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Internal Strife at SOS - Part I
by Next Move Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 3:52 PM

While Save Our State and the Minutemen have seemingly been enjoying an upswing in momentum lately certain factors have become apparent that may point to a change. Following the July 8th police beatings of anti-Minutemen protestors and the subsequent giddy elation displayed by the Minutemen and SOS in the face of such violence, certain factors have come into play which highlight the authoritarian nature of Save Our State and the fact that some of the rank-and-file may get burned by the leadership very soon.

Internal Strife at S...
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SLOPPY TACTICS

Top Save Our State organizers have been sloppy of late, revealing the full names of SOS members including a recent e-mail from Don Silva that revealed SOS member Jalira’s real name and e-mail address ("Heather Evans" <jalira666@comcast.net>) to be Heather Evans. The timing is interesting given Heather’s involvement lately in the anti-worker, anti-day laborer actions in Redondo Beach.

Evans, 26, (http://www.myspace.com/jalira) along with others have been the instigators of the anti-migrant action scheduled for Saturday, August 5th and now Silva, 46, Panorama City, has taken it over and claimed the action for Save Our State.

Could Silva’s brotherly actions in regards to Evans actually reveal something about the true motives of “The Preacher”, something other than brotherly care, something more “biblical”? Is there more than meets the eye with these two? Save Our State has already cost at least one top general his marriage, now another?

There have also been e-mails of late sent directly from SOS that revealed hundreds of names and e-mail addresses in the public portion of the e-mail. One has to wonder if a top-down organization with sloppy top-down tactics like that isn’t asking for trouble from the rank-and-file. As of right now it is not necessary to reveal any of the names, e-mail addresses or phone numbers obtained as it could potentially jeopardize our mole. Suffice it to say that there is no reason that this story will jeopardize the mole.

In other developments, Joe Turner, leader of SOS, who earned a reputation as a bit of an authoritarian dictator for the tactics he’s used to hold together the message board and to keep the group focused in his direction, has been “out-authoritarianed” by fireball Chelene Nightengale. Chelene posts on the SOS message board under the name “Patriotic Dream”. She is the KABC to Joe’s KFI. More vitriolic, more hate-filled and more belligerent, less sane and more prone to rants, whereas Joe Turner always remains calculated, a future in electoral politics always around the corner, Nightengale has been heard screaming, “I want to die in America!”


INFIGHTING REACHES A PEAK ON TUESDAY

A spontaneous blowup took place on the SOS message board on Tuesday when members began kicking around the idea of having a march (or counter-march) on September 4th (Labor Day), in response to a pro-migrant march being planned for the same day.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14741

Tempers immediately flared as some SOS members apparently resentful of the recent attention given to Chelene Nightengale or maybe the fact that the SOS leadership has been calling their people out to events on a near weekly basis.

An SOS veteran named "LambsMarch", who is also a veteran of the Campo Border Watches, initially reacted belligerently, "We don't need countermarches this time, it's a stupid waste of resources."

Chelene responded, "Ted [Hayes] and I are not planning anymore stupid marches, so you can relax with your criticism."

LambsMarch retorted, "You IDIOT, how can you save a nation when you don't have reading comprehension! I've been part of some of those activities that YOU called stupid (but I didn't call them that)."

Board Moderator Drumsme7 was first on the scene, "What in hell is wrong with some people? Lamb, you call PD [Patriotic Dream] an "idiot"?"

Chelene replied, "Sorry, respect is something earned and you just lost mine by calling me an idiot and disrespecting my work. You sound more like the enemy than a fellow patriot. A fellow patriot would have pm'd [private messaged] me to call me an idiot, not call me an idiot for every SOS member and goon to read! I would say that you have a real personal problem with me and you should have addressed that privately."

LambsMarch went on, revealing a emerging sore spot among SOS rank-and-file, "Well, I guess I'm not in the 'in' crowd or today's 'clique' so I'm the only one that has to hold to a standard, no one else does?"

Disciplined authoritarian Joe Turner arrived, "I am dropping the hammer. I am sick and tired of this shit between our own people. LambsMarch...you get a timeout."

Apparently, the simple act of disagreeing on tactics is enough to get rank-and-file members suspended as a punishment for questioning the ideas of the elite members of SOS.

Don Silva weighed in, again coming down hard against the rank-and-file, “if you differ…with the SaveOurState core beliefs about activism, how it should be done, and if it is fact doing anything, I think it would be better not to mention it, as you are not going to convince us”

Out-of-town SOS member AyatollaGondola added his two-cents with this: Wouldn't this be a great opportunity for a second amendment march with unloaded weapons? something along those lines... The Academia de Semillas' or any other places we'd like to leave our mark on?”

More to come.

Check back for part 2 of “Internal Strife at SOS?” later.
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Redondo Beach Crew
by Next Move Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 3:52 PM

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American Patriot 77, SZ in West LA, Jalira
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Turner and Nightengale
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reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 6:26 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 6:27 PM
mole Jalira Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 7:05 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 7:06 PM
Cliff Jalira Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 7:34 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:06 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:09 PM
Hold on... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:10 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:13 PM
OCC... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:13 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:15 PM
Dude... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:19 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:21 PM
If the price is right... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:23 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:29 PM
Believe it... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:29 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:35 PM
Okay... KR Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:36 PM
Cliff Christie Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:41 PM
reply Jammer CC Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 8:47 PM
if u want to talk Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 11:14 AM
Heather Evans V Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 11:52 AM
Joe Turner Endorses Arnold bet Arnie's excited Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 11:56 AM
too bad Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 12:06 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 12:57 PM
lake forest Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 1:06 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 1:10 PM
descriptions Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 1:43 PM
I AM " THE MOLE" Mole- licious Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:18 PM
mole Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:34 PM
Heather Evans THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:11 PM
Totally! KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:31 PM
Yes, he's a traitor THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:38 PM
Wow! KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:40 PM
Do You? THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:48 PM
Shady financial as well? Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 4:56 PM
Gee... KR Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:06 PM
A sad traitor thinking out loud Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:09 PM
It's called "literacy" THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:12 PM
Then read a "history book" THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:22 PM
Mole V Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:25 PM
Joe Turner is in the "dog house" THE MOLE Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 5:29 PM
race Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 6:58 PM
reporters Jalira Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 7:19 PM
KR has evidentally had some "issues" Quips Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 7:24 PM
It's OK KR, you don't have to pretend w/ us We won't judge you Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 7:49 PM
Gerry Nance aka Border Raven 1st hand source Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 9:20 PM
That would be me Fredric L. Rice Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 7:57 AM
Actually yes, it does Fredric L. Rice Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 8:01 AM
re: A sad traitor jk Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 1:40 PM
Silva arrested Pete Nice Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 8:26 PM
Righty whitey Donnie's friend Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 10:34 PM
don the donkey silva away V Monday, Aug. 07, 2006 at 7:50 AM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 07, 2006 at 8:08 AM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 07, 2006 at 8:10 AM
re: Gerry Nance (Border Raven) 2nd Hand Source Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 5:24 PM
Mexican is indeed a race Mexica Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 5:31 PM
re: Jammer Mexica Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 5:43 PM
So... KR Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 5:56 PM
No.... Mexica Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 6:06 PM
Well... KR Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 6:41 PM
what? Jalira Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 8:33 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 9:03 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 9:11 PM
Sorry, but... KR Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 9:18 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 9:40 PM
Well... KR Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 9:57 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 10:02 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 9:46 PM
Charlemagne Ricardo Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2006 at 6:01 PM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2006 at 7:04 PM
Hypocrites Internet Tuesday, Aug. 22, 2006 at 9:31 PM
redondo beach crew? mike Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2006 at 5:27 PM
RedondoMike = Nazi/SOS member Mike Almeida BaBaBooey! Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2006 at 2:39 PM
Not bad...not bad... LambsMarch Thursday, Oct. 05, 2006 at 8:04 AM
Chelene is on the outs DarrylRevoke Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007 at 11:11 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:02 PM
actually it may be Sandinator, not Chelene DarrylRevok Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:41 PM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:49 PM
dear mole... mike Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:57 PM
FYI mike Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 at 11:59 PM
AP77 solicits dirt on Sandinator DarrylRevok Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I think AP77 is on to us... DarrylRevok Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 10:13 PM
relpy Jammer CC Monday, Jan. 29, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Just an Aside johnk Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Bill Tibbe, are you out there? jar jar binks Monday, Feb. 05, 2007 at 10:53 PM
new video exposing SOS YTC Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 8:57 AM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 10:26 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Don Silva sinks the ship John Sunday, Oct. 28, 2007 at 9:58 PM
What can we do to help them along? Fredric L. Rice Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2007 at 8:21 AM
Dennis Slater AKA American Patriot77 want to file suit against home depot canoga park MANCHESTER UNITED Sunday, Nov. 04, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Karma Karma Monday, Nov. 05, 2007 at 4:05 PM
i told you Next Move Tuesday, Nov. 06, 2007 at 8:54 AM
speaking of pro-confederate slavers, they'll be at the Burbank HD 12/1/07 MANCHESTER UNITED Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007 at 1:55 PM
"3ironhead3" of the Nazis/SOS arrested??? ?????????????? Thursday, Feb. 07, 2008 at 4:06 PM
update on Joe Turner justthefacts Thursday, Feb. 07, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Joes a freak one who knows Thursday, Feb. 07, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Randy Dees aka 3ironhead3 being held at ???????????????????? Friday, Feb. 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM
about the flag Lambsmarch Sunday, Mar. 02, 2008 at 5:16 AM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Mar. 02, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Agreed LambsMarch Friday, Mar. 07, 2008 at 8:02 AM
"Chelenite" faction causing more strife! LOL Horsey-Faced Chelene Friday, Jun. 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Shriek-lene as she is also know reporter Tuesday, Jun. 17, 2008 at 5:55 AM
the dollar is not illegal repost Friday, Jun. 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM
update: nazi lovebirds find nest at Stormfront.org Alexander Nevsky Wednesday, Oct. 01, 2008 at 4:48 PM
update on "PochoPatriot67" Alexander Nevsky Saturday, Nov. 01, 2008 at 2:44 PM
reply Jammer CC Saturday, Nov. 01, 2008 at 3:18 PM
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About those leaving LambsMarch Wednesday, Mar. 04, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Horsey-faced Governor Horsey-faced Chelene Thursday, Jul. 09, 2009 at 12:46 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Jul. 09, 2009 at 12:58 PM
reply Jammer CC Thursday, Jul. 09, 2009 at 1:05 PM
update: "AyatollahGondola" banned from SoS Chelene=Horse Friday, Jul. 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM
SoS is dead !!! Alexander Nevsky Sunday, Nov. 22, 2009 at 2:09 PM

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