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Internal Strife at SOS - Part I

by Next Move Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 12:52 PM

While Save Our State and the Minutemen have seemingly been enjoying an upswing in momentum lately certain factors have become apparent that may point to a change. Following the July 8th police beatings of anti-Minutemen protestors and the subsequent giddy elation displayed by the Minutemen and SOS in the face of such violence, certain factors have come into play which highlight the authoritarian nature of Save Our State and the fact that some of the rank-and-file may get burned by the leadership very soon.

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SLOPPY TACTICS

Top Save Our State organizers have been sloppy of late, revealing the full names of SOS members including a recent e-mail from Don Silva that revealed SOS member Jalira’s real name and e-mail address ("Heather Evans" jalira666@comcast.net>) to be Heather Evans. The timing is interesting given Heather’s involvement lately in the anti-worker, anti-day laborer actions in Redondo Beach.

Evans, 26, (http://www.myspace.com/jalira) along with others have been the instigators of the anti-migrant action scheduled for Saturday, August 5th and now Silva, 46, Panorama City, has taken it over and claimed the action for Save Our State.

Could Silva’s brotherly actions in regards to Evans actually reveal something about the true motives of “The Preacher”, something other than brotherly care, something more “biblical”? Is there more than meets the eye with these two? Save Our State has already cost at least one top general his marriage, now another?

There have also been e-mails of late sent directly from SOS that revealed hundreds of names and e-mail addresses in the public portion of the e-mail. One has to wonder if a top-down organization with sloppy top-down tactics like that isn’t asking for trouble from the rank-and-file. As of right now it is not necessary to reveal any of the names, e-mail addresses or phone numbers obtained as it could potentially jeopardize our mole. Suffice it to say that there is no reason that this story will jeopardize the mole.

In other developments, Joe Turner, leader of SOS, who earned a reputation as a bit of an authoritarian dictator for the tactics he’s used to hold together the message board and to keep the group focused in his direction, has been “out-authoritarianed” by fireball Chelene Nightengale. Chelene posts on the SOS message board under the name “Patriotic Dream”. She is the KABC to Joe’s KFI. More vitriolic, more hate-filled and more belligerent, less sane and more prone to rants, whereas Joe Turner always remains calculated, a future in electoral politics always around the corner, Nightengale has been heard screaming, “I want to die in America!”



INFIGHTING REACHES A PEAK ON TUESDAY

A spontaneous blowup took place on the SOS message board on Tuesday when members began kicking around the idea of having a march (or counter-march) on September 4th (Labor Day), in response to a pro-migrant march being planned for the same day.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14741

Tempers immediately flared as some SOS members apparently resentful of the recent attention given to Chelene Nightengale or maybe the fact that the SOS leadership has been calling their people out to events on a near weekly basis.

An SOS veteran named "LambsMarch", who is also a veteran of the Campo Border Watches, initially reacted belligerently, "We don't need countermarches this time, it's a stupid waste of resources."

Chelene responded, "Ted [Hayes] and I are not planning anymore stupid marches, so you can relax with your criticism."

LambsMarch retorted, "You IDIOT, how can you save a nation when you don't have reading comprehension! I've been part of some of those activities that YOU called stupid (but I didn't call them that)."

Board Moderator Drumsme7 was first on the scene, "What in hell is wrong with some people? Lamb, you call PD [Patriotic Dream] an "idiot"?"

Chelene replied, "Sorry, respect is something earned and you just lost mine by calling me an idiot and disrespecting my work. You sound more like the enemy than a fellow patriot. A fellow patriot would have pm'd [private messaged] me to call me an idiot, not call me an idiot for every SOS member and goon to read! I would say that you have a real personal problem with me and you should have addressed that privately."

LambsMarch went on, revealing a emerging sore spot among SOS rank-and-file, "Well, I guess I'm not in the 'in' crowd or today's 'clique' so I'm the only one that has to hold to a standard, no one else does?"

Disciplined authoritarian Joe Turner arrived, "I am dropping the hammer. I am sick and tired of this shit between our own people. LambsMarch...you get a timeout."

Apparently, the simple act of disagreeing on tactics is enough to get rank-and-file members suspended as a punishment for questioning the ideas of the elite members of SOS.

Don Silva weighed in, again coming down hard against the rank-and-file, “if you differ…with the SaveOurState core beliefs about activism, how it should be done, and if it is fact doing anything, I think it would be better not to mention it, as you are not going to convince us”

Out-of-town SOS member AyatollaGondola added his two-cents with this: Wouldn't this be a great opportunity for a second amendment march with unloaded weapons? something along those lines... The Academia de Semillas' or any other places we'd like to leave our mark on?”

More to come.

Check back for part 2 of “Internal Strife at SOS?” later.

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American Patriot 77, SZ in West LA, Jalira

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reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:26 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:27 PM
mole Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:05 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:06 PM
Cliff Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:34 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:06 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:09 PM
Hold on... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:10 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:13 PM
OCC... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:13 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:15 PM
Dude... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:19 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:21 PM
If the price is right... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:23 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:29 PM
Believe it... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:29 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Okay... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:36 PM
Cliff Christie Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:41 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:47 PM
if u want to talk Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 8:14 AM
Heather Evans V Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 8:52 AM
Joe Turner Endorses Arnold bet Arnie's excited Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 8:56 AM
too bad Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 9:06 AM
reply Jammer CC Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 9:57 AM
lake forest Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 10:06 AM
reply Jammer CC Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 10:10 AM
descriptions Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 10:43 AM
I AM " THE MOLE" Mole- licious Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 12:18 PM
mole Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Heather Evans THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:11 PM
Totally! KR Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:31 PM
Yes, he's a traitor THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:38 PM
Wow! KR Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:40 PM
Do You? THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:48 PM
Shady financial as well? Fredric L. Rice Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:56 PM
Gee... KR Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:06 PM
A sad traitor thinking out loud Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:09 PM
It's called "literacy" THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:12 PM
Then read a "history book" THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:22 PM
Mole V Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:25 PM
Joe Turner is in the "dog house" THE MOLE Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 2:29 PM
race Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 3:58 PM
reporters Jalira Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 4:19 PM
KR has evidentally had some "issues" Quips Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 4:24 PM
It's OK KR, you don't have to pretend w/ us We won't judge you Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 4:49 PM
Gerry Nance aka Border Raven 1st hand source Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 6:20 PM
That would be me Fredric L. Rice Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 4:57 AM
Actually yes, it does Fredric L. Rice Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 5:01 AM
re: A sad traitor jk Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 10:40 AM
Silva arrested Pete Nice Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 5:26 PM
Righty whitey Donnie's friend Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 7:34 PM
don the donkey silva away V Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 4:50 AM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 5:08 AM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 5:10 AM
re: Gerry Nance (Border Raven) 2nd Hand Source Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Mexican is indeed a race Mexica Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:31 PM
re: Jammer Mexica Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:43 PM
So... KR Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:56 PM
No.... Mexica Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 3:06 PM
Well... KR Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 3:41 PM
what? Jalira Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 5:33 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 6:03 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 6:11 PM
Sorry, but... KR Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 6:18 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 6:40 PM
Well... KR Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 6:57 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 7:02 PM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2006 at 6:46 PM
Charlemagne Ricardo Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006 at 3:01 PM
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Hypocrites Internet Wednesday, Aug. 23, 2006 at 6:31 PM
redondo beach crew? mike Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2006 at 2:27 PM
RedondoMike = Nazi/SOS member Mike Almeida BaBaBooey! Thursday, Aug. 31, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Not bad...not bad... LambsMarch Friday, Oct. 06, 2006 at 5:04 AM
Chelene is on the outs DarrylRevoke Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:11 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:02 PM
actually it may be Sandinator, not Chelene DarrylRevok Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:41 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:49 PM
dear mole... mike Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:57 PM
FYI mike Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:59 PM
AP77 solicits dirt on Sandinator DarrylRevok Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I think AP77 is on to us... DarrylRevok Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2007 at 10:13 PM
relpy Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Just an Aside johnk Wednesday, Jan. 31, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Bill Tibbe, are you out there? jar jar binks Tuesday, Feb. 06, 2007 at 10:53 PM
new video exposing SOS YTC Friday, Jun. 08, 2007 at 5:57 AM
reply Jammer CC Friday, Jun. 08, 2007 at 7:26 PM
reply Jammer CC Friday, Jun. 08, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Don Silva sinks the ship John Monday, Oct. 29, 2007 at 6:58 PM
What can we do to help them along? Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Oct. 31, 2007 at 5:21 AM
Dennis Slater AKA American Patriot77 want to file suit against home depot canoga park MANCHESTER UNITED Monday, Nov. 05, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Karma Karma Tuesday, Nov. 06, 2007 at 4:05 PM
i told you Next Move Wednesday, Nov. 07, 2007 at 8:54 AM
speaking of pro-confederate slavers, they'll be at the Burbank HD 12/1/07 MANCHESTER UNITED Sunday, Nov. 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM
"3ironhead3" of the Nazis/SOS arrested??? ?????????????? Friday, Feb. 08, 2008 at 4:06 PM
update on Joe Turner justthefacts Friday, Feb. 08, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Joes a freak one who knows Friday, Feb. 08, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Randy Dees aka 3ironhead3 being held at ???????????????????? Saturday, Feb. 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM
about the flag Lambsmarch Monday, Mar. 03, 2008 at 5:16 AM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Mar. 03, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Agreed LambsMarch Saturday, Mar. 08, 2008 at 8:02 AM
"Chelenite" faction causing more strife! LOL Horsey-Faced Chelene Saturday, Jun. 14, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Shriek-lene as she is also know reporter Wednesday, Jun. 18, 2008 at 2:55 AM
the dollar is not illegal repost Saturday, Jun. 21, 2008 at 12:26 PM
update: nazi lovebirds find nest at Stormfront.org Alexander Nevsky Thursday, Oct. 02, 2008 at 1:48 PM
update on "PochoPatriot67" Alexander Nevsky Sunday, Nov. 02, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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About those leaving LambsMarch Thursday, Mar. 05, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Horsey-faced Governor Horsey-faced Chelene Friday, Jul. 10, 2009 at 9:46 AM
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update: "AyatollahGondola" banned from SoS Chelene=Horse Saturday, Jul. 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM
SoS is dead !!! Alexander Nevsky Monday, Nov. 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM
update: Don Silva surfaces at the Texas Minutemen updater Tuesday, Feb. 02, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Next Nazi Demo Next Nazi Demo Thursday, Feb. 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Four Years!! And Visit With Shawna LambsMarch Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 10:01 AM
The thread that won't die mous Tuesday, Jun. 01, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Jalira=Nazi Jalira=Nazi Tuesday, Jun. 08, 2010 at 3:32 PM
no more "NoMoreInvasion.com" Alexander Nevsky Tuesday, Jun. 15, 2010 at 4:50 PM
"derail Amnesty" derailed Alexander Nevsky Saturday, Aug. 07, 2010 at 1:13 PM
Meet Joe Turner (article) Meet Joe Turner Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2010 at 4:03 PM
SOS not DEAD AyatollahGondola Friday, Jun. 10, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Bikini Boy is gonna get ya !!! WatchOut Davi Anthony Rodrigues Monday, Jun. 13, 2011 at 12:58 PM
WatchOut For WatchOut AyatollahGondola Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2011 at 6:48 PM
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" Fake I.C.E. agent" pix ? Hey Jammer ... Friday, Jun. 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM
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yup, it's him U.R. Busted, nazi agent Saturday, Jun. 18, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Wow, it's just like being back in 2005 johnk Saturday, Jun. 18, 2011 at 8:54 PM
Vigilia aeterna est pretium libertatis. Hey John K Wednesday, Jun. 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM
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AmericanPatriot77 Tuco Saturday, Nov. 05, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Five Years and still going LambsMarch Thursday, Nov. 15, 2012 at 3:36 AM

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