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"The Activism Entry Point: Critiquing The Cancer in Occupy Debate" — by Joseph Anderson

by Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA Monday, Feb. 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Longtime Berkeley activist Joseph Anderson weighs in on the ongoing debate around Occupy Oakland on the issue of diversity of tactics and the use of BlackBloc style tactics. He weighs in on the recent debate between Chris Hedges and Occupy Oakland organizer Kristof Lopaur. The Occupy movement, Anderson says, cannot have both a diversity of people and a ”diversity of tactics” at this time – and the movement can’t shortcut the process of attaining, and retaining, the first by jumping to the second. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Well, by now everyone in the Occupy movement is hotly debating “nonviolence” vs. “diversity of tactics”, as recently so in, “Chris Hedges and Kristof Lopaur of Occupy Oakland debate black bloc, militancy and tactics,” February 8, 2012, on KPFA in Berkeley, California.

Both Lopaur and Hedges made some critically weak, flawed, at times somewhat disingenuous or self-contradictory and, in Lopaur’s case, often specious arguments in their radio debate. This so, even though I politically agree with Hedges, and although Hedges’ recent commentary, ”The Cancer in Occupy,” seemed poorly supported journalistically. But, Hedges is dead on about, ‘Go do violence under your own name, not the Occupy movement’s.’

Hedges would have been better off just writing his opinion, presented analytically, but he deserves great credit for using his stature to get an “Anarchist”-suppressed, but mortally important, debate firmly out in the open and over progressive airwaves. Let me say that both of them have respectively done very good progressive work.

This is my partial, but most important, analytical response to Kristof Lopaur’s (and those he represents) support for Black Bloc, or otherwise, ”diversity of tactics” in the Occupy Movement. My main point: Occupy Oakland, and the Occupy movement, cannot have both a diversity of people and a ”diversity of tactics” at this time – and the movement can’t shortcut the process of attaining, and retaining, the first by jumping to the second.

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Read more:

http://daveyd.com/

http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/the-activism-entry-point-critiquing-the-cancer-in-occupy-debate/#comment-30137

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http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2012-02-14

http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2012-02-14/article/39305?headline=The-Activism-Entry-Point-Critiquing-The-Cancer-in-Occupy-Debate--By-Joseph-Anderson

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My great appreciation to Becky O'Malley, publisher of the Berkeley Daily Planet in Berkeley, CA, and San Francisco Bay Area-based journalist Davey D of KPFA, Berkeley, CA, and publisher of DaveyD.com.


All Together in The Struggle,

Joseph Anderson

Berkeley, CA

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Joseph Anderson bio blurb

by bio Monday, Feb. 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Joseph Anderson is a Berkeley, CA, resident; a longtime, progressive, grassroots, political and global justice activist; an occasional political commentary contributor to various publications on issues usually ranging from Black-stereotyping (including by white liberal- & media-coronated Black-on-Black ‘tough-love celebrities’), police brutality, and the Israel lobby and Zionism from a true antiracist, leftist perspective; has occasionally been interviewed on KPFA and elsewhere in the media; has contributed on-the-scene citizen reporting for the prominent progressive San Francisco Bay Area-based journalist, Davey D; and author of, "Same-old-same-old from the corporate media [and police]: the Oakland Justice for Oscar Grant protests".
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The Cancer in Occupy movement is Undercover Cops & Agents Provacateur doing Violent Acts

by Undercover Cops & CIA Agents Provacateur Monday, Feb. 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM

It can be said if Someone says you need to do Violent Acts in order to achieve your goals that the person is probably a Spook or a Dupe, who has been deceived by Spooks, whether they be Undercover Cops infilatrating the Targeted Movement, or Intel Spooks from various Agencies be they CIA, Mossod, MI6, etc. These Agents Provacateur and those Duped by them are the Real Cancer aka Trojan Horse in The Occupy Movement, for it is they that draw The TV Cameras aka The CIA Propuganda Machine to Smear the Opponents of Occupy Movement by Attaching these Violent Acts, which were Hatched by Cops Recruited by The CIA, or other Agents Provacateur in Order to give the 1% their Excuse to Shut Down Occupy. Without these Provoking Agents, The 1% and their Cops would openly look like The Gestapo they are, when they preemptively attack Occupy Protesters, with Mace or Batons without such a provoking incident supplied by their fellow spooks infiltrating Occupy. The same goes for the Antiwar Movement, or any other adversary of the 1%.
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Joseph Anderson, raving, ranting, mole...

by Crazed J.A.? Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Oh, I remember this guy...
A real piece of work as one can see for themself, if one takes the time to do an author search on this very newswire.
bio, indeed.
What is interesting is this:
This disruption agent, in my opinion, from reading this individual's rhetoric is one of beginning reason followed by an increasing drift into provocateur rantings to carry water for a particular agenda.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/150156_comment.php#150946
when he goes into his 'JA' mode, to fan huge BW eating 'dialogue' for the usual crew of weasels to come in through and promote there own platform of propaganda.
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those rabid Zionist Jewish racists...

by Anti-Zionist Wednesday, Feb. 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM

...sure do hate Joseph Anderson!

(That's how you know his politics are good and that he's morally and intellectually right.)
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well...

by JA shines in this one Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM

read the circus JA helped to run in this thread
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/145635_comment.php#149793
you'll see what I mean
like I said, a real piece of work.
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We know you zionist nutbags have taken over Palestine & think the whole world revolves...

by OY vey!! Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 at 3:26 PM

... AROUND _YOU_!

RE: "well...", Feb. 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM.

But that doesn't mean that you zionist nutbags have to try to take over EVERYTHING ELSE too!

The article above is NOT about _YOU_ or your dangerously crazy RACIST _JEWISH SUPREMACIST STATE_ COLONIALISM !

It's about The Occupy Movement – NOT the zionist colonial perpetration in Palestine!

Come to think of it, you zionists are very good at the jewish white supremacist colonial occupation of OTHER people's land, aren't you.
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Well,then.....

by Lord Locksley Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 at 5:16 PM
armigerous@earthlink.net

Well,then........
bird.jpg5mogn7.jpg, image/jpeg, 310x240

.....occupy THIS!!
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see what I mean?

by bad jester Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Like I said, JA seems to invite the lunatic fringe to 'come on in'.
while acting as the controlled and psychopathic 'opposition'.
it doesn't really matter what theme this individual is 'supporting'. He loses his sanity almost immediately as the previous posts show ...
Just what everyone needs, a spokesman from the squirrel's nut filled nest who throws reason out the door at the first opportunity...
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*LUNATICS*?...: "5,000 years ago 'God' promised Palestine to us Jews!"

by see what I mean indeed Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 at 6:29 PM

" And 2,000 years ago our ANCIENT religious ancestors used to live there. "

[for an historically temporary period of time, but along with everyone else before, during and afterwards.]

" So we Jews have come back for what's ours! "

[even though our ANCIENT religious ancestors weren't even the first ones there.]

It's an argument that's LITERALLY worse than MEDIEVAL!

It doesn't get any more LUNATIC than that!


re: { see what I mean?
by bad jester Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Like I said, JA seems to invite the lunatic fringe to 'come on in'. }
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just like @ Portland IMC

by so tell me Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 at 6:49 PM

what the hell is wrong with you, JA? Unable to find your mental anchor or is it as I suspect; that you are really a mole to discredit the IMC?
Your welcome mat of weasels at Portland seem to have the same psychotic flow of noise that you are ringleading right here.
Kinda like Hex, Yada, Smashy or what ever other nic you use.
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hey zio-nuts!

by they're baaa-aaack... Saturday, Feb. 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM

see above at:

Well,then.....
by Lord Locksley Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM.

(Talk about psychotic! What a laugh!)
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well, hell...

by B.B. usually Cops Saturday, Feb. 25, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I believe that the actions of the 'Black Block' are purely state agencies with their following of dupes, agent provocateurs and plain criminal elements.
We've seen quite a few explicit examples of this false flag approach by the state to deal with public opinion and the freedom; no, the Right to peaceably assemble for grievances.
The majority must actively police their movements like forming roving committees to patrol and mitigate criminal destructive activities that paint the demonstrations as 'violent'.
Revolution can become a bloodbath if violence and destruction hold sway as opposed to deliberate tactics and mass action. Resistance can be as powerful as a position of total refusal to allow the state to guide the direction of the movement.
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moved on years ago

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 8:19 AM

> Kinda like Hex

Wow. Still talking about me. I abandoned this site years ago, due to security and privacy issues.

My most recent clearnet posts are here :

http://hackaday.com/2011/03/18/seeed-looks-for-help-developing-an-open-source-radiation-detector/#comments

With rare exceptions (as above) I only post on Tor hidden forums and work with hidden sites.

I was led here just now by KAOS Radio Austin > IMC Austin > IMC > la-IMC > (lets take a quick look to see how they're doing in the years since I last checked)

I just went back a dozen hidden article pages (always interesting) and a few comment pages, to here.

This thing about the sockpuppets, my old nic here of Hex, that is all I ever posted as. A few people tried spoofing that nic a few times as I recall, and I cited them for it. I've never posted at Portland or any other IMC other than the main one a decade ago. IMC doesn't meet my standards.

What does is Onion Forum 2.0

http://65bgvta7yos3sce5.onion/

No censorship, say anything you want, no registration required. You do have to accept a cookie to post, but I dump it right afterward. It's hidden - neither you nor the forum can be traced, thanks to Tor.

All my services and servers are exclusively all on Tor and Freedom Hosting (hidden hosting on Tor) now.

I no longer exist on the clearnet, I left the darknet in order to post this, just to say hi and remind about the mistaken sockpuppet accusation, since I'm here for a short time anyway doing some reading.

Nothings changed I see ;)
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tell you one thing

by chuckles Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Well now, 'Hex', I know you were shown to be a flaccid attempt at gatekeeping...
And in so doing, showed everyone what a tool you are.
Still telling us that DU contamination is like "lead in a battery" and therefore no threat to world health?
sure....
kicked your miserable ass each and every time you expelled another load of crap like Iran and its 'nuclear threats' which you promoted for your israeli masters.
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plutonium

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Since Fukushima I've developed home made radiation detectors, and I take rain samples and check them for -

you guessed it - alpha particles

Local coal fired power plants are the only source of uranium I've found. Even with Fukushima, the ocean is absorbing 80 % of it, while I'm doing weekly updates, and by the minute measurements right here.

Warning people about the cesium in food, background radiation measurements, and latest findings.

check here -

http://enenews.com/

my latest graph -
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Joe Vialls

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 9:47 AM

re: Iran

It was Joe who claimed that they have sunburns.

The only claim I made is that if true it means israel will never attack Iran.

It's now been about 10 years and they still haven't..

I posted the same thing on RT, and they didn't have any problem with it. They did censor the word orifice however :)

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and now you're back...

by A. Tool? Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 11:56 AM

you're still the psycho who pushed it as 'proof' that Iran has nuclear weapons.
piss off, 'Hex'.
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he's got ann's tool in his hands

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 12:33 PM

care to quote me on that?

(might find that difficult since someone systematicly went back and deleted/made hidden almost all the old posts, I noticed)

thats the typical reactionary right wing mind - never admit you're wrong about anything, ever, and when confronted dig in and double down.


I'd still like to see those chemtrail samples, and measurements.

After all, I'm measuring radiation now..

You know, as a public service, for the public good, for free.

- sure beats trying to make a quick buck selling disinformation and scams.

and how did that IMC moderator bid turn out - that failure sure didn't stop you from hanging around parroting coulter, did it.
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making shit up again?

by ha Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 12:52 PM

well, it seems that JA and 'you both' are experts at making up shit, knee deep in denial.
Oh, and exactly how did you manage to manufacture an alpha detector?
I know mine is a thin film optic-coupler with a photo-multiplier tube' in a dark box.
And this link:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Bakersfield-CA-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx
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My design is far better

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I first used phosphor and a PIN diode, since photomultiplier tubes are expensive easily damaged special order parts, but then even better a simple bare die transistor. The one I use for rain samples is a very large TO-3 high voltage power transistor, which works extremely well. Posted it all at the above hack-a-day link so everyone can benefit from having one with only common parts and basic knowledge. I was the only one there who figured out how to detect individual clicks with common parts, I might add. All the others there either didn't know or only suggested special expensive parts like you just did..

Expose your tube to sunlight, and I'll expose my detector, then see who's still works :)
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ha, thought so...

by Explains nothing Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:14 PM

You're SO full of bullshit, Hex.
PM tubes are far more sensitive even if they require high voltage.
"Expose your tube to sunlight, and I'll expose my detector, then see who's still works"
Only an idiot would type such a stupid comment.
But, like the rest of your crap, it merely means that you're full of crap and little more.
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it doesn't need to be 'far more sensitive'

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:34 PM

- it only needs to be sensitive enough to detect the particles

even low levels (a few lux) of indoor light will instantly ruin a photomultiplier tube, surely you were provided a warning about that. It causes an electron cascade which exceeds the tube's capacity and ruins it..

It's also an expensive special order part with a limited lifetime.

My detector will withstand full sunlight and is solid state. (and low voltage micropower)

I use a reference source that gives off 33,600 alpha particles per second, and that is what I detect, ~ 200,000 CPM
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pay attention

by Again... Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I did say inside a dark box. And it produces accurate results with an AGC moderated by a shielded constant source, Americium 241 at the 20 MC level. It's run for six years without any problems.
You and JA [ being redundant here ] are still tools if somewhat cracked.
And on the edge psychopath liars.
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battery powered

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I did say expose it to sunlight to compare..

and my batteries will last longer than that.

micropower
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back on track

by A. Tool? Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 1:57 PM

No matter the noise level of which there is ample example, we still have the over the edge psychopath who simply cannot post without lying from deep within the hurt locker of OCD.
Whether you call yourself 'Hex' or 'JA'
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do go on, the ad hominems suit you

by crazy_inventor Saturday, Sep. 01, 2012 at 2:04 PM


'It's all there look it up.'

"The evidence is inconclusive"

'cannot post without lying' ^ whoopse
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