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Why the Zionist Assault Upon LA IMC?
by Sheepdog
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 9:51 PM
Things don't happen by coincidence. There is always a cause and effect relation so we might wish to ponder on the following question. In the awful mess going on in the middle east with the ravaging of these lands with the effects of modern warfare, including low level and recently threatened high level nuclear munitions, we face a future of horror if it is allowed to proceed.
Can the assault on this wire by multiple ( I hope it doesn't involve just *one* poor creature in the throws of a strange epilepsy ) authors bent on a crusade of ' defending our new replacement for fresca , Ms. BJ. Why is this agent of zionism here with such a dedicated support team of one sided ideology.
Maybe the shitstorm in the lands of sands will explode and we must be well prepared by established opinions to apologize for this pathology of rapine and plunder to say nothing of plain slaughter...
There are many man-hours involved here by, we are led to believe, a least five different individuals who vary in degrees of bitter UNRELENTING dogma. All to point to the opinion that the people of Palestine ( or at least Muslims ) are a menace to all humanity in general and to the state of Israel in particular.
Like this apprehension is not a result of many of their own actions. Never will one word be issued to accept even one jot of blood on their own hands.
Personally I'm amazed at the time spent on this issue. Like I say all the time, these things happen for a reason and the more it happens the more it's likely to stink. Does Israel pan to finish the job? On all of us?
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so be fore it get hidden by 'mistake'
by Hi There!
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 9:54 PM
Just thought I'd ask.
Curious minds want to know.
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Why LA?
by just wondering
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Why not NC-IMC, which is crawling with actual Nazis and Klansmen?
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Bitterly,
by Tia
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:08 PM
We've explained this several times. You just don't get it.
We came here at the "invitation" of JA, who taunted us about his plans for Becky Johnson on Indybay, and left links to this site.
At least 3 of us regularly posted on Indybay. We live in the Bay area and consider ourselves community activists. But Indybay has decided to become a cultural and intellectual wasteland, modeled after, oh, lets say SF IMC, so we don't want to play there any more.
Of course, after we left, the only thing that remains are a handful of conspiracy theory posts, followed by the comment "great article, Indybay. We don't read about that in the mainstream media".
Indybay became so gosh darn dull after our departure that some of our regular tormentors followed us down here.
And thats the story, sweetheart. No great mystery, no great conspiracy.
I am sorry if 5 of us are too much for you to take on at once. I propose we take turns. We can schedule it at our next Zionist conspiracy meeting, to be held next Sunday, usual place.
It'll be a potluck , folks
Names A-G Drinks
H-M Vegetarian Main course
N- R Snacks
S- Z Dessert
FB infiltrators: bring salad.
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you're out numbered
by Sheepdog
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:22 PM
-am sorry if 5 of us are too much for you to take on at once-
You need more.
thank you.
:>)
'introduced by JA ha ha ha ha
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so tell me
by Sheepdog
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:29 PM
your operational orders... do you know why they are rigid in allowing so little leeway in admitting any complicity?
Are any of you tools aware of the strategy vs, the tactics?
I doubt it.
Here's a hint. The Jews will not be the beneficiaries and neither will the zionists. Talking about being set up to take a fall... If you don't know it, too bad, if you do then you have met all of my appraisals of your underlaying cause..
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We've got to stop meeting like this
by Tia
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:33 PM
Well, I went to check out the neo-nazis in North Carolina and there isn't an intelligent poster in the lot.
So why bother?
It 's the same reason I stop reading when the threads deteriorate into trash and porn. Why bother?
While at North carolina, I followed some links and came across this- apparently written by Nessie during one of his Lithium drips. Its kind of sweet:
(I thought I'd trash his reputation by re-printing something he wrote that showed the existence of a soul. )
"Carrying a sign around in the street a few hours a year does display a certain degree of righteousness. But it is purely symbolic. It is not direct action, even when they cross against the light. Carrying a bedpan is direct action. So is pushing broom, cooking food, shopping and doing laundry. So is the providing simple, daily human companionship that makes life worth living. That’s too big a load for some people to carry. So they settle for symbols.
In a concrete world, symbols are not enough. Real people need each other’s care. If we rely on the corporate-government complex to provide for us, we’re making a drastic mistake. We need to organize these things for our selves. "
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Why do I need a title?
by Tia
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:41 PM
your operational orders... do you know why they are rigid in allowing so little leeway in admitting any complicity?
Are any of you tools aware of the strategy vs, the tactics?
I doubt it.
Sweetheart, if I were doing this for pay, don't you think I'd be a lot better trained, a bit smoother, perhaps?
Here's a hint. The Jews will not be the beneficiaries and neither will the zionists. Talking about being set up to take a fall... If you don't know it, too bad, if you do then you have met all of my appraisals of your underlaying cause..
In hte world, there are 14 million Jews, and 1 and a quarter billion Muslims. With oil comes money and power. Anti-semitism is on the rise throughout the world.
I also fear for the future.
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I liked his dog anology, so what?
by Sheepdog
Friday, May. 26, 2006 at 11:44 PM
So why *does* it take at least five of you to 'enlighten ' us?
Personally I think the shifts are somewhat staggered, to allow some nap time aside from the 'off air' conferences or planting lies on IMC Watch..
( about me! that's so precious! ) .
Still ...
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-my "friend" Hex-
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:03 AM
Come on, level with me... You sent him or 'was' him, weren't 'you'.
He was fun to chew on. Much entertainment.
( Tweet! )
But seriously, him, JA and all the other numbnuts gotta come from the same basket.
And it's most likely your basket.
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can't stop...
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:15 AM
... laughing.
The dynamic pentangle, cast loose from the exploded campsite of Indybay riding the seas of dark and bitter vacuum into the green and welcome websitesite *without any 'people' for a PEOPLE without a site*.
Please stop.
can't breath...
wait
thank you.
:>)
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JA was remarkable
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:20 AM
But you don't want to hear these remarks save that he was also funny.
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megafauna is right
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:35 AM
thankfully megafauna only blooms at night... where's that triffid sickle?
wait.
laughter threatening
okay, now listen... is it really too much to believe that you all don't have a nearly lockstep stamped methodology and message. Too much repetitions of patterns of response and terminology to not be scripted.. .
get on with you now. Kinda stretching my probability vectors there .
But maybe some else would buy it.
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Megafauna blooms at night?
by Tia
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM
No, that would be her sister, Megaflora.
Why do we all sound the same? Easy answer. Did you saintly mom ever tell you that "liars need good memories"
We tell the truth. From History. We don't need to remember who said what when- its all recorded. We have history and truth on our side.
History and truth don't change. Our message doesn't change.
Megafauna, are you a zombie?
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oh, and did I mention...
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:42 AM
did I mention the huge graphic and data base, ready at the moments notice, mind you, of oft repeated usually fault sourced 'reference' material.
All of it suspiciously familiar. This is in particular reference to your own little Ms. BJ.
Your people are not too subtle.
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oh, and did I mention...
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:50 AM
.. the INVARIABLE troll tactics of, creating false conflicts which you think fools anyone, the spam, parrots, threats and last but not least, the infallibility of zionism on any level.
Never any blood or sorrow for the grief they have caused because that would mean they would have to recognize the 'other' as human.
Bet on it.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:55 AM
indeed
-Becky is a real journalist?-
get on with your jolly self, my good fellow.
That stuff would qualify me....
ha ha ha ha hah
Stop paying her and she would stop being a 'journalist'.
OOOOoooo
Oh
was that harsh? Can I help?
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more Zionist lies, etc.
by Coincidence? Perhaps.
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 1:47 AM
>we don't want to play there any more. >after we left, They didn't leave. They were thrown out. >The reason Nessie doesn't want us here because for his ideology to succeed, we must be considered less than human. The reason Nessie doesn't want them here is because they preach racism. When anyone preaches racism on any IMC, it discredits the entire network and every IMCista. As for being human, it's not enough. Hitler was human, so was Stalin, Pol Pot an Vlad the Impaler. So what? Humanity is not the issue here. The issue here is quality control. Until Indymedia has a network wide policy of zero tolerance for enemy propaganda, disinformation, gibberish, spam and flame wars, and enforces it consistently, IMC is not credible as a source of news and IMCistas are not credible as Global Justice activists. Credible activists do not tolerate racists, warmongers, misogynists, homophobes or apologists for ecocide and exploitation to exist, let alone frolic, in their midst. Credible journalists fact check. If Indymedia is to remain less than credible as a source of news, and IMCistas are to remain less than credible as activists, what is the point of Indymedia existing at all? It's time to stop letting racists, warmongers, misogynists, homophobes and apologists for ecocide and exploitation negate Indymedia's credibility with their vile spew. Throw them all out, and make IMC a threat again. We must repel the assault of our enemies. There is too much at stake not to. This war. There is no second place winner. Our enemies are playing for keeps. So must we. And speaking of assaults, can it be merely a coincidence that simultaneous to the overt Zionist assault on LA-IMC, SmashTheLeft has gone on a manic posting frenzy rampage and SF-IMC is being bombarded by spam bots? See: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1AD22D6A
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nessie is soft on Zionism
by down with nessie
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 8:07 AM
nessie is a Jew loving Zionist bastard, who allowed gehrig to post at SF for a year or more, and gehrig is a sayan and his hate filled screeds were posted at known Zionist sites. nessie knew it, and did nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
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"see Zionism for what it is: Hateful Racism"
by but wait, there's more
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 8:29 AM
Zionists are more than just hateful racists. They are liars, forgers, thieves, torturers and murderers. They also have a record of collaborating with Nazis that stretches back three quarters of a century.
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News?! Ha ha ha ha
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 8:42 AM
NewS?!?
This is old stuff and most times we wait for the numbnuts to beat themselves into flames.
The situation of the zionist assault on this wire is a topic that is very pertinent and too bad if you don't like it.
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nevermind judasgoat
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 8:52 AM
she's just bitter.
Anyway, why are you so damned interested in LA? Got something up 'your' sleeve?
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"by heard it before Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:00 AM"
by there they go again
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:19 AM
More noise to drown out what they obviously consider an important topic.
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How it all started
by Becky Johnson
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:24 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/146096_comment.php BECKY: During a google search I found this article at LA.indymedia.org The TITLE of the article accused me of being someone else. So I came here to defend myself, drawn by JA's smear campaign against me. The only person I alerted was Lee Kaplan of dafka.org who has been a guest on my television show several times. I don't think Lee posted more than one or two comments. Everyone else from Indybay came down because of the links JA himself provided at Indybay.org Now, that a few of us are here posting, SHEEPDOG and NESSIE (who has his very own IMC in SF!!) can't STAND that we can post here without being censored too much. Nessie especially is REAL BIG on CENSORSHIP. As you can see by his zillions of posts (under several different names to create the illusion that a LOT of people feel as he does) he is vehemently hateful towards Jews, Israelis, Israel, and Judaism. Since I am not Jewish, not an Israeli, and am a well-known homeless activist in Nessie's backyard, he singles me out for special abuse. Readers need to know what HIS agenda is. Censorship, exclusion, hate-speech, smears of activists, propaganda, and anti-semiticism.
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"can't STAND that we can post here without being censored too much."
by you got that right
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:27 AM
It is disgraceful that *any* Imc would publish racist propaganda of any kind. Here, it's Zionists. On NC-IMC, it's Nazis. The few few differences between Zionists and Nazis are minor, inconsequential, and of style rather than substance.
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"The few few differences between Zionists and Nazis are minor, inconsequential"
by heard it before
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:33 AM
It is disgraceful to nessie that *any* Imc would publish anti-racist propaganda of the counter-antizionist kind. Here, he can't stand Zionists. The very few differences between rabid anti-Zionists and Nazis are minor, inconsequential, and of style rather than substance.
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"by heard it before Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:33 AM "
by there they go again
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:34 AM
Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are: http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248 (snip) Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter it’s meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author. (snip) * * * * * Zionists love to sign other people's names. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's.
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":by heard it before Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:45 AM"
by see what I mean?
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:51 AM
Once again they prove I am telling the truth about them.
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"by see what I mean? Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:51 AM "
by debate coach
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:55 AM
>see what I mean?
This is begging the question. What one means isn't visible.
>Once again they prove I am telling the truth about them.
Who is "they"!?!
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"by debate coach Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 9:55 AM "
by there they go again
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 10:09 AM
People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything. For example: >they died during the course of the battle, and they were not targeted for destruction. This is a bald faced lie. See: http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover. In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage. Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora. Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries.
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Wrong question.
by it's a trick, don't fall for it
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 11:04 AM
>How many times has he robo-reposted that particular bit of spam?
Better question: is it true or untrue?
Even better question: What do you call someone who is trying to distract you from the truth by talking about numbers?
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snowballed
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:19 PM
So...
Now we are provided with distractions on historical perception.
What about now? Like we really needed a replacement for fresca.
Or another diatribe about how the past and present slaughter is never the product of assaults against another faction, and Israel is never to blame.
For anything; and the assault on this wire is just a coincidence of happenstance. So still, why are 'you' so interested in LA?
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awwwww!
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 12:27 PM
wow, and this coming from you.
I call it focus. And you still seem so abnormally interested in the LA IMC, So what's on the stove anyway? This bowl weevil tale of woe is just not cutting it.
Oh.
Find another job for Ms. BJ.
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Some pewople deny the Holocaust.
by heard it before
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 1:03 PM
Other people deny al Nakbha.
I choose to believe Zionism's victims version, and not that of their oppressors and their enablers. You can believe whom you choose.
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heh heh... please
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 1:27 PM
Look I'm not asking you to confess.
Just leave and tale Ms. BJ off the payroll. Then she'll leave.
Problems solved.
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"Its our community."
by another Zionist lie
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 1:29 PM
No it's not. They threw you out.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 1:47 PM
She's exhibited more professionalism- than my other favorite paid shill, Dan Rather.
Oh that's right, he retired.
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Looks like our days may be numbered
by Becky Johnson
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 3:04 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
NOTE THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE 1ST IMC MEETING OF THE LA IMC --- This is the monthly meeting. On the agenda: - what to do about the Israel/anti-Israel/Zionist/anti-Zionist fights on the newswire Location: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D233517DC
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 3:23 PM
This assault on LA IMC
they are called fights? Too much.
More like attacks and counter attacks.
So how much of your income comes from your zionist sponsors, Ms. BJ.?
Did you ever answer that or did I miss it? With all your postings and all.
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"what a wasteland their censorship has made of Indybay.org"
by translator
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 6:08 PM
To the Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't spew their racist propaganda is a wasteland. To the rest of the world, it's about time these vile scum were ejected. What took to long?
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"what to do"
by a very short list
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 6:42 PM
There is only one moral thing to do. Throw the racists out. There is no, repeat *no*, moral excuse for allowing racist aggressors to broadcast their vile propaganda on IMC bandwidth. It dishonors the entire network and discredits everyone connected with it.
Now that you have had a chance to see them in action, you cannot help but realize what liars, bullies and thieves they are. And this is in cyberspace. You can imagine what they're like on the ground, where they have guns, tanks and bulldozers at their disposal.
People like this have no place in Indymedia, and their propaganda has no place on Indymedia bandwidth. Don't let their death threats intimidate you. Stand up for what's right, and throw the racists out.
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so...
by Sheepdog
Saturday, May. 27, 2006 at 8:05 PM
you're not going to tell me?
fair enough.
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"To the Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't spew their racist propaganda is
by heard it before
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:37 AM
>To the Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't spew their racist propaganda is a wasteland
Au contraire. To the rabid anti-Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't stamp out dissent to their racist spew is a wastland.
> To the rest of the world, it's about time these vile scum were ejected.
This is an overgeneralization. Much among "the rest of the world" do not long for Zionist anti-racists to be ejected.
>What took to long?
Incomprehensible jumble.
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"by heard it before Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:37 AM "
by see what I mean?
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 5:27 AM
People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything. Want you IMC to be know for the lies it tells? Then make the racists welcome.
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"Want you IMC to be know for the lies it tells?"
by bunk logic
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 5:44 AM
>see what I mean?
This begs the question. What one means is invisible.
>People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.
Indeed, people who believe others can see what they mean can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.
>Want you IMC to be know for the lies it tells? Then make the racists welcome.
This is a non-squitor, i.e. more bunk logic.
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"by bunk logic Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 5:44 AM "
by there they go again
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:07 AM
Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are: http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248 (snip) Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter it’s meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author. (snip) * * * * * Zionists love to sign other people's names. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's.
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so...
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:13 AM
When camp LA IMC explodes and the pentangle +1 boards their escape capsule, in quest of the green fields ( another site w/o a 'people' for a People w/o a site ) of Santa Barbara, I guess I should tell my friends there to be ' on the look out'.
:>)
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ha ha
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:29 AM
oh dear, little self declared Mr. Scape goat doesn't want to be a flying zionist, destined to wander the earth like its green friend.
Stop trying to justify your unstable position.
As well as your mental condition. Cease your attempt to 'take over' this wire and we will cease humiliating and exposing 'you'.
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history lesson
by gehrig
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:39 AM
sheep: "Cease your attempt to 'take over' this wire"
Well, that's the problem right there, isn't it, sheep. Nobody's trying to take over anything.
The IMC network was founded on the principle of open publishing -- "no gatekeepers." Take a look at the founding documents to see. The IMC principles are quite clear: the IMC newswires are to be free of political censorship.
You're calling for LA Indymedia to go directly against one of the core IMC principles, by establishing a regime of political censorship. So we'll see whether the folks at LA really mean it when they say they're an IMC, adhering to the IMC principles, or whether that's just lip service.
@%<
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look it up-
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:51 AM
your shift now huh?
come on, you really expect anyone to believe your crew isn't engaged in an assault in order to 'control' certain issues and subject, with the entire dumptruck of typical crap I've seen on other IMC sites, with the usual tactics of thread shredding.
If anyone has demonstrated the contempt for open publishing, it's your team mates.
You bums have overstayed your malicious vagrancy.
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And I *Still* would like to know.
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 7:02 AM
Why indeed is it so 'special' that your Ms. BJ finds a nice comfy campsite here to take up where she was terminated from doing in her own little nest.
You know the old saying about your own nest, don't you?
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background music...
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 7:10 AM
music for the ongoing assault on LA IMC
[ found this totally cool station ]
KPIG freedom, ca.
please forgive the interruption.
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awwwww!
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 7:47 AM
I guess you never did hear that old saying about your own nest.
We , well, okay; 'I' don't want her zionazi shit here. I let her post on other subjects w/o molestation. But I drew my own line and propagation of Israel's excesses.
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damn
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 7:54 AM
clipped it
Shit, I can't put up with the denial and excuses to further allow this sugar coating or outright lying to go on w/o at least challenging it. Call it what ever you wish.
My only weapon here is reason.
Too bad you are so reactionary in response to it.
words as weapons.
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"poisonous contempt"
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:02 AM
that's good.
Precisely. Absolutely no respect whatsoever towards Ms. BJ
Now that this is clear, we may proceed to the question of what kind of simpletons do you take our fellow readership for by this all wide eyed innocence and feigned injury ?.
Do I have to roll out the Welcome Wagon forever?
Sheesh.
You must love making a hufjuden ass of yourself.
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so...
by Judasgoat's imp
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:06 AM
When you meet my friends in Santa Barbara, tell em hi.
They really don't post much there. They come here to read me.
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Need some clarity
by Scapegoated Jew
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:08 AM
"a hufjuden". Seems like 'nessie' will run interference for your slip. Regardless, kindly translate this literally for me.
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half-Jew
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:13 AM
I grew up in occupied Berlin.
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My shift
by Tia
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:17 AM
Yep KPIG. My current favorite as well. Are you old enough to remember KFAT? KPIG is the heir apparent. Where else could you hear Spike Jones segued with the Dead?
Sadly, I feel I am watching the IMC network collapse like a house of cards. Just another group telling you what you should or should not know.
My favorite analogy for information: It should be served buffet style. You should examine everything, and pick and chose what seems best for you. I don't want my information spoon fed to be by anyone- not by my mother, not my my government, not by an IMC collective. Puree of information is for children. Give me mine, whole.
The only way we learn, the only way we grow, the only way we expand our intellectual limits is through exchange of ideas with people we not necessarily agree with. Thats the way to consensus and understanding.
Its all about celebrating diversity, folks, not hanging out with our own kind in cyber ghettos.
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you wish...
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:24 AM
heh heh
collapse like a house of cards-
that's good.
You're referring to the MSM not the wire.
The major reason 'you' devote so much time 'entertaining' yourselves.
Yup.
We don't matter so much your dedication to it's demise labors 24/7 to endeavor to fill this wire w/ rather overt nuisance and the usual predictable list of methods.
And...?
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*Sigh*
by Tia
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:30 AM
If there were a conspiracy
And our goal was destruction of the IMC wire
Don't you think we'd try a more direct approach?
A less time consuming one?
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that depends
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:33 AM
nevermind that.. too ... wait... okay, don't do it, please. Don't shut down this wire.
Please.
You don't want everyone to know just how weird you are about this.
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where troubles melt like lemon drops
by Tia
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:11 AM
My problem?
Perhaps the realization that if *we*, thousands of miles away from the conflict , can not find common ground to share our ideas and information, then there is no hope that the conflict in the Middle East will ever find peaceful resolution.
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Don't get all squishey on me
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:16 AM
Until and unless I read condemnation from you of the comments on this forum from the *other* members of this crew of individuals you are just one of the tag team.
Your common ground is all sweetness and light until the blade comes out.
Know what I mean?
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Divide and conquer, eh Sheepdog?
by Tia
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:32 AM
When they behave inappropriately, I've called them on it.
When I behave inappropriately , they've called me on it.
I am not the "Jewish mother" of IndyMedia , however.
When your folks misbehave, you blame the Zionists. (the mods of this site know differently, if they've been tracking IPs)
Black ops, you claim. No responsibility for your own.
There are no checks and balances on your side of the hill.
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don't give a crap about IPs
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:38 AM
duh... it's just too easy to play w/ IPs so don't hand me *any* 'proof' of anything you say it is or isn't.
It's the words and partnerships and ideology.
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IDEA for johnk :>)
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:47 AM
what about opening the page from the top?
then distractions and trains of discussion can be followed easier.
:>)
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kinda funny how all this seems to happen at once
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:18 AM
Isn't it?
Like a coincidence or something, right?
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Just wondering
by tia
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:24 AM
Occupied Berlin, huh?
What did Daddy/ Grandpa do during the war?
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Ve Ver Making sausage
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Mostly I was looking at shattered bridges, overgrown with vines reaching out to infinity over cold waters.
Piles of shattered buildings and streets. Holes in the rubble down into dark and deep bomb shelters.
Having to pull the blinds down on the train through Soviet occupied Berlin.
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(aside to everyone)
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:46 AM
Mr. Self assigned Judasgoat in the guise of a 'friend' of Jews w/ its somewhat less than fragile grasp on interpretations through its own dogma...
Please say something about your lame and obvious attempt to 'place' Ms. BJ here to replace you in your guise as 'fresca'.
Sorry about the cramps.
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I'll oblige
by Scapegoated Jew
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:54 AM
Now that we know how Johnson looks, I'm waiting for you -- as a guise for J.A. -- and fresca to upload one photo of you each to this site.
Now... please say something about the lack of reverence you displayed toward the bygone comrades in your previous comment.
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satisfied sigh...
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 11:03 AM
Awww it's all coming together now. A photo of little me? [ I love this sh*t!] Here. Again. Me and my familly so you can play with and post to your heart's content. :>) wait a moment here it is I posted a bunch of ma Shepard's photos some time ago ... to you, I believe. But okay, here they are and shots of my home and where I live and my friends and where I work and who I work with... oh well, you get the pictures... ahem wait for it now... here read the disclaimer 1st. Sheepdog's world. http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/49088.php
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Assault: perpetrators and tactics
by Becky Johnson
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 11:12 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
SHEEPDOG WRITES: "you really expect anyone to believe your crew isn't engaged in an assault in order to 'control' certain issues and subject..."
BECKY: Interesting choice of words: "assault"
ACCORDING TO THE DICTIONARY:
1. A violent onset or attack with physical means, as blows,
weapons, etc.; an onslaught; the rush or charge of an
attacking force; onset; as, to make assault upon a man, a
house, or a town.
BECKY: Since this is cyberspace, there has been no PHYSICAL assault.
2. A violent onset or attack with moral weapons, as words,
arguments, appeals, and the like; as, to make an assault
on the prerogatives of a prince, or on the constitution of
a government. --Clarendon.
BECKY: This is closer. We certainly ARE using moral weapons, as words, arguments, appeals and the like. But VIOLENT? Where are any of us advocating violence against other people who post or even against the Palestinians?
3. (Law) An apparently violent attempt, or willful offer with
force or violence, to do hurt to another; an attempt or
offer to beat another, accompanied by a degree of
violence, but without touching his person, as by lifting
the fist, or a cane, in a threatening manner, or by
striking at him, and missing him. If the blow aimed takes
effect, it is a battery. --Blackstone. Wharton.
Practically, however, the word assault is used to
include the battery. --Mozley & W.
BECKY: SOME of the anti-Zionists have done this. I have received death threats via IMC more than once. Sheepdog has menaced in this way. JA has made a sport of attacking me and those who support me. Is this an assault? Is it okay because the people attacked are "Zionists?"
Syn: Attack; invasion; incursion; descent; onset; onslaught;
charge; storm.
See also:
[Assail]
BECKY: The only way we could "control" LA. IMC would be to show up at their meetings, volunteer, get monitor status, and persuade other members of the collective to go along with us. And if we DID this, it would be perfectly acceptable, since we would have gone thu channels to do so.
What SHEEPDOG and the many-named Nessie are doing is attempting to persuade LA.IMC monitors/members that simply by engaging in debate here we are "assaulting" the site, rather than merely participating in the discussions here.
As usual, they can't win on a level playing field, so they have to try to cheat, by changing the rules to benefit them and to censor or IP block us.
Since we know the results of these efforts at SF.IMC and Indybay.org (now dead sites) I would encourage readers, LA.IMC members to consider if they want to kill their own site's viability on the alter of political correctness.
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Oh I forgot to ask...
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 11:15 AM
wow@wowzville,gov/ 666-911666 911Hellscorner, santa pendeho, ca.
You want my DNA also?
Lick your screen.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 11:26 AM
-what sheepdog wants-
you wish you knew. Too dark too twisted and too late.
Ha ha.
I know what I personally don't want is another apologizer of the 'unblemished reputation of Israeli menace. And your boring conflations, lies regurgitated propaganda ( seen it so many times elsewhere.. ) and tactical support.
As a representative of this obvious sea if injustice you cry about getting your toes stepped on.
Too bad.
Just keep sticking your ass out here and I'll be obliged to kick it.
I already told you I would allow you to front for the homeless in America.
Unless you miss behave.
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Message to Comrade Sheep
by Becky Johnson
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 2:53 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
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SHEEPDOG WRITES: "talk homeless issues on another thread"
BECKY: I'm sorry. Did I lose you? Let me explain. Some people think that only the right kind of people ought to be allowed to post on Indymedia. The argument has been made that "Zionazi assholes" and "right-wing neo-cons" with a "Zionist agenda" should not be allowed OUR bandwidth space for "their Zionist propaganda and lies" since "there are plenty of other sites for that" and "the corporate media already reports their issues."
So how is a non-Jewish,leftist, feminist, former welfare-mom, 10-yr writer for Street Spirit, radio producer and former station host for Free Radio Santa Cruz, member of the LA. IMC and one of the founders of Santa Cruz IMC, and who successfully sued the LAPD for police brutality, Is an outspoken medical-marijuana advocate, a homeless advocate, an anti-Vietnam, Yugoslavia, and Iraq war activist and a community television producer and talk show host morph instantly into a....
"right-wing conservative" and an "agent of zionism."
That is why my previous post was relevant to this thread. I am not one of them. I am one of you.
Note you referred to me directly in your lead article. Pretty much anything I write in response will be germain to this thread. You started it. Live with it.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:25 PM
Sure we can And I can point out what a liar you are as well as a shill for the murder and theft you call zionism and its perp, Israel.
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"a non-Jewish,leftist, feminist, former welfare-mom" etc.
by a racist is a racist is a racist
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:34 PM
Anyone who supports a racist state, for any reason, is doing evil. Whatever else they do is irrelevant.
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But the truth hurts, doesn't it?
by Becky Johnson
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:43 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
You have CALLED me a liar, a shill for murder, theft, and that Israel perpetrates these crimes, but who are you?
You're a nobody. While you ridicule MY accomplishments (which are real and independently documented) you have absolutely none of your own to point to. Your opinions mean virtually nothing to anyone. Now if you want to participate in a debate---as by posting the lead article one would think you might be ready for---that would be one thing.
But you just want to sling insults and sarcastic remarks all day from the anonymity of the dark little hovel from whence you type---an unloved pooch who prefers abusive attention to no attention at all.
And you want to make LA.IMC all your own?
Somehow I doubt it. If we did leave, you would be like Nessie, out on the net looking for us because this is what he does instead of being a real activist, and what you do so that your own dreary life won't be so darn empty.
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"You're a nobody."
by just wondering
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 3:52 PM
>Your opinions mean virtually nothing to anyone.
Then why does the Zionist propaganda mill devote so much time to trying to counteract me? If they honestly believe I'm irrelevant, why do they not ignore me? If, on the other hand, they think, as their actions would seem to indicate, that I'm having an effect, why do they lie about it and say I'm irrelevant?
They can't have it both ways, at least not without displaying their hypocrisy to the world.
So which is it? Will they tell us? Don't hold your breath.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:37 PM
what?
Yes you lie, Ms. BJ. You have to. Mostly to yourself it seems/
Really don't care why or how you are here, you are not going to find a perch to sing your song of racism and denial.
fresca wasn't welcome and neither are you.
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Project Mockingbecky
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 6:46 PM
lying just come naturally from your quarter.
Are you going to tell me that I 'brought up' David Duke?
And then point to a URL a few years old to prove it?
liars.
None of 'you' are worth a spit.
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why is this comment hidden?
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 7:24 PM
just like to know when I'm being too harsh. Or whatever.
"talk homeless issues on another thread
Get off off this one unless it relates to your team mate's attack here to 'overwhelm' the LA IMC and plant your ass here on this board as a replacement for another banned author provocateur.
Talk to Ralph Schoenman lately?"
Too bossy?
What?
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humans
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 9:54 PM
got a bunch of friends who are varied in shape size sex and religious bent.
Funny thing that.
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why was the response to this comment hidden?
by Sheepdog
Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 10:18 PM
comment & response.
*Sigh*
by Tia Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:53 AM
We like being here, too. We'd prefer to be closer to home, though . Ultimately, we all just want a clean safe place to play.
But you only want to play with your own kind.
That makes me sad.
If your thoughts, feelings, beliefs and information can't hold up to the bright california sunshine, then maybe its time to re-examine them, rather than shield them from scrutiny.
After a few generations of living in a cave, the species goes blind.
my response.....
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with your own kind
by Sheepdog • Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:59 AM
and that would be people who aren't assholes?
What's your problem?-
Now tell me, editors, is this a transgression on my part or am I being less than tactful?
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