http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/674909.html


Iran vows to put Israel into 'eternal coma' if attacked


Were Israel to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran would respond so strongly that it would put the Jewish state into "an eternal coma" like Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's, the Iranian defense minister said yesterday.

Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has said his country would not accept Iran's acquiring nuclear weapons under any circumstances. He stopped short of threatening a military strike against Iran, but he said Israel was preparing for the possible failure of diplomatic negotiations with Iran.

A newscaster on Iranian state television read out a response from Iran's minister of defense, Gen. Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, yesterday.


"Zionists should know that if they do anything evil against Iran, the response of Iran's armed forces will be so firm that it will send them into eternal coma, [just] like Sharon," Najjar said.

What do you expect? Israel is demanding the Iran not have rights every other nation has. The US is threatening to attack Iran on Israel's behalf. What do you expect Iran to say? If you pick a fight, expect a fight.

And Iran and its people will lose. Its a shame they just hate each other so much.

they don't hate each other enough to have a war.

Iran is being threatened.

Islamic vs. Jewis. Or Palestien vs. Isreal either way they hate each other. The way the Iranian leader is taking (i.e. the hollocaust didn't happen) Isreal will never allow the Iranians to have any nuclear technologies that could possibly lead to nucler weapons.

You just gotta love all the inane rhetoric from the muslim world. Constantly going on and on about the "mother of all wars" and how they're going to "put Israel in a coma".

For God's sake, these shitbirds can't fight their way out of a paper bag. It took them ten years to fight the Russians and that was only after we had to bail them out.

Hopefully Israel (the only covilized society in the middle east and therefore entitled to the lion share of power and control) WILL attck iran and that will hopefully lead iran to engage in a suicide mission.

With any luck there won't be any Iran left after that

And the world will yawn.

wouldn't you just love to be fresca's neighbor? And a Muslim?

More war for Israel with the coming bombing of Iran?:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=47176


http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/112850.php

Neoconservatives Here To Stay by Karen Kwiatkowski:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-kwiatkowski/neoconservatives-here-to-_b_14493.html

See the posts about Karen Kwiatkowski in the 'Comments' section of the following URL (simply scroll down to them after arriving):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/01/26/bush-hamas-victory-remi_n_14490.html

http://gorillaintheroom.blogspot.com/2005/05/karen-kwiatkowski-interview.html

Thinking about Neoconservatism:

http://www.vdare.com/misc/macdonald_neoconservatism.htm

For more on JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) Zionist Michael Ledeen (who is an admirer of the Italian fascists and is a close friend of Karl Rove) at AEI and other Israel first traitors to America like him, scroll down to the 'Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement' essay (by professor Kevin MacDonald of California State University, Long Beach) which is linked at the following URL (be sure to read the 'Thinking about Neoconservatism' article which is linked there as well):

Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32606

"The first teenager said that she told her Jewish friend (quite succinctly), "Well, what do you expect? You took their land!" "

A very touching illustration of our substandardeducation system.

A. "palestinians" don't exist.
B. The land that was "taken" was taken from Egypt, Syria, and Jordan after these three peace loving islamic states tried to annhilate Israel in 1967. And, as we all know, that was another war that didn't go so well for the muslims.

"We always appreciate the JDL and its peculiar view on history, fresca.
With a couple hundred hell bombs, it looks like the renegade state of Israel is the real point of terror in that part of the world, a fact fresca needs to cover over."

Sorta funny except for the fact that as of yet, there simply hasn't been any Jewish terrorist attcks, no Jews blowing themselves up in discos, or flying planes into buildings and certainly none of those "hell bombs" ever going off.

Face it, Israel is the only state in the middle east evolved and civilized enough to have nukes.

And clearly they need them, seeing as how they are surrounded by savages.

Haven't met any lately. The friends of mine who are jewish are nice people.
Non of the are in the IDF or the Mossad though. I tend to avoid assholes.
And the Israeli state has committed terrorism many times from its beginning.
Your kind like to call it something else . All to the objective of pushing the former inhabitants you call savages off of the map. To claim their land and their lives through terror and brute force, not justice. The German fascists had a word for it. Living Room. Lebenraum.

fresca: "A very touching illustration of our substandardeducation system."

The unvarnished truth.


But, speaking of substandard education...

fresca: "A. "palestinians" don't exist."


Speaks for itself.

Here Zionists like fresca complain that Hamas doesn't recognize Israel as a state (a Zionist, racially/ethnically-exclusive state, based on whether your mother was a Jew), but hardcore Zionists -- like fresca, with her verbal genocide -- don't even recognize the Palestinians as a *PEOPLE*!

Now Jews would never morally accept it (nor should anyone else) if America or Europe -- let alone Nazi Germany -- said that you wouldn't be recognized as a people unless your mother (and you) were a Christian.

I wonder what fresca would say about the book, The Thirteenth Tribe, by Arthur Koestler, which claims that "Jews" don't exist? -- and that *European* Jews are really a *European* people once known as the Khazars, who later became "Jews" and migrated to Poland.

See
http://www.amazon.com
/gp/product/0394402847/qid=1138386333/sr=2-1
/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5726718-4353608?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

(put all those URL pieces on one line in your search;
or just put "The Thirteenth Tribe" in Amazon's search box.)

Now wether one agrees with Koestler's research or not, the Eastern/Central European people who called themselves Jews had a right to exist without being dispossessed, driven out of their homes into concentration camps, brutally oppressed, and ulitmately genocided.

At any rate, however the Zionists want to verbally annihilate the Palestinians as a people, Palestine was not, as the Zionist Jews said, "a land without a people". And the people who *were* there had a right to live there without being dispossessed, driven out of their homes into refugee camps, brutally oppressed, and attempted to be eliminated by what has turned out to be THE WORLD'S GREATEST HYPOCRITES -- ZIONIST JEWS!


fresca: "B. The land that was "taken" was taken from Egypt, Syria, and Jordan after these three peace loving islamic states tried to annhilate Israel in 1967. "

Speaking of substandard education, Egypt, Syria and Jordan do not define themselves on the basis of religion -- UNLIKE ISRAEL. Egypt, Syria and Jordan do not define or call themselves "Islamic states". Egypt, Syria and Jordan have historically and traditionally most predominantly Arab countries have Muslims, Chritians, and Jews. In fact, the largest Jewish populations lived in Morocco and Iraq! And, there are still Jews living in Syria and Jordan (and probably Egypt too).

Palestinians don't hate Jewish people -- they hate Jewish RACISM!

Hamas doesn't want to abolish the Jewish people -- it wants to abolish the ideologically Zionist (and thus RACIST) Jewish state of Israel, AN APARTHEID STATE immorally carved out of , and which has taken over all of, Palestine!

Jews have lived all over the Arab/Persian/Mideast/Muslim world. If Arabs wanted to abolish/exterminate Jews, then Arabs could have done so long long ago. In fact, it was *European Christians* who periodically wanted to abolish European Jews (as well as other ethnic groups -- Jews weren't the only ones). European Jews often fled to the *Arab* world for safety, where Arabs and Jews lived among each other in mostly peace (as much as any two peoples' ever seem to in this world) and usually as *friends* or friendly neighbors!


Again, speaking of substandard education... The Zionists/Israelis keep repeating this lie that "Islamic states tried to annihilate Israel" -- practicing Goebbels tenet of repeating "THE BIG LIE" over and over, and over, until it becomes 'truth'.

THE UN PARTITION THAT THE JEWS GOT IN PALESTINE (immorally given to European Jews by the Western European and American IMPERIALIST allies, with Britain betraying its WWI-era promise of independence to Palestine) **WAS *NEVER* ATTACKED**!! This is where 30% of the population, Jewish (and even then mostly due to massive illegal influx of Jews from *Europe*), was given OVER HALF, 56%, of the land -- so *70%*, the *native* population, mostly Muslims and Christians, was squeezed into well less than half the land.

In particular, Egypt and Jordan (and Jordan in a secret agreement with Israel), realizing that the Jews would go for their first (actually 2nd) land grab would -- as David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister said, declare "statehood" and immediately militarily grab land OUTSIDE the UN Jewish partition, taking over almost 80% of Palestine -- all militarily raced to occupy land outside of the Jewish partition, rather than let the European Zionist Jews take it ALL!

As anti-racist anti-Zionist Jewish-American activist Tim Wise said in his essay "Fraud Fit for a King" (and also read "Reflections on Zionism from a Dissident Jew -- both available online):

"But of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."


fresca: "And, as we all know, that was another war that didn't go so well for the muslims."

Well, now, this ain't the good ole days: now at least one predominantly Muslim country has long range missiles that could economically, if not physically (and soon with nuclear weapons), DEVASTATE Israel in a counter-attack, even with conventional warheads. And that's why Iran told Israel, 'Are ya feeling lucky punk!? ...Make my day!: ...If you *want* a fight, you'll *get* a fight.'

you mean like starting with the terror bombing of the 12-story King David hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, collapsing an entire wing of the building from top to bottom and killing about 100 people, even before Israel declared itself a state?

you mean like planting bombs even in Jewish neighborhoods in Arab countries to scare them out and to try to drive them off to Israel?

you mean like attacks on Palestinian villages, like Deir Yassin, masssacring old and young civilian men, women, and even children?

you mean like bombings of American diplomatic facilities in Egypt in the Lavon Affair?

you mean like the bombing of the USS Liberty?

you mean like the attack on the mosque in Palestine killing and wounding scores of Palestinians?

you mean like Israel planting car bombs in Beirut, killings scores of innocent people?

by the way, Israel invented the car bomb; othere people (including the CIA in 1983 in Beirut, missing its target and killing mostly innocent people) have sinced copied it.

you mean like israel bombing UN refugee camps and claiming that it didn't know it was a UN refugee camp?

you mean like dropping 1- or 2-ton bombs on Palestinian apartment buildings, killing almost all the admitted civilians to assassinate one suspect?

you mean like the Jews in Los Angeles who had planned to plant bombs in mosques and other places?

you mean like other terrorist bombings that we don't even know about?

in most of these Jewish terrorist attacks mentioned above, the Jews pretended to be _Arabs_.

Makes you wonder more about 9-11, the Israel-First Jewish neocons in the Bush administration and Pentagon, and the zionists in Sharon's government, doesn't it?

fresca: "there simply hasn't been any Jewish terrorist attcks,"

fresca: "And clearly they [Israel] need them [nukes], seeing as how they are surrounded by savages."

"wouldn't you just love to be fresca's neighbor? And a Muslim? "

He's an internet troll who's real brave on the message board here. But I figure he's never say anything to anyone in person.

>>fresca: "A very touching illustration of our substandardeducation system."

>The unvarnished truth.

I wasn't agreeing with fresca above (see Re Israel, The Folly of Fresca, and "The Big Zionist Lie!", Jan 27, 11:57AM). I was agreeing with the succinct unvarnished truth of the teenage girl (see "The straightforward wisdom of youth", Jan 27, 12:56AM) when she told her Jewish friend, "Well, what do you expect? You took their [the Palestinians'] land!"


Yes, fresca still represents 'the gold standard' of a substandard educational system.

The obvious mossad connection to the mythical hyjackers from Ossomaland.
Like the espionage scandal of Israeli intelligence operations before 9-11 and the apparent shadowing of these dangerous terrorists.
http://www.thenewliberator.com/wethepeople.htm#_Toc37603904
What Did Israel Know?

But the most remarkable warnings of all come from Israel. The issue of Israeli foreknowledge of 9/11 is highly controversial. The story is too complicated to go into detail here; but a number of respected publications (for instance, Fox News, 12/12/01, Forward, 3/15/02, ABC News, 6/21/02, Salon, 5/7/02, Ha'aretz, 5/14/02, Le Monde, 3/5/02, Reuters, 3/5/02, AP, 3/5/02, AP, 3/9/02, Cox News, 3/5/02, Guardian, 3/6/02, Independent, 3/6/02, New York Post, 3/6/02, Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02) have written about an Israeli "art student" spy ring operating in the US for several years before 9/11.

The name "art student" is used because most of these scores of spies were posing as college art students. There have been suggestions that some of these Israeli spies lived close to some of the 9/11 hijackers. For instance, a US Drug Enforcement Administration report from before 9/11 noted that Israeli spies were living in the retirement community of Hollywood, Florida at 4220 Sheridan Street, which turned out to be only a few hundred feet from lead hijacker Mohamed Atta's residence at 3389 Sheridan Street (see the DEA report, 6/01). Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least ten of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers. [Salon, 5/7/02] In fact, Forward, the most widely circulated publication in the US targeting the Jewish audience, has admitted the spy ring existed, and that its purpose was to track Muslim terrorists operating in the US. [Forward, 3/15/02]

Wow, so much good stuff to feast on here. This thread is just chock full of the typical anti jewish (oh of course, none of you are against Jews per se, ...perish the thought) clap trap.

I think I'll just bat a few of the more inane topics around leisurely over a few posts.

First, there simply is no such thing as a "palestinian". It's just silly to keep acting as if there is. Now, it hardly matters what you call the people in the "occupied" territories but to impart some actual history or credibility as a group or society that has actually created a state is ridiculous. Why not call them what they are? Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians. Why the compulsion to bestow some concocted identity to them?

It hardly matters except that it does illustrate the tendency to see Israel as the aggressor in a one sided conflict with a noble, peaceloving culture. Which is clearly nonsense.

Second. Hamas and their ilk absolutely HATE JEWS. Theirs is not a battle of land rights or socio economic concerns. That's silly lip service designed to rope the fools of the left into their corner. These animals simply hate Jews. We have these scumbags here called the KKK, or the white supremecists. All exactly the same. Garden variety hate groups.

I have to go back and read some more of the amazing wealth of Jew hating leftist gibberish here.

The predictable attempts at connecting 9-11 to Isreal and the quite humorous list of Israeli terrorism is going to be alot of fun.

By the way, has Israel committed terrorism. You bet. I never said it was perfect. Isarel has a hell of alot to answer for. But so the hell does it's barbaric neighbors.

We could keep this mouth piece for Israeli propaganda going for weeks.
This fresca is totally predictable when ever the mention of Zionist crimes
are brought up. As she pulls the cover of all Jewish people over herself
to make cover in retreat for these admitted crimes.
Cowardly.

now I am laughing.
You need to laugh or you will weep. You didn't mention the invasion into
Lebanon.
And the years of slaughter of Palestinian refugees. Untermench.

Now this power intoxicated rogue nuclear power is buzzing the citizens
of Lebanon at this moment breaking windows in sonic booms just for fun.
Citizens who remember when these jets dropped ordinance on them.
Lebanon has no air force or air defense.
But this attitude parallels the remarks fresca keeps coming up with.
This is the Zionist attitude towards respect and peace.

fresca (Jan 27, 7:38PM): "By the way, has Israel committed terrorism. You bet."

when forced to, fresca had to admit it.

but, as usual, when _Israhell_ does it, it's not "barbaric".

I meant to say "she" is an internet troll.

Look. You all can, and I'm sure you will, continue to fall all over yourselves bleating and spewing about Zionazi this and Israeli terrorism that all you want, but the facts of the issue remain unchanged.

The wholesale denial in your quarter of any responsibility of the "palestinians" in particular or the arab/muslim world in general for this conflict is simply staggering.

The very fact that there are utter fools here who actually support or at least defend groups like hamas is very telling. There's simply no justification for that unless one is either completely stupid or naive or flat out racist. Hamas exists to destroy Jews wherever, as they themselves say, they might be found.

For the record, I'm not Jewish nor am I particularly interested in Israel in and of itself. I'm fascinated, however with the MONUMENTAL hypocrisy and outright racsim of the left on this issue.

The left claims to be the defenders of human rights and the purveyors of compassion for the downtrodden and oppressed such as the recently monikered "palestinians". This of course is utter bullshit.

The left doesn't give a flying fuck about the "palestinians" when they are slaughtered by other arabs like Jordan. That the rest of the Arab world cares about "palestinians" only as far as they are a tool to hate Jews is completely lost on the left.

And certainly the veritable catalog of human rights abuses committed daily by virtually every islamic state like EGYPT, SYRIA and JORDAN (to refute an earlier assinine claim) is categorically dismissed by the selectively caring left.

The only people worthy of compassion, it seems are those in conflicts with Jews and/or the US. There's no denying this.

So why then all the focus on Israel and such a free pass for the other side.

As I've said, Israel has much to answer for. Every state does. But the idea that "palestine" and the rest of the muslim world, who's sole focus it seems is to blame Israel for EVERY shortcoming and strive for it's eradication is justified is ridiculous.

Israel certainly has as much right to exist on that land as any other would be state. They've certainly built the only democratic and economically viable state in the region. And yes Israel remains the only country in the region where rabs can vote in truly free elections (a claim I'm sure will have most of you frothing at the mouth over...although nonetheless true).

Face it. Israel isn't going anywhere. Why would it? It exists fair and square. Eventually a "palestinian" state will probably exist (lucky us!) on land that Israel GIVES them. Hopefully there might be peace, but as long as "palestine" and the arab world blame Isarel for all their faults its doubtful.

And as for Zionism being a hate group or nazi equivalent, well that's just silly. The left just loves to brand anything it doesn't understand as "nazi". Of course we all know that only one side of this conflict openly espouses tto kill the other in the name of religion. And that, my friends, is the hallmark of your friends in hamas, and islamic jihad and all the rest of their savage brethren.

Wow.
That was well worth it. (chuckle) Still trying to cover the
lies, slogans, history and the general consensus that you
are on the loosing side of your tired propaganda.
You invariably rely upon cowering under the skirts of decent
justice oriented Jews who oppose this brutal colonial expansion.
Their personal history has witnessed the results of genocide.

" are on the loosing side of your tired propaganda.
You invariably rely upon cowering under the skirts of decent
justice oriented Jews who oppose this brutal colonial expansion. "

Beyond your typical bad spelling, your point is nonsensical.

If anything, Israel is CONDENSING. They've already generously given land to these "palestinians" and are calling for more giveaways. It would seem that it's the arabs whose colonies inh Israel are expanding.

Israel's total land area continues to decrease.

Still waiting to see the leftist outporing of concern and compassion for the victims of muslim on muslim atrocities and human rights abuses.

BA is another guy that's real brave hiding behind his keyboard.

"BA is another guy that's real brave hiding behind his keyboard."

What is that supposed to mean? Are the leftist conspiracy theorists who also frquent this joint somehow more brave and courageous, regardless of the fact that their sole output is to TYPE how eveil Jews and AMericans are?

Curious double standard that.

And again, where's all the leftist compassion for muslim on muslim atrocities.

Certainly at least ONE of you fools must give a damn about the Hama massacre or the treatment of women, gays, Jews and Christians in islamic states.

You know, you being all caring and sensitive and all.

Or do you simply just hate Jews and Americans?

yes of course that's it, you flaming twit.
It's nothing about the scale of this terrorism.
Your position is quite clear.

" It's nothing about the scale of this terrorism. "

Well, you and yours have yet to make a peep about the worldwide plague of islamic terrorism so it must have something to do with hating Jews and Americans.

After all, what else would explain the absolute free pass the islamist terrorists get from you?

No wonder the world hates America.

"No wonder the world hates America."

They won't hate us when they're dead.

Oh JA, where to begin.

Pretty much like everyone else that posts on virtually every forum on the internet, I too, will decline to use my real name.

As far as being Betty, uh, I'll leave that up to you to keep fantasizing on.

But I do know this. It seems really hard for any of you compassionate anti-Zionists to shed a tear for any muslim on muslim violence and atrocities.

Hmmmmmm. Very telling. Maybe you're all having trouble getting your white sheets off and you'll get back to me later.

I guess posing this question has pretty much run off all the historically challenged leftists, but I'll post it again.

" And again, where's all the leftist compassion for muslim on muslim atrocities.

Certainly at least ONE of you fools must give a damn about the Hama massacre or the treatment of women, gays, Jews and Christians in islamic states.

You know, you being all caring and sensitive and all.

Or do you simply just hate Jews and Americans?"

It is the apologists for Israeli terror like Fresca whom 'simply just hate Jews and Americans' because it is their policies that endanger both.
Naturally, she changes the subject to all other Muslims. And a 'left' that was supposed to be responsible for her own indifference.

"this about Iran & Israel"

It may have been in the beginning of the thread but if you'll scroll up you'll see that the Israel "palestinian" issue was interjected by some anti_jewish fool and that's what it's been about ever since.

So no, it's not about Israel and Iran. It's about the left's obsession with painting Israel as the sole aggressor and purveyor of all things wrong in the Middle East. As Zionism as the one philosophy that is leading to oppression and struggle for the "noble" arab.

All this while giving a virtual free pass to the hordes and hordes af islaMIST terrorism, human rights abuses and common dream of a global islamic theocracy. All things which you and yours commonly claim the US and Israel
are engaged in.

The point is this, if you claim to be pro-people and pro peace but are only willing to examine one side of a conflict than you have absolute zero credibility.

It also calls into question your motives for such a onesided condemnation.

Clearly, unless you are simply an imbecile, the evidence of islamic terrorism and the brutal harsh culture of an islamic state is readily and easily verifiable. To so staunchly defend, lionize and or deny such realities while focusing solely on Israel is very damning.

Racism is surely the first potential explanation.

The indifference to Muslim terror would be a false accusation. As a person who believes in world peace, I simply say we should stop the most evident offenders. Those being the states of America and Israel.
What you are doing is pointing to another crime to draw attention from a greater one.
Did someone say your propaganda is tired?

"As a person who believes in world peace, I simply say we should stop the most evident offenders. Those being the states of America and Israel."

You CLEARLY don't give a damn about world peace. Talk about tired and weak rhetoric. To actually say that Israel and the US with all of it's, admittedly fucked up history of foriegn policy and heavy handed responses to terrorism is in any way equivalent to the level of violence and oppression of the Islamic world is just palin inane.

Your response is soooo typical of your camp. World peace is ONLY a goal if it's accomplished by the cowing of the US and the destruction of Israel.

Your sides' inability to see both sides of the problem is extremely transparent.

it's actually fascinating and somewhat amusing to see you all (if there are actually more than two or three of you) keep floundering while trying to hide the pink elephant of islamic barbarism.

fresca: "Pretty much like everyone else that posts on virtually every forum on the internet, I too, will decline to use my real name."

If you love Israel and the Zionist Jews so much, then why don't you STAND UP AND BE COUNTED FOR WHO YOU ARE!!???

You claim that people are afraid to answer your INSIPID question -- WHY ARE YOU *SO* AFRAID TO USE YOUR NAME(!?) in a country who's govt, corporate media, and the world's most powerful lobby *support* you!???

WHY ARE YOU *SO* AFRAID TO USE YOUR NAME AND BE COUNTED -- BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO -- FOR A CAUSE SO 'MORALLY JUST'???

SO YOU ONLY SUPPORT ZIONIST JEWS FROM YOUR **CLOSET** IN L.A. (since you've been trounced and made a laughingstock -- even by many Jews -- in progressive Santa Cruz), IS THAT IT???

HA-HA-HA!!

no one gives a crap about fresca. Or who she is. It's her *LIES* that count.
Like the one about Islamic terror being more of a threat to world peace than
the terror from Wash DC or Tel Aviv. Unbelievable.

If you care so much, and are so "brave and courageous", then you can use your REAL name (and stop posing as others).

" Like the one about Islamic terror being more of a threat to world peace than
the terror from Wash DC or Tel Aviv."

So basically, with a comment like that, you're simply admitting that you're just crazy.

Cool. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure you believe that.

Fortunately, those NOT dwelling in your schizophrenic fringe can only but laugh at you.

Again, thanks for illustrating just how silly and deluded your camp actually is.

And for JA..... You're alot of fun when you get all worked up.

And by the way, if you're so sure that I'm Betsy Johnson then why all the angst over my anonymous postings? Sorta blows the anonymity out of the window, doesn't it?

LOL!

Aren't you the same one who is always calling everyone else crazy?
Sounds either like a personal problem, yours, or just a method of dodging the subject of the level of U.S. and Israeli terrorism.
The subject and history, that can be backed up with some references , at least on my side of the discussion.
But I think you know that.

"dodging the subject of the level of U.S. and Israeli terrorism.
The subject and history, that can be backed up with some references , at least on my side of the discussion.
But I think you know that. "

Look. You just gotta give it up.

First of all, there are alot of truly, truly crazy people on the imc. Certainly la IMC has no shortage of them. Jackasses running scared from "chemtrails", "shadow governments", and remote controlled airplane attacks give me all sorts of backup for calling people crazy around here.

Secondly, I have already mentioned that the US and Isarel have much to answer for. US foriegn policy in the region and certain policies of Israel are defintely wrong and have escalated thye problems. Of course this is wayyy more than you and yours have done in calling attenmtion to the wrongs of the "palestinians" and the murderers they support.

And as for history on your side, please, please stop before you embarrass yourself. The history of islamic terrorism and oppresion is vast. The world is on a collision course with islamists virtually on a global level. The policies of the uS and Israel, as fucked up as they might be at times, don't even come remotely close to the growing atrocities of islam. The very history of the Six Day War itself, refutes most of the propaganda of the pro-"palestinian" camp. the "occupied" territories were NEVER a part of any place called "palestine". Egypt, Syria and Jordan lost these terrirtories...not some place called "palestine".

But you already knew that.

Anyway, you can deny the threat of islamism all you want. You really don't figure into the situation.

Becky: "And for JA..... You're alot of fun when you get all worked up."

YOU'VE PROVIDED US ALL A *LLLOT* OF LAUGHS, BECKY!!

HA-HA-HA!!

You see, this is THE TRAP of those who get caught up in -- or *like* to get caught up in (debate club nerds) -- arguing irrelevant *details* with the Zionists. They let Zionists frame and direct the debate with *DIVERSIONARY*, ZIONIST CHANGING-THE-SUBJECT ARGUMENTS AND TACTICS -- and a dust bowl of details that DON'T MORALLY MATTER --instead of exposing Zionist Jews for the double standard, tear-jerking hypocrites that they really are.

Right-wing whites and pro-apartheid white-South Africans used to do this all the time with anti-apartheid white liberals/progressives/leftists. (Racist pro-apartheid whites used to claim that Black South Africans were communists, or that Black South Africans were criminals, that Black South Africans committed Black-on-Black crimes, or even that Blacks from surrounding countries came to apartheid South Africa to find jobs!) Black South Africans and Black-Americans never entertained these white racist apologist 'parlor' games. We just stuck to the fundamental immorality of having an apartheid state. White slave owners, of course, had their own similar style of arguments to 'justify' *slavery*! And Southern white Segregationists had similar arguments to justify the American system of "Jim Crow" apartheid. (And of course racist Southern whites always had some argument about some Black guy killing a white man or supposedly raping, oggling or whistling at some white woman.)

There were other arguments against even white women's liberation -- that women were, supposedly, emotionally or physically weak, or that they, supposedly, weren't intelligent enough for equality. (Or I could have pointed out -- factually -- how many overtly or covertly *RACIST* white women, like *fresca*, there are!! After all, many early white feminists didn't want Black women to have the right to even vote!)

Now we all recognize that slavery is wrong! We all recognize that Segregation is wrong! We all recognize that anti-Semitism against Jews is wrong (though Zionist Jews practice and support anti-Semitism against Palestinians)! We all recognize that apartheid is wrong! We all recognize that the inequality of women is wrong. No morally serious person tries to give counter-arguments to justify any of that stuff.

"Heck" you are being drawn down THE ZIONIST ARGUMENTATION TACTIC *TRAP* to keep debating over irrelevant -- and often esoteric/arcane -- *DETAILS* -- as well as to endlessly suck up your time over just one thread. (And when you've defeated them on one claim, they just bring up another one.)

I've seen Palestinian *friends* led down this dust bowl of details trap on debate news, talk or entertainment shows like Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" show. THE ZIONISTS KNOW THAT BASIC *MORALITY* WAS ACTUALLY ON THE SIDE OF THE PALESTINIANS -- if most American's misconceptions were properly corrected -- which is why the Zionists keep real debates off of mainstream TV -- and which is why the Zionists have attacked and tried to have the Indymedia system shut down or, failing that, try to hack it or falsely impersonate other people with blatantly anti-Semtic posts.

But, Zionists also know that most Americans can't follow a dust bowl of details, especially when the Zionists try to claim that Israel is "a complex issue". And the Zionists knew that all they had to do was to get the debate into a confusing draw at worst -- and the audience would side with the side that they knew best: the Zionists' side.

Most Palestinian-American debators, being typically students, academics or scholars -- who are more used to a slower scholastic style of more honest and comparative debate/analysis -- which is why Zionists try to keep such debate out of the universities -- are not used to the fast-paced and dishonest/diversionary tactics of most Zionists and pro-Zionist Americans.

In fact, it would be better and more effective for the non-Arab-American TV audience to have some Hollywood movie star (some non-Palestinian and especially some anti-Zionist Jew) -- of course at/after the end of their career and thus has nothing to lose by being blacklisted by Zionist Hollywood executives -- who is sympathetic to the Palestinian moral cause, is familiar with fast-pace media -- even without their deep knowledge -- and can stick to the basic *MORAL* issues -- do the debate.

("Just Shoot Me" TV star Wendy Malik, who is Lebanese-American, and who plays the ex-model "Nina", was once on Bill Maher and she did rather well for the amount of time that she had to speak in support of the Palestinians -- and the audience was receptive!)

Of course, the Palestinians who *are* the best debaters and articulaters are kept *OFF* TV -- blacklisted -- by Zionist Jewish news/entertainment executives -- so it's certainly *not* like no Palestinians can debate effectively on a fast-paced and/or highly tactical TV show.


You see morally:

it doesn't matter what the people in Palestine are called;

it doesn't matter what the land, Palestine, is called;

it doesn't matter if people who look like Palestinians also live somewhere else (don't all Europeans, including European Jews, generally look alike? -- that's why Hitler had to make even German Jews wear yellow stars);

it doesn't matter if people who *are* like Palestinians also live somewhere else (don't most Western Europeans share a Christian culture and similar major holidays?);

it doesn't matter what certain Palestinians or other Arabs have done, especially somewhere *else*, even if it's, according to fresca (Becky), "worse";

[that's like saying that Hitler had a right to persecute the Jews because of some "greedy Jewish bankers/swindlers"]

it doesn't matter if Egypt, Syria, Jordan or any other country anywhere else in the world started some war;

*RACIST* ZIONIST TERMS LIKE FRESCA'S "MUSLIM TERROR" don't matter;

it doesn't matter about "Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities";

it doesn't matter if, acording to fresca, "Muslim terror is worse than Zionist Jewish terrorism" -- ignoring the fact that many Palestinians -- including the most prominent ones (like Hanan Ashrawi and the late Edward Said) -- are *Christian* -- and many are *secular*;

it wouldn't matter if the people weren't called *anything* and the land weren't called *anything*;

it doesn't matter if, according to fresca (and here she brings in people who aren't even Palestinian to attack the *Palestinians*), there are "Jackasses running scared from "chemtrails", "shadow governments", and remote controlled airplane attacks".


NONE OF THOSE ZIONIST "BLAMING THE VICTIM" TERMS/EXCUSES, THAT EUROPEAN/HITLERIAN ANTI-SEMITES USED TO USE AGAINST EUROPEAN JEWS TO OPPRESS THEM, MATTER.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON THE LAND IN WHATEVER ONE WANTS TO CALL PALESTINE -- WHETHER ONE WANTS TO CALL IT A COUNTRY OR NOT -- HAD A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE WITHOUT BEING DISPOSSESSED -- however they were -- MASSACRED, DRIVEN OFF, AND THE REMAINING ONES FORCED INTO CAMPS AND GHETTOS, AND OPPRESSED.

MANY PEOPLES IN THE NON-EUROPEAN WORLD DIDN'T LIVE IN NATION-STATES -- THE PEOPLES OF "THE NEW WORLD" AMERICAS, THE PEOPLES OF THE PACIFIC ISLANDS, THE PEOPLES OF THE ARTIC -- AND THEY OFTEN DIDN'T HAVE NAMES RECOGNIZED BY THE EUROPEANS.

YET THOSE NON-EUROPEAN PEOPLES HAD A RIGHT TO LIVE WHEREVER THEY LIVED WITHOUT BEING DISPOSSESSED, MASSACRED, DRIVEN OFF, AND THE REMAINING ONES FORCED INTO CAMPS OR RESERVATIONS OR WORTHLESS LAND, AND OPPRESSED.

NO ZIONIST EXCUSES.

PERIOD.


So, "heck", if you just like to enlessly debate diversionary details with a rather evident wacko like fresca/Becky -- especially beyond the point where she has obviously been discredited -- like her comment that Zionist Jews/Israel have never committed any terrorism -- or when any reasonable person can see that she has clearly gone over the top -- then go ahead.

"Heck", if you are Palestinian/Arab, a *good* debater/lawyer *knows* when to sit down and let a wacko or clearly discredited person stew in their own obvious idiocy in front of the audience/jury once they are exposed on some point -- or for who they really are. You don't help that person get out of it by letting them drag you onto another diversion. I've brought those Zionists to a full stop or sent them packing MANY times by just arguing the basic morality or just devastingly discrediting a false/idiotic claim of theirs. After you've kicked those Zionists down, you don't help them back up!

See
http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/69348/index.php#69478

And
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/update/index.php

(Oh, I've been having *fun* this weekend.)

My work here -- at least in this thread -- is done.

-

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/49931/index.php#50648

-

JA, You can't possibly believe all that gibberish you just spouted can you?

First of all, please tell me you didn't actually play the old "jew run media" card did you? I know, I know, you said Zionist to cover your ass, but in as much as the vast majority of US liberal Jews (you know, the ones who "run" the media) are anything but Zionists it's pretty clear what you mean. I didn't know they let coloreds into the Klan. Oh well.

As for the issue itself, the morally correct side is pretty hard to identify, but certainly the "palestinians" don't have a monopoly on it. Hell the Jews were moving in and BUYING land two centuries ago and we all know from simple history that the violence started from the arabs. (Hebron massacres anyone?). Face it, before the Jews moved in "palestine" was a veritable shithole.

So now we have Isarel, which is clearly here to stay, literally surrounded by the dark age hordes of arab muslims. Most of which don't even have any beef with Israel other than religion. These arab islamic states certainly don't give a fuck about the "palestinians". If Israel ceased to exist, these "palestinians" would starve to death. No more money flooding in for hamas et. al.

People like you JA, will ALWAYS be on the wrong side of these issues.

And, where the hell did you get the idea that I was a "white woman"?

Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz (by fresca, Monday, Jan. 30, 2006 at 7:46 PM):
"Face it, before the Jews moved in "palestine" was a veritable shithole."


(You see, "heck"! This is where you just pull the quote and STOP -- and let the readers see fresca/Becky for what she really is! A clearly over-the-top racist wacko! You point it out and you don't have to say anything else.)

"If Israel ceased to exist, these "palestinians" would starve to death. "

I also said this. add this to the two other quotes you've copied and pasted and you have three irrefutable facts about the situation.

Unemotional, non-judgemental simple observable facts.

Now, back to the real point. Still no takers on why the racist left is only concerned with percieved "crimes" of Israel, yet gives muslims a free pass on ALL of their global, daily atrocities.

Curious.

Must be those sheets you all wear.

fresca: "I didn't know they let coloreds into the Klan."

No wonder they kicked her out of the community radio station in Santa Cruz.

Dear LA Indymedia Editors:

I DON'T want you to delete fresca's clearly racist posts above. PLEASE leave them to show her for the obvious RACIST that she is.

But, if you have any morals/conscience you would ban fresca herself from posting such obvious racial and religious hate speech.

I know that you would never allow someone to post or continually post hate speech against African Americans -- although fresca did that too.

I hope that you would never allow anyone to post or continually post misogynist, other racist, homophobic, national origin, physically- or mentally-challenged, or other religious hate speech; i.e., hate speech for any other group based on their immutable traits.

I would hope that you not tolerate and permit fresca to post.

Thank you.

Joseph Anderson

SLIGHT CORRECTION:

But, if you have any morals/conscience you would ban fresca herself from -- I.E., **FOR** -- posting such obvious racial and religious hate speech.


SUCH *EXPLICIT* AND *CONTINUAL* HIGH DEGREES OF RACIAL/ETHNIC HATE SPEECH IS NOT ONLY *VERY* HURTFUL TO THE *ENTIRE* TARGETED GROUP, IT ACTUALLY PUTS THEM IN RATHER SERIOUS POTENTIAL DANGER FROM THOSE OTHER SICK PEOPLE, LIKE FRESCA, IN SOCIETY THAT WILL **ACT** ON SUCH HATE SPEECH.

AND AS WE ALREADY KNOW, ARAB-AMERICANS/IMMIGRANTS AND MUSLIM-AMERICANS/IMMIGRANTS AND OTHER MIDDLE EASTERNERS (MALE AND FEMALE AND EVEN CHILDREN) HAVE A VERY HIGH RATE OF DEGRADING, INSULTING, DEHUMANIZING AND, OF COURSE, EVEN PHYSICAL -- EVEN MAIMING AND FATAL -- ATTACKS AGAINST THEM IN THIS SOCIETY.

AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DONE NO WRONG -- BUT JUST FOR WHO THEY ARE.

THAT'S WHY SOME COUNTRIES, LIKE CANADA AND GERMANY, MAKES SWEEPING EXPLICIT HATE SPEECH *ILLEGAL*:

BECAUSE IT PUTS AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN SOCIETY AT RISK, BASED ON THEIR RACE OR ETHNICITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, SEX, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, "HANDICAP", AND OTHER SUCH INNATE TRAITS.

SO, WHERE DOES LA INDYMEDIA STAND ON THIS?

WHAT IS THE SAYING?: "EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING."

WILL LA INDYMEDIA PERMIT AN OBVIOUS AND RATHER *EXPLICIT* RACIST LIKE FRESCA (OR ANY OF HER ALTERNATE ALIASES) TO CONTINUE TO POST AND HURT ENTIRE GROUPS OF PEOPLE?

OR, WILL LA INDYMEDIA DO WHAT SANTA CRUZ COMMUNITY RADIO DID TO FRESCA (OR BECKY JOHNSON) AND **BAN** HER FROM ITS VENUE?

WHERE DOES LA INDYMEDIA STAND ON *EXPLICIT* HATE SPEECH?


Thank you,

Joseph Anderson

...makes clear that racism is:

"any [negative] distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national and ethnic origin"

"
Of course, the Palestinians who *are* the best debaters and articulaters are kept *OFF* TV -- blacklisted -- by Zionist Jewish news/entertainment executives"

Sorta like this huh, JA?

The old jew run media card.

Face it JA, if anyone here is racist (and I've yet to meet anyone who isn't to some degree) it's you.

Cry all you want about me calling you "colored". I also disparaged you for being in the KLAN (which it seems you have quite alot in common with) so if the humor is lost on you then your're simply a dolt.

Your views on Jews and your support of any group that targets them is fairly obvious. Calling them "Zionists" doesn't make it okay.

And why is it you insist on claiming that I'm a "white woman" in a disparaging way. You have absolutely no reason to believe that other than that's about as bad as it can get in your eyes. So now your a jewhating, racsist misogynist.

And yet, I'm not whining and crying about you being banned. Now why is that?

Maybe it's because censorship is the kneejerk reaction of the left.

Well, one things for sure. You certainly live in the right city for your brand of snivelling.

Thanks to Don't make me laugh for listing every possible example of Jewish terrorism in the past 56 years. I note that only ONE example occurred in the past 5 years---the bombing of Sheik Yassin--although DMML refers to this as the "...dropping 1- or 2-ton bombs on Palestinian apartment buildings, killing almost all the admitted civilians to assassinate one suspect?"

In this case, the IDF had scrubbed previous attempts due to too many civilians in the area. DMML doesn't share that Yassin was responsible for hundreds of Israeli deaths, including civilians. DMML doesn't share that it's a violation of the Geneva convention for combatants (Yassin certainly was one!) to hide themselves inside densly populated urban centers. Yassin certainly was in the process of PLANNING new killings.

The State of Israel immediately issued a statement of regret for the civilians ACCIDENTLY killed in the targeted assassination of Yassin. Remember, Palestinian suicide bombers TARGET innocent civilians. The IDF both in policy and practice AVOID killing civilians.

A note on the King David Hotel bombing in 1947: The hotel was being used then as the HEADQUARTERS FOR THE BRITISH ARMY and certainly was a military target. Secondly, the Irgun telephoned 1/2 hour before the bombing, but the British, mysteriously, never issued an order to evacuate the building. When was the last time a Palestinian suicide bomber called ahead with a warning in order to minimize loss of life?

How cute. Now you're hiding the decades of Mossad assassination[*1], black ops[*2],kidnapping[*3] and false flag operations[*4] behind the skirt of all people of Jewish faith. Shame on you. You represent a sinister danger to my Jewish friends. I,m certain you weasels don't give a rat screw. You can claim your super hofjuden status ( for someone else w/o their consent ) and squeal like a pig stuck under a picket fence about 'anti-semitism'
1.Special Operations Division, also known as Metsada
http://fas.org/irp/world/israel/mossad/
2.Mossad sends fake messages implicating Libya
http://judicial-inc.biz/Locerbie.htm
3.) Ari Ben-Menashe on the Capture of Mordecai Vanunu
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/vanunu.html
4.) -Ben-Menashe revealed that Israeli intelligence organizations regularly engaged in "black operations," espionage activity designed to portray Palestinians and others in the worst possible light. "An example," wrote Ben-Menashe, "is the case of the 'Palestinian' attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That was, in fact, an Israeli 'black' propaganda operation to show what a deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were." According to Ben-Menashe, Israeli spymasters arranged the attack through "Abu'l Abbas, who, to follow such orders was receiving millions from Israeli intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas . . . gathered a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad, to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group picked on an elderly American Jewish man in a wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard.-
http://mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html

so decipher this
WDYGFY(?)- Becky.

Seeing you claim to be a friend of the Jews is simply vulgar sheepdog.

You are one of the most rabid and lockstepped Jew haters around here.

Pathetic.

And we should take *your*word as a psychopath for that?
let me refresh -
You can claim your super hofjuden status ( for someone else w/o their consent ) and squeal like a pig stuck under a picket fence about 'anti-semitism' and you're still a weasel.

Sheep. Please.

Even a cursory glance at the nonsensical beliefs and conspiracies that you subscribe to, let alone your frothing hatred of jews shows you to be suffering from some sort of mental disorder.

You simply CANNOT believe in AND be afraid of such things as chemtrails, the New World Order, "shadow governments and remote controlled airplane attacks on 9-11 and be without some sort of psychosis.

Of course you're not going to accept this but it's patently obvious to anyone else.

I mean come on for Christ's sake. Chemtrails!?!?

Try this link even if the editorial staff hid it for unknown reasons.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/144900.php

And to conflate the irritating issue of Mossad activity with chemtrails is another tired method of changing the subject.
The reader can do their own digging.

You are the one changing subject there sheep.

This thread about the hopefully imminent demise of iran was going along fine until YOU called me psycotic.
The subject of chemtrails was therefore brought up to clearly discredit your analysis. And quite clearly I might add.

So, having given copious and irrefutable evidence of your paranoid delusions, I now suggest we get back on track with the more hopeful and life affirming topic of the final days of Iran.

Back to you sir.

And you call *me* crazy.
Does a rational person advocate wholesale slaughter of an entire people or country?
Not in any sane world.

I simply don't want Iran, as it exists as a repressive, stoneage sharia led islmic state to exist.

Interesting links
1.Special Operations Division, also known as Metsada
http://fas.org/irp/world/israel/mossad/
2.Mossad sends fake messages implicating Libya
http://judicial-inc.biz/Locerbie.htm
3.) Ari Ben-Menashe on the Capture of Mordecai Vanunu
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/vanunu.html
4.) -Ben-Menashe revealed that Israeli intelligence organizations regularly engaged in "black operations," espionage activity designed to portray Palestinians and others in the worst possible light. "An example," wrote Ben-Menashe, "is the case of the 'Palestinian' attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That was, in fact, an Israeli 'black' propaganda operation to show what a deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were." According to Ben-Menashe, Israeli spymasters arranged the attack through "Abu'l Abbas, who, to follow such orders was receiving millions from Israeli intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas . . . gathered a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad, to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group picked on an elderly American Jewish man in a wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard.-
http://mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html
-reposter-

YAYYYYYYYYY...!!!

NEXT STOP ***IRAN***!!

ALL YOU STOOOPID U.S. SOLDIERS HIT THE GROUND FOR IRAN NOW!!

FRESCA, BECKY AND I ARE **ALL FOR** ATTACKING IRAN!!

FRESCA IS MY *FRIEND*!!

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON **THIS** ONE, AREN'T WE FRESCO!!?


(WHEN THE FIELD SLAVE SEES OLD MASSA'S HOUSE ON FIRE, HE PRAYS FOR A **BBBIG** WIND!!

NOT ONLY BIN LADEN'S, BUT MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN MIGHTILY ANSWERED IN IRAQ!!

NOW IT'S **ON TO IRAN** !! -- SO SAM CAN GET HIS ASS IN AN EVEN ***BIGGER*** SLING!!!)

**RIGHT** FRESCA!!?


PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE AP STORY BELOW (LET'S HOPE CHENEY DOESN'T LISTEN)!:
____________________________________________________________

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_us_iran

Mubarak Warns U.S. Not to Attack Iran


CAIRO, Egypt - Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak strongly advised the United States not to attack Iran, warning that military action would create more terrorists in neighboring Iraq, according to comments published Wednesday.

Mubarak also told Egyptian newspaper editors he warned Vice President Dick Cheney that ground troops "will have a hard time" in such a conflict.

"If an airstrike (against Iran) takes place, then Iraq will be turned to terror groups," Mubarak was quoted as saying by the daily Al-Gomhouria.

He said Shiite Muslims in the Gulf region also could turn against the United States because "Iran generously provides for Shiites in every country and these people are ready to do anything if Iran is attacked."

"Listen to my advice for once," [HA-HA-HA!!] he recalled telling Cheney in English. "You have vital interests in the Gulf region, especially oil."

The United States and other Western governments suspect that Iran's nuclear research program is a cover for weapons development and fear that Tehran is seeking to build an atomic bomb.

Tehran insists it only wants to generate electricity.

International negotiations over the crisis are under way. Mubarak said he hoped the issue would be resolved peacefully.

When asked, he said it was unlikely Israel would launch a nuclear attack against Iran "because Iran owns ballistic missiles that it will launch against Israel [BYE-BYE ISRAEL!! -- AND BYE-BYE U.S. IMPERIALISM!!] and there will be huge destruction."

Mubarak added that such an attack also would spark revenge from Iraqi groups, extremists religious parties and organizations such as the Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Mubarak spoke to the editors on his way back from a tour of Gulf states, including the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

" I SIDE WITH THE OPPRESSED AND THE SLAVES! -- ESPECIALLY THOSE IN *REVOLT*."

Hex...that is priceless!

You're negro "freedom fighter" persona is becoming quite entertaining.

especially the part where you talk about the valiant victories of the bugs over US soldiers.

LOL!

These koranimals have pretty much been reduced to killing civilians only. Of course they score some hits with IED's every now and again but hardly a tideturning event.

It's all about scoreboard hex. As long as plenty more of them are dying and being rounded up and thrown in Abu Graib and gitmo then our boys are, we're winning.

And as for the "palestinian" bugs. Well, let's just say that everyone of those that gets blown away by an American made munition is a US tax dollar WELL SPENT.

I don't advocate killing people - anyone, anywhere

It's against my religion ;


"A single human life is more valuable than all the treasures in the Universe"

"Our lives are more precious than all the treasures in the universe"

"Nothing in creation is more valuable, beautiful and wonderful than the human being. Not all the gold, oil and diamonds have the worth of one single human"

"I don't advocate killing people - anyone, anywhere "

Well then you are a naive fool.

And what religion might you be a part of there hex/JA?

And don't you think it's just a bit racist to have concocted such a foolish negro stereotype as your alter ego?

do a search - those are all three keyword phrases..

JA = Joseph Anderson

keyword "slave revolt radio"

He's a featured guest on a station in California.

I'm someone different

I designed, built, own & operate my own real on-the-air pirate station, primarily as an engineer, I never use my voice on the air, he does whole shows regularly using his voice..

I'm in the mid-west ~ 1,000 miles away, a few hours drive from an IMC where they also have a pirate station but which isn't on the air 24/7 like mine is

I posted a 15 minute sample of my normal programming yesterday, the sound quality (use headphones) is directly the result of hand-built circuits - the entire station from audio to transmitter is all designed and hand-built by me.

The sound you hear went through several stages of my design, over the air, then received by a standard FM tuner, recorded & encoded

Use a mp3PRO decoder to hear the full quality ;

http://www.mp3prozone.com/

either a stand-alone player
http://www.mp3prozone.com/assets/mp3PROAudioPlayer.exe

or the winamp plugin
http://www.mp3prozone.com/assets/mp3PROAudioDecoder.exe

JA doesn't do this, he only makes content..

He's a radio personality - I'm an engineer

He's proud of his content, I'm proud of my sound quality

I don't mean me personally.

But *you* can go ahead with Sam, frescky!

I'll catch up with y'all later.

Before you leave, let's say it together:

"LET'S INVADE IRAN...!! LET'S INVADE IRAN!!"

No you're not.

I'm sure google will turn up some slave radio revolt fool with the unimaginative name of joseph ANderson.

So what?

obviously you've been typing the posts attributed to JA.

His posts are as longwinded, nonsensical and lockstep jewbashing as yours are.

They ARE your posts with the exception of the silly attempts at ebonics.

Nope hex. It's clearly you.

- I'm someone different -
but while you were being someone else like JA, did you really type this?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

--ON *PURPOSE*!!

IT'S THE SIGN OF YOUR INFERIOR INTELLECT AND *DIM*-WITTEDNESS! THEREBY PROVING **MY** POINT!! YOU'RE A *FOOL* WHO SENT HIMSELF OUT ON A **FOOLS** MISSION!: Q.E.D.

HA-HA--HA...!!

(IT'S CALLED DOUBLE ENTENDRE. I WANTED TO MAKE *TWO* POINTS -- ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR FRESCKY)


SCORPO: JA... when I said I don't argue with "unarmed" people, I wasn't talking about actual, physical weapons... I was referring to your 'intellect'. It's clear that you failed to grasp this nuance, thereby proving my point."

HA-HA...!!



REPOST:

SCORPIE: "You're just a functionally illiterate,"

"You're just *A* functionally illerate" ...???

YOU CAN'T EVEN *WRITE* *OR* *TALK* RIGHT!

WHAT IS THAT?: *WHITE* EBONICS!???

HA-HA-HA...!! GET OWWWTTA HERE...!! ...YOU'RE NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME!! ...GO BACK TO *SCHOOL*!! ...*GRADE* SCHOOL!! ...THIS'LL TEACH YOU TO *GET* YOUR GRADE SCHOOL DIPLOMA!! ...STAY---IN---*SCHOOL*!! ...

HA-HA-HA...!!


(HOW MANY NATIONAL LITERARY AND POLITICAL JOURNALS OR MAJOR NEWSPAPERS HAVE *YOU* -- **EVER**, **EVER**, **EVER** -- BEEN ASKED TO WRITE FORMAL ARTICLES/COMMENTARIES FOR, SCORPO?

WHO FORMALLY CARES WHAT'S ON **YOUR** MIND, SCORPO!?)

P.S. THANKS -- **AGAIN** -- FOR THE LAUGHS!!

RE: [No you're not
by fresca Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 4:08 PM report troll post ]


YOU SEE, HEX, NOW THAT FRESCKY REALIZES THAT SHE'S BEEN ***ROYALLY** ***PLAYED*** IN THE OTHER THREAD ON "INFO ABOUT FRESCA/BECKY" BY ***MOI*** -- WHETHER OR NOT SHE'S BRESCKY -- SHE'S TRYING TO RUN THE SAME GAME ON YOU.

JUST IGNORE THAT.

YO FRESCKY!! YOU BEEN ***PLAYED*** BY THA MASTER!!

BOW *DOWWWN*!!

HA-HA-HA!!

whoa - maybe someone should go tell him then - tell him someone who calls himself "Hex" has been posting stuff using his initials, even posted his full name, even mentioned *where he can be found* to make it easy for you to..

delusion knows no bounds eh ?

"I agee" - naturally, and that's between "agreeing" I'm fresca herself

"BTW did you type this" - troll baiting

what's the matter goober did you overdo it and make it sore so you had to quit for awhile ?

maybe you & fresca should get together - you've both got the mental part down pat

I don't think Ned would be too happy but who knows seeing how he amuses himself calling the cable company maybe he wood

maybe he needs a substitute for his pickled pickle to tickle fresca

from the sounds of it either me or JA would be "uncomfortably" large for her, she's going to need something towards the microscopic end of the scale - something goober sized

hahaa

you posted that right while I was typing my last post

I just completed a spyware and BHO scan - was having some problems with outgoing ICMP's to random IP's according to my firewall

I think it was bittorrent - it stopped by the time I completed my scans, but bitcomet was running right before

by JA Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:22 PM
by JA Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:25 PM
by Hex Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:32 PM
by Hex Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:37 PM

at 5:25 JA finished typing a pretty big post and at the same time I was typing mine which I finished at 5:32

I didn't see his at 5:22 until I finished mine at 5:32 (I read very fast but I don't type particularly fast)

for 3 minutes we were both typing in two different threads simultaneously - according to the timestamps

how do you explain this oh deluded one ?

by JA Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:22 PM
by JA Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:25 PM
by Hex Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:32 PM
by Hex Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 5:37 PM



for 3 minutes we were both typing in two different threads simultaneously - according to the timestamps


No. wrong.

You clearly posted two missives as JA at 5:22 and at 5:25.

Then, seven minutes later you posted as hex at 5:32 and then again five minutes later.

No mystery. certainly no simultaniety.

Just four more inane posts from you spaced out over a period of fifteen minutes.

What exactly is your goal in pretending to be a colored crazy jewhater?

> You clearly posted two missives as JA at 5:22 and at 5:25.

Then, seven minutes later you posted as hex at 5:32 and then again five minutes later.



no - you didn't understand

when I hit this thread JA hadn't yet posted at 5:22, he posted it then went to the Becky thread *while* I was typing - the post I sent at 5:32 *took me slightly over 10 minutes* to type, when I posted it & refreshed I *then* saw his post at 5:22

*that's why I didn't acknowledge what he typed* because I had yet to see it until I posted at 5:32 then refreshed..

on top of that he went to the Becky thread and posted a bigger reply which he finished at 5:25

so during the time I was typing he finished a post I hadn't seen yet AND posted another reply, which I also didn't see until I finished at 5:32

so really he typed 2 replies during the time I was typing

obviously he's a much faster typer than I am (I only use one finger on each hand, my second finger on my right hand and my index finger on my left hand)

but in any case contact him - send him an email, leave a message/post, whatever on the slave revolt radio site and *tell him*

see what he says..

but if "I only use one finger on each hand " how did you mange to type this?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
cause I really need to know. 'Even me'

that's typist not typer hahaa

hey "norm" don't you have a date tonight with goober ?

better start getting ready - you know how long it takes to apply makeup


better wipe that off before you apply your foundation otherwise it'll SMEAR

if it smears how will I be able to read this:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

How else do you think I can clown frescky/Brescky while I'm at work (but, shhhh, don't tell my boss, even though he's a friend of mine) -- but usually over lunch or on a break or close to/after 5:00 for anything relatively long.

It slows down or interferes with my typing if I even *look* at the keys -- which sometimes I'll do if it gets really late at night (when I should be asleep anyway), or too early in the morning, and my finger positions veer off.

And actually Hex has been posting at LA-IMC a *LLLOT* longer and a *LOT* more than I have, as any sequential search would show, and his/her verbal and compositional style is a *LOT* different from mine -- UNLESS YOU ZIONOIDS ARE GOING TO COMPLIMENT HIM/HER ON HIS/HER *GREAT* SKILLZ!!

--IN WHICH CASE, *HEX* WHY NOT JUST TAKE A BOW!!

I SAY, LET A ZIONOID *FOOL* BE A ZIONOID **FFOOOLL**!!

--AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S **EASY** FOR FRESCKY!


RE: Hex:"obviously he's a much faster typer"

unfortunately, it will have to be 'another Pearl Harbor' in order to stampede
the herd over the fence into martial law.
There is no other way to persuade the now thoroughly annoyed American public into strapping themselves into another third world military junta.
By the way, JA, did you read this analysis from Hex?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

I was just grabbing all the adbuster pictures & videos, then checked back in

*while you'all were here* see ^

(notice the timestamps, I had to manually save & rename all of them)

looking at all of them, this is the one I like best

The major problem with an attack on the continental USA is the fear that another 'Spanish' revolution will occur and may cascade into open rebellion so...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
what do you think?

He appeared out of nowhere at the same time KPC disappeared after KPC has been posting pretty heavyly

(I wondered what happened to him)

here's his first post ;

Re: Fed UP
by Pete Nice Thursday, Jun. 23, 2005 at 5:06 PM



And now GG is liberated... deal with it, jerk!

The price of all fuel will skyrocket.
As will food, since they are directly related.
Rationing may occur.
Any 'terrest' attack will provide the excuse for contractors like Blackwell to enforce check points.
New Orleans was a trial run.
Hex breaks it down pretty good here:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
don't you think?

Sheep, that post of yours is just plain paranoid schizophrenic.

You truly are mentally ill aren't you?

I feel ad for you. I actually do.

You live in a world absolutely FILLED with all manner of things to fear.

God, it must suck to be you.

Awww fresca, so tired... of my paranoia? How about my
mean
petty
foul
spiteful...
oh that's right this thread, unlike others is not about me or you.
What did you think of the analysis Hex did?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
I think that about sums up the situation you are discussing.

RE: al CIAduh attacks
by al-CIAduh attacks Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 7:33 PM.

You know what, my history at LA-IMC doesn't go that far back -- although I've posted several articles over time -- usually by Jeffrey Blankfort here.

(Jeff grew up in L.A. and came from a Hollywood Jewish leftist family -- his father was a producer-agent or something. Anyway, Jeff grew up with lots of famous stars/singers traipsing through his parents' home. Some really famous ones Black. Oh, and Jeff is a great veteran photojournalist with some truly *FANTASTIC* photost! He specializes in black-&-white photos. He's got one *REALLY* fantastic photo that I won't even mention because he said he'd give me a break on it whenever I wanted to buy it -- and I don't want anyone else -- some rich L.A. person -- to financially snatch it up from 'under' me before I can afford it. I'll tell you all who it was later, if he still has a printable negative of it.)

I came down here for some reason (an article I saw or wanted to post -- I forget now), but stuck around for a while because Indybay IMC (up in the Bay Area) got rid of its comments page (probably because the Zio-Nazis were fucking with it), so it's not as useful for keeping up with and reviewing comment posts as it was before. And let's face it..., frescky is just ONE BIG *HOOT*, AFTER ALL!! ...AND WHO COULD JUST PICK UP AND LEAVE WHEN FRESCKY (AND NOW BRESCKY!) PROVIDES SO MANY *HOURS* -- *DAYS* -- *WEEKS* -- OF SHEER *ENDLESS* *LAUGHTER*!!? HA-HA-HA...!!

Although I didn't post the most recent article -- "Israeli influence in Washington: Jeffrey Blankfort interview (a MUST read)" -- AND IT *IS* -- I was going to post it this weekend. (And *nice* photo, whoever posted it.) I'm like Jeff's self-initiative volunteer 'agent', because I *LIKE* no-nonsense, intellectually *SERIOUS* people who are passionate about human rights -- and will stand up for *HUMANITY* and what is morally right over tribalism (something MLK warned about in one of his greatest speeches -- maybe his Vietnam speech), even if it's their own tribe that's oppressing someone else. I'D BE THE VERY SAME WAY! If African Americans were off oppressing some other group, I'd be like, "WHAT ARE THESE MUTHAFUCKAS *DOING*!!? -- AND *HOW* CAN WE (African Americans) BE OFF OPPRESSING OTHERS JUST LIKE *WE* WERE ONCE OPPRESSED OURSELVES IN AMERICAN JIM CROW APARTHEID OR PEONAGE (SHARECROPPER) SLAVERY!!?


From what I've seen of Hex, I think that he does *GREAT* work -- especially technical and archival research work. I don't have time to go back and review that thread that your URL referenced, al-CIAduh, but I *agree* with Hex's conclusion in the one post I read (but couldn't really follow because it referred back up to the rest of the thread): "I commend Johnk for allowing Scott's posts to stay up in the spirit of independent and critical thinking and for tolerance for other ways and methods of collecting the news, for keeping the spirit alive." I don't know who Scott is or whether I would or not agree with him, but I'm always open to "other ways and methods of collecting the news" -- especially if someone doesn't believe Sam (the U.S. govt) or our corporate/mainstream media and especially if they are sincerely and honestly trying to seek the TRUTH. What more can anyone ask?

" From what I've seen of Hex, I think that he does *GREAT* work"

Way to give yourself a pat on the back there hex.

I think it's actually sorta brilliant to have created this negro jackass persona which allows you to go to the extreme with your anti-semitism.

I mean your JA character just flat out HATES Jews.

If he were real he would be the first colored boy in the KKK.

Sorta creepy but efficient work hex.

He -is- a Whizz!
More than most, this analysis was one of his most brilliant.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
but others may have more.
We always want to see what Hex has typed about the imminent attack
from al-CIAduh.

> but others may have more ;

http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=133029#133069
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=123440#123442
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=122476#122680
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=121674#121981
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/119321.php
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/117001.php
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/116690.php
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=112755#112764
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=112375#112471
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=111576#111588
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=111576#111581
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=106498#106514
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=106230#106392
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=105581#105602
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=101379#101398
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=101379#101392
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=99458#99464
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/98501.php
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=76532#77544
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=74688#74936
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=52663#68873
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=66542#66815
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=65687#66199
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=64447#65003
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=59112#63463
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=61996#62027
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47110.php
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=30216#30319
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=31246#31334
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=31516#32837
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=32233#32855
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=32219#32856
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=31516#32872

How will we be able to read insights like this
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
from Hex/smashy

What a Whizz! He is so astute in his evaluations.
Just like you and smashy!
Look @ what he wrote.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
that paragon of newspeak!

but even you can't seem to top this particular comment
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
At least not for awhile.
:>)
Keep trying.

RE: "silly Billy still covering his ass
by Hex Thursday, Mar. 02, 2006 at 12:55 PM"

*FUNNY* PICTURE & **NIIICE TOUCH** with the animation Hex!!!

**COOOLLLL**...!!


Let me pat 'myself' on the back!! -- right frescky!?

It's so nice to have a fractured personality back in the same room.
So you liked this link?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
I know I do.

the picture is him - silly Billy (he hates it when I show people what he looks like)

animated gif's have to be linked to since this newswire re-encodes them keeping only the first frame

"Smashy" figured that out first and I looked at the HTML source when he posted one and copied his idea, so I add the URL's as a listing to my picture collection so anytime I care to show one I paste the link in using HTML formatting

I actually crawl the web now just for animated gifs along with normal ones..

Ironic that goober keeps accusing me of being smash the left, when in fact he's the one I got the idea from for the animated gifs

BTW - these gif's require no bandwidth at all from IMC, and posting pictures already on their server also requires only 1/2'th the BW and no additional server space

these measures help minimize the cost to IMC, I use Jpeg optimizer on everything I send to make them as small as possible using the "magic compress" option

the most BW I ever use is sending MP3's so I use mp3PRO likewise to make them as small as possible and only rarely send them knowing how big they can be compared to text and pictures

(video is the biggest so I've virtually never sent that and only mp3PRO'ed audio only occasionally for good reason)

Goober has sent hundreds of BS "chemtail" pictures and plugs back to his rip-off scamming web pages as free advertising

I did a check and found over 80 % of the chemtrail material (pictures and stories) *come from him*

In essence he IS the chemtrail scam..

IMC's won't allow him to post that BS anymore so he's extremely bitter and hateful towards me

I killed his free advertising cash cow greatly reduced the traffic to his scam site Alexa shows ;

http://www.alexa.com/data/ds/linksin?q=link:luxefaire.com/&url=luxefaire.com

so he hates my guts - and it shows in his posts that just drip with hostility

the thing is I don't have a thing against him personally, he just came up as one of the spammers in a routine sweep to try to clean up IMC

He's so dishonest he won't even admit it's him, yet my datmining clearly shows it is, not to mention his attitude towards me - he goes around "dogging" me any chance he gets like the above, hounding me as "punishment" for exposing his little scam.

Everytime I mention his website or real name he goes on a crusade..

do a search for "Sheepdog" "Hex" "luxefaire" and "billder" and you'll see what I mean

the Alexa link above shows he was using IMC for free advertising - almost all the links pointing at his website are on IMC's..

look at the dates - compare that time period to the keyword searches timestamps on here & google, and you will see exactly what I'm taking about

I killed his cash cow..

'I got the idea from smashy'
You mean they sewed up your corpus collusm and the ice colonic therapy is helping?
This little reading test will help.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
How did you do?

This is getting funny except for the possibility of nuclear war.
In order to delve into the minds of these creatures and their grasp on reality
read this link.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

I didn't even see any cuss-words or anything


> no level of utter depravity that a Leftist won't stoop to


feeling -um - insecure there big fella ?

HE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT *I* GOT THAT *he* ain't got!!

HA-HA-HA!!


Scorpo: "JA --- Pond Scum"

[ > JA said: "Since I posted just above your post at 6:23 AM (gee!! -- you were thinking of *ME* even then!! -- even as you were getting out of bed -- now I *KNOW* ya *WWWWANNNT* me!! -- you *WWWANNNT* this *BBBIG* *BBBLLLACK* *MANDINGO*, *don't* ya frescky!!? -- YOU CAN JUST *TAAAASTE* ME IN YOUR *MOUTH*, CAN'T YA FRESCKY!!) using my *REAL* name JA, but according to you -- HA-HA-HA!! -- "Hex" is my alias name, shouldn't you be thanking *ME* -- JA -- *BBBIG* *BBBLLLACK* *MANDINGO* -- for patting *myself* -- JA -- on the back!? " ]

Well let's look at what scorpi-hole's adult mentality encompasses -


hate, killing, death (pro-war)

old worn out commys-are-to-blame-for-everything accusations

pigeonholing sexuality into a tightly narrowly defined context that serves the war machine but which denies humanity it's true meaning - with any failure to do so condemned as immature and juvenile


which would you rather have ?

outside of the movement or otherwise, most people (sorry to inform you) pick sex over death

they would rather be fucking than killing...


oh how depraved !

besides, it's more fun ;)

"using my *REAL* name JA, but according to you -- HA-HA-HA!! -- "Hex" is my alias name, "

I don'y know what you're real name is hex. I do know that you seem to be some goofy jewhating ubernerd from back East and that you've concocted some cornbread bugalloo alter ego called JA that you use to post even more ridiculous and flat out nazi posts.

That's all I could possibly know about you personally.

It being utterly impossible to even remotely guess let alone actually determine someones true identity here.

we *do* know who is operating as a tag team for the Zionist lobby.
They should be careful since the state of 'Israel' is setting itself up to be
annihilated in this cooked up provocation.

now that you mention it (I'm typing this while the bird room is drying - we just cleaned, all the birds are in here with me right now)

Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source

So yes I believe this is true as it's not the first time it's come up

and considering Israel's size (square miles) hell it would only take 1 such missile to fatally cripple them

Somehow I doubt the US would punish them either with Russia and China (and North Korea ?) backing them up

matter of fact they might just say "good riddance" - sure would save us a lot of money at least..

Now don't get me wrong - I don't actually advocate nuclear annihilation - devoid the extremist element most of the people of Israel are actually pretty decent..

which is what the Durban resolution was trying to point out BTW

Some people never learn and would pull us all down with them - touching off WWIII for their own racist agenda..

Just for the drill, can you provide these sources?
Much of the pro-war preconditioning propaganda is the rumor
that Iran even has ant nukes.
We do know they are years away and absent any enrichment facilities.
According to western intelligence agencies.
Like the CIA.

The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm



Iran: A Bridge too Far? by Mark Gaffney. 10/26/04 "ICH" -- Last July, ... The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm





: HAS RUSSIAN AND CHINESE MISSILE TECHNOLOGY DOOMED THE US NAVY IN ..."The Sunburn missile has been sold to China. The SS-N-22s are part of a recent ... The Sunburn anti-ship missile is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship ...

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1449.cfm




In point of fact, a battery of Sunburn missiles can easily sink the largest ... And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half ...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=2439




Russia Ready to Vaporize the Jewish State And then kick America ...

http://vialls.com/myahudi/sunburn.html



----------------------------------------------------------------------

just a few of the many sources - Vialls was the first to break the story..

Yes we know about the Sunburn anti-ship missile and its formidable tool of deterrence.
You were talking about nuclear weapons.
And *sources* :
"Iran, and Syria do have [*]nuclear[*] missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source
"
Thank you in advance

But what does that have to do with
'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
Not trying to change the subject are we?
Still waiting for 'sources' about *nuclear* weapons in the possession of Syria and Iran.

But what does that have to do with
'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
Not trying to change the subject are we?
Still waiting for 'sources' about *nuclear* weapons in the possession of Syria and Iran.

Scorpi-hole writes;

> the mind of a 7th grade girl, stunted, stupid I hate you


comming from you that's a compliment

a little non-sense now and then, is cherished by the wisest men

frescky: "I don'y[???] know what you're real name is hex."

*YOU* ALREADY *TOLD* EVERYONE BEFORE!: IT'S JA/'HEX'!! -- AND YOU **WWWWANNNNT** ME!!

--SO BADLY YOU CAN HARDLY SPELL RIGHT!!

YOU WANNA *BUGALLOO* BETWEEN THE SHEETS WITH THIS **BBBIG BBBLLLACK MANNNDINGO**!!

YOU CAN JUST *TAAAASTE* ME IN YOUR **MOUTH**, CAN'T YA FRESCKY!!

LET'S GET *FRISCKY*, FRESCKY!!...

LET'S ENGAGE IN A LITTLE MUTUAL VERBAL FOREPLAY!! ...LET'S SAY IT TOGETHER!!: "LET'S INVADE *IRAN*!! ...LET'S INVADE *IRAN*!! ...LET'S INVADE *IRAN*!! ...LET'S INVADE *IRAN*!! ..."


OOOOO-OOOO....!! I **LOVE** IT WHEN YOU TALK **DIRRRRRTY**...!!

WAS IT AS GOOD FOR *YOU* AS IT WAS FOR *ME*...!!

MMM-MMMM... I NEED A CIGARETTE!! ...HOW 'BOUT *YOU*, FRESCKY!?...

HA-HA-HA...!!

that's what I thought, Hex/Scorpio, you are weak.
no sources at all, eh?
But you can provide 2nd grade graphics.
'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
I like *this* series of comments, however...

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
for sources...

2nd grade graphics



for your info the picture is real and that exact picture was a poster in the room of a genius in college who developed a new type of laser (he also wore bunny slippers)




> I like *this* series of comments, however...



> SLAP <


::sniff::

let me see...
did you type this?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I personally would like to see some beef between the BS degrees.
so these are your 'sources'?
like these?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

you wood ?

well this isn't that kind of place goober..

You'll only get to see the R-rated version on here

go to a porn site to see "the beef"

So smashy, you still haven't show us your "SOURCES" for this statement.

let me see...
did you type this?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I personally would like to see some beef between the BS degrees.
so these are your 'sources'?
like these?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

so you want to see some missles - you're obsessed with missles, beef , missles, beefy missles

goober's yellow-tipped goober

Again for Mr. Whizzard.

did you type this?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I personally would like to see some beef between the BS degrees.
so these are your 'sources'?
like these?
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
As always, I await your infantile graphics.

yes I'm sure you do

so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I really don't believe you can get out of this w/o your 'sources' being shown.

Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So we can do this for awhile.
Until and unless you provide some *creditable* sources.
Somehow I don't believe you *can*.

better have those eyes checked goober - they always said you could go blind from doing that

I guess there's some truth to it after all

Awwww.
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I really don't believe you can get out of this w/o your 'sources' being shown.

Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So we can do this for awhile.
Until and unless you provide some *creditable* sources.
Somehow I don't believe you *can*.

FRESCA WROTE: These koranimals have pretty much been reduced to killing civilians only. Of course they score some hits with IED's every now and again but hardly a tideturning event.

BECKY: I would not use the pejorative term "koranimals" but agree with Fresca's analysis of the current situation. Most Iraqi deaths are from other Muslim groups.

FRESCA WROTE: It's all about scoreboard hex. As long as plenty more of them are dying and being rounded up and thrown in Abu Graib and gitmo then our boys are, we're winning.

BECKY: I don't think the US is "winning" in Iraq. Maybe the newly elected govt. can hang on. Maybe the country won't erupt into civil war (it seems like civil war already!). But George Bush's Iraq war has been expensive, pre-emptive, unproductive, unwise, poorly planned, and has put us on bad terms with our allies. Pretty much a bust.

FRESCA WROTE: And as for the "palestinian" bugs. Well, let's just say that everyone of those that gets blown away by an American made munition is a US tax dollar WELL SPENT.

BECKY: I'm not sure who Palestinian bugs are, but I don't agree with this in any way. The USA is not about to kill Palestinian civilians. Nor would it be in the best interest of the US to do so. US policy in the mid-east should be for maintaining a calm or a peaceful co-existance.

Perhaps we can end these ridiculous time wastes where you (plural) accuse Fresca and me of being the same person (obviously we are not!!)

And where Fresca accuses Hex of being JA.
Fresca, Lee has seen JA in Berkeley. He's a real person, and just as bad as you think he is. Hex MUST be a different person---one who has better spelling.

About aid to Israel:

US aid to Israel is part and parcel of the 1979 peace treaty with Egypt which Pres. Carter brokered. It called for Israel to give back 94% of its occupied territories in exchange for a peace treaty with Egypt and $3 billion a year. Surely no person who is for peace, wants the USA to unilaterally undo the terms of the peace treaty 25 yrs later!!

Most other aid to Israel is in the form of loan guarantees. Since Israel has never defaulted on a loan before, this hasn't cost the US taxpayers anything extra.

IRAN AND ISRAEL"
re: the actual topic of this thread.
If Iran gets nukes they will use them as soon as they can.
Israel will not allow this to happen.
The USA better decide pretty quick which side we are on.
And there is no place for the US on the side of Iran.

Israel is the biggest ally of the USA.
This is a good thing.

It would be good foe all mankind if the criminal states of America and Israel
were to follow the disarmament procedures of these awful weapons.
Iran has every right to have them if these other criminal states do.
And since even the CIA says that they are 10 years away from the ability to create any. this is just an excuse to crush another of Israel's neighbor.

U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact

Summary

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630


Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240




Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.



When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion.
This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

> If Iran gets nukes / Israel will not allow this to happen.


it's aready a done deal - Russia has seen to it.

as for fresca's sexual hang-up's and hate with you *finally* confirming what you could have a long time ago when you first came here -

she's backed herself into a corner and is in danger of pulling you down with her

- ballast off a sinking ship


your P.R. excrement won't stand on it's own either

I proceed from the assumption everything you say is a lie - so I (provided I don't already have the data in my archive) simply keyword the exact opposite of what you claim and lo & behold the truth pops up ;

congressional budget reports


If you think any type of statistics and data will go unchallenged in your quest to P.R. us into becoming pro-Zionists, think again

Making a clean break from fresca was the only option you had left - doing so buys you an extention to post more P.R. tripe

or so you thought

So
AGAIN. LET'S SEE THESE SOURCES WHICH YOU SAID YOU HAVE FOR THIS STATEMENT.
Or is this going to be another crab dance?

The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm


Iran: A Bridge too Far? by Mark Gaffney. 10/26/04 "ICH" -- Last July, ... The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm


: HAS RUSSIAN AND CHINESE MISSILE TECHNOLOGY DOOMED THE US NAVY IN ..."The Sunburn missile has been sold to China. The SS-N-22s are part of a recent ... The Sunburn anti-ship missile is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship ...

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1449.cfm


In point of fact, a battery of Sunburn missiles can easily sink the largest ... And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half ...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=2439




Russia Ready to Vaporize the Jewish State And then kick America ...

http://vialls.com/myahudi/sunburn.html
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just a few of the many sources - Vialls was the first to break the story..


are you BLIND sheepdog ? here's a bunch of sources - I posted these from the get-go yesterday

WTF

notice the word N-U-C-L-E-A-R in them ?

I viewed your 'sources' and still haven't seen any reference to a
N-U-C-L-E-A-R
package being provided with this weapon.
It could have a BS warhead from all of your 'sources'.

When the end finally comes for Israel, it will all be over in microseconds. Flying faster than rifle bullets,the Sunburns will approach Tel Aviv and Haifa at twice the speed of sound, detonating in blinding white 200 Kiloton flashes designed to instantly transform animal vegetable and mineral into heat and light.”



Russia discreetly invoked MAD again, but this time in the Middle East in direct response to hysterical Israeli threats to nuke Iran with submarine-launched American Harpoon missiles. Quietly and with the minimum of fuss, Russia deployed its most advanced tactical nuclear missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran, thereby sending an unmistakable diplomatic signal that if Israel attacked Tehran or Damascus with nuclear weapons, Russia would in return instantly and anonymously vaporize the Jewish State.


This is not an idle or exaggerated threat. The Russian missile type deployed in Syria and Iran is the P270 Moskit [Mosquito], known in NATO circles as the SS-N-22 "Sunburn", once described by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher as "the most dangerous anti-ship missile in the Russian, and now the Chinese, fleet.” The ship borne version of this missile is launched from deck mounted quad tubes, but since Rohrabacher made his comments, Russia has adapted the Sunburn for submerged launch from submarines, air launch from Sukhoi 27s, and single surface launch from modified 40’ flatbed trucks. Nowadays, western defense experts unambiguously view all versions of Sunburn as the “most dangerous missiles in the world”.

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please work on your attention span the next time - you couldn't have read all those sources in a few minutes - you DIDN'T read them and you've been beating a dead horse over it for two days now..

What's your deal with being in denial about Russia supplying nukes to Iran & Syria (and China now too) anyway ?

what sources do YOU have to say otherwise ? the CIA ?

hahahaaa

geeze - you think they are the most evil agency in the world until they happen to say something *you want to hear* then suddenly their lies become truths ???

And this 'source' you point out?
Something you pulled from where the sun never shines?
It's always good to provide references from what ever spook shop you dig this BS up from.
I also notice you didn't reference the above excerpt.
That's not nice.
It's plagiarism.

Russia Ready to Vaporize the Jewish State And then kick America ...

http://vialls.com/myahudi/sunburn.html

Vialls was the first to break the story..


3'rd time now I've posted this..

but in your last reply you claimed there was *no mention of nuclear* -

"Russia deployed its most advanced tactical nuclear missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran"

what the hell is that then ???

Not - "well they're lying, you're lying", etc

you said *nuclear was not mentioned* -

"Russia deployed its most advanced tactical nuclear missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran"


care to explain yourself sheepster ?

Did he get these sources from the same place you did?
I would like to see how this nuclear weapons transfer from
Russia was established.
If indeed it ever was.
You think Russia would endanger their own state to arm
Iran with nukes?
Get real.

> I viewed your 'sources' and still haven't seen any reference to NUCLEAR

"Russia deployed its most advanced tactical NUCLEAR missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran"


and your reply ;


"I fucked up, I was busy doing something and didn't notice that"

"I missed it"

"my mistake"



no - it's "you're lying - did you pull that out of your ass ?"


So because you didn't see something YOU BUST MY BALLS over it, then when I rub your nose right in it so you *have* to see it, you then change the subject to *my* credibility.


Now I'm supposed to hold my aching balls in silence and become the all-knowing oracle for you - to help you out, doing the digging for you, when you've just finished hurting me, due only to your own blindness/ignorance/short attention span..


thank you may I have another ?


I'm not into S & M, you're lucky I talk to you at all. You can't even drop a line saying you didn't see it, like a decent human being, and insted continue striking out at me..

when you could have looked it up yourself in the first place (keyword: iran sunburn) which I suggested to begin with..


I didn't make you *not see the word nuclear* !


Do you really think I have nothing better to do than doing other people's research FOR them then being attacked for it as a show of gratitude ?

You dig these holes that you fall down into, I reach my hand down to help you back up, and you hit me in the balls, then when I'm laying there holding them, and you stand there and demand I help you some more - so you can hit me again !


You did this yesterday too - I posted all those links yesterday...

You can't provide any tangible ; here's the keyword here, EVIDENCE of
ANY nuclear transfer. Al you have is some *other* ( may I see some authority like an intelligence report?) author's confabulation ( without documentation) just like yesterday.
yawn....We know you need to establish ( for Israeli propaganda purposes ) the
'possibility' of Syria or Iran to have nukes.
Sure the Russians COULD have, but DID they?
Russians aren't known for sticking out their national neck for anyone.
And giving Iran or Syria nukes would be ultimate folly.
I don't buy it. From you or anyone without some EVIDENCE.
This is missing from your expose'.
You're trying like hell to make this inference.
That's what I *do* know.

I said that I am not Fresca when I first came to this thread. The reason I came, is MY NAME in the TITLE of the lead article!!

Hex, you've been attempting to claim that everything I say is wrong, but what have you accomplished?

Dozens of posts where you "proved" that Fresca and I are the same person, only to slowly but eventually figure out that what I had been saying directly all along was NOT a lie.
In fact, for all of your claims that my postings are "propaganda" and "lies" you haven't found anything on me, have you? You scoff at my sources, but haven't put up alternate sources which effectively refute my sources, have you?

Can you give some sources for your foreign aid to Israel figures? they seem quite high. Like adding in over a billion for interest that was never charged as if it were out of pocket aid ! Thats a stretch!

Also: if you add up $3 billion in aid since 1979, it comes to only $81 billion in 27 YEARS! YOU have it listed as $84 billion -Then you included 9 BILLION in aid which is NOT govt. aid at all, but donations from mostly Jewish Americans to charitable organizations. THEN you add in US interest on our national debt for the amount---I don't understand your logic here. why is Israel responsible for the debt on the US treasury?

So THEN you inflate the number to $134 billion! I REALLY need to see your sources before I can accept you data.

Then your final figure adds up 57 YEARS OF AID in a lump sum large enough to ENRAGE Americans, or so you hope.

Americans are just NOT going to get upset about $3 billion a year in aid to Israel since Israel is a close ally of the USA. And since Israel buys lots of American goods. And since Israel is on the front lines of the terror war. Helping Israel is helping ourselves.

George Bush just asked Congress for ANOTHER $89 billion for his Iraq war!! Three billion is NOTHING!
But you HAD to add in all this other stuff which is not reasonable and not fair, but with the purpose of inflating the figures with imaginery "benefits" which you've assigned a dollar value to and added in. Talk about creative accounting!!

But I really need to look at your sources to be able to make a final appraisal of the situation.

Remember, our biggest benefit from Israel is not financial. Israel is today, the largest exporter of medical technology. Yes, Israeli medicine is saving lives the world over. An intangible benefit---but when you consider what the Palestinians are exporting.....

Remember the famous Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan? What did HE contribute to the USA?

HEX WROTE: "...as for fresca's sexual hang-up's and hate with you *finally* confirming what you could have a long time ago when you first came here -."

BECKY: Are you blaming ME because you had decided that Fresca and I were the same person? And then you called me a liar. Does this post look at all familiar???

I am not Fresca
by Becky Johnson Friday, Feb. 17, 2006 at 7:48 PM report troll post
Santa Cruz, CA.

I try to use my real name as often as possible, and rarely use a pseudonym. I am no longer a member of Free Radio Santa Cruz. They purged me in a meeting where I was physically prevented from attending where they voted that I was not a member. So much for the "Free" in Free Radio. I was a member for nine years and twice hosted the station at my home.

BECKY: It should look familiar. Not only did I use my real name the first time I came in, the FIRST post I made was titled "I am not Fresca". NOW you blame me for "finally clearing things up which I could have done when I first came in."

Hex, since you've decided that I am a Zionist and that Zionists lie, you decided that what I was saying was "all lies" so you painted your own damn self in a corner.

Now you claim I have made some tactical decision to separate from Fresca (what did you think we were? conjoined twins?) for some political strategy on my part.

Can you get over yourself? I told the truth when I first came in. I told the truth on the terrible tape recording where five men were having a vicious argument with me on a public sidewalk---and where these same men took great glee in playing the tape on the air several times and trashing me publically for weeks afterwards.

but I told the truth despite all of that.

I've told the truth about Israel as I see it too. All your name-calling and psychoanalysing won't change that.
You can't win an argument by throwing mud at your opponent unless you make them run away.

In my case, you have to win using facts, sources, and logic--not phony charges of genocide and cooked books.

no that JA isn't me

"Lee saw him - Hex MUST be someone else"

you could have said so from day one - you didn't

> You can't provide any tangible


so you simply don't want to believe it - you don't have a scrap of evidence to say *why not* - you simply don't wish to accept the idea, refuse to actually READ the sources I posted (or google any yourself either)



> just like yesterday

"yesterday" you didn't claim "no mention of the word NUCLEAR" in the sources I provided

I've pointed out this error TODAY 3 times now and insted of "my mistake - I didn't see it"

you

1.) totally ignore the blatant error
2.) concentrate ONLY on refusing to accept the sources I provided you, as if me googling is some kind of conspiracy to GET you to believe it
3.) are too retarded and have too short an attention span to even do a bit of reading - a LOUSY researcher who wants instant answers that *only* agree with what he already believes



|||Summary|||

1.) anything you just happen to think - based on IGNORANCE - automaticly outweighs all evidence otherwise

2.) even when you make obvious and blatant errors (didn't see the word nuclear) you can *never admit your wrong*

gee - who does THAT sound like ?

3.) anytime evidence that you disagree with is presented you *automaticly assume* it's some CONSPIRACY to get you to



So I was right - the chemtrails BS is a cause looking for MENTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL ABUSIVE ASSHOLES like you.

Your beliefs are the product of your condition and have no bearing on reality or research

Paranoia is the reason of last resort when everything else fails

Being paranoid is part of your pathology - you need paranoia-for-all-occasions as a shelter to hide behind, as a crutch to prop your ego up with

Nope.
Providing references to non existent 'proof' which you now refer to, is not,
repeat, *not* proof or even evidence.
Even with your co workers running interference for you.
Here let's try this again.
Can you provide quotes from a creditable 'source' to ... (this is important) *support* the claim you have made that Syria & Iran *have* N-U-C-L-E-A-R weapons? Not just the potential delivery system.
And gee...anyone who is still reading this thread might think that you
are name calling in order to change the subject.
Come on, Whizz, it's all I ask.

" fresca's anti-arab and anti-black racism. "

ALL of my "anti-Black" racist comments have been made at the expense of hex as he poses as JA.


Believe what you want, I really don't care, but they are all done as a joking response to an equally ridiculous character.

And, they certainly are nowhere near as racist as hex/JA's flat out hatred of Jews.

Calling hex "colored" when he brings out the inanity of JA is NOT a racist comment.

But, again, it's really no big deal to me either way.

"America and Israel
were to follow the disarmament procedures of these awful weapons.
Iran has every right to have them if these other criminal states do. "


LOL!

That's actually funny sheep.

Look, some states like the US and Israel and other, clearly civilized and NON-MUSLIM states have evolved enough to have nukes. Sure it would be great if they didn't exist, but they do.

But obviously, the world cannot abide stoneage theocracies like Iran to have them.

But obviously you were kidding.

LOL!

Good one!

Did smashy go nuts and have you to cover for him while he calms down enough to play 'Hex' again?
Still waiting for some EVIDENCE or SUPPORTING intelligence assessments to provide any creditability to the claim made by your weasel co worker that Syria or Iran *have* any nuclear weapons.
:>)

> I viewed your 'sources' and still haven't seen any reference to NUCLEAR

"Russia deployed its most advanced tactical NUCLEAR missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran"


if all you can do is live in your own fantasy land and are *not man enough to admit you're wrong* while at the same time abusively trashing me just because you didn't bother to READ

I'm not dealing with this BS anymore - you are to be ignored from now on

go play with fresca - she appears to like "rough play"

multiply me into as many people as you like - it only shows people how mentally unbalanced you are

just like the bald-faced lying then being abusive over it does -




> I viewed your 'sources' and still haven't seen any reference to NUCLEAR

"Russia deployed its most advanced tactical NUCLEAR missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran"

As promised, I can now name the "source" of Hex's "information" on US Aid to Israel given above.

go to: http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

and the following chart is given:


U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630


Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

BECKY: The source (which for some reason Hex was reluctant to give) is the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs--- a slick "news" magazine that on the surfact looks like a Time or Newsweek. It is not.

WRMEA is published by Saudi Arabia. It's purpose is to disseminate mis-information which can be used to villify Israel.

Scott Kennedy of the Resource Center for Nonviolence in Santa Cruz used the WRMEA for his misinformation on Nadwa Sarandah. Despite two Palestinian men having been convicted for murdering her sister, Kennedy widely publicized that her sister had "been stabbed to death by a Jewish settler."

He was forced to write a retraction in the local paper, the Santa Cruz Sentinel.

found at: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/May/26/local/stories/15local.htm
May 26, 2005

For the record

A story on Page A9 Sunday about Israeli and Palestinian women working for reconciliation in the Mideast who were speaking in Santa Cruz incorrectly reported that a Jewish settler was responsible for the stabbing death of a Palestinian woman.
Based on information provided by Scott Kennedy of the Resource Center for Nonviolence, the story reported that the sister of Palestinian Nadwa Sarandah was stabbed to death by a Jewish settler in Jerusalem. In fact, a Palestinian was charged by Israeli authorities for killing her sister.

"While Ms. Sarandah has raised serious questions about the adequacy of the police investigation and the identity of the person who murdered her sister, it is incorrect to state that a Jewish settler was responsible for the stabbing," Kennedy said in a statement.

BECKY: Despite being caught perpetrating a huge hoax (that Jews murder Palestinian female social workers), Kennedy STILL uses WRMEA as a source.

No wonder. It always gives him the slant he wants to project.

HEX--I hope you are more scrupulous in your sources, but since you declined to cite the WRMEA as your source, perhaps you were already aware of its inherent bias and unreliabilty.

but then again you didn't actually refute the data other than to state your opinion

so now you're in the position of explaining how the *congressional budget report* the data its' derived from is *also* "biased & unreliable"

sure is a far cry from you just trumpeting how Israel "costs us no money" !

hahahahaaa

here's the coverage of the shows I'm carrying on 103.7 - all the shows (and then some) that you couldn't live with FRSC carrying

this area represents a population of ~ 70,000 people, and as you can see my footprint covers a good portion of it. The signal on 103.7 is mono so the stereo reception notes don't apply - mono has about twice the coverage that stereo has

your antics on here are directly responsible for this happening - go tell Lee you've given birth to another station like theirs but which you have no idea where the location is - see how pleased he is at that !

RE: "inherent bias and unreliabilty" - naturally !
by Hex Tuesday, Mar. 07, 2006 at 12:35 PM:

Hex/'JA': "but then again you didn't actually refute the data other than to state your opinion ... sure is a far cry from you just trumpeting how Israel "costs us no money" !"


HA-HA-HA...!! -- *INDEED*!!

BULLSHIT BECKO IS FORCED TO FALL BACK!!

YOU KNOW, WHEN BULLSHIT BECKO TRIED TO USE AN ARTICLE FROM A *ZIONIST* WEBSITE TO CLAIM THAT -- ACCORDING TO HER INHERENTLY BIASED AND UNEXAMINED BELIEF THAT EGYPT ATTACKED ISRAEL IN THE 1956 SUEZ WAR -- INSTEAD OF *EXACTLY* THE **REVERSE**!!...

I TOLD BECKO THAT OF *COURSE* SHE PICKED A *ZIONIST* SOURCE, BUT I USED HER OWN SOURCE TO SHOW THAT IT WAS INDEED **ISRAEL**, BRITAIN AND FRANCE THAT SECRETLY -- *YES* -- *CONSPIRED* TO ATTACK EGYPT!! -- BEFORE THE U.S. CHASED THEM ALL OFF WITH THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS -- ESPECIALLY ISRAEL!

I GUESS THAT BULLSHIT BECKO HADN'T ACTUALLY *READ* THE ARTICLE IN HER HASTE TO CUT-&-PASTE THE URL!! --HA-HA-HA...!!

(YOU KNOW, IN A MAFIA NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU JUST DON'T GO SET UP AND RUN YOUR OWN LITTLE ILLICIT, SAY CORNER DRUG, OPERATION WITHOUT ASKING THE *MAFIA* *FIRST*!

EISENHOWER WAS, IN EFFECT, TELLING ISRAEL, BRITAIN AND FRANCE, "IT'S NOT WHAT YOU *DID* -- IT'S THAT YOU DIDN'T COME ASK MY *PERMISSION* *FIRST*!! ...*REESPECT ME*!! ...I'M THA BIG DAWG ON THA WORLD BLOCK NOW!! ...*REESPECT* **ME**!!")

YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE **SO** IRREFUTABLE NOW -- LIKE WHO ATTACKED WHOM IN THE '56 SUEZ WAR -- THAT NOT EVEN THE *ZIONISTS* CAN *LIE* ABOUT IT ANYMORE -- OR THEY'LL JUST LOOK LIKE AS BIG A GODDAM **IDIOT** THAT BECKO DOES!

THE ZIONISTS CAN'T EVEN SAY THAT PALESTINE WAS "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE" **ANYMORE**!! -- OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHERE THOSE AT *LEAST* 750,000+ PALESTINIAN REFUGEES CAME FROM IN 1947-1948 ALONE -- (ALSO, *AMAZINGLY* ENOUGH, APPARENTLY A FACT NOT REFUTED BY THE ZIONISTS ANYMORE, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE BULLSHIT BECKO HAS AN EXPLANATION LIKE, "THOSE 750,000-1,000,000 PALESTINIANS CAME THERE THE DAY BEFORE!", or "THE JEWS BOUGHT 'EM ALL OUT of their land!") -- THAT THE ZIONISTS DROVE OFF!!

-- YOU KNOW, THE ONES WHO DIDN'T WANT THE ZIONISTS TO WIPE OVER MORE THAN -- AT THE LEAST, FOR THEN THE TIME BEING -- HALF OF PALESTINE OFF THE MAP AND TURN IT INTO ISRAEL -- LIKE **HITLER** TRIED TO WIPE POLAND OFF THE MAP AND TURN IT INTO GERMANY, BECAUSE THERE WERE ETHNIC GERMANS LIVING IN POLAND, AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE THERE HE WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OR ELIMINATE TOO.

AND BECKO'S SAID **NOTHING** ABOUT MY REFUTATION AND **DEMOLISHING** HER DUM FAT SHIKSE AS ON THAT BOGUS ZIONIST CLAIM -- USING HER *OWN* *ZIONIST* SOURCE -- EVER SINCE THEN.

--THAT IS, UNTIL SHE GOES AND REPEATS IT -- *RECYCLES* THAT PROPAGANDA CLAIM -- SOMEWHERE *ELSE* OR SOME OTHER TIME WHEN I DON'T SEE IT.

OH THAT BULLSHIT BECKO'S A **HOOT**!!

HA-HA-HA...!!

"here's the coverage of the shows I'm carrying on 103.7 - all the shows (and then some) that you couldn't live with FRSC carrying"

BECKY: Correction. I NEVER dictated which programming could or could not air on FRSC. I CRITICIZED two shows in particular for a one-sided diatribe against Israel with no balance. When I hosted the transmitter in my house, there were plenty of times Vinny or George's show was on broadcasting materials I disagreed with. But, unlike them, I believe in freedom of speech for my oponents. It's not like I went out and pulled the plug when their objectionable material aired.

Likewise, its on your head that you are broadcasting the questionable works of known Israel-bashers. You know what they say. What is your real motive? To get me upset?
Or will any pretext give you the opportunity to attack the Jews and Israel?

You know what they say. If it sounds like anti-semiticism and it feels like anti-semiticism, its probably not a duck.

"...but then again you didn't actually refute the data other than to state your opinion..."

BECKY: Got a little short attention span deficit, Hex? I DID critique your numbers earlier in a thread called "Smells like cooked books to me." (clever title, huh?)

EARLIER IN THIS SAME THREAD I WROTE:

Can you give some sources for your foreign aid to Israel figures? they seem quite high. Like adding in over a billion for interest that was never charged as if it were out of pocket aid ! Thats a stretch!

Also: if you add up $3 billion in aid since 1979, it comes to only $81 billion in 27 YEARS! YOU have it listed as $84 billion -Then you included 9 BILLION in aid which is NOT govt. aid at all, but donations from mostly Jewish Americans to charitable organizations. THEN you add in US interest on our national debt for the amount---I don't understand your logic here. why is Israel responsible for the debt on the US treasury?

So THEN you inflate the number to $134 billion! I REALLY need to see your sources before I can accept you data.

Then your final figure adds up 57 YEARS OF AID in a lump sum large enough to ENRAGE Americans, or so you hope.

Americans are just NOT going to get upset about $3 billion a year in aid to Israel since Israel is a close ally of the USA. And since Israel buys lots of American goods. And since Israel is on the front lines of the terror war. Helping Israel is helping ourselves.

George Bush just asked Congress for ANOTHER $89 billion for his Iraq war!! Three billion is NOTHING!
But you HAD to add in all this other stuff which is not reasonable and not fair, but with the purpose of inflating the figures with imaginery "benefits" which you've assigned a dollar value to and added in. Talk about creative accounting!!

But I really need to look at your sources to be able to make a final appraisal of the situation.

Remember, our biggest benefit from Israel is not financial. Israel is today, the largest exporter of medical technology. Yes, Israeli medicine is saving lives the world over. An intangible benefit---but when you consider what the Palestinians are exporting....."

BECKY: I did some reading since I last wrote this. Some other writers also critiqued these numbers for pretty much the same reasons I mentioned. I don't know what you are talking about when you say I am questioning the " congressional budget report" figures. Anyone (but you apparently, dear Hex) can see I didn't challenge the actual numbers ($81 billion is darn close to $85 billion) but challenged the METHOD used to expand and EXAGGERATE the amount of aid given.

Most informed readers know that US foreign aid is a very small part of the US budget---less than 1%. So even if you can say that before Iraq, Israel was the largest recipient of foreign aid (a fierce ally of the United States I might add---not a country where people dance in the streets as 3000 Americans die) its really no big deal.

So YOUR argument was that I didn't REFUTE the data. Well I have refuted it and identified why the source is extremely biased and questionable. You are going to have to come up with a better, more persuasive argument.

?TRIED TO USE AN ARTICLE FROM A *ZIONIST* WEBSITE TO CLAIM THAT -- ACCORDING TO HER INHERENTLY BIASED AND UNEXAMINED BELIEF THAT EGYPT ATTACKED ISRAEL IN THE 1956 SUEZ WAR -- INSTEAD OF *EXACTLY* THE **REVERSE**!!..."

BECKY: History clearly shows that the first act of the 1956 war was when Egypt blocked the Suez canal to Israeli shipping---which Israel considered an act of war. All events after that point were triggered by this first act on the part of Egypt.

As for Zionist, Lefitst, Israeli, corporate media, or Right-wing sites -----NONE are completely reliable and ALL have SOME correct information. It's important to read the issue from several points of view--and then like a detective, adding up clues, approach what you hope is some semblance of "the truth."

"YOU KNOW, THE ONES WHO DIDN'T WANT THE ZIONISTS TO WIPE OVER MORE THAN -- AT THE LEAST, FOR THEN THE TIME BEING -- HALF OF PALESTINE OFF THE MAP AND TURN IT INTO ISRAEL -- LIKE **HITLER** TRIED TO WIPE POLAND OFF THE MAP AND TURN IT INTO GERMANY, BECAUSE THERE WERE ETHNIC GERMANS LIVING IN POLAND, AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE THERE HE WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OR ELIMINATE TOO."

BECKY: 80% of PALESTINE went to form the Arab/Islamic monarchy of Jordan. Jordan then passed a law to ban selling any land in the country to any Jew.

Of the remaining 20%, half was to go to form Israel and half to form a SECOND Arab/Islamic country--hopefully a secular democracy. THAT never happened because the ARab leaders instead decided to wage a genocidal war against the Jews. THey lost.

The only comparison to HITLER you should be making is that the ARAB LEADERS were trying to do the same thing HITLER tried to do: genocide the Jews.

Comparing what the Jews did in 1948 (fought for independence and to prevent annihilation) to Hitler is monstrously offensive. It was NOTHING like what Hitler did when he invaded Poland. He contrived an excuse to grab land he had no right to by military force--while the Jews WAITED for the UN to vote to create Israel in a LEGAL process.

The difference is monumental.

> one-sided diatribe

> objectionable material


if truth is "one-sided" it's only because the lies are to begin with

that's a side I can live with




> on your head that you are broadcasting the questionable works of known Israel-bashers


is that anything like it being on my head for allowing my taxes to fund genoside ?

My religion has something to say about that - which far outweighs anything *you* have



> attack the Jews and Israel


odd isn't it how the word *ZIONIST* never passes your lips



> anti-semiticism


ah - that old chestnut, what pro-Zionist con job would be complete without it !




> critique your numbers

but the burden of proof for you is just whatever flies out of your mouth, whereas the "cooked" figures are straight from *congressional budget reports*

You have this quip about attention span - did you think it escaped my attention that WRMEA is on the S.H.I.T. list ?

it would be to your great benefit if I did have ADD

speaking of which, none of the people killed by JDL terrorists seem to pass your lips either - that was really amusing when you attempted to sugarcoat their crimes "at least they phone in bomb threats" - as if some bomb threats are harmless


hahaha really smooth, but what really tickled me was you then tried to use a few such examples to *ignore and cover up* all the cases where people DID die at the JDL's hands

WOW - talk about "one-sided", complete blindness when it suits you

just as the genoside of an entire race of oppressed people - as agreed upon by the UN and nearly every country in the world

that's one skeleton you'll never be able to hide, or dress up like the JDL fiasco in pretty designer clothes


who do you think you're fooling here ?

do you actually think for one second I or anyone else on here is buying your S.H.I.T. ?

Are you just here blabbering away for your own comfort ?




> dance in the streets


well if we could just get Israel to dance rather than suck billions of our tax dollars to SPY on us, coax us into war after war and commit genoside, we should be so lucky


an emotionally charged *false* distraction

here, I'll throw you some candy and watch you dance, then use the footage to show how dangerous candy eating children are, compared to nukes and other "harmless" military hardware

gee I wonder how much candy we could buy with all the money spent on DEATH


talk about a dog & pony show !



> identified why the source is extremely biased and questionable.


yeah so did I - because it's on your S.H.I.T. list


unless and until you have hard figures from something more reliable than congressional budget reports and the general accounting office, I'm afraid readers here will remain unconvinced

The source being on the your S.H.I.T. list isn't a refutal - matter of fact it lends credibility



> some semblance of "the truth."


oooh - whitewash city here we come !

yes we know how your leader and the P.R. manual says the truth doesn't matter, it's a plaything to be tossed around.

fortunately most people aren't that cavalier and callous with the truth

but then again most people don't make a life out of consuming P.R. excrement then "reforming" it on others




> Jews did in 1948

and another history lession..

it's not good enough that you have to lie about the here & now, you feel the past needs trompled on as well

once more Becky - who in the hell do you think you're fooling ?

HEX WROTE: "...on your head that you are broadcasting the questionable works of known Israel-bashers"

is that anything like it being on my head for allowing my taxes to fund genoside ?

BECKY: I would say that you are a little more pro-active by broadcasting anti-Israel propaganda night and day than by simply paying your taxes for various US functions, some of which you agree with (repair of highways, schools, etc) and some which you don't --Iraq.

BTW WHAT genocide? Rwanda? East Timoor? Sudan?
Algeria? SURELY you are NOT accusing the Israelis of genocide. First, only 4,000 + dead in SIX years on BOTH sides. Second, its the PALESTINIANS who keep calling to genocide the Jews who their Imams shout from the pulpits are "infidels" and the "sons of pigs and apes" who should be "driven into the sea." Israel has no such policy and never has.

Don't take my word for it! See the video yourself!!
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=SP90805

HEX WROTE: odd isn't it how the word *ZIONIST* never passes your lips

BECKY: I use the word Zionist when appropriate. You use it as a code word for "Jews." Let me prove it. How do you feel about (secular Jewish) Zionists? How do you feel about (religious Jewish) settlers? How do you feel about (Arab/Muslim) Israelis?

Why is it that criticism of Israel's 1.2 MILLION Israeli Arabs never passes your lips? Could it be they aren't Jews?

HEX WROTE: none of the people killed by JDL terrorists seem to pass your lips either

BECKY: So HOW MANY PEOPLE have died from "JDL Jewish terrorism?" The numbers are so minor and so dated, the only reason to even bring it up is so that gullible readers will think that the Israelis are just as bad as the Palestinians when it comes to killing innocent civilians.

Again--HEX--and you've been avoiding this one like the plague--why is it that less than 5% of all Palestinian deaths are of women? If Israel were shooting into people's windows, shooting into crowds of demonstaters, or at groups clumped at the checkpoints, THEN you would expect to see a ratio of male to female deaths similar to the gender distribution in the general population. THe disproportionality of male deaths indicates that these males were somehow involved in active militancy. Likewise the deaths of "children" virtually all boys aged 13-17 is NOT matched by similar deaths in girls.

The Palestinians SEND their boys to throw rocks, molotov cocktails, and teach them to use guns as children in what can only be described as child abuse. When they get hurt or killed, they become propaganda tools to be exploited.

HEX WROTE: but what really tickled me was you then tried to use a few such examples to *ignore and cover up* all the cases where people DID die at the JDL's hands

BECKY: I commented on the first SIX examples in your list. I felt it unneccessary to go on. I had already proved my point.
But perhaps, Indymedia readers WOULD like the know the final death toll from JDL Jewish terrorists, as you call them.
Why don't you give us THAT number and prove me wrong?

HEX WROTE: just as the genoside of an entire race of oppressed people - as agreed upon by the UN and nearly every country in the world

BECKY: Huh? Genocide? Hex, you need to invest in a dictionary. Genocide is when you MURDER an entire people. There are a few million too many Palestinians still alive and walking around to dispute your claim. Can you give us the DEATH TOTAL of Palestinian Arabs who died from 1948 to date? So what percentage of the Palestinian population have died due to warfare since 1948?

Last I heard, the Palestinian population on the West Bank INCREASED THREE-FOLD since 1967. Genocide? You don't apparently know the meaning of the word!!

HEX WROTE: well if we could just get Israel to dance rather than suck billions of our tax dollars to SPY on us, coax us into war after war and commit genoside, we should be so lucky

BECKY: Again, US aid to Israel has been a tiny drop in the bucket (much, much less than 1% of the US budget). Israel SHARES INTELLIGENCE with the USA. The good thing about that is the Israelis actually SPEAK AND UNDERSTAND ARABIC which our CIA hasn't mastered yet. This alone is a huge contribution to America's defense.
Finally, if Israel was the single most important factor in the US decision to invade Iraq, why is it that they were shaking their heads in disgust a mere two months into the invasion? That's because IDF advisors emphasized the need to seal the borders between Iraq and Iran right away. Bush ignored this advice to his detriment. So much for your claim that the Israelis hold so much sway on US foreign policy.

HEX WROTE: > identified why the source is extremely biased and questionable.

BECKY: Saudi Arabia, which surrepticiously publishes the WRMEA, does not even allow a copy of the Torah or the Bible in their country. Saudi royals have been sending checks to suicide bombers in Israel. One of the Royal family signed a check that paid for an apartment of one of the 9/11 bombers. Saudi Arabia does not allow Palestinians to immigrate there. Why wouldn't the WRMEA let readers KNOW its a Saudi publication? You use its reports at your own risk. Look what happened to Scott Kennedy when he used the WRMEA as a source!

found at: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/May/26/local/stories/15local.htm

HEX WROTE: Jews did in 1948

and another history lession..

it's not good enough that you have to lie about the here & now, you feel the past needs trompled on as well

BECKY: You can't accuse me of lying and fail to say what the lie was. That's not even an attempt at refutation. What I presented is accurate as far as I know. My analysis of the WRMEA budget figures did NOT question the figures from the Congressional budget office, but challenged the add-ons of iinterest we COULD HAVE CHARGED BUT DIDNT, private contributions, and interest on the US debt which don't belong on the AID TO ISRAEL list.

If we remove these added in figures, which really don't belong, and only count ACTUAL DOLLARS DELIVERED TO ISRAEL, then divide the last figure (taxpayer cost per Israeli)
by the 57 years it covers, that comes out to 1.3 billion per year. Divide that by the 7 million Israelis who received the aid, it comes to $185.5 per Israeli per year.

Benefits we get from Israel include:

a. shared intelligence
b. IDF tests our weaponry so we don't have to
c. American products sold in Israel
d. a safe place for US ships and planes
e. a source for state-of the art technology & research
f. the most premier medical research in the world
g. much IDF aid buys US weapons, so the money goes
right back into the US economy

BTW: with all my years of activism, I could have WRITTEN the PR manual! I mean I know how to lobby my congressman! Any good activist should know how to do this. Yet you choose to villify me for this. You are clutching at straws.

Finally---I don't understand your suicide Barbie bomber photo. What is the point? Isn't it PALESTINIAN TEENAGERS who are most likely to strap on a suicide/homicide bomb belt? Maybe you harbor a deep dislike of women?

Genocide is too easy.
Personally I accuse them of fatal stupidity.
Israel is far too close to the nuclear power keg which happens to be itself.
This why so much rumor is being hung up on the flagpole to see if it flaps about * other * countries having them, using questionable and dated sources.
Which upon inspection dissolve into unverified 'raw data'.
Excuse me for interrupting your punch & judy side show.
:>)

> broadcasting anti-Israel propaganda

I bet you say that to all the boys (FRSC comes to mind)


but seriously notice how truth becomes lies (propaganda)

this particular distraction is getting old



Re: taxes

> some of which you agree with

who's to say that I agree with any taxes at all ?



> SURELY you are NOT accusing the Israelis of genocide


no the U.N. and virtually every country in the world is (see above about old)



> the PALESTINIANS who keep calling to genocide

yeah well shouting is one thing - DOING is another.. The U.N. didn't feel stongly enough *once they looked at all the facts* to condemn them despite Israel's bullying


> I use the word Zionist when appropriate. You use it as a code word for "Jews."

no Becky you *avoid* using it at all, even DAFKA is rated as pro-Zionist on google, wikipedia, etc but you tried to deny it and argue the point, tried to say it was just ME calling DAFKA that - another lie


> criticism of Israel's 1.2 MILLION Israeli Arabs never passes your lips? Could it be they aren't Jews?

could it be they aren't ZIONIST's ? they aren't the problem or subject

trying to hide behind their skirts too...



Re: JDL terrorism

> as bad as the Palestinians

yeah Becky, the Palestinians are HERE threatening and killing activists for getting the truth out



Re: civilians in an occupied combat zone killed by 4'th largest army in the world

> you would expect to see

immaterial - we're talking about invaders occupying with military hardware, not kids throwing rocks, this being so, your walk down rhetorical lane doesn't appeal to me


Re: the HUGE list of JDL terrorism cases directed mostly at American citizen atcivists

> I had already proved my point

you proved sweeping crimes you don't wish to address under the rug lends you comfort


> give us THAT number and prove me wrong

I posted the list - it stands on it's own merits, anyone who's curious can simply see for themselves - it's not just the number of deaths, it's the contexts and circumstances - the JDL commits these crimes HERE, to squash the truth getting out and chill debate - I urge the curious to simply look at the list and see for themselves


http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp



Re: genoside

> you need to invest in a dictionary

I'll loan it to the U.N. and almost the whole world too then - I bet it'll be pretty tattered by then though


> Genocide? You don't apparently know the meaning of the word!!

see abouve...


> US aid to Israel has been a tiny drop in the bucket

Israel is only .001 % of the world population yet they get 1/3'rd of all U.S. aid, plus they get it in a way that causes us extra tax burden via interest on the "loans" which they never have to actually pay back because they keep getting extra aid to cover that too

really it's just a massive handout at our expence - according to *congressional budget reports*




Re: WRMEA

none of that changes the *fact* that the data is directly from *congressional budget reports*

your trojan horse argument doesn't hold water by failing to acknowledge this simple fact



Re: Becky's "history" lessions

> not even an attempt at refutation


Well I'm glad you're starting to see a pattern - of me *not* jumping at your command to refute whatever's on the P.R. menu today ;




a. shared intelligence
b. IDF tests our weaponry so we don't have to
c. American products sold in Israel
d. a safe place for US ships and planes
e. a source for state-of the art technology & research
f. the most premier medical research in the world
g. much IDF aid buys US weapons, so the money goes
right back into the US economy


massive spying on us - thanks !

tests on defenseless civilians in an occupied land - thanks !

American impliments of DEATH, while Israel sells us much more (trade imbalance) - thanks !

technology we pay dearly for by supporting the Israel welfare state - we'd be better off doing it here insted of taxpayer funded offshore outsourcing - thanks !

medical research that again would be better done here cheaper (more trade imbalance) - thanks !

buying weapons *with our own money* - from the TAX PAYERS POCKETS - the defence contractors get rich, Israel gets to commit genoside and we the taxpayers get SCREWED - thanks !



well that's some deal - and I'm just bubbling over with gratitude



> I could have WRITTEN the PR manual / you choose to villify me for this.

I don't need to - your P.R. speaks for it'self

that you would be proud of it speaks more



Re: suicide Barbie bomber photo

> Maybe you harbor a deep dislike of women?

hahahaa

actually I admire it !

hahahahaaaaa


but all seriousness aside, if barbie had dark skin and wore a turban I suspect you would have taken a far cheaper shot than you did




> Excuse me for interrupting your punch & judy side show.

I tire of it & her, why don't you take over for while

comon', help a bro out

I've got better things to do besides sit at the computer all day playing P.R. badminton, like get more *radio shows* to air, listen to music, have a good time, have a LIFE - things like that


Ms. P.R. extraordinaire, while fairly good at her assignment, seems to be lacking in such activities and motivations

It takes little effort (yet it's a full time job for her - with overtime) to expose and neutralize her poison but it *does* take time to type, time I'm better off using elsewhere

Go away, Becky.
This is boring listing to both of you squabble.
Israel is only a small patch of real estate. Any nuclear exchange will involve them.
Vola! Israeli / Palestine problems all solved.

HEX WROTE: I use the word Zionist when appropriate. You use it as a code word for "Jews."

no Becky you *avoid* using it at all, even DAFKA is rated as pro-Zionist on google, wikipedia, etc but you tried to deny it and argue the point, tried to say it was just ME calling DAFKA that - another lie

BECKY: I simply don't self identify as a zionist. Nor am I a zionist by my own interpretation of the word. Zionism achieved its goal in 1948, in my opinion.

I don't know how google or wikipedia came to name the site pro-zionist. Lee might even have done it for all I know. I just don't call myself a zionist nor believe that I am one. Where I have common ground with actual zionists is that I support the right of the Jewish people to their homeland in Israel.

You want to label me, and then condemn anyone with that label.

EXHIBIT A


> criticism of Israel's 1.2 MILLION Israeli Arabs never passes your lips? Could it be they aren't Jews?

could it be they aren't ZIONIST's ? they aren't the problem or subject..... trying to hide behind their skirts too...

BECKY: who's hiding? I use my real name and the town where I live.

HEX WROTE: "we're talking about invaders occupying with military hardware, not kids throwing rocks, this being so, your walk down rhetorical lane doesn't appeal to me..."

BECKY: First, you have discounted that Jews have lived in Israel and its environs for over 3,000 years continually. These Jews are not "invaders"
Second, you use the word "occupation" as though this was an uncontested issue. I could just as easily argue that the Jews in 1967 freed Samara and Judeah from the Jordanian occupation! The proper term is "disputed territories".
Third, if it were only boys throwing rocks, the mideast would be a much better place. But you and I and every reader here knows we are talking about knifings, shootings of people waiting at bus stops, kidnappings, kassem rocket attacks daily, snipers, vandalism, and suicide bombings despite your attempt at photo-op PR.
Fourth, you have now not answered:
A. why so few Palestinian women get killed if the military hardward of the IDF is so busy genociding them
B. How many people died in the entire history of the JDL?

Seems like you're the one throwing the rhetorical red herring out there to distract readers with.

HEX WROTE: > US aid to Israel has been a tiny drop in the bucket

Israel is only .001 % of the world population yet they get 1/3'rd of all U.S. aid, plus they get it in a way that causes us extra tax burden via interest on the "loans" which they never have to actually pay back because they keep getting extra aid to cover that too

really it's just a massive handout at our expence - according to *congressional budget reports*

BECKY: I said ALL FOREIGN AID is a tiny drop in the US budget --less than 1% and Israel only gets a portion of that.
Iraq in only a few short years now gets FAR MORE AID than Israel has gotten in 56 years!!!

HEX WROTE:
Re: WRMEA

none of that changes the *fact* that the data is directly from *congressional budget reports*

BECKY: Hex, try to keep up. I do not dispute the raw data from the congressional budget reports. I agree that Israel has gotten about $75 billion in aid from the USA in the past 57 YEARS. What I dispute are all the add-ons that have nothing to do with cash in the pockets. the WRMEA was obviously trying to inflate the numbers. but even then, they pale in comparison to dollars going to Iraq----AND you havent even started to address that the $3 billion a year is part of the USA's written agreement in 1979 signed in the peace treaty with Egypt. Do you REALLY want to tear up that peace treaty now? And if you do, what kind of peace advocate does that make you?

Try using some critical thinking skills instead of mouthing empty rhetoric next time. People can tell.

"...tests on defenseless civilians in an occupied land - thanks ! "

BECKY: So what are you alleging? Are you saying Israel unpacks a new grenade launcher and automatically starts lobbing 'em into Palestinian villages? Can you give A SINGLE EXAMPLE where the IDF tested US military weapons on defenseless civilians in Samaria or Judea? Or are you just blowing hot air?

HEX WRITES: medical research that again would be better done here cheaper (more trade imbalance) - thanks !

BECKY: Too bad we aren't doing it and they are, but you can't blame the Israelis for being too far ahead in their medical research!! (oh, wait! You just did!). And the trade imbalance is hardly unique to Israel.

HEX WRITES: "...technology we pay dearly for by supporting the Israel welfare state - "

BECKY: Okay. Here's the LONG answer to that. When Israel returned 94% of the lands it conquered in 1967 to Egypt, it gave up the only oil resources it now had.
The Arab countries will not sell ANY oil to Israel. So Israel has to import oil TO the mideast from Venezuela for ten times the cost. Because of the disadvantaging factor Israel would suffer once returnng the Sinai peninsula to Egypt, Pres. Carter agreed to obligate the USA to pay Israel $3 billion a year after that. Israel agreed. Egypt was to get the Sinai back without a fight, AND the USA would give them $2 billion a year. THey agreed. So if you want to call Israel "a welfare state" for this, knock yourself out, but its far from accurate.

Becky's latest tactic - when you can't dispute the data, simply go around it



here she slyly goes from making any critique of Zionism in general equal to 'a code word for "Jews."' (that old standby) to talking about *herself*, when the subject isn't about her at all


> *I* simply don't *self identify* as a zionist. / Nor am *I* a zionist / You want to label *me*


side-stepping the issue entirely, which is the continued hiding of Zionism behind "Jew" in order to condemn any anti-Zionist sentiment into anti-semiticism

So she's decieving in three parts ;

1.) equating anti-Zionism anti-semiticism
2.) denying there are Zionists by denying Zionism exists at all
3.) switching from Zionism in general to her own thoughts/beliefs *about* Zionism


slippery slidy teflon coated AVOIDING THE SUBJECT by changing the context games...


And here she does it again - converts the debate from what Zionists in general do, to what *SHE'S* doing or not doing ;


ME> trying to hide behind their skirts too... (Zionists generally)


"who's hiding? I use my real name and the town where I live."

that's not what the contention is - it's not about *YOU*, it's about *what Zionists do*, it's not about physically hiding either, it's about hiding agendas, thoughts, values and actions

not people, places literally physically hiding, and not YOU


double whammy deception again



Then she - once more - attempts to justify genocide and oppression with yet another history lession which just happens to show the inherent racism of Zionism ;

> you have discounted that Jews have lived in Israel and its environs for over 3,000 years continually


taken in the context of justifying genocide/oppression this is the foundation of why Zionism is racist




the whole reply was nothing but floor-flushing games then she's got the gall at the end of it to throw this jewel out ;


"distract readers with."


so once again we see truth and data means nothing to her - it's just a game where she wiggles around throwing up smokescreens until she either confuses the reader or effectively hides the ISSUES behind them

either way the intent is the same - to avoid the issues which are important to US (genocide and oppression and how much or our tax dollars are sucked away to support it) while substituting her own non-issues like what her personal feelings are or where her physical location is, with a sprinkling of "history 101 Zionist style" to dress it up so the mess she just tried *intentionally* to make out of the debate will go down easyer.

or in other words, when you can't dispute the issues, trash the debate



Re: the percentage of foreign aid Israel gets (33 % when they are only .001 % of the population)


> I said ALL FOREIGN AID / US budget

who cares what you said - that has nothing to do with the issue - the figures stated are accurate & correct, the total US budget has nothing to do with it, you only bring it up (*after lying about this issue to begin with) as a smokescreen to make it seem "not so bad"

it IS so bad because it works out to ~ $23,000 per Israeli - as much or even more than our own government *spends on US*

and we're the ones who'll have to foot the bill in the national debt which is 8.2 trillion dollars and climing..


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif



> Try using some critical thinking skills instead of mouthing empty rhetoric next time. People can tell.


Yes Becky we can - it's blatantly obvious that you refuse to deal with the issues and so throw up smoke screens and change the contexts and subjects to hide and obtusely obscure them.

intentionally too - we know you're smart enough to know what you're doing and you use this dubious "skill" to attempt to further the cause of Zionists while simultaneously denying it exists and that you're doing it

even trying to evade Zionism it'self !

so, does this represent your best effort, or are we to be treated to an even lower and sneakyer game yet to come ?

Re: Israel's use of military hardware on civilians in the occupied lands


> Are you saying / Can you give A SINGLE EXAMPLE / in Samaria or Judea


rhetorical

I said what I said and nothing more

trying to suck me into a example/situation of *your own making* - I never *specified* a particular time or place or example



Re: Israel's massive welfare handouts being used to gain unfair competitive advantage and further erode our trade imbalance as our "ally" in medical research


> can't blame the Israelis for being too far ahead in their medical research!! (oh, wait! You just did!). And the trade imbalance is hardly unique to Israel.


Not unique in it's own right but unique in the fact that Israel gets a *far bigger share of foreign aid* to do so with than any other country that actually has a trade imbalance with us

So yes I do blame - in both those aspects



Re: Israel's dependence on petroleum, but the cost being only a small percentage of the total welfare we hand out to them


> The Arab countries will not sell ANY oil to Israel. So Israel has to import oil


Perhaps it has something to do with Israel going around *starting wars* trying to *take* other countries petroleum supplies *by force*, along with Israel being a big source of instability and a security risk in that region - according to the vast majority of peoples in said region and people here ( ~ 40 % of the American public )

world-wide opinion is especially negative regarding Israel because the mass media isn't nearly as shuttered and controlled as it is here

We live in a virtual media blackout compared to most other parts of the world and American opinion is still around 40 % negative whereas it's over 90 % world-wide

WELL FIRST BEKCO HAS *CONSTANTLY* ARGUED THAT PALESTINE WAS *NOT* A COUNTRY!

*NOW*, SHE'S SAYING THAT PALESTINE *WAS* A COUNTRY -- THE ZIONISTS ALWAYS TRIP UP THEMSELVES LIKE THAT -- BUT IT WAS A SMALL PART OF THE *COUNTRY* CALLED "PALESTINE" -- "WHICH NEVER EXISTED", ZIONISTS SAY -- WHICH IS JORDAN!

DID YOU ALL FOLLOW THAT BACK-&-FORTH ROUND-&-ROUND 'ARGUMENT'!!??

WHAT DID ALL YOU ZIONISTS CALL PALESTINE ON TUESDAYS AND FRIDAYS IF IT WASN'T RAINING AND RABBI SHLOMO'S FEET WEREN'T HURTING, BECKO!?


BULLSHIT ARTIST BECKO: "80% of PALESTINE..." AND, THEN, "Of the remaining 20%, half was to go to form Israel and half to form a SECOND Arab/Islamic country--hopefully a secular democracy.-- [ WHICH *ISRAEL* ITSELF *ISN'T*!! -- IT'S A SPECIFICALLY IDEOLOGICALLY SELF-DEFINED **JEWISH** SEMI-THEOCRATIC STATE!! -- AND THUS *CANNOT* BE A FULLY DEMOCRATIC--AND CERTAINLY NOT SECULAR--STATE BY ITS *OWN* DEFINITION!]

BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT?: IT *WOULND'T* MATTER IF ISRAEL ONLY STOLE 1% OF PALESTINE. ZIONISTS/ISRAEL HAD ***NO*** RIGHT TO DRIVE OFF AT LEAST **750,000** TO UPWARDS OF **1,000,000** PEOPLE, AND MASSACRE PERHAPS THOUSANDS THAT DIDN'T LEAVE, FROM 1947-1948 *ALONE*! -- JUST BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T JEWISH!

ONLY A RABID CRAZY DUM FAT-ASS **RACIST** SHIKSE COULD ACCEPT THAT.

ZIONIST JEWS WOULDN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO GO 1,000's OF MILES AWAY TO ENTIRELY ANOTHER CONTINENT AND TAKE 80% OF THE UNITED STATES (CORRESPONDING TO THE ORIGINAL % OF PALESTINE)

-- OR EVEN, BY BECKO'S BULLSHIT ARTISTRY, **20%** OF THE UNITED STATES

(ZIONIST JEWS WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE A MORAL RIGHT TO TAKE NEW YORK STATE!)

-- AND DRIVE THE EQUIVALENT OF TENS OR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OFF THE LAND THEY LIVED ON AND/OR OUT OF THEIR HOMES

-- AND MASSACRE THE EQUIVALENT OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS OF THOSE WHO DIDN'T LEAVE

-- JUST BECAUSE THOSE PEOPE WEREN'T JEWISH.

THAT'S CALLED WIPING OUT COUNTRIES, ETHNIC CLEANSING AND ELIMINATING THOSE THAT GET IN YOUR WAY OR THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ON THE BASIS OF RACE/ETHNICITY/BLOOD -- OR THOSE WHO RESIST.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HITLER DID OR TRIED TO DO. -- AND IT WAS ALL "a LEGAL process" (to quote Becko) UNDER NAZI LAW.


GGET *OWWWWTA* HERE YA DUM-ASS SHIKSE!!

> JA: BECKO TRIED [ -- **UNSUCCESSFULLY** -- ] TO USE AN ARTICLE FROM A *ZIONIST* WEBSITE TO CLAIM THAT -- ACCORDING TO HER INHERENTLY BIASED AND UNEXAMINED BELIEF THAT EGYPT ATTACKED ISRAEL IN THE 1956 SUEZ WAR -- INSTEAD OF *EXACTLY* THE **REVERSE**!!..."

> JA: I TOLD BECKO THAT OF *COURSE* SHE PICKED A *ZIONIST* SOURCE, BUT I USED HER OWN SOURCE TO SHOW THAT IT WAS INDEED **ISRAEL**, BRITAIN AND FRANCE THAT SECRETLY -- *YES* -- *CONSPIRED* TO ATTACK EGYPT!! -- BEFORE THE U.S. CHASED THEM ALL OFF WITH THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS -- ESPECIALLY ISRAEL!


BUT **NOW** THE *BULLSHIT* ARTIST SAYS ...:

BULLSHIT BECKO: "No source is completely reliable"!! -- and **now**, says Bullshit Becko, 'in fact', "NONE are completely reliable"!! -- "and then like a detective, adding up clues..."

TO *BEGIN* WITH, YOU HAVE TO *** *HAVE* A (*MENTAL*) 'CLUE' ***, DUM-ASS BECKO, TO "ADD" ANY UP!! ... HA-HA-HA...!!


GEE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE *ORIGINAL* NAZIS -- AS OPPOSED TO THE _NA_TIONAIST _ZI_ONISTS -- EVERY TRIED TO DENY THEIR *OWN* PUBLICATIONS!!

SO *NOW* BULLSHIT 'SUPERJEW' DUM-ASS SHIKSE BULLSHIT BECKO IS ***DISAGREEING*** WITH HER OWN ZIONISTS CHUMS AND THEIR SOURCES!!

BUT, *NOW*, FOR BECKO -- NOW THAT I *DEMOLISHED* HER WITH IT -- THE **ZIONIST** SOURCE IS "(NOT) RELIABLE" FOR BULLSHIT BECKO!!


SO HERE'S BULLSHIT ARTIST BECKO BACK AGAIN!:

BULLSHIT BECKO: "History clearly shows that the first act of the 1956 war was when Egypt blocked the Suez canal to Israeli shipping---which Israel considered an act of war. All events after that point were triggered by this first act on the part of Egypt."

*WHAT* "HISTORY"!? BECKO ALREADY REFERNCED HER *ZIONIST* SOURCE AND EVEN *IT* SAID JUST THE **OPPOSITE** OF WHAT BECKO CLAIMED!!

FIRST OF ALL, AN "ACT" -- WHATEVER *THAT* CAN VAGUELY MEAN -- IS NOT A FULL-FLEDGED FULL-BLOWN MILITARY **ATTACK**!! -- WITH FIGHTER-BOMBERS, GUNBOATS, TANKS, PARATROOPERS, FULLY-ARMED ASSAULT SOLDIERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE!!

SECOND: SO, EGYPT WOULDN'T LET ISRAEL -- EGYPT'S *ENEMY* THEN, AND ETHNIC CLEANSER AND OPPRESSOR OF OTHER ARABS, JUST BECAUSE THIER MOTHERS DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH -- USE **EGYPT'S** OWN CANAL ON EGYPT'S **OWN** LAND -- AND THAT GIVES ISRAEL A RIGHT TO GO **SNEAK** FULL-FLEDGE **ATTACK** EGYPT!!??? -- AND TRY TO JUST **TAKE** THE CANAL!!??? -- AND TURN IT INTO YET *ANOTHER* PART OF ISRAEL!!???

GEE, ISRAEL WON'T LET PALESTINIANS EVEN **WALK** ON ISRAELI ** "JEWISH-ONLY" ** APARTHEID ROADS -- MAYBE THAT ALONE GIVES PALESTINIAN COMMANDOS A RIGHT TO GO ATTACK ISRAEL!!


GGET OWWWWTTA HERE YA DUM FAT-ASS SHIKSE!!

THANKS FOR THE AFTERNOON BREAK LAUGH!!

HA-HA-HA..........!!

THE COST OF ISRAEL TO THE UNITED STATES.

THERE HAS **NEVER** BEEN MORE FINANCIAL WEALTH TRANSFERED FROM THE U.S. TO ISRAEL, THAN FROM ONE COUNTRY TO *ANY* OTHER COUNTRY, IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE WORLD!!

Hex/'JA': "Not unique in it's own right but unique in the fact that Israel gets a *far bigger share of foreign aid* to do so with than any other country that actually has a trade imbalance with us"


(SINCE ISRAEL ALWAYS SENDS ITS 'RICH' UNCLE SAM THE BILL FOR EVERYTHING -- WHEN ISRAEL GOES TO WAR OR EVEN WHEN ISRAEL IS TOLD TO STAY OUT OF A WAR -- ??? -- ISRAEL WILL PROBABLY GET MORE PER CAPITA FOR ITS SETTLER'S HOUSING PROGRAM THAN THE U.S. KATRINA VICTIM WILL GET FOR ANY OF NEW ORLEAN'S HOUSING PROGRAM.

ISRAEL PAYED THE GAZA JEWISH SETTLERS ABOUT **250,00-350,000** -- **APIECE** -- TO RELOCATE, WITHOUT MAKING TOO MUCH OF A FUSS, OUTSIDE OF IT -- SO ISRAEL COULD JUST HAVE THE GAZA STRIP BE HISTORY'S LARGEST CONCENTRATION CAMP.

NOW *WHO'S* 'RICH' UNCLE SAM DO YOU THINK -- AND REALLY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS -- GOT THE BILL FOR THAT!?

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE **HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS** THAT THE U.S. SPENDS ENGAGING IN CONFLICTS AND GOING TO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

-- WITH HUGE NAVAL TASK FORCE FLEETS, THEIR ASSOCIATED FIGHTER-BOMBER FLEETS, AND THE MOBILIZATIONS OF MANY 10'S OF 1,000'S OF U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL ON LAND, SEA AND AIR

-- NOT INCLUDING THE TIME SPENT IN PENTAGON OFFICES AND HIGH-TECH MILITARY WAR ROOMS AND MOUNTAIN BUNKERS

-- NOT TO MENTION THE 1,OOO'S OF HOURS SPENT IN THE U.S. EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND CONGRESS

-- LARGELY ON ISRAEL'S BEHALF.

AND WHAT DO WE GET IN RETURN?: THE ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY, THE LAVON AFFAIR BOMBINGS OF U.S. DIPLOMATIC FACILITIES IN EGYPT, REGULAR **ISRAELI SPYING AND ESPIONAGE**, THE FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TERRORIZING OF OUR POLITICIANS, AND ISRAELI AGENTS CAUGHT **CHEERING** THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!!

WITH A 'FRIEND' LIKE ISRAEL, WHO NEEDS BIN LADEN!!?

the hundreds of american soldiers that died in lebanon when reagan was president...

those american soldiers that died in the first war against iraq where saddam was lured into kuwait...

the now at least 2,3000 american soldiers that have died in iraq, a war largely to eliminate any potential rival to israel in the middle east and to get israel much of its oil, which is not were the u.s. gets any appreciable amount of its oil...

(if you don't believe it then go to an aipac convention or look up their past speeches)

now aipac and the jewish neoons in washington want us to go to war in iran for israel...

(if you don't believe that too then go to an aipac convention or look up just this past weekend's key speeches at the last one continuing the call on the u.s. to immediately go to war in iran)

the 30,000 american soldiers wounded and maimed in the present iraq war, a war largely for israel...

the untold number of american soldiers poisoned by depleted uranium explosive residues...

the untold number of american soldiers who return and will return with years of post-traumatic stress disorders...

the over 100,000 iraqi civilian deaths as a result of a war largely for israel...

the millions of iraqi civilians that will have to live the rest of their lives and their children's lives with a depleted uranium residue environment...

israel's taking of palestine and oppression of the palestinians as the largest and longest continuing moral thorn in the side of the arab and muslim world...

the center of almost all our sociopolitical and military problems in the middle east...

the arab and muslim world enemies that will be created in the future as a result of the u.s.'s unequivocal support for israel's actions and for the u.s.'s bombing people and fighting wars largely on israels behalf...

and in significant part a contributing reason for the destruction of the world trade center twin towers with about another 3,000 american deaths...

which israeli agents were indeed caught cheering.

we'd be better of gving the jews a state in arizona.

Really.
Do they/
My Jewish friends just want to have a life.

Not a state.
Who are these assholes?

> Who are these assholes?

the issue here isn't average everyday Jews - as much as pro-Zionists would have us all believe that to cover thier own asses

We're talking about an extreme right-wing, pro-war minority

The vast majority of Jewish people are decent hard working everyday folks just like you or me

Matter of fact you wouldn't even know them unless you sat down and discussed their heritage, etc to see they are.

One of the most effective ploys Zionists use is hiding behind such people and equating themselves with them - using them as "human shields" so to speak

It's statisticly unlikely the person popping up out of the blue and posting as "I mean" is unaware of this phenomenon

perhaps said person could be perswaded into relating to us "assholes" in more detail in light of this context, how she/he feels about such activity and how it modifies her/his judgement regarding "assholes" such as us

"I mean" who wouldn't know who they are ?

This newswire is infested with them - has more than it's share of obtuse game playing multible personality disruptive trolls

it would be one thing if you just happened to pop in, read this giant thread and posted (although still short of framing or context)

but quite another to know all these factors and *intentionally post obtusely* and court misunderstandings, either out of lazyness or malice, with - you guessed it - yet *another* handle

that 'ol standing in the shadows attacking those who don't bit - still going on and still with the same 2 people from what I can determine

maybe I'm wrong - maybe I *am* an asshole (too)

but at least I'm a REAL PERSON

to prove it feel free to email me at

keli1041fm no_at_spam yahoo.com

Forget the handshake.
Or any personal information.

I mean the assholes who pretend to be the advocates of certain themes of justice but use this veneer to hide behind while at the same time,delivering a platform for poison.
Becky is such a person. She is not alone, unfortunately.

Talk about shooting from under a skirt of a Jew.
Assholes.

say or reveal

often says more than what we do do

doodoo

hahahaa

I just set up 3 email accounts and a messenging account (in case that one get's flooded with spam)

it takes very little effort, is free and you can type in anything you want for personal info

obviously not my actual street address or name on these (I have an older one with my last address and my actual name too - that makes 4)

I did this so squabbling and so on has a place to go insted of polluting the newswire, and also so that IMC staff like johnk now have a way to contact me outside of this public arena

trolls however enjoy the attention of public exposure - they actually crave an audience

I tire of all this and plan on doing other activities that I won't go into here which are (I've just discovered) a hell of a lot more fun

I will be reachable via the email I posted

have fun playing with yourself !

HEX wrote: "1.) equating anti-Zionism anti-semiticism"

BECKY: Hex, I don't know what is in your heart of hearts. You may come in here for your own entertainment. Or perhaps you fancy yourself as some sort of expert. Perhaps you have really dedicated yourself to avenge the oppression of Palestinian suicide bombers. I don't know you. I don't know what your motive is.

You hate Zionists. That is clear. Zionists ( according to my albeit limited research into the history of Zionism) were mostly secular socialists or marxists. They were Jews but not religious Jews. Zionism was as much about escaping persecution as it was about establishing a homeland.

You also have no love for the Jewlsh settlers on the wEst BAnk. You keep insisting that the jews are "invaders" and "occupiers". The Jews on the West Bank are the orthodox religious Jews. In your version of what needs to be done, you want Israel to "end the occupation" which means making the Jews leave the West Bank (correct me if I am wrong--I am just deducing here). So you think the solution to the conflict involves ethnically cleansing the West bank of religous Jews.

But you are fine with the Israeli Arabs staying in Israel. In fact, to make THEM move would be horrific ethnic cleansing .

AND you completely EXONERATE the Israeli Arabs, despite that it is their country too, they voted for the leaders and their voices affect policy. But, as you have said before, THEY are not zionists!!!!

So to recap"

Zionists = secular Jews = bad
Settlers = religious Jews = bad
Israeli Arabs = religious muslims = good

I'm not even sure what a zionist is. I thought I knew, and I asked some Jewish people I know if I was on track, and they told me I was all wrong. So I don't even want to venture that I know what a zionist is. Much less that I am one!!!

I don't think you know what a zionist is either. In my definition of zionism, the Zionists (mostly secular marxists) successfully led a movement to re-establish a national homeland in Israel. On May 14, 1948 that dream came true.

Since I wasn't even born then, I am not Jewish, not Israeli and not a member of any zionist organization, I sure as hell am not going to say I am one.



ABOUT GENOCIDE: The death toll alone doesn't begin to make a case for genocide in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The IDF has a policy against injuring or killing civilians whenever possible. The security barrier, checkpoints, and pass system are NON-VIOLENT resistance to violence. If the heavily armed IDF set out to genocide the Palestinians, it could happen in a weekend. Many Palestinian groups openly call for the genocide of the Jews.

FAMOUS EXAMPLE OF GENOCIDE

Nazi Germany -- 9 - 11 million Jews & Roma, gays, the retarded, and the homeless killed in 4 year period.

East Timoor - 100,000 to 250,000 killed

Rwanda 800,000 deaths in 1994

Cambodia & the Khamer Rouge -- 1975-1979 - 2,000,000 Deaths

Sudan - 400,000 dead from 2003 -April 20 2005

Israeli-Palestinian conflict --less than 5000 in 6 years

Hex, this means that the genocide, as you continuously call it is only 1/20th of the lowest estimate for the lowest death toll of any modern genocide in modern times. it represents 1/80th of the death toll in Sudan.

Your use of the word "genocide" to exclusively blame the Israelis only shows your own bias against Jews.
So what did the Jews ever do to you, Hex?

"GEE, ISRAEL WON'T LET PALESTINIANS EVEN **WALK** ON ISRAELI ** "JEWISH-ONLY" ** APARTHEID ROADS -- MAYBE THAT ALONE GIVES PALESTINIAN COMMANDOS A RIGHT TO GO ATTACK ISRAEL!!"

BECKY: Correction. The only prohibition is against Israeli citizens going into (selected) areas controlled by the PA. Palestinians are theoretically not prohibited from going anywhere in Israel, provided they can get a pass (usually a security clearance) to get in. The roads are NOT "Jewish only" but for Israeli citizens--including Muslims and Christians. Palestinians (who are not Israeli citizens after all) can apply for a permit, and once they pass a security check, can drive on these Israeli roads.

As for a "right" to attack Israel, there is NO RIGHT to attack innocent civilians!!! Go back and read your Geneva convention!! You flunked it.

I MEAN WROTE: "
I mean the assholes who pretend to be the advocates of certain themes of justice but use this veneer to hide behind while at the same time,delivering a platform for poison.
Becky is such a person. She is not alone, unfortunately."

BECKY: I don't know you at all and you know very little about me. Yet you claim I am "pretending" to be an advocate for social justice. Where do you get off? You can do a google search on me (easy to do since I use my real name) and try a few keywords such as "police" 14,700 hits, "homeless" 10,020 hits, "drug war" 337 hits, "anti-war" 599 hits, "welfare" 559 hits, etc. etc. etc.

In addition to being a respected writer on poverty issues, I also produce a television show and a radio show.

Some real advocates don't do as much work for social justice that I do while I am "pretending"!!

Calling my positions on Israel a "poison platform" is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But if you have been following at all, you know I try to stick to facts, accurate reporting of history, and I read sources on all sides. My opinions are simply my opinions. Take them or leave them. In fact, you don't even have to read them.
But I offer them in the interest of accuracy, expanded education, and to correct a record which is peddled by people who have only the villification of Israel in mind.

So I MEAN, what makes you think I'm not a real advocate?

there's that 'ol hate chestnut again

fresca's made a career out of going around telling people they hate - all the while spewing hate at every turn

so now you're doing it too


who knows


what your motivations are, what mine are, what anyone's in a public forum such as this are


but, with nothing else to say, such as refuting the *congressional budget report* data, U.N. resolutions, world consenus

what else do you have ?

attack the messenger, of course !




You may come in here for
you fancy yourself
you have really dedicated yourself
You hate
You also
You keep insisting
In your version
you want
you think
you are fine with
you completely
you know
Your use

and finally the knockdown punch-

"your own bias against Jews."



Gee, I thought we agreed this *isn't about me*

Can't attack the message so attack the messenger insted

weak Becky, very weak


as to the history lession (again) and the other data you failed to refute, try next time to address the data, just leave out the rhetorical personal attacks that pigeonhole the victim into "looking bad" - character assassination tactics, another 'ol standby right from the P.R. manual


I'm standing on the great divide, surveying the peak which defines your ability to debate.

Unable to obscure my vision having climbed to the top, you're resorting to smokescreens, clouds meant to hide the issues and prevent others from seeing me there - showing them yes I did it and they can do it too

cut through professional world class P.R. supported propanganda like a hot knife through butter

all it takes is stamina, concentration and unclouded vision

Becky's been reduced to ignoring the data and personal character attacks


what more is there to say or do ?

the concept is known as *changing poison into medicine*

but to do so you need to have a foothold, something real to start with, otherwise it doesn't matter and is a waste of time

anonymous trolls that change handles, are never consistant and *take easy pot shots* only to fade back into the shadows, to pop up again as yet another handle, render anything beyond shallow useless TV-like interaction null & void

we could explore the reasons why some people do this - insecurity, fear/paranoia, dishonesty, "issues", amusement, etc

it really doesn't matter, because such people don't matter

they *make themselves not matter* in doing so

"anonymous trolls that change handles, are never consistant and *take easy pot shots* only to fade back into the shadows, to pop up again as yet another handle, render anything beyond shallow useless TV-like interaction null & void "
You know, that's what the British solders would say except for the TV part of course.
This thread is clearly scripted
between 'you' and it becomes apparent when it takes several comments of back and forth exchange to notice a comment slipped in among the billboards of Zionist 'garbage'.
But shhhh this is a secret, isn't it?

These assholes think they're so clever, don't they?

ah poor poor sheepster

Mr. sourgrapes strikes again

we had a hellofa lot of rain overnight, it got into some of my equipment, I tried sealing a USB hub which was half-way up an antenna pole in the rain, but it didn't help, USB isn't very reliable.. I just replaced the whole shibang with that WRT-54G wireless router set in client mode via ethernet, and have reconnected to the mesh network. the custom firmware also allows raising the power to 84 -250 mw (from factory set 28.mw) the connection and selecting the antenna (left or right) the right-hand antenna has a reflector around it to concentrate the signal for the long-haul link to my most reliable mesh node

this is working quite well - much better than the USB adaptor which used to cut in & out especially during this time of day - most days at this time I would lose contact due to interferance, this has a stronger signal (the USB was 60.mw), at least 84.mw maybe up to 250

just came back in after erecting the pole and finishing up...

I've got a nice solid ping whereas before it was breaking up...

now it's lunch time

HEX wrote: "as to the history lession (sic) (again) and the other data you failed to refute, try next time to address the data, just leave out the rhetorical personal attacks that pigeonhole the victim into "looking bad" - character assassination tactics, another 'ol standby right from the P.R. manual..."

BECKY: I refuted every point you made, and quite effectively.
As for character assassination --I've certainly suffered the slings and arrows of this from JA, from you, and from several inarticulate anonymous posters.

JA took great pleasure in spending several paragraphs describing the size of my ass (can't get much more personal than that!)

YOU insinuated that I am a "mole" , was responsible for FRSC getting busted by the FCC, and that I am a Zionist (your label, not mine), and then you posted an unflattering cartoon which you claim depicted me.

THen you whine that I am assassinating YOUR character??? Give me a break!

Perhaps you can explain to readers what exactly ticks you off so much about "Zionists". What are they doing? Cooking babies for lunch? can you give us a sample of their "crimes?" Readers want to understand your outrage.

How dare those secular socialists lobby to form a homeland safe from oppression in the area of their ancestral home?

And what role do modern zionists have since the goal of Zionism was completed in 1948? C'mon Hex! Enquiring minds want to know!

> secular socialists lobby to form a homeland safe from oppression in the area of their ancestral home


wow, genocidic Zionists become "secular socialists"

ethic cleansing becomes "lobby"

oppressing indigenous peoples becomes "safe from oppression"

land grabbing expansionism becomes "ancestral home"

and the right to do it - "ancestral" (god gave it to US), isn't racism


did I miss anything ?



oh - you want to talk about my feelings, thoughts, attitudes, motivations, background, outlook, expectations, goals and aims


but not the congressional budget data, the U.N. resolutions or world consensus

and when I make points about these issues you switch to YOUR feelings, thoughts, attitudes, motivations, background, outlook, expectations, goals and aims (and location)

My latest article "Ten Minutes then Jail" is the March issue of Street Spirit, published by the American Friends Service Committee. JA or Joseph Anderson of Berkeley couldn't handle that I have been a respected homeless issues writer for the past nine years for the AFSC. He tried to get me fired.

He contacted--not my editor in chief---but my editor's boss. He poured out all his concerns to her. She called my editor and they talked. They concluded that "no one gives a shit" about what JA is saying.

Nice try at sabotage, JA

Better stick to long descriptions condemning the size of my ass---its your strongest point!!

My latest
I have
me fired
my editor
my editor's
my editor
my ass

here's my ass Becky

I'M NOT DONE.

I HAVEN'T EVEN *STARTED* IN EARNEST.

I'LL EMBARRASS ANYONE WHO HAS YOU ON THEIR STAFF OR CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR PUBLICATION -- EXCEPT FOR DAVID HOROWITZ, FRONT PAGE MAGAZINE, DAFKA, LEE KAPLAN, DANIEL PIPES, CAMPUSWATCH, THE ADL (although, actually, they *should* be embarrassed to have you working for them), THE JDL, AND MOSSAD.

(And I'm going to find out if Terry Messman, the director of the Oakland office of Street Spirit, is Jewish.)

AS I SAID BEFORE, I'VE **NEVER** SEEN YOU WITH ANYONE IMPORTANT IN THE BAY AREA PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.

I'VE **NEVER** SEEN YOU ON STAGE SPEAKING BY YOURSELF OR WITH OTHERS AT *ANY* IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE EVENT, *NOT* ON STAGE AT *ANY* ANTI-WAR RALLY, *NOT* WITH *ANY* IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE PANELISTS -- LIKE A WOMAN'S ANTI-WAR PANEL -- IN THE BAY AREA, I'VE *NEVER* HEARD YOU ON KPFA (Pacifica radio's flagship station, where I've guest hosted or been interviewed numerous times), OR ON KALW, HARDLY *ANY* IMPORTANT PEOPLE UP HERE KNOWS YOU (maybe *one* or *two* people know you as a rabid Zionist *NUTCASE*! -- LIKE **JEWISH**-AMERICAN BARBARA LUBIN DIRECTOR OF THE MIDDLE EAST CHILDREN'S ALLIANCE DOES) -- YOU'RE A **NOBODY** UP HERE -- A **NOBODY**!

IF I SAID "BECKY JOHNSON OF SANTA CRUZ", VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON -- *EVEN* IN THE BAY AREA PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT -- WOULD SAY *****WHO?*****!!

SO I *DON'T* EVEN HAVE TO *TELL* MOST PEOPLE IN THE BAY AREA WHAT YOU ARE!! -- BECAUSE **NOBODY** UP HERE KNOWS *WHO* YOU ARE ANYWAY!!

trumpet - hey everyone look at MEEEEEEE !
by Hex Thursday, Mar. 09, 2006 at 11:21 AM:

make_fun_of_my_ass_becky.jpg, image/jpeg .


*THAT* BIG *DUM*-ASS SHIKSE!!???...

*SHIT*!!: WE'D HAVE TO PAN LEFT AND, ESPECIALLY, RIGHT OFF THE SCREEN TO SEE THAT DUM SHIKSE ASS!! -- NOT THAT YOU'D WANT TO.

HEX WROTE: > secular socialists lobby to form a homeland safe from oppression in the area of their ancestral home

wow, genocidic Zionists become "secular socialists"

BECKY: Some people are unaware that the early zionists in Europe beginning in the 1880's were Jews, but secular. Many had incorporated the Jewish values of service to the poor and fair treatment under the law into their socialist philosophies. For instance, Karl Marx was a secular Jew.
Emma Goldman was a secular Jew.

You keep accusing the zionists of some kind of genocide which is weird because all the historical records show that it was the ARAB LEADERS of the time who were calling to genocide the Jews. The Zionists (prior to 1948) LOBBIED the United Nations for relief, and formed Israel after a VOTE BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS.

The only genocide in the region I see is the Nazi genocide of the Jews (& the Roma,gays,mentally retarded, political enemies,&homeless too), and the calls by the Arab leaders since then. Where is the Zionist genocide? I don't see it. where are the mass graves? Who is being tried in the Hague for war crimes against humanity? Zionists?
What are their names?

HEX WROTE: ethic cleansing becomes "lobby"

BECKY: The zionists lobbied the British primarily and achieved the Balfour declaration in 1917. Are you saying that the zionists "ethnically cleansed" the British? Of course you arent. YOU are accusing the Zionists of ethnically cleansing the Palestinian Arabs (Arabs who were living where Israel was established prior to 1948). THis in an area that CURRENTLY HAS 1.2 MILLION PALESTINIAN ARABS who are now Israeli citizens, own property, vote, and have equal rights and access to Israeli courts.

In 1970, during BLACK SEPTEMBER, JORDAN killed between 3,000 and 5,000 Palestinians in ten days.But you are not talking about THAT GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS, are you? No, you don't want to talk about an Arab genocide of Palestinians--you know, the one with piles and piles of dead bodies. No, you only want to talk about the Zionist genocide of Palestinians.

Got links? Stats? Dates? Dead bodies?

So where (other than in your small mind) is the Jewish genocide?

HEX WROTE: "oppressing indigenous peoples becomes "safe from oppression"

BECKY: The Jewish people are more indiginous than any Arab people. What you call "oppression" are the security measures Israel has had to take to protect itself from attacking armies (nuclear deterrence) and from suicide bombers (the fence, checkpoints, pass system).

HEX WROTE: land grabbing expansionism becomes "ancestral home"

BECKY: Israel is the ONLY country in the world that gave back 94% of lands conquered in a defensive war. Oh, and it STARTED OUT as an ancestral home. Ever heard of the Bible?

HEX WROTE: and the right to do it - "ancestral" (god gave it to US), isn't racism

BECKY: I thought your beef was with zionism. The zionists didnt use the religious beliefs as the foundation of zionism --(other than considering the area as one possibility for a national homeland). So what God said in the Bible is racism? How do you figure?

you're delving into history again to try to address the present situation with Palestine

a pigeonhole I'm not walking into


you're quite good at side-stepping though ;

Congressional budget data, U.N. resolutions, world consensus

not me, myself and history

get with the program butterbean

That latest post really puts a serious light on Anti-Zionism.
Kinda like your clone, JA.
'Both of you' doing a swell job to make 'Becky' look even sane.
As well as her position.
Ta....
SP

things are poppin' over here - I just got another node that's so strong I get a good solid connection right in my window, the wind & rain doesn't bother it

I do surveys fairly regularly and there's a bunch of new wireless nodes - a few more have come up in the last day or so

internet out the wazoo !

I'm working on bridging & load balancing - backup routes so that I have 2 or more internet connections here on this computer (I have enough wireless equipment to have 3 simultaneous internet connections plus offer it to other's with my Access Point)

Becky the ButterBean is the least of BubbleButt's concerns right now needless to say..

I rest my case

I don't have any photos of me on a panel or at an event easily available, but here's one of my favorites---and as luck would have it, includes an ass shot! What luck!
(photo by Robert Norse)

And here is a link to the COUNTERPUNCH article I wrote about the arrest, trial, and the first amendment.

http://www.counterpunch.org/johnson02222003.html