"We have nothing to hide !" said Olmert. "The construction work itself is being carried out outside the Temple Mount and does not damage any place that is holy to Muslims."
His declarations ar filled with lies, illusions and hypocrisy. The Israelis a planning to build a military bridge, and the al Aqsa mosque would be their next target.

The Turkish government should know that the Zionists use Turkey for espionage purposes by helping the Kurdish rebels.

They want to build their temple at a time when our blood is on their clothes, on their doorsteps, in their food and in their drinks. Our blood has passed from one chief of staff to another chief of staff. The statue of power and the statue of occupation would both be shattered. The powerful won't remain powerful for ever and the weak won't remain weak.

Save al-Aqsa Mosque, free Jerusalem and end the occupation!


Mughrabi Gate Jerusalem webcam:

http://www.antiquities.org.il/home_eng.asp


The prophets of Israel themselves would have forsaken the Israeli institution.

"...But ye turned and profaned My name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom ye had let go free at their pleasure, to return; and ye brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids. Therefore thus saith the LORD: Ye have not hearkened unto Me, to proclaim liberty, every man to his brother, and every man to his neighbour; behold, I proclaim for you a liberty, saith the LORD, unto the sword, unto the pestilence, and unto the famine; and I will make you a horror unto all the kingdoms of the earth. And I will give the men that have transgressed My covenant, that have not performed the words of the covenant which they made before Me, when they cut the calf in twain and passed between the parts thereof; the princes of Judah, and the princes of Jerusalem, the officers, and the priests, and all the people of the land, that passed between the parts of the calf; I will even give them into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life; and their dead bodies shall be for food unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beasts of the earth. And Zedekiah king of Judah and his princes will I give into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life, and into the hand of the king of Babylon's army, that are gone up from you. Behold, I will command, saith the LORD, and cause them to return to this city; and they shall fight against it, and take it, and burn it with fire; and I will make the cities of Judah a desolation, without inhabitant."

The Holy Bible, Jeremy 34

They are replacing a pedestrian ramp that was damaged by snowfall.

I have something for you to ponder...

Have you any critique of Revelations Chapter 2 Verse 9 ?

"Have you any critique of Revelations Chapter 2 Verse 9 ?"

Think I'm Christian? To me only the Tanakh is holy. Why should relate to Revelations?

Zionism = racism because, like their mentors the Nazis, Zionists believe that Jews should be treated differently than non Jews.

The Synagogue of Satan.

You deceive many, but fewer everyday.

JOIN US IN THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST ISRAELI APARTHEID TERRORISM

Take Action, sign on to the letter at http://www.cflweb.org/ political action and tell Congress to stop using your tax dollars to support apartheid terrorism.

For further political action and information see:

http://www.cnionline.org --- http://www.endtheoccupation.org/ --- http://www.stopthewall.org/ --- http://www.rachelcorrie.org/action.htm --- http://www.astandforjustice.org --- http://www.palestinesolidaritymovement.org/ --- http://bigcampaign.org.uk/

What the Media hopes that you never learn about the apartheid terror state of Israel…

Important informational websites:

http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ --- http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/ --- http://www.washington-report.org/index.htm --- http://www.al-awda.org/ --- http://www.palestineremembered.com/index.html --- http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml --- http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/palestine/ --- http://www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net/ --- http://zionismexplained.org/ --- http://www.pchrgaza.org/ --- http://www.rafah.vze.com/ --- http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/news/todaymain.htm --- http://www.americanintifada.com/ --- http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ --- http://www.ussliberty.org/ --- http://www.nowarforisrael.com --- http://www.ipsc.ie/ --- http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/ --- http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/ --- http://www.ipc.gov.ps/index.asp --- http://www.imemc.org/ --- http://www.stopaipac.org/ --- http://www.monabaker.com/ --- http://kurtnimmo.com/ --- http://www.rense.com/ --- http://bostontopalestine.org/ --- http://they-are-still-here.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/index.php --- http://www.a-mother-from-gaza.blogspot.com/ --- http://bethlehemghetto.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl --- http://bodyontheline.blogspot.com/ --- http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.umkahlil.blogspot.com/


Israeli terrorism in pictures …
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14069.htm

Christian organizations that oppose the Zionist apartheid terror regime:
http://www.cmep.org/ --- http://www.hcef.org/ --- http://www.hcsn.org/ --- http://www.al-bushra.org/ --- http://www.cpt.org/hebron/hebron.php ---

Jewish organizations that oppose the Zionist apartheid terror regime:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ --- http://www.nkusa.org/ --- http://www.nimn.org/ --- http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ --- http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp --- http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ --- http://www.icahd.org/eng

The Israeli lobby AIPAC counts on your ignorance. Iraq, Palestine, Neocons - how all of it ties together can be found in this report entitled "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy". A condensed version can be found here at the London Review of Books.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

See the Stop AIPAC site… http://www.stopaipac.org/


EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THE DOCUMENTARY “TERROR STORM” BY ALEX JONES. It exposes Government sponsored terrorism, False Flag Operations, the Pro-War Zionist Media and The New World Order. The website is http://www.infowars.com

Alex Jones has agreed to let everyone see “Terror Storm” under not for profit and for educational purposes free of charge. Jones should be commended for exposing the New World Order on such a large scale.

"The DVD Of The Resistance": Watch For Free, Spread The Word
Please help us get Terror Storm to as many people as possible!

Terror Storm can be viewed on-line here… http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=12638

What is a False Flag? …Committing an atrocious act and then blaming it on another party or nation. The point is to turn public opinion against an entity and have someone else fight your battles for you.

Will America demand that Israel surrender its illegal nuclear weapons and other WMDs before it can detonate one in the United States under another False Flag Operation?

Sign the Petition Opposing An Attack on Iran! http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/iran

Join us in the streets and halls of Congress as we protest war and occupation! Sign up for the political action alerts at http://www.answercoalition.org and http://www.unitedforpeace.org

What CNN and FOX would rather you not see or know anything about… http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

Note: The mainstream media refuses to address and fairly report on the tragic events in the Holyland which is Palestine, this in spite of the fact that it is the most important issue on the global stage.

Resist The Corporate Owned Pro-War Zionist Media’s 24/7 Campaign To Brainwash And Manipulate The American Public. Render Them Irrelevant. Get Your News Uncensored and Unfiltered From Independent Sources.

http://www.informationliberation.com/

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/indx.php

http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl Listen to Amy Goodman’s show everyday… a must.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html

http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=home

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

http://www.counterpunch.org/

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

http://www.imemc.org/

Important and Vital: Find A Pacifica Network Station Near You. Listen to Democracy Now with Amy Goodman and support the station that carries it…
http://pacificanetwork.org/radio/content/blogsection/7/83/


SPOON-FED NEWS CAUSES BLINDNESS

FOX and CNN 24 / 7 propaganda machines are undermining objective media.
Take action: Call your cable provider and tell them that they have 30 days to carry the Al Jazeera “English” Channel on “basic cable” and if they refuse to, boycott them by cancelling their service.

“If everybody watches CNN, what does CNN watch? The Al Jazeera English Channel.”
Friends of Al Jazeera
http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org/
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage


BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT PARTIES SUPPORT ISRAELI APARTHEID TERRORISM AND THEIR MEMBERS RECEIVE MONEY FROM AIPAC INFLUENCED PRO WAR PRO ISRAEL PACS.

See AIPAC Influenced Pro-Israel, Pro-War PAC Contributions to 2006 Congressional Candidates…

http://www.washington-report.org/index.htm

Vote for the Party of Peace and Justice. The
Green Party USA … http://www.gp.org

It bears mentioning that no Green Party USA candidate is supported by the Neo-con pro war AIPAC lobby. See http://www.gp.org


Your “Representatives” in Congress are supposed to work for YOU not lobbies of evil foreign regimes. Call or write them today. Tell them to stop all aid to the apartheid terror state of Israel…

Call U.S. Capitol… 202.225.3121
E-mail Your U.S. House Representative (you have only one)… http://www.house.gov/writerep/
E-mail Your U.S. Senators (you have only two)… http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

White House… 202-456-1414
White House… FAX: 202-456-2461
E-MAIL… comments@whitehouse.gov


David Ben-Gurion told Nahum Goldmann, the president of the World Jewish Congress:
“If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”


Must reads: Beyond Chutzspah, Finkelstein. A Pretext For War, Bamford. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Simons. Must see: Rachel - An American Conscience, Barakat.

“In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” - George Orwell, his book, 1984.

Please copy, e-mail, re-post and distribute this as widely as possible. Also for those without Internet access.

JOIN US IN THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST ISRAELI APARTHEID TERRORISM

Take Action, sign on to the letter at http://www.cflweb.org/ political action and tell Congress to stop using your tax dollars to support apartheid terrorism.

For further political action and information see:

http://www.cnionline.org --- http://www.endtheoccupation.org/ --- http://www.stopthewall.org/ --- http://www.rachelcorrie.org/action.htm --- http://www.astandforjustice.org --- http://www.palestinesolidaritymovement.org/ --- http://bigcampaign.org.uk/

What the Media hopes that you never learn about the apartheid terror state of Israel…

Important informational websites:

http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ --- http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/ --- http://www.washington-report.org/index.htm --- http://www.al-awda.org/ --- http://www.palestineremembered.com/index.html --- http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml --- http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/palestine/ --- http://www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net/ --- http://zionismexplained.org/ --- http://www.pchrgaza.org/ --- http://www.rafah.vze.com/ --- http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/news/todaymain.htm --- http://www.americanintifada.com/ --- http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ --- http://www.ussliberty.org/ --- http://www.nowarforisrael.com --- http://www.ipsc.ie/ --- http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/ --- http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/ --- http://www.ipc.gov.ps/index.asp --- http://www.imemc.org/ --- http://www.stopaipac.org/ --- http://www.monabaker.com/ --- http://kurtnimmo.com/ --- http://www.rense.com/ --- http://bostontopalestine.org/ --- http://they-are-still-here.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/index.php --- http://www.a-mother-from-gaza.blogspot.com/ --- http://bethlehemghetto.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl --- http://bodyontheline.blogspot.com/ --- http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/ --- http://www.umkahlil.blogspot.com/


Israeli terrorism in pictures …
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14069.htm

Christian organizations that oppose the Zionist apartheid terror regime:
http://www.cmep.org/ --- http://www.hcef.org/ --- http://www.hcsn.org/ --- http://www.al-bushra.org/ --- http://www.cpt.org/hebron/hebron.php ---

Jewish organizations that oppose the Zionist apartheid terror regime:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ --- http://www.nkusa.org/ --- http://www.nimn.org/ --- http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ --- http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp --- http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ --- http://www.icahd.org/eng

The Israeli lobby AIPAC counts on your ignorance. Iraq, Palestine, Neocons - how all of it ties together can be found in this report entitled "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy". A condensed version can be found here at the London Review of Books.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

See the Stop AIPAC site… http://www.stopaipac.org/


EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THE DOCUMENTARY “TERROR STORM” BY ALEX JONES. It exposes Government sponsored terrorism, False Flag Operations, the Pro-War Zionist Media and The New World Order. The website is http://www.infowars.com

Alex Jones has agreed to let everyone see “Terror Storm” under not for profit and for educational purposes free of charge. Jones should be commended for exposing the New World Order on such a large scale.

"The DVD Of The Resistance": Watch For Free, Spread The Word
Please help us get Terror Storm to as many people as possible!

Terror Storm can be viewed on-line here… http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=12638

What is a False Flag? …Committing an atrocious act and then blaming it on another party or nation. The point is to turn public opinion against an entity and have someone else fight your battles for you.

Will America demand that Israel surrender its illegal nuclear weapons and other WMDs before it can detonate one in the United States under another False Flag Operation?

Sign the Petition Opposing An Attack on Iran! http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/iran

Join us in the streets and halls of Congress as we protest war and occupation! Sign up for the political action alerts at http://www.answercoalition.org and http://www.unitedforpeace.org

What CNN and FOX would rather you not see or know anything about… http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

Note: The mainstream media refuses to address and fairly report on the tragic events in the Holyland which is Palestine, this in spite of the fact that it is the most important issue on the global stage.

Resist The Corporate Owned Pro-War Zionist Media’s 24/7 Campaign To Brainwash And Manipulate The American Public. Render Them Irrelevant. Get Your News Uncensored and Unfiltered From Independent Sources.

http://www.informationliberation.com/

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/indx.php

http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl Listen to Amy Goodman’s show everyday… a must.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html

http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=home

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

http://www.counterpunch.org/

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

http://www.imemc.org/

Important and Vital: Find A Pacifica Network Station Near You. Listen to Democracy Now with Amy Goodman and support the station that carries it…
http://pacificanetwork.org/radio/content/blogsection/7/83/


SPOON-FED NEWS CAUSES BLINDNESS

FOX and CNN 24 / 7 propaganda machines are undermining objective media.
Take action: Call your cable provider and tell them that they have 30 days to carry the Al Jazeera “English” Channel on “basic cable” and if they refuse to, boycott them by cancelling their service.

“If everybody watches CNN, what does CNN watch? The Al Jazeera English Channel.”
Friends of Al Jazeera
http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org/
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage


BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT PARTIES SUPPORT ISRAELI APARTHEID TERRORISM AND THEIR MEMBERS RECEIVE MONEY FROM AIPAC INFLUENCED PRO WAR PRO ISRAEL PACS.

See AIPAC Influenced Pro-Israel, Pro-War PAC Contributions to 2006 Congressional Candidates…

http://www.washington-report.org/index.htm

Vote for the Party of Peace and Justice. The
Green Party USA … http://www.gp.org

It bears mentioning that no Green Party USA candidate is supported by the Neo-con pro war AIPAC lobby. See http://www.gp.org


Your “Representatives” in Congress are supposed to work for YOU not lobbies of evil foreign regimes. Call or write them today. Tell them to stop all aid to the apartheid terror state of Israel…

Call U.S. Capitol… 202.225.3121
E-mail Your U.S. House Representative (you have only one)… http://www.house.gov/writerep/
E-mail Your U.S. Senators (you have only two)… http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

White House… 202-456-1414
White House… FAX: 202-456-2461
E-MAIL… comments@whitehouse.gov


David Ben-Gurion told Nahum Goldmann, the president of the World Jewish Congress:
“If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”


Must reads: Beyond Chutzspah, Finkelstein. A Pretext For War, Bamford. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Simons. Must see: Rachel - An American Conscience, Barakat.

“In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” - George Orwell, his book, 1984.

Please copy, e-mail, re-post and distribute this as widely as possible. Also for those without Internet access.

In an effort to defuse Palestinian and Arab world incitement against Israel relating to excavations in Jerusalem next to
Israel's Western Wall, the Israel Antiquities
Authority has begun to broadcast live television
coverage from the site.

In a news release sent to the Israel News Agency, an
Israel Antiquities Authority spokeswoman stated that
work to install video cameras to enable on-line
viewing of the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA)
Mugrabi Gate Reconstruction Project in the Old City of
Jerusalem has been completed.

The Jerusalem cameras went on line this afternoon on
the IAA website.

"There will be three cameras in the excavation area.
They will show a complete angle of the excavation,"
said Liat Eizenkot, an Israel Antiquities Authority
spokesperson.

The Israel authorities have installed cameras to film
all excavation work being carried out near Jerusalem's
Temple Mount or Haram Sharif.

Daily work at the site will be broadcast from 0630
local time (0430 GMT) to 1430 (1230 GMT), the Israel
Antiquities Authority said. The live web camera would
remain on outside working hours. Broadcasts will start
on Thursday and can be seen at the antiquities
authority's website.

The Israel website also has a video about the Project
with an English explanation by IAA Director of Surveys
and Excavations Dr. Gideon Avni and two articles under
the heading "The Real Story Behind the Mugrabi Ramp."

The Minister responsible for Jerusalem affairs, Yaacov
Edery, Israel Antiquities Authority Director-General
Shuka Dorfman, Israel Police Inspector-General Moshe
Karadi and Israel Police Jerusalem District Commander
Ilan Franco briefed ministers on Sunday regarding
events on and around the Temple Mount and on Israel’
excavation work on the Mugrabi Gate ramp.

Israel Prime Minister Olmert said that work on the
Jerusalem Mugrabi Gate bridge - outside the Temple
Mount - is necessary because the previous ramp had
collapsed and the interim wooden bridge is a safety
hazard, as was determined by the Jerusalem city
engineer. A new bridge is necessary for the welfare of
visitors and tourists. The bridge will also be at the
disposal of the security forces in order - for example
- to prevent stones from being hurled at the Western
Wall plaza.

The Prime Minister also said that proper staff work -
involving the Jerusalem municipality, the Antiquities
Authority, the Israel Police, the Public Security
Ministry, the Mossad, the ISA and Minister Edery’s
office - had been carried out over several months.

Israel Ministers and other relevant officials
discussed the issue in 25 January 2007 and gave final
approval to the plan to build a bridge up to the
Mugrabi Gate.

The Prime Minister said: “I have heard claims
regarding the professional activity of the Antiquities
Authority. I vigorously reject them. Professional
archaeological work was done here. During the staff
work, the relevant Jerusalem municipality official
issued a permit for the construction of the bridge.
Israel Attorney General Meni Mazuz is checking whether
or not a more detailed planning process, namely a
municipal building plan, is necessary and we will, of
course, act in accordance with any directive.”

Israel Prime Minister Olmert made it clear that in any
case, and in accordance with any planning procedure,
Antiquities Authority excavations are necessary
according to the Antiquities Authority Law. These
excavations will continue. “I have instructed all
elements involved to work with complete transparency
and to show anyone who is interested there is an
essential need to build a new bridge. Anyone who goes
there sees this for himself. There is no activity that
is designed to dig under the Temple Mount. This is
activity that is taking place outside the Temple Mount
wall only.”

International officials, including very senior
officials in the US and other countries, were updated
during the planning stage. Islamic extremist elements
are seeking to incite and inflame even though they
know for a certainty that there is no activity
designed to harm the Temple Mount. Israel guards, and
has always guarded, the holy places of all faiths,
including Islam, and will assure freedom of worship.
It is intolerable that domestic Islamic extremist
elements are trying to fan the flames in a wholly
unjustified manner.

The Israel Cabinet decided: to continue with the
planned construction of the Mugrabi Gate ramp in a way
that allows completion in the least possible time. To
the extent that a municipal building plan will be
required - one will be brought for approval as quickly
as possible. The Israel Foreign Ministry will continue
to deal with the international aspects, including in
regard with UNESCO. Continuation of coordination with
international bodies, while maintaining full
transparency of events at the site. The ISA and the
Israel Police will continue operational and
intelligence preparedness. E. Minister Yaacov Edery
will be responsible for this issue.

The new ramp in Jerusalem will replace the temporary
wooden bridge which was built near the Western Wall
following the collapse of the old Mugrabi ramp.

>The whole point of continuing to point to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem as an out and out Nazi

is to obfuscate the the collaboration of the Zionists with the Nazis. The Mufti talked a good game, but so what. He never fired a weapon. Begin' crew actually bombed Hitler's enemies. Polkes' crew was actively complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Germany, and Polkes himself personally collaborated with Eichmann.

"is to obfuscate the the collaboration of the Zionists with the Nazis. The Mufti talked a good game, but so what. He never fired a weapon."

The fact that the Mufti was the spiritual leader of the Arabs at the time is highly significant. He wasn't a "footnote to history" character. Whether or not HE fired a weapon, or had his minions do it is irrelevant.

BTW, the "meeting" between Eichmann and Polkes failed miserably and did not lead to anything writes professor Saul Friedlander in his classic book "Nazi Germany and the Jews."

The Mufti was not the spiritual leader of "the" Arabs. The Mufti was the spiritual leader of *some* Arabs. Of other Arabs, he was not.

This begs the question. No, it was not a meeting. It was an ongoing relationship in which Polkes received a salary for services rendered. It "failed" only in that most German Jews had no desire to settle in Palestine and join the Zionist cause. They merely wanted a stepping stone to someplace better, usually America. This bummed the Zionists out, They complained in their correspondence with their Nazi employers.

>professor Saul Friedlander

So who are you going to believe, the interpretation of a biased historian, or the actual, historical documents themselves?

So who are you going to believe, the interpretation of a biased historian, or the actual, historical documents themselves?

Don't know. You haven't showed us anything yet. Show us the actual historic documents, not just lines cherry picked and published on a white supremicist website. If it comes from the website of a holocaust denier, its not an accurate source.

Real story: Polkes had met with Eichman to use "financial incentives" (bribes)to rescue Jews. Eichman was not interested in rescuing Jews, even if it was potentially lucrative. Failed meeting.

>If it comes from the website of a holocaust denier, its not an accurate source.


It doesn't come from "the website of a holocaust denier."

Simpson’s source on this is:

Sicherheitsdienst des RFSS SD-Hauptamt, Palastinareise Bericht (U.S. designation no. 173-b-16-14/61), now at Frames 2936012-2936068, microfilm roll 411, T-175, RG 242, NA, Washington, D.C.

See:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#163011

Well- if you've seen the microfilm and read it in its original German, why don't you share with us what it says?

Nazism: militaristic, expansionist, ethnic nationalism

Zionism: militaristic, expansionist, ethnic nationalism

water, money, arms, and political power on the basis of ancestry is racist by definition. It's racist when Aryans do it. It's racist when Serbs do it. It's racist when Hutus do it. It's racist when Jews do it. A racist is a racist is a racist. Which race they favor, or disfavor, is not a factor. Either way, it's racism.

The only non racist solution to the ongoing injustice in Palestine is a single, secular society in which it doesn't matter who your mother was or what name, if any, you use for deity.

They are trying to change the subject, to distract you from their crime in Palestine. It, not the (alleged) fate of Copts and B'hais is the topic of this thread. It's a trick, don't fall for it. If “they do it, too” were a valid excuse, Hitler would be off the hook for killing those six million Jews, because Stalin killed six million Ukrainians.

But now that they mention it, have you ever heard a Zionist speak out against any injustice, anywhere, except to divert attention from their own racism?

Me either. That's the kind of people they are.

I'm trying to figure out just what *kind* of a racist you are.



Ok, why is this just applicable in Palestine?
The rest of the Middle East is much much worse in terms of resource allocation based on racist criteria.
Why is it Just Palestine that concerns you?
Are you concerned about the slaughter of Christian Copts in Egypt, for example?
Or the genocide of B'hais in Iran?
I haven't heard a word on this site about either.

All over the Middle East, people are deprived of human rights and civil rights precisely because of their religion, their gender, their sexual orientation. Surprisingly enough, this is less of a problem in Israel than anywhere else in the Middle East. (That doesn't mean Israel is flawless- it is simply less of a problem in Israel) So why is it that ONLY Israel is condemned? I don't understand this.

"less of a problem in Israel" blah blah. Prove it. I mean minus the missile and clusters bomb attacks.
Is it also true that this is a 'democracy'?
And if so can this be a valid proposal when an alleged minority ( we aren't allowed to count refugees ) is so deprived of liberty? And life or even a future under current circumstances. Maybe that's the goal. Double think and speak, not withstanding.

"less of a problem in Israel" blah blah. Prove it.

Ok. Current Consel General is Bedouin.
Cabinet Members are Arab.
12 Parliament mmebers are Arab
Ambassador positions go to Arabs as well.
Thats what I know off hand. A few minutes on the web would expand the list.


And if so can this be a valid proposal when an alleged minority ( we aren't allowed to count refugees ) is so deprived of liberty?

Alleged minority? Its a minority- 20 % of the population
How are they deprieved of liberty?
Why do you think the minority population of Israel is deprieved of liberty?

And life or even a future under current circumstances.

Aspiring to be an ambassador or a cabinet official or a member of the parliament might not appeal to most, but it means there are opportunities. They could become doctors or lawyers or teachers, as well. What they chose to do with these opportunities is another story.

>I'm trying to figure out just what *kind* of a racist you are.

I am no kind of racist at all, unlike the Zionists, who by definition believe that Jews should be treated differently than non Jews. The belief that one ethnic group should be treated differently than other ethnic groups is the very definition of racism. Whether that ethnic group is Aryans, Jews, Hutus, Serbs or whatever, is completely and totally irrelevant.



>Why is it Just Palestine that concerns you?

It's not all that concerns me. But Zionists only take note of my concern for Palestine because that's all that they care about.



>So why is it that ONLY Israel is condemned?

It's not. Zionists only take note when Israel is condemned, because that is all they care about.


But even if I actually were only concerned with Palestine, and only condemned Israel, it would still not make the Zionists one iota less the racist aggressors they are. Note how they are trying to shift your attention away from their racist aggression, and onto their critics. It's an ad hominem, i.e., not a rebuttal, but a way to link.



>Its a minority- 20 % of the population

This is true if one only counts the population of Israel "proper." Yet Israel "proper" is only one part of Palestine. All of Palestine is under Zionist rule. In Israel "proper," non Jews has fewer rights than Jews. In the rest of Palestine, they have no rights at all. The rest of Palestine is a giant prison camp, and the people who live there are treated like prisoners.


>Current Consel General is Bedouin.
Cabinet Members are Arab.
12 Parliament mmebers are Arab
Ambassador positions go to Arabs as well.


This is tokenism. To equate it with equality is like claiming that when Jackie Robinson made the team, Jim Crow retired.

"It's not. Zionists only take note when Israel is condemned, because that is all they care about"

And when the "Zionists" condemn anything else in the world, they are told they are only doing it to distract from what is going on in the Middle east.

is the very definition of racism. That's what racism is.

Note also that, rather than attempt to rebut what I have said, they are trying to change the subject again. How typical.

except in the Zionist imagination. No one else agrees, no one.

California used to be part of New Spain. That didn't make it not be California. Likewise, Palestine used to be part of the British Mandate of Palestine. That didn't make it not be Palestine. Palestine has been Palestine for thousands of years. The Mandate lasted less than three decades. Its partition by the Brits, like all partitions by the Brits, sowed the seeds of discord from which the people who run Britain still benefit. That's the point of partition. By sharing that benefit with their American cousins, the helped build the Anglo-American empire, neo-colonialism at it's most insidious.

Israel "proper" is no longer a colony in the classical sense, or even a neo-colony in the modern sense. By arming itself with nukes, it has become a full partner in the real axis of evil, America, England and Israel. As Joseph Conrad would recognize in an instant, the so-called "Occupied Territories" are a colony in every sense of the word. This is not the heart of darkness. It is its intestine. Palestine is being digested by a predator that is as ravenous as the one that tried to digest Europe six decades ago. It's just smaller, that's all, and much better armed. Everything else is the same, the racism, the militarism, the propaganda mill, the cult of blood and soil, even a drive to the east.

These many striking resemblances make it easy to assume that Nazis were the Zionists' only mentors. This is a mistake. Many of their cruelest and most brutal techniques of occupation were first developed by the Brits. It was the Brits, for example, who pioneered in Occupied Ireland the destruction of homes where suspected resistors lived, and the unhousing of their entire families, and sometimes their neighbors, often for nothing more serious than a stone thrown by a child. The wanton slaughter of women and children has also been a hallmark of British terrorist imperialism. Cromwell's goons held Irish babies aloft on bayonets, and used them for target practice. Israel use phosphorus and cluster bombs to much the same end, terror, terror and more terror. From Americans, the Zionists learned about nukes, and acquired the planes to deliver them. From South Africans, they learned about Bantustans. They've learned their lessons well, and from teachers all over the world.

To defeat them, we too must learn the lessons of world history. The Irish, the Vietnamese, the Kenyans, the Afghans, the Lebanese, etc., have taught the world that empire can be defeated, no matter what numerical or technological advantages it enjoys. Soon the Iraqis will join them in the annals of history, the sooner the better.

The key to victory is tenacity. Never give up, ever. As the famous saying goes, it is not those who can inflict the most who win, but those that can endure the most. The Palestinians have endured, and continue to endure, a great deal. It has not broken them, not will it ever. It only makes them stronger. It has also won the the respect and solidarity of justice lovers everywhere. With our help, their day is coming soon. Israel is doomed. All colonialism is doomed. Against us all it cannot stand.

The internet is last nail in its coffin. Now, for the first time in history, ordinary working people can communicate across oceans and continents, one on one, in real time, for a nominal fee, and often for free. This gives us the opportunity to organize coordinated, grass roots resistance on a global scale. This has never happened before. We have only just begun to realize the potential we hold in our hands. Once we learn to make it manifest, together we can defeat the elites, and free this planet once and for all.

Globalize the Intifada!

Death to colonialism!

Down with all all supremicism, ethnic, national, or whatever. It's all evil, and it's all doomed. Our global solidarity is the stake that we are driving through its heart.

For over 400 years, the area you call palestine included both sides of the Jordan River.

Can the ideology. Show me a map. Show be a historic document with boundaries. Or just tell me "I don't care about the facts"

Posted for people who do care about history and the truth: map of the Ottoman empire

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/ottoman_empire_asia_1792.jpg

It's a map of the Ottoman Empire.

Why don't they show us who agrees with the Zionists that Jordan is Palestine? Is there anyone who is not a Zionist who believes this? Who are they, and why should we believe them?

Neither did America before the Brits were thrown out.

The issue is that in the area under Zionist control, one ethnic group rules over the others. That is racism, pure and simple. No map can justify racism, ever.

If “they do it, too” were a valid excuse, Hitler would be off the hook for killing those six million Jews, because Stalin killed six million Ukrainians.

So why not get rid of the hashemeite quislings and give what is now Jordan to the Palestinians as their state? Most of the population is Palestinian anyway.

Now they are trying to trick us into endorsing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Their euphamism for it is "transfer." It's what Nazis did to Jews with Eichmann's trains. It is defined as a crime against humanity by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Article 7).

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer

"The issue is that in the area under Zionist control, one ethnic group rules over the others."

Many of them (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, et al) deal with this issue by not allowing JEWS in their country!
At one point, there were many of North African/Middle Eastern Jews, but over 850,000 were forcibly removed from their homes, many with just the clothes on their back. These are the forgotten refugees from this conflict.

How many times do I have to say this?

If “they do it, too” were a valid excuse, Hitler would be off the hook for killing those six million Jews, because Stalin killed six million Ukrainians.

(1.) It's not.

(2.) If “they do it, too” were a valid excuse, Hitler would be off the hook for killing those six million Jews, because Stalin killed six million Ukrainians.

(3.) The name is derived from the Peleset, a bronze age people.

(4.) What actually matters is not who lived there when, but who lives there today. Today, a variety of peoples live in Palestine, but only one rules. It dominates they others by force of arms, with the same racist excuse the Nazis used, Blod und Boden. A racist is a racist is a racist. Racists rule Palestine in a regime that makes Jim Crow look like a Sunday school picnic. That's the issue. Don't let the racists distract you from it with all these irrelevancies.

The name comes from the Phillistines- the Romans changed the day of the land from "Judea" in revenge for the bar Kochba rebellion.
The Philistines had occupied the coast of southern Canaan- in what is now called Gaza.
If the area of the Phillistines is the ancestral homeland of the Palestininians- then they'd get Gaza but not Israel proper and not the West Bank. Sure you want to assert that?

(4.) What actually matters is not who lived there when, but who lives there today.

A majority of Jews lives in Israel. 80%. The Jews are a minority , if you count Jordan.

Today, a variety of peoples live in Palestine, but only one rules.

Yep. Majority rules. Democracy is like that. In many ways, the Parlimentary system is more democractic than ours becuase third parties are brought into the coalition.
In Jordan however, a minority rules. And there are no Jews allowed.


Don't let the racists distract you from it with all these irrelevancies.

Yep. Ignore the man behind the curtain. History doesn't matter. Facts are unimportant.

When who rules is decided by ancestry, that's not democracy. That's racism. Israel "proper" is only part of the territory under Zionist control. Even there, Jews have more rights than non Jews. In the so-called "Occupied Territories," non Jews have no rights whatsoever, least of all the right to participate in the so-called "democracy" of Israel "proper."

Israel is a Theocracy isn't it, if one must be a 'Jew' by faith, as someone remarked earlier, in order to receive the blessings of personhood.
This is also remarkable the effort necessary to cover the commonly known genocide of the Residents living in Palestine since the Zionists became armed invaders with re-chambered Mousers and now nukes.

'Israel is a Theocracy isn't it,"

Why, no its not. Thank you for asking.
A theocracy is rule by religious law. Israel is a secular state.

" if one must be a 'Jew' by faith, as someone remarked earlier, in order to receive the blessings of personhood."

No, again. Twenty percent of the population of israel is not Jewish. They have all the full rights and priviledges of citizenship.


"This is also remarkable the effort necessary to cover the commonly known genocide of the Residents "

The population of Palestinians has increased remarkably since this "commonly known genocide". As a regular commentator once remarked, the israeli genocide machine is stuck in reverse.

You mean that despite the constant armed incursions, abductions assassinations starvation and lack of drinking water inside the constricted zones the Palestinians have been pushed into still manage to survive and increase in number? Wow. You Zionists better either kill all of them, drive them out or give up. These are people of steel.

Yes, it's still genocide. Look it up. According to the Geneva Accords.
Big WHHAAAAA about that, huh? Yep, genocide.

From 1967 to 1993 Israel built 166 health clinics and expanded sewage, water, and electrification grids.
Israel paid universal health insurance for all Palestinians. Israel built 6 Universities and 20 Community Colleges for the Palestinians. Infant mortality rates dropped and literacy rates soared. Yep. Even for women. Today, the birth rate in Gaza is amongthe highest in the world.

Genocide machine clearly stuck in reverse.
So , show me in the Geneva convention how this is genocide.

In the years following PA control of Gaza and the West Bank, widespread corruption on the part of the leadership led to decaying infrastructure and lack of services. Arafat died with 5 billion dollars missing from the PA treasury, according to Al Jeezera. Then as now, the worst enemy of the Palestinian people is the Palestinian leadership

You did my ass. You just lie. Or maybe just well, impaired. Sorry about that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
Genocide is the mass killing of a group of people as defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

You are now free to lie or equivocate as usual.

When you go on about how wonderful the Zionist occupation is by citing selected numbers and other BS it still boils down to genocide even if these people still manage to survive as a people.
Stuff your cherry picked statistics and stop your on going cultural grinding mill on the Palestinian People.
Dealing with hair splitting nit picking lawyer wantabees or other denizens of this sickness is instructive to say the least.
GENOCIDE even with the perfume.

The petty and spiteful response that hardly shows Judaism in a good light. It shows a vengeful, unrelenting carnivorous dogma. Void of compassion or negotiation. Brittle and bitter. It will break and anyone associated with its ideology will fall with it. Beware. Zionism means death.

The petty and spiteful response that hardly shows Judaism in a good light and I believe this is the *hidden* agenda of Zionists. Again they will sacrifice world Jewry for a vengeful, unrelenting, carnivorous dogma. Void of compassion or negotiation. Brittle and bitter, slashing against the rising wind of truth, it will break and anyone associated with its ideology will fall with it. Beware. Zionism means death.
Palestine must have the walls the wires the tanks the war-craft and the Iron boot of empire removed collectively from all the residents of this tortured land.

The counter point of Zionism. Repeated doses of refried propaganda and lies.
The petty and spiteful response that hardly shows Judaism in a good light and I believe this is the *hidden* agenda of Zionists. Again they will sacrifice world Jewry for a vengeful, unrelenting, carnivorous dogma. Void of compassion or negotiation. Brittle and bitter, slashing against the rising wind of truth, it will break and anyone associated with its ideology will fall with it. Beware. Zionism means death.
Palestine must have the walls the wires the tanks the war-craft and the Iron boot of empire removed collectively from all the residents of this tortured land.

The petty and spiteful response that hardly shows Judaism in a good light and I believe this is the *hidden* agenda of Zionists. Again they will sacrifice world Jewry for a vengeful, unrelenting, carnivorous dogma. Void of compassion or negotiation. Brittle and bitter, slashing against the rising wind of truth, it will break and anyone associated with its ideology will fall with it. Beware. Zionism means death.
Palestine must have the walls the wires the tanks the war-craft and the Iron boot of empire removed collectively from all the residents of this tortured land.

An delegation of Israeli volunteers, masking their Jewish identities,arrived at a Somali refugee camp on the Kenyan border Sunday.

The volunteers arrived at the camp on behalf of the Jerusalem AIDS
Project, an Israeli organization which promotes education for
HIV/AIDS prevention, public health, training, and counseling.

The refugee camp is populated by an overwhelming majority of Muslims,
and only camp administrators were aware of the fact that the envoy
was Israeli.

The organization' s Executive Director Hanni Rozenberg joined the
envoy, which aimed at assessing the urgent needs of the refugees, who
were struggling to survive in the dire conditions.

"It was 45 degrees yesterday and the conditions are hard to bear.
There are a large number of refugees here who have AIDS, malaria,
polio, and various fevers, and they cannot leave here," Rozenberg
explained.

"There is terrible malnutrition here, its like landing on another
planet. There is so much to be done," she continued.

Basic medical equipment lacking

The organization began by distributing clothing for infants and
toddlers, who spent their days in worn out rags before the envoy
arrived. But the lack of clothing, and widespread malnutrition, were
not the only problems at the camp.

Rozenberg, a nurse, was shocked at the local birthing rooms, which
she says did not even have basic equipment. She also expressed
concern over the fact that such a large part of the camp's population
was sick, and only five doctors were available to them, two per
shift.

"We came here to see what basic equipment is needed, as well as
medical training, health education, and medicine, in order to help
the Muslims to reduce AIDS," Rozenberg explained.

"Awareness here is very low, people don't use condoms and the number
of carriers rises. Girls aren't allowed to leave the huts after
sundown because there is fear of rape. We are hoping we can help, and
get Israel involved. That's why we are in contact with the foreign
ministry and the local embassy," she said.

Rozenberg said that after needs were evaluated, the organization
would meet with IsraAID, an Israeli NGO focusing on AIDS awareness
and prevention, in order to begin purchasing equipment.

Rozenberg also said that volunteers would be trained in cesarean-
sections, infant operations, and health education.

"It's a bottomless pit. Whatever they can bring is welcome. Only
someone who is actually here can understand how horrible it really
is," Rozenberg concluded.

Maybe this will make up for the policy of ethnic murder/cleansing of the Palestinians and we can all forget about the misery and horror of life under Israeli terror.

Did I ever say that parrot like mimicry is the most retarded form of flattery?
Particularly when the laughable attempt to mimic only points out the absurdities these idiots think we believe?
"israel" and all its military might has no soul and can only substitute power for its lack of strength, hubris for lack of courage and spite for understanding.
Long live the Resistance and the steel of the Palestinian spirit.

Only a zombie would believe the previous inversion of power and terror.
It doesn't wash anymore and sounds more hollow which each attempt and convincing. On the ground, in the ghettoes, behind the wire, the walls and the machine guns, under the tanks, bulldozers and daily assaults ( just like here! ) the Palestinians refuse to beg and grovel on their knees. Pisses you off no end.

Only a zombie would believe the previous inversion of power and terror.
It doesn't wash anymore and sounds more hollow which each attempt and *less* convincing. On the ground, in the ghettoes, behind the wire, the walls and the machine guns, under the tanks, bulldozers and daily assaults ( just like here! ) the Palestinians refuse to beg and grovel on their knees. Pisses you off no end.

A new poll released by Near East Consulting, a Palestinian research institute, asked Palestinians, "Does Israel have the right to exist?"
Among young people ages 18-25, those who have been most influenced by PA education, between 84% and 93% denied Israel's right to exist.
PA teachings denying Israel's right to exist are endemic throughout PA society and media, which would account for the high levels of denial of Israel's legitimacy throughout PA society.

'Israel' is a crime and it commits crimes in our name with our weapons.
The Palestine People Have A Right to Move Freely With Equal Rights Within Their Land.
Anything else is just crap. And not so clever crap at that.

but by force of arms.

No one could expect to believe the mindless, mental dribbling which is coming from these 'tards.
Turning the facts inside out only looks ridiculous.
He is wrong Sunday, Mar. 04, 2007 at 1:24 PM -
If this is Zionism it lacks any grasp on the obvious petty absurdities they spew out *and expect us to not laugh at* their arrogant assumption on their superior cleverness.
Israel is a criminal enterprise that needs to be sanctioned before these arrogant racist assholes begin a nuclear war with one of their unregistered nukes.

This is what being a Zionazi equates to. Reduced to following up in a mindless parrot like mimicry words that show the shallow, petty and pathetic attempts at zionesque 'wit'.
While only demonstrating the empty ideology that can only imitate and never create. All the time believing themself as being oh so clever as they are stuck in a self serving blindness that hides their own weakness from only themselves. Like the lies that cover the Zionist criminal ideology, it cannot support itself with reason or truth.

'Israel' is still wanking about other nations that don't have nukes when it has hundreds of warheads because 'Israel' lives in the shadow of their own actions and racist self appointed superiority to fear all others because deep down inside they may have the unmentionable knowledge that the evil they have to deal with is a result of their ideology of hate.

In response to several hidden or to be hidden posts...
See...
Wait for it....
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/193547_comment.php#194599
Now go home, where ever the Shoel that may be.

"Haters on this site" are the very reason Nazis or Proto- Nazis are hidden.
Israel is a threat to any and all of its nation neighbors due to Israeli actions and rhetoric and their neighbors have much to fear.
Israel is not surrounded; they have a nuclear and conventional boot on the necks of the middle east.

ZIONAZI TANTRUMS WRITES:

"Israel is a threat to any and all of its nation neighbors due to Israeli actions and rhetoric and their neighbors have much to fear. Israel is not surrounded; they have a nuclear and conventional boot on the necks of the middle east."

BECKY: Israel has never threatened anyone. It has resolved to defend itself against four aggressive wars waged against it (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973) and two intifadas. Should Israel's contiguous neighbors (Look at a map, TANTRUMS!) Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the PA and Egypt, and its nearby neighbors, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, choose to attack Israel, it would be alone in defending itself.

For all are Muslim countries(with the exception of Lebanon) but only two have a peace treaty with Israel. Each country has militant groups within who have vowed to destroy Israel.

The fear that Israel has nuclear weapons and the ability to retaliate, should the Jewish state be attacked, has kept Israel safe from conventional warfare since 1973. TANTRUMS wants you to believe that this is Israel's "boot on the mideast" when its more accurately characterized as Israel's refusal to be genocided/destroyed.

For TANTRUMS, black is white, up is down, and victims are pepetrators while pepetrators are "victims."

BECKY thinks that by merely repeating the same lies and distortions and outright propaganda, carries any weight.
They don't.
And screeching 'anti-semitism' is only making you sound parrot-like.
Zionists by their vicious invasion and repeated incursions into the lives of others, is a long history of Zionazi aggression.
I often wonder who influenced who more, the Nazis or the Zionists when they were working together to form 'israel'.

Editors! Please automatically delete any post containing the phase "Zionazi"- that in itself is hate speech.

The Zionist and the Nazis are brothers in spirit.
What's the problem.
They worked in concert to invade Palestine when they and Eichmann planned the enterprise. It's an apt name for the sect.

The Zionist and the Nazis are brothers in spirit.
What's the problem.
They worked in concert to invade Palestine when they and Eichmann planned the enterprise. It's an apt name for the sect.

'israel' needs to be bashed until it recognizes the Palestinian Right to Humanity.
Sanctions and Boycott for the gangster state of 'israel'.

If the prison populations of Palestine in their ghettoes, under the boot of the massive israeli military can be blamed for their situation, then Zionesque logic would make sense...
It doesn't.

Commit a crime, go to jail. Palestinians aren't a special class. They already get other special treatment. They have a UN aid organization that only services Palestinians and no other refugee population. It just goes on an on.

-other special treatment.-
Yes we know all about the "other special treatment." that the state of 'israel' reserves for their captive, starving Palestinian populations.
Racist scum should not talk from both sides of their pie hole.

Oh really?
-Anti-Jewish Race Laws were enacted in Sept., 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler’s favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine.

As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:

“It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions...-

Palestine was no shelter to the Jews because of collaboration between the Grand Mufti and the Nazis

In 1942, the Red Cross offered to mediate an exchange of 10,000-orphaned Polish Jewish children in exchange for Nazi prisoners of war. Eichmann expressed interest in the exchange but was contravened by the Grand Mufti of Palestine who put a stop to it. He was reported to have said something to the effect that little Jews will grow up to be big Jews. The 10,000 children were sent to the gas chamber

Only place I ever saw that was on anti-semitic websites. name date and publication, please. lets verify!

There is no book by that author with that title. There is a similar book called
"Ben-Gurion and the Holocaust". However it is only 310 pages, so I'm not going to be able to find a reference on page 800 +.
I'll make you a deal. If I can prove that this quote is false or taken out of context- will you stop using it? Otherwise, I do have better thing sto do with my time.

ISRAEL WAS EVERTHING


By MARTIN GILBERT; MARTIN GILBERT'S MOST RECENT BOOKS ARE ''WINSTON S. CHURCHILL: ROAD TO VICTORY 1941-1945,'' ''SHCHARANSKY: HERO OF OUR TIME'' AND ''THE HOLOCAUST: A HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF EUROPE DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR.''
Published: June 21, 1987
By 1933 the achievements of Ben-Gurion did not seem to call for further extraordinary exertions. In 1933, however, Adolf Hitler's rise to power shook the slow evolutionary pattern out of its then somewhat languishing mold (there was one 12-month period shortly before 1933 when more Jews decided to leave Palestine than decided to immigrate there).

Six years after Hitler came to power in Germany, there was a further stimulus to the demand for statehood when the British Government closed the gates of Palestine to all but a fragment of those who were then trying to reach its shores in rapidly growing numbers. At a conference in London in January 1939, Ben-Gurion pleaded in vain for the British to allow the Jews to become a majority in Palestine (as Churchill had envisaged in 1922 and reiterated in 1937).

Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: ''If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''

"Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine"


So whats all this we hear about Britain enabling the Jews in Israel- sounds more like they were an obstacle than an aid.

Aside from the fact that the Brits only care about Briton, who tried to bomb the King David Hotel in order to embroil ( frame ) Arabs?
Want to know more?
The Outrage. The Bombing of the King David Hotel. On the morning of the 22nd of July 1946 a party of between 15 and 20 Jews, dressed as an Arabs entered the King David Hotel.
See URL.

The King David Hotel was the site of the British military command and the British Criminal Investigation Division. The Irgun chose it as a target after British troops invaded the Jewish Agency June 29, 1946, and confiscated large quantities of documents. At about the same time, more than 2,500 Jews from all over Palestine were placed under arrest. The information about Jewish Agency operations, including intelligence activities in Arab countries, was taken to the King David Hotel.

A week later, news of a massacre of 40 Jews in a pogrom in Poland reminded the Jews of Palestine how Britain's restrictive immigration policy had condemned thousands to death.

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties. In fact, the plan was to warn the British so they would evacuate the building before it was blown up. Three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.
On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews." As a result, when the bombs exploded, the casualty toll was high: a total of 91 killed and 45 injured. Among the casualties were 15 Jews. Few people in the hotel proper were injured by the blast.

In contrast to Arab attacks against Jews, which were widely hailed by Arab leaders as heroic actions, the Jewish National Council denounced the bombing of the King David.

For decades the British denied they had been warned. In 1979, however, a member of the British Parliament introduced evidence that the Irgun had indeed issued the warning. He offered the testimony of a British officer who heard other officers in the King David Hotel bar joking about a Zionist threat to the headquarters. The officer who overheard the conversation immediately left the hotel and survived.

Zionazis can excuse anything as we have seen many times, as in this little phrase:

'A week later, news of a massacre of 40 Jews in a pogrom in Poland [*]reminded[*] the Jews of Palestine how Britain's restrictive immigration policy had condemned thousands to death
"
You see, this is the problem I have.
1st
It was done not to counter any threat, but to paste another atrocity committed by Zionist, on Arabs. Out of revenge of what 'they were reminded of'.
2nd
The Zionist didn't mind sacrificing more innocent Jews to accomplish this.
I believe that this is a common theme Zionists adhere to in order to further the Zionist agenda no matter the justice of such actions.

You know, all this [*] reminds me [*] that the warnings to israelis before the blast kinda resembles the Odigo alerts at the 9-11 WTC attacks, for [*] another [*] event to be blamed on Arabs. Without any evidence save magic passports, heavily salted evidence in parked cars and voodoo videos.

You seem to think that an alleged warning to some limey officers and another pizza parlor analogy makes this anything but business as usual for murder and framing.
There are so many terrorist events participated, not by 'fringe' groups but rather future leaders and policy makers of the gangster colonial enterprise, known as 'Israel', without any regard to the inhabitants save the necessity of subjugation and theft of their homes, lands, liberty and lives.
Your repetitious apologies and equivocations are almost as disgusting as the outright lies.

Let's look at this again for the memory challenged...

Three days after the WTC disaster, Newsweek, the Washington Post and the Knight Ridder newspapers reported claims that five of the terrorist hijackers in the Sept 11 attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations during the 1990s. The reports also claimed three of the terrorists had listed their address as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla., and had participated in military exchange programs for foreign officers at the Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida

or....
-Newsweek Story: Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Military Bases
By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry

-Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses
and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla. -- known as
the "Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation," according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy
source.

or

On September 16th 2001, detnews suddenly reported:
"...The Air Force, meanwhile, confirmed that three people named by the FBI as suspects in the hijackings have names similar to three non-Americans who attended U.S. military schools. The names are Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Alghamdi,Saeed, the Air Force said. It added, however, that discrepancies in their biographical information, such as birthdates, make it unlikely that they are the same three named by the FBI. One of the three attended the Defense Language Institute at Monterey, Calif., and the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala.; one attended just the language institute, and one the Aerospace Medical School, the Air Force said..." Source:
http://detnews.com/2001/nation/0109/16/nation-295698.htm
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Actually, All of these intelligence cutouts were ‘trained’ at secure military bases; if you want, I will provide URLs.

Nice try.
Are you individuals STILL trying to ride this obvious false flag into the glorious sunset of more wars to further the aims of colonial imperialism, using ‘Israel’ as a disposable cat’s paw in the middle east?
Not a good thing for the people in Palestine, no matter which side of the ghetto walls they live. But deep down inside, I'm sure you know this.

Even if you assume that they did train at military schools, and that is by no means proven- all that indicates to me is that our goverenment and our military are so poorly run that they'd take anyone who volunteered, without doing sufficient background checks.

You mean to say that these *secure* military bases just happened to *accidently* have these alleged hijackers train there?
Wow.
Talk about cognitive disconnect.
Or maybe you think anyone still buys it. Good luck.

My main point is that Zionism is nothing but a danger by association of Jews world wide, to this ideology of murder , frames ups and land theft and is a deliberate plan to demonize Jews again all over the world aided by your continuous conflation of Zionism and Judaism.
You individuals are working towards another holocaust.
And I think you also know this.

If the above comments by one of our representatives of Zionism is any sign
"your continuous conflation of Zionism and Judaism. "
by Sheepsh*t Monday, Mar. 12, 2007 at 6:09 PM
we can pity these would be guards on non Zionist society.
with frothing lunacy as
'Wake up you jackbooted goosestepper! ' to fill what is otherwise drivel.
Hmmm seems one of their finest are riding a rail between fanaticism and paranoia.
Still slavering on the Jewishness though.
Maybe if you shriek it loud and often enough,
Maybe not...

where the Zionists propaganda mill has been spewing their racist filth, now that they are no longer welcome in LA, check out Omaha IMC:

Why boycotts are doomed to fail

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/883/index.php


Truth is always the best weapon

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/896/index.php


What was really offered at Camp David

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/876/index.php


Why Israelis hate the left, or, How to Speak Leftist

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/881/index.php


Modern Israel is a far cry from old South Africa

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/882/index.php


COUNTERING PRO-ISRAEL PROPAGANDA

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/887/index.php

Be fore these latest rantings of the deranged kind of mentality 'certain' sites undergo are hidden ( to begin another spasm of zionazi garbage ) I would like to say that this is only the finest example of the pathology driving the zionist worldview. ....

And once everyone gets to see the type of aggressive paranoia involved in this enterprise, and realize the kind of sickness the individuals who push it are afflicted with, the better.

re. psychopath racist warriors and their compulsions and obsessions.
As demonstrated by the tireless and oblivious fanatic(s) for terrorists posing as a Jewish movement...

If this is the type of equanimity demonstrated to non Jews in 'israel' to their wretched crowded and starving captive Palestinian people we sure can see a world under their military boot.

Check out these threads. They're a really good read. The Zionists are being made complete fools of.

If you actually READ the threads ( which have not been composted because not even the Omaha staff can restrain their disgust ) we see the same nauseating zionist garbage they shovel here. And in after a few exchanges, usually reduced to the parrot talk favored by these individuals.
They're predictable and shallow/MT
nessie counters with the analysis the reader should decide for themselves is either * reasonable* or not.

The Zionists have been reduced to resorting to logical fallacies like "ad hominem" and "style over substance," and mindless parrot mimicry. If they proceed according to form, next we can expect to see the threads flooded with bandwidth wasting, multi-thousand word posts, and with porn and cut-and-paste Nazi propaganda signed with forged names. They are so predictable when desperation sets in.

Nessie & Co. have the Zionists climbing the walls. Check it out. You'll laugh you butt off.

It seems that the Israel bashers get a tiny bit emotional and then their inner racist peaks out...always.

http://www.omahaimc.org/mod/comments/index.php

www.omahaimc.org/mod/comments/index.phpSc

...of the same; but repeated over and over, only to end up in the phantom zone of zionazi gibberish. We call it 'the hidden'.

-Nope, thats
by not whats happening Wednesday, and the thug will post until its fingers are tired, you bet. Racking up points for sure.

will repeat itself in this final resting place with all of the other MT of content, spam and obvious anti social pathology to keep the other petulant and self absorbed sect of individuals.
Can you imagine living as 2nd class citizens under an unchecked military presence of such ideologues?
Life would be a constant hell on earth.

It looks to me more like he came he to brag. He should, too. He's doing a hell of a job over there. Like he says, "What a guy."

For example:

Why is it always the cry of Jews who are wronged and never ever the crimes of the Zionist state?
Because zionazis can never admit any wrong.