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Occupiers, Stop Using Consensus!

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Consensus process (the idea that a group must strictly adhere to a protocol where all decisions are unanimous) is the absolute worst idea that has ever been introduced to the activist community.

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Consensus process is the tyranny of the individual. It is the most anti-social of all processes because it allows any one person to assert irrational authority over an entire group of people and block any sort of decision making. It has nothing do with anarchism (even the IWW doesn't use consensus!) because it was invented by Quakers for religious reasons. It's stood in the way of progress, destroyed social movements, destroyed groups, destroyed communities, and relegated radicals to the fringes of American politics since the 70's when it was first popularized.

Consensus process is in many ways an attempt to formalize the act of resistance, which I suspect is what makes it so popular in activist communities. Let's compare this to democracy, a system which was invented to formalize dissent. With democracy, you could fight and disagree without resorting to violence. Feathers could be ruffled, progress could be made, and life moved on according to plan. Resistance on the other hand is when you're so angry at something, that you're willing to go on a crusade and use all available means to stop that thing from happening. Resistance knows no rules. It is something that should never happen, yet is the responsibility of any socially conscious individual. It's a wild beast which cannot be tamed. Now ask yourself what happens when you get a bunch of people in one room, people whose nature inclines them towards resistance, and then give them the power to resist with a simple hand gesture and a requirement that all others be subservient to their demand. You do the math.

To give an example, the first time I saw a block used at Occupy was at one of the first general assemblies in August 2011. There were about a hundred people that day and in the middle of the meeting a proposal was made to join Verizon workers on the picket line as a gesture of solidarity in the hope that they might also support us in return. People loved the idea and there was quite a bit of positive energy until one woman in the crowd, busy tweeting on her phone, casually raised her hand and said, "I block that". The moderator, quite flabbergasted asked why she blocked and she explained that showing solidarity with workers would alienate the phantasm of our right-wing supporters. Discussion then abruptly ended and the meeting went on. The truth was irrelevant, popular opinion didn't matter, and solidarity—the most important of all leftist values—was thrown to the wind based on the whims of just one individual. Occupy had to find a new way to do outreach.

But as bad as that sounded, it was actually one of the most graceful instances I've seen of a block being used. This is because the proposal was actually dropped as though it never happened. Things don't always go so smoothly. Blocks have a tendency to bring out the worst in people. The thing they don't tell you about consensus, is that it only works if you're willing to exclude others from it. When faced with a block, it's common for people to use psychological manipulation, threats, invent process to deny that person a vote, or even pressure them to leave the group entirely. Oftentimes when such people don't get their way, they'll leave the group themselves. Consensus invites the most awful type of conflict because there can be no agreeing to disagree. But at the same time consensus also quells the more constructive forms of dissent because most considerate and rational people aren't masochistic enough to welcome the hatred and backlash inherent in blocking a proposal.

Consensus process can also be hacked. This is because it leaves too much to interpretation, doesn't actually specify procedure, and doesn't make sense! Take for instance kicking someone out of your group. Do you need consensus to kick them out? Or do you need consensus to keep them on board? Oftentimes such things aren't clear, so the system becomes ripe for manipulation and exploitation. If you ever want to be evil and push a proposal through a consensus body, just make a compelling argument that you need consensus to not pass your proposal (rather than the other way around). If that doesn't work, try writing your proposal with the opposite language and blocking it yourself. If people call you out on your shenanigans, just accuse them of being authoritarians who refuse to follow process and demand that they either step down or reach consensus on creating a rule to forbid what you’re doing. Then block that proposal too. If they tell you that you’re not allowed to block then you can always complain that true consensus cannot be reached until there’s a quorum of every single group member present.

Grassroots activist groups also follow the spirit of consensus regardless of what process they use. This is because participation in occupy assemblies, working groups, and affinity groups is entirely voluntary. Generally speaking, these groups do not control any land or resources upon which their members depend, therefore making it nearly impossible to practice any real coercion. When freedom of association exists in the truest sense of the words, the act of participation in and of itself can be considered itself a form of a consent, even if decision-making power rests in the hands of the majority or an individual leader.

Consensus should be reserved to teams (small groups where people work well together and trust one another) as de facto rather than official process. Many of us operate by implicit consensus without even realizing it. It’s a natural human behavior to not want to piss off and ignore other members of your team. But when the occasional irresolvable conflict arises, a majority vote isn’t the end of the world. It’s called democracy. If those conflicts happen too often, then perhaps it’s time to reconsider why you’re working with such people.

When it comes to deliberative process for larger groups that can’t be considered teams, start off with what's been known to work and has stood the test of time, like Robert's Rules of Order. It’s not the ideal system to prevent all forms of hierarchy, but it’s at least been proven to work in organizing democratic assemblies that are capable of functioning. Why must we reinvent the wheel? The only clear explanation is that it’s fun to fetishize process rather than accomplishing work. There are actually people who've devoted much of their careers as activists to unnecessarily reinventing process, and for years they've been using entire activist communities as guinea pigs in their experiments. Why must we allow ourselves to be pawns in someone else's game? Our goal should be fighting power and injustice, and we should settle for no less than the best tools for the job.

But we also shouldn't have to follow Robert's Rules by the book all the time. Oftentimes people will forgo formal process entirely until it's needed. It's also perfectly reasonable to borrow good ideas from other processes. One such example is the "progressive stack" which Occupy has used from its very first general assembly meeting. This means when you have a meeting and ten people want to speak at once, one person will be assigned to "take stack" by writing down the names of whoever has their hand raised. The person taking stack will then prioritize speaking order in favor of people belonging to groups whose voices have traditionally been marginalized. Examples of such groups include women, people of color, and the lgbtq community. This is great news if you're a queer trans woman of color, but not such great news for straight white middle class cis men whose voices have far too often dominated discussion. Another great tool for facilitating collective thought is the temperature check, where everyone in the room twinkles their fingers to express how favorably they feel about the topic of deliberation. But in reality, that’s just a more fabulous variation of Robert’s Rules where the chair will try to gauge support for a proposal during deliberation by asking everyone in the room to say aye / nay or give a show of hands.

The only significant experimentation we should be doing with process at this time is trying to find ways to use modern technology to make democracy more democratic. For the first time in the history of civilization, we are able to scale up conversations to span the entire globe. A deliberative assembly no longer must be limited to the number of people capable of fitting in a single room. Why are we not taking advantage of this? Several attempts have been made to develop such systems, but most of the existing solutions are either shoddy, hard to use, or focus on anonymous voting rather than deliberation. These systems also do not make an effort to define the procedural conventions to govern the aspects of software use which cannot be digitized. Engineers, please start teaming up with process experts to accomplish this.

To learn more about the follies of consensus, read the essays

"Blocking Progress" by Howard Ryan

and "Fetishizing Process" by Mark Lance.


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remember IMC's charter

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM

I've been saying for years that the consensus process was bunk, that it's intentionally designed to maintain the status quo, and sabotage real activism.

As soon as I saw the occupy tactic infested with it, I knew it would lead them nowhere. This happened only a few weeks into the first encampments.

Thats how long it takes to get operatives embedded to rot the effort from the inside. Recently released FOIA documents bear this out - the occupy tactic was infiltrated almost a month before the first encampment by spooks, agents, moles and spies.

I only bothered to post this here as a "I told you so" confirmation. This will probably be censored too after a few days. The foundation funded puedo-activists consider real info and actions a threat to their monopoly. Look what happened with rove..

Since the above is directly from occupy wall street, now you know where IMC stands in contrast to occupy.

Occupy happened because of years of puedo-activists not getting things done, and involves the working class, the poor and the homeless standing up for themselves. The occupy tactic was infiltrated by the same puedo-activists to neutralize it.

But the driving force behind occupy, are the working class, the poor and the homeless, whos numbers continue to grow. The occupy tactic hasn't went away, it's only been submerged beneath puedo-activists and their foundation funded gatekeeping operations.

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you should really know about that, hex

by 'told you so' Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

you could also tell us all about the tactics of gatekeeping as in denial of global 'depleted' uranium contamination and HAARP weather warfare, ya freaking spook.
Blow it out your ass.
Trying to get some street credit by your punditations?

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off topic, attack the messenger

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM

uranium from coal power plants

Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste: Scientific American

Coal-Fired Power Plant Emissions | RadTown USA | US EPA

Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste | Preda

At issue is coal's content of uranium and thorium, both radioactive

Radon-222 Content of Natural Gas Samples

Radon Exposures from the Use of Natural Gas in Buildings

Radon in Natural Gas from Marcellus Shale

Radon in Unconventional Natural Gas from Gulf Coast

I actually measure radiation, and the only radiation I see is from coal and gas.

Present your documentation or measurements that show DU from the middle east here in the U.S.

back to topic

all cred goes to

I don't make the news I only air it.

what do you do?

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it's on topic, asshole

by excuuussse me! Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

you were talking gate keepers, dickweed. You are a prime example. You and your lickspittle assistant, johnk. You know, the mole which has given you such a comfortable billboard here. And disabled the report system.
Like you posted how DU is like lead in a battery? What a duplicitous asshole.

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I insult

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I insult...
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been having a rough time?

PS nice links

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without its stupid graphics it's merely another moron

by why not? Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

It's not just me, everyone laughs at you.
While holding their nose from your sick stench. No matter which alter ego you use. Go play with yourself somewhere else where your other zionist assholes gather, hex. You7 make me wanna puke.

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Go play with yourself

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Go play with yoursel...
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america's future is in my hands

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Who has the last laugh

by ccrider Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 6:10 AM

Well let's see, the tea party got some of their members elected to national office, Now tell me, how many did occupy get elected? Fools.

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not so much a gatekeeper than a clown

by realist Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 6:12 AM

yes we can all see what this spook is so good at.
being one of those that poison the discussion about even its own topic. Being a gatekeeper for the mentally crippled.
Another prime example of the topic it brought up in its own thread. Where it chooses to lecture the reader upon.
Notice that all the other spam has ceased to appear...
Coincidence? I think not.

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the teabaggers are dying

by crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 8:35 AM

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Here's a screenshot of the archived U.S. Tea Party site, as it appeared online on Sept. 13, 2002.

the republican party is attempting to dis-associate themselves from them IE; rove's new PAC

the teabaggers are a tiny minority 3 - 8 % depending on who you believe, and shrinking more every year, as they die off.

and this is despite heavy media exposure, and hundreds of millions pumped into it by billionaires.

on top of that, the koch brothers attempted to start the 'grass roots' (astroturf) teabaggers over 10 years ago, new evidence shows -

Study: Kochs Tried To Start 'Grassroots' Tea Party In 2002

Send this one to your teabagger relatives and watch their heads explode:

Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaires

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry's role in driving climate disruption.

The common public understanding of the origins of the Tea Party is that it is a popular grassroots uprising that began with anti-tax protests in 2009.However, the Quarterback study reveals that in 2002, the Kochs and tobacco-backed CSE designed and made public the first Tea Party Movement website under the web address

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spook zionist freaking spook

by crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

spook  zionist  frea...
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projection is such an ugly thing

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notice anything?

by one trick dickweed Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM

It can't refute its own psychosis but it sure can post moronic graphics!
Projection indeed. BTW, the NRA actually helped bring in the 1968 gun control act. The NRA does not represent the 2nd Amendment.

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by crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 9:47 AM

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In order to gain the political power they've enjoyed for decades, Republican moderates and fiscal conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots, racists, sexists = teabaggers) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional, malleable and misanthropic voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally HONEST.

Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with/casting out the demons they empowered and the karmic reality that they don't have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without accepting and "advocating" the immoral bigotries, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.

The survival of today's disparate Republican Party is so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America's increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.

The idiom "caught between the devil and the deep blue sea" is appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.

Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and the malicious dissonance of teabaggers, birthers and deathers exacerbated by the incendiary exhortations of mercenary egomaniacs like Limbaugh and Hannity are costing them their viability.

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so much alike

by a one trick dick Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 4:12 PM

while 'hex' the unstable_tinker espouses about infiltration [ something it knows all too much about ] it just can't hide its own role in doing the precise thing it pretends to 'expose'.
We can see that it merely wants to open a window to its fellow spooks who now have a platform to pontificate their own twisted ideologies. Amid the stupid graphics and needless spacing we have come to know so well.

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nice links and data

by crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013 at 7:22 PM

nice links and data...
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weekly fukushima update, for.

february seventeenth, 2013

Radiation levels, over the past week, have averaged, around 120 counts per minute, which is about, 10 times, normal background level.

no alpha emissions, have been detected, in rain samples.


70,000 U S Service Personnel, Exposed To Radiation.

They’ve got leukemia, they have growths, they’re undergoing surgery to remove lesions in their brains,
a couple of them have had them, and have lost the sight in their eye.

Some of the exposed U S Navy sailors, are bleeding from their asses, and some have sores, all over their bodies.

One guy, has testicular cancer, he was aboard the Reagan, he’s 21, he had one of his testicles removed already.

and, in other news.

Global wind generation, as of 20 12, is 282 Gigawatts.

and, global solar generation, is over 100 Gigawatts.

Heads up, people.

The corporate media, is not your friend.

It is not America's friend.

It is not Democracy's friend.

The corporate media, has a single bottom line, insatiable greed.

The corporate media's friends are, only, bankster crooks, war profiteers, and billionaires.

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the sane ones pushing a carbon tax

by yup Monday, Feb. 18, 2013 at 6:18 AM

they certainly aren't friends to the common people,

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I agree, the carbon tax is a scam

by crazy_inventor Monday, Feb. 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

see, theres a few things we agree on.

and zionists, in fact I play clips exposing AIPAC, their influence on our media, and refer to known israhell businesses (like hertz car rental, starbucks, home depot) as 'israhell fisters', and get really nasty on the air, with them.

'hertz - when you're ready to lick steaming israhell shit off your fist' (hertz offers a discount for rentals to travelers to israhell)

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