Internal Strife at SOS - Part I

by Next Move Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 12:52 PM

While Save Our State and the Minutemen have seemingly been enjoying an upswing in momentum lately certain factors have become apparent that may point to a change. Following the July 8th police beatings of anti-Minutemen protestors and the subsequent giddy elation displayed by the Minutemen and SOS in the face of such violence, certain factors have come into play which highlight the authoritarian nature of Save Our State and the fact that some of the rank-and-file may get burned by the leadership very soon.

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SLOPPY TACTICS

Top Save Our State organizers have been sloppy of late, revealing the full names of SOS members including a recent e-mail from Don Silva that revealed SOS member Jalira’s real name and e-mail address ("Heather Evans" <jalira666@comcast.net>) to be Heather Evans. The timing is interesting given Heather’s involvement lately in the anti-worker, anti-day laborer actions in Redondo Beach.

Evans, 26, (http://www.myspace.com/jalira) along with others have been the instigators of the anti-migrant action scheduled for Saturday, August 5th and now Silva, 46, Panorama City, has taken it over and claimed the action for Save Our State.

Could Silva’s brotherly actions in regards to Evans actually reveal something about the true motives of “The Preacher”, something other than brotherly care, something more “biblical”? Is there more than meets the eye with these two? Save Our State has already cost at least one top general his marriage, now another?

There have also been e-mails of late sent directly from SOS that revealed hundreds of names and e-mail addresses in the public portion of the e-mail. One has to wonder if a top-down organization with sloppy top-down tactics like that isn’t asking for trouble from the rank-and-file. As of right now it is not necessary to reveal any of the names, e-mail addresses or phone numbers obtained as it could potentially jeopardize our mole. Suffice it to say that there is no reason that this story will jeopardize the mole.

In other developments, Joe Turner, leader of SOS, who earned a reputation as a bit of an authoritarian dictator for the tactics he’s used to hold together the message board and to keep the group focused in his direction, has been “out-authoritarianed” by fireball Chelene Nightengale. Chelene posts on the SOS message board under the name “Patriotic Dream”. She is the KABC to Joe’s KFI. More vitriolic, more hate-filled and more belligerent, less sane and more prone to rants, whereas Joe Turner always remains calculated, a future in electoral politics always around the corner, Nightengale has been heard screaming, “I want to die in America!”


INFIGHTING REACHES A PEAK ON TUESDAY

A spontaneous blowup took place on the SOS message board on Tuesday when members began kicking around the idea of having a march (or counter-march) on September 4th (Labor Day), in response to a pro-migrant march being planned for the same day.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14741

Tempers immediately flared as some SOS members apparently resentful of the recent attention given to Chelene Nightengale or maybe the fact that the SOS leadership has been calling their people out to events on a near weekly basis.

An SOS veteran named "LambsMarch", who is also a veteran of the Campo Border Watches, initially reacted belligerently, "We don't need countermarches this time, it's a stupid waste of resources."

Chelene responded, "Ted [Hayes] and I are not planning anymore stupid marches, so you can relax with your criticism."

LambsMarch retorted, "You IDIOT, how can you save a nation when you don't have reading comprehension! I've been part of some of those activities that YOU called stupid (but I didn't call them that)."

Board Moderator Drumsme7 was first on the scene, "What in hell is wrong with some people? Lamb, you call PD [Patriotic Dream] an "idiot"?"

Chelene replied, "Sorry, respect is something earned and you just lost mine by calling me an idiot and disrespecting my work. You sound more like the enemy than a fellow patriot. A fellow patriot would have pm'd [private messaged] me to call me an idiot, not call me an idiot for every SOS member and goon to read! I would say that you have a real personal problem with me and you should have addressed that privately."

LambsMarch went on, revealing a emerging sore spot among SOS rank-and-file, "Well, I guess I'm not in the 'in' crowd or today's 'clique' so I'm the only one that has to hold to a standard, no one else does?"

Disciplined authoritarian Joe Turner arrived, "I am dropping the hammer. I am sick and tired of this shit between our own people. LambsMarch...you get a timeout."

Apparently, the simple act of disagreeing on tactics is enough to get rank-and-file members suspended as a punishment for questioning the ideas of the elite members of SOS.

Don Silva weighed in, again coming down hard against the rank-and-file, “if you differ…with the SaveOurState core beliefs about activism, how it should be done, and if it is fact doing anything, I think it would be better not to mention it, as you are not going to convince us”

Out-of-town SOS member AyatollaGondola added his two-cents with this: Wouldn't this be a great opportunity for a second amendment march with unloaded weapons? something along those lines... The Academia de Semillas' or any other places we'd like to leave our mark on?”

More to come.

Check back for part 2 of “Internal Strife at SOS?” later.