Maybe the shitstorm in the lands of sands will explode and we must be well prepared by established opinions to apologize for this pathology of rapine and plunder to say nothing of plain slaughter...
There are many man-hours involved here by, we are led to believe, a least five different individuals who vary in degrees of bitter UNRELENTING dogma. All to point to the opinion that the people of Palestine ( or at least Muslims ) are a menace to all humanity in general and to the state of Israel in particular.
Like this apprehension is not a result of many of their own actions. Never will one word be issued to accept even one jot of blood on their own hands.
Personally I'm amazed at the time spent on this issue. Like I say all the time, these things happen for a reason and the more it happens the more it's likely to stink. Does Israel pan to finish the job? On all of us?

Just thought I'd ask.
Curious minds want to know.

Why not NC-IMC, which is crawling with actual Nazis and Klansmen?

We've explained this several times. You just don't get it.

We came here at the "invitation" of JA, who taunted us about his plans for Becky Johnson on Indybay, and left links to this site.

At least 3 of us regularly posted on Indybay. We live in the Bay area and consider ourselves community activists. But Indybay has decided to become a cultural and intellectual wasteland, modeled after, oh, lets say SF IMC, so we don't want to play there any more.

Of course, after we left, the only thing that remains are a handful of conspiracy theory posts, followed by the comment "great article, Indybay. We don't read about that in the mainstream media".

Indybay became so gosh darn dull after our departure that some of our regular tormentors followed us down here.

And thats the story, sweetheart. No great mystery, no great conspiracy.

I am sorry if 5 of us are too much for you to take on at once. I propose we take turns. We can schedule it at our next Zionist conspiracy meeting, to be held next Sunday, usual place.

It'll be a potluck , folks
Names A-G Drinks
H-M Vegetarian Main course
N- R Snacks
S- Z Dessert
FB infiltrators: bring salad.

-am sorry if 5 of us are too much for you to take on at once-
You need more.
thank you.
:>)

'introduced by JA ha ha ha ha

your operational orders... do you know why they are rigid in allowing so little leeway in admitting any complicity?
Are any of you tools aware of the strategy vs, the tactics?
I doubt it.
Here's a hint. The Jews will not be the beneficiaries and neither will the zionists. Talking about being set up to take a fall... If you don't know it, too bad, if you do then you have met all of my appraisals of your underlaying cause..

Well, I went to check out the neo-nazis in North Carolina and there isn't an intelligent poster in the lot.
So why bother?
It 's the same reason I stop reading when the threads deteriorate into trash and porn. Why bother?

While at North carolina, I followed some links and came across this- apparently written by Nessie during one of his Lithium drips. Its kind of sweet:
(I thought I'd trash his reputation by re-printing something he wrote that showed the existence of a soul. )

"Carrying a sign around in the street a few hours a year does display a certain degree of righteousness. But it is purely symbolic. It is not direct action, even when they cross against the light. Carrying a bedpan is direct action. So is pushing broom, cooking food, shopping and doing laundry. So is the providing simple, daily human companionship that makes life worth living. That’s too big a load for some people to carry. So they settle for symbols.

In a concrete world, symbols are not enough. Real people need each other’s care. If we rely on the corporate-government complex to provide for us, we’re making a drastic mistake. We need to organize these things for our selves. "

your operational orders... do you know why they are rigid in allowing so little leeway in admitting any complicity?
Are any of you tools aware of the strategy vs, the tactics?
I doubt it.

Sweetheart, if I were doing this for pay, don't you think I'd be a lot better trained, a bit smoother, perhaps?

Here's a hint. The Jews will not be the beneficiaries and neither will the zionists. Talking about being set up to take a fall... If you don't know it, too bad, if you do then you have met all of my appraisals of your underlaying cause..

In hte world, there are 14 million Jews, and 1 and a quarter billion Muslims. With oil comes money and power. Anti-semitism is on the rise throughout the world.
I also fear for the future.

So why *does* it take at least five of you to 'enlighten ' us?
Personally I think the shifts are somewhat staggered, to allow some nap time aside from the 'off air' conferences or planting lies on IMC Watch..
( about me! that's so precious! ) .
Still ...

Come on, level with me... You sent him or 'was' him, weren't 'you'.
He was fun to chew on. Much entertainment.
( Tweet! )
But seriously, him, JA and all the other numbnuts gotta come from the same basket.
And it's most likely your basket.

... laughing.
The dynamic pentangle, cast loose from the exploded campsite of Indybay riding the seas of dark and bitter vacuum into the green and welcome websitesite *without any 'people' for a PEOPLE without a site*.

Please stop.
can't breath...

wait

thank you.
:>)

But you don't want to hear these remarks save that he was also funny.

thankfully megafauna only blooms at night... where's that triffid sickle?
wait.

laughter threatening
okay, now listen... is it really too much to believe that you all don't have a nearly lockstep stamped methodology and message. Too much repetitions of patterns of response and terminology to not be scripted.. .
get on with you now. Kinda stretching my probability vectors there .
But maybe some else would buy it.

No, that would be her sister, Megaflora.

Why do we all sound the same? Easy answer. Did you saintly mom ever tell you that "liars need good memories"

We tell the truth. From History. We don't need to remember who said what when- its all recorded. We have history and truth on our side.

History and truth don't change. Our message doesn't change.

Megafauna, are you a zombie?

did I mention the huge graphic and data base, ready at the moments notice, mind you, of oft repeated usually fault sourced 'reference' material.
All of it suspiciously familiar. This is in particular reference to your own little Ms. BJ.
Your people are not too subtle.

.. the INVARIABLE troll tactics of, creating false conflicts which you think fools anyone, the spam, parrots, threats and last but not least, the infallibility of zionism on any level.
Never any blood or sorrow for the grief they have caused because that would mean they would have to recognize the 'other' as human.
Bet on it.

indeed
-Becky is a real journalist?-
get on with your jolly self, my good fellow.
That stuff would qualify me....
ha ha ha ha hah
Stop paying her and she would stop being a 'journalist'.
OOOOoooo
Oh
was that harsh? Can I help?

>we don't want to play there any more.

>after we left,


They didn't leave. They were thrown out.


>The reason Nessie doesn't want us here because for his ideology to succeed, we must be considered less than human.

The reason Nessie doesn't want them here is because they preach racism. When anyone preaches racism on any IMC, it discredits the entire network and every IMCista.

As for being human, it's not enough. Hitler was human, so was Stalin, Pol Pot an Vlad the Impaler. So what? Humanity is not the issue here. The issue here is quality control. Until Indymedia has a network wide policy of zero tolerance for enemy propaganda, disinformation, gibberish, spam and flame wars, and enforces it consistently, IMC is not credible as a source of news and IMCistas are not credible as Global Justice activists. Credible activists do not tolerate racists, warmongers, misogynists, homophobes or apologists for ecocide and exploitation to exist, let alone frolic, in their midst. Credible journalists fact check.

If Indymedia is to remain less than credible as a source of news, and IMCistas are to remain less than credible as activists, what is the point of Indymedia existing at all?

It's time to stop letting racists, warmongers, misogynists, homophobes and apologists for ecocide and exploitation negate Indymedia's credibility with their vile spew. Throw them all out, and make IMC a threat again.

We must repel the assault of our enemies. There is too much at stake not to. This war. There is no second place winner. Our enemies are playing for keeps. So must we.

And speaking of assaults, can it be merely a coincidence that simultaneous to the overt Zionist assault on LA-IMC, SmashTheLeft has gone on a manic posting frenzy rampage and SF-IMC is being bombarded by spam bots?

See:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1AD22D6A

nessie is a Jew loving Zionist bastard, who allowed gehrig to post at SF for a year or more, and gehrig is a sayan and his hate filled screeds were posted at known Zionist sites. nessie knew it, and did nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Zionists are more than just hateful racists. They are liars, forgers, thieves, torturers and murderers. They also have a record of collaborating with Nazis that stretches back three quarters of a century.

NewS?!?
This is old stuff and most times we wait for the numbnuts to beat themselves into flames.

The situation of the zionist assault on this wire is a topic that is very pertinent and too bad if you don't like it.

she's just bitter.
Anyway, why are you so damned interested in LA? Got something up 'your' sleeve?

More noise to drown out what they obviously consider an important topic.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/146096_comment.php

BECKY: During a google search I found this article at LA.indymedia.org

The TITLE of the article accused me of being someone else.

So I came here to defend myself, drawn by JA's smear campaign against me.

The only person I alerted was Lee Kaplan of dafka.org who has been a guest on my television show several times.

I don't think Lee posted more than one or two comments. Everyone else from Indybay came down because of the links JA himself provided at Indybay.org

Now, that a few of us are here posting, SHEEPDOG and NESSIE (who has his very own IMC in SF!!) can't STAND that we can post here without being censored too much.

Nessie especially is REAL BIG on CENSORSHIP.

As you can see by his zillions of posts (under several different names to create the illusion that a LOT of people feel as he does) he is vehemently hateful towards Jews, Israelis, Israel, and Judaism.

Since I am not Jewish, not an Israeli, and am a well-known homeless activist in Nessie's backyard, he singles me out for special abuse.

Readers need to know what HIS agenda is.
Censorship, exclusion, hate-speech, smears of activists, propaganda, and anti-semiticism.

It is disgraceful that *any* Imc would publish racist propaganda of any kind. Here, it's Zionists. On NC-IMC, it's Nazis. The few few differences between Zionists and Nazis are minor, inconsequential, and of style rather than substance.

It is disgraceful to nessie that *any* Imc would publish anti-racist propaganda of the counter-antizionist kind. Here, he can't stand Zionists. The very few differences between rabid anti-Zionists and Nazis are minor, inconsequential, and of style rather than substance.

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:


http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter it’s meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)

* * * * *

Zionists love to sign other people's names. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's.

Once again they prove I am telling the truth about them.

>see what I mean?

This is begging the question. What one means isn't visible.

>Once again they prove I am telling the truth about them.

Who is "they"!?!

People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

For example:

>they died during the course of the battle, and they were not targeted for destruction.

This is a bald faced lie.

See:

http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html

Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.

Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora.

Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries.

>How many times has he robo-reposted that particular bit of spam?


Better question: is it true or untrue?

Even better question: What do you call someone who is trying to distract you from the truth by talking about numbers?

So...
Now we are provided with distractions on historical perception.
What about now? Like we really needed a replacement for fresca.
Or another diatribe about how the past and present slaughter is never the product of assaults against another faction, and Israel is never to blame.
For anything; and the assault on this wire is just a coincidence of happenstance. So still, why are 'you' so interested in LA?

wow, and this coming from you.
I call it focus. And you still seem so abnormally interested in the LA IMC, So what's on the stove anyway? This bowl weevil tale of woe is just not cutting it.
Oh.
Find another job for Ms. BJ.

Other people deny al Nakbha.

I choose to believe Zionism's victims version, and not that of their oppressors and their enablers. You can believe whom you choose.

Look I'm not asking you to confess.
Just leave and tale Ms. BJ off the payroll. Then she'll leave.
Problems solved.

No it's not. They threw you out.

She's exhibited more professionalism- than my other favorite paid shill, Dan Rather.
Oh that's right, he retired.

NOTE THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE 1ST IMC MEETING OF THE LA IMC ---

This is the monthly meeting.

On the agenda:
- what to do about the Israel/anti-Israel/Zionist/anti-Zionist fights on the newswire

Location:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D233517DC

This assault on LA IMC
they are called fights? Too much.
More like attacks and counter attacks.
So how much of your income comes from your zionist sponsors, Ms. BJ.?

Did you ever answer that or did I miss it? With all your postings and all.

To the Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't spew their racist propaganda is a wasteland. To the rest of the world, it's about time these vile scum were ejected. What took to long?

There is only one moral thing to do. Throw the racists out. There is no, repeat *no*, moral excuse for allowing racist aggressors to broadcast their vile propaganda on IMC bandwidth. It dishonors the entire network and discredits everyone connected with it.

Now that you have had a chance to see them in action, you cannot help but realize what liars, bullies and thieves they are. And this is in cyberspace. You can imagine what they're like on the ground, where they have guns, tanks and bulldozers at their disposal.

People like this have no place in Indymedia, and their propaganda has no place on Indymedia bandwidth. Don't let their death threats intimidate you. Stand up for what's right, and throw the racists out.

you're not going to tell me?
fair enough.

>To the Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't spew their racist propaganda is a wasteland

Au contraire. To the rabid anti-Zionist propaganda mill, any place they can't stamp out dissent to their racist spew is a wastland.

> To the rest of the world, it's about time these vile scum were ejected.

This is an overgeneralization. Much among "the rest of the world" do not long for Zionist anti-racists to be ejected.

>What took to long?

Incomprehensible jumble.

People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything. Want you IMC to be know for the lies it tells? Then make the racists welcome.

>see what I mean?

This begs the question. What one means is invisible.

>People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.

Indeed, people who believe others can see what they mean can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.

>Want you IMC to be know for the lies it tells? Then make the racists welcome.

This is a non-squitor, i.e. more bunk logic.

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:


http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter it’s meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)

* * * * *

Zionists love to sign other people's names. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's.

When camp LA IMC explodes and the pentangle +1 boards their escape capsule, in quest of the green fields ( another site w/o a 'people' for a People w/o a site ) of Santa Barbara, I guess I should tell my friends there to be ' on the look out'.
:>)

oh dear, little self declared Mr. Scape goat doesn't want to be a flying zionist, destined to wander the earth like its green friend.
Stop trying to justify your unstable position.
As well as your mental condition. Cease your attempt to 'take over' this wire and we will cease humiliating and exposing 'you'.

sheep: "Cease your attempt to 'take over' this wire"

Well, that's the problem right there, isn't it, sheep. Nobody's trying to take over anything.

The IMC network was founded on the principle of open publishing -- "no gatekeepers." Take a look at the founding documents to see. The IMC principles are quite clear: the IMC newswires are to be free of political censorship.

You're calling for LA Indymedia to go directly against one of the core IMC principles, by establishing a regime of political censorship. So we'll see whether the folks at LA really mean it when they say they're an IMC, adhering to the IMC principles, or whether that's just lip service.

@%<

your shift now huh?
come on, you really expect anyone to believe your crew isn't engaged in an assault in order to 'control' certain issues and subject, with the entire dumptruck of typical crap I've seen on other IMC sites, with the usual tactics of thread shredding.
If anyone has demonstrated the contempt for open publishing, it's your team mates.
You bums have overstayed your malicious vagrancy.

Why indeed is it so 'special' that your Ms. BJ finds a nice comfy campsite here to take up where she was terminated from doing in her own little nest.
You know the old saying about your own nest, don't you?

music for the ongoing assault on LA IMC
[ found this totally cool station ]
KPIG freedom, ca.
please forgive the interruption.

I guess you never did hear that old saying about your own nest.


We , well, okay; 'I' don't want her zionazi shit here. I let her post on other subjects w/o molestation. But I drew my own line and propagation of Israel's excesses.

clipped it
Shit, I can't put up with the denial and excuses to further allow this sugar coating or outright lying to go on w/o at least challenging it. Call it what ever you wish.
My only weapon here is reason.
Too bad you are so reactionary in response to it.
words as weapons.

that's good.
Precisely. Absolutely no respect whatsoever towards Ms. BJ
Now that this is clear, we may proceed to the question of what kind of simpletons do you take our fellow readership for by this all wide eyed innocence and feigned injury ?.
Do I have to roll out the Welcome Wagon forever?
Sheesh.
You must love making a hufjuden ass of yourself.

When you meet my friends in Santa Barbara, tell em hi.
They really don't post much there. They come here to read me.

"a hufjuden". Seems like 'nessie' will run interference for your slip. Regardless, kindly translate this literally for me.

I grew up in occupied Berlin.

Yep KPIG. My current favorite as well. Are you old enough to remember KFAT? KPIG is the heir apparent. Where else could you hear Spike Jones segued with the Dead?

Sadly, I feel I am watching the IMC network collapse like a house of cards. Just another group telling you what you should or should not know.

My favorite analogy for information: It should be served buffet style. You should examine everything, and pick and chose what seems best for you. I don't want my information spoon fed to be by anyone- not by my mother, not my my government, not by an IMC collective. Puree of information is for children. Give me mine, whole.
The only way we learn, the only way we grow, the only way we expand our intellectual limits is through exchange of ideas with people we not necessarily agree with. Thats the way to consensus and understanding.
Its all about celebrating diversity, folks, not hanging out with our own kind in cyber ghettos.

heh heh
collapse like a house of cards-
that's good.
You're referring to the MSM not the wire.
The major reason 'you' devote so much time 'entertaining' yourselves.
Yup.
We don't matter so much your dedication to it's demise labors 24/7 to endeavor to fill this wire w/ rather overt nuisance and the usual predictable list of methods.
And...?

If there were a conspiracy
And our goal was destruction of the IMC wire
Don't you think we'd try a more direct approach?
A less time consuming one?

nevermind that.. too ... wait... okay, don't do it, please. Don't shut down this wire.
Please.
You don't want everyone to know just how weird you are about this.

My problem?

Perhaps the realization that if *we*, thousands of miles away from the conflict , can not find common ground to share our ideas and information, then there is no hope that the conflict in the Middle East will ever find peaceful resolution.

Until and unless I read condemnation from you of the comments on this forum from the *other* members of this crew of individuals you are just one of the tag team.
Your common ground is all sweetness and light until the blade comes out.
Know what I mean?

When they behave inappropriately, I've called them on it.
When I behave inappropriately , they've called me on it.

I am not the "Jewish mother" of IndyMedia , however.
When your folks misbehave, you blame the Zionists. (the mods of this site know differently, if they've been tracking IPs)
Black ops, you claim. No responsibility for your own.
There are no checks and balances on your side of the hill.

duh... it's just too easy to play w/ IPs so don't hand me *any* 'proof' of anything you say it is or isn't.
It's the words and partnerships and ideology.

what about opening the page from the top?
then distractions and trains of discussion can be followed easier.
:>)

Isn't it?
Like a coincidence or something, right?

Occupied Berlin, huh?
What did Daddy/ Grandpa do during the war?

Mostly I was looking at shattered bridges, overgrown with vines reaching out to infinity over cold waters.
Piles of shattered buildings and streets. Holes in the rubble down into dark and deep bomb shelters.
Having to pull the blinds down on the train through Soviet occupied Berlin.

Mr. Self assigned Judasgoat in the guise of a 'friend' of Jews w/ its somewhat less than fragile grasp on interpretations through its own dogma...
Please say something about your lame and obvious attempt to 'place' Ms. BJ here to replace you in your guise as 'fresca'.
Sorry about the cramps.

Now that we know how Johnson looks, I'm waiting for you -- as a guise for J.A. -- and fresca to upload one photo of you each to this site.

Now... please say something about the lack of reverence you displayed toward the bygone comrades in your previous comment.

Awww it's all coming together now.
A photo of little me?
[ I love this sh*t!]
Here.
Again.
Me and my familly so you can play with and post to your heart's content.
:>)
wait a moment
here it is
I posted a bunch of ma Shepard's photos some time ago ... to you, I believe.
But okay, here they are and shots of my home and where I live and my friends and where I work and who I work with... oh well, you get the pictures...
ahem
wait for it now...
here read the disclaimer 1st.
Sheepdog's world.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/49088.php

SHEEPDOG WRITES: "you really expect anyone to believe your crew isn't engaged in an assault in order to 'control' certain issues and subject..."

BECKY: Interesting choice of words: "assault"

ACCORDING TO THE DICTIONARY:

1. A violent onset or attack with physical means, as blows,
weapons, etc.; an onslaught; the rush or charge of an
attacking force; onset; as, to make assault upon a man, a
house, or a town.

BECKY: Since this is cyberspace, there has been no PHYSICAL assault.

2. A violent onset or attack with moral weapons, as words,
arguments, appeals, and the like; as, to make an assault
on the prerogatives of a prince, or on the constitution of
a government. --Clarendon.

BECKY: This is closer. We certainly ARE using moral weapons, as words, arguments, appeals and the like. But VIOLENT? Where are any of us advocating violence against other people who post or even against the Palestinians?

3. (Law) An apparently violent attempt, or willful offer with
force or violence, to do hurt to another; an attempt or
offer to beat another, accompanied by a degree of
violence, but without touching his person, as by lifting
the fist, or a cane, in a threatening manner, or by
striking at him, and missing him. If the blow aimed takes
effect, it is a battery. --Blackstone. Wharton.

Practically, however, the word assault is used to
include the battery. --Mozley & W.

BECKY: SOME of the anti-Zionists have done this. I have received death threats via IMC more than once. Sheepdog has menaced in this way. JA has made a sport of attacking me and those who support me. Is this an assault? Is it okay because the people attacked are "Zionists?"

Syn: Attack; invasion; incursion; descent; onset; onslaught;
charge; storm.
See also:
[Assail]

BECKY: The only way we could "control" LA. IMC would be to show up at their meetings, volunteer, get monitor status, and persuade other members of the collective to go along with us. And if we DID this, it would be perfectly acceptable, since we would have gone thu channels to do so.

What SHEEPDOG and the many-named Nessie are doing is attempting to persuade LA.IMC monitors/members that simply by engaging in debate here we are "assaulting" the site, rather than merely participating in the discussions here.

As usual, they can't win on a level playing field, so they have to try to cheat, by changing the rules to benefit them and to censor or IP block us.

Since we know the results of these efforts at SF.IMC and Indybay.org (now dead sites) I would encourage readers, LA.IMC members to consider if they want to kill their own site's viability on the alter of political correctness.

You want my DNA also?
Lick your screen.

-what sheepdog wants-
you wish you knew. Too dark too twisted and too late.
Ha ha.
I know what I personally don't want is another apologizer of the 'unblemished reputation of Israeli menace. And your boring conflations, lies regurgitated propaganda ( seen it so many times elsewhere.. ) and tactical support.
As a representative of this obvious sea if injustice you cry about getting your toes stepped on.
Too bad.
Just keep sticking your ass out here and I'll be obliged to kick it.
I already told you I would allow you to front for the homeless in America.
Unless you miss behave.

SHEEPDOG WRITES: "talk homeless issues on another thread"

BECKY: I'm sorry. Did I lose you? Let me explain. Some people think that only the right kind of people ought to be allowed to post on Indymedia. The argument has been made that "Zionazi assholes" and "right-wing neo-cons" with a "Zionist agenda" should not be allowed OUR bandwidth space for "their Zionist propaganda and lies" since "there are plenty of other sites for that" and "the corporate media already reports their issues."

So how is a non-Jewish,leftist, feminist, former welfare-mom, 10-yr writer for Street Spirit, radio producer and former station host for Free Radio Santa Cruz, member of the LA. IMC and one of the founders of Santa Cruz IMC, and who successfully sued the LAPD for police brutality, Is an outspoken medical-marijuana advocate, a homeless advocate, an anti-Vietnam, Yugoslavia, and Iraq war activist and a community television producer and talk show host morph instantly into a....

"right-wing conservative" and an "agent of zionism."

That is why my previous post was relevant to this thread. I am not one of them. I am one of you.

Note you referred to me directly in your lead article. Pretty much anything I write in response will be germain to this thread. You started it. Live with it.

Sure we can And I can point out what a liar you are as well as a shill for the murder and theft you call zionism and its perp, Israel.

Anyone who supports a racist state, for any reason, is doing evil. Whatever else they do is irrelevant.

You have CALLED me a liar, a shill for murder, theft, and that Israel perpetrates these crimes, but who are you?

You're a nobody. While you ridicule MY accomplishments (which are real and independently documented) you have absolutely none of your own to point to. Your opinions mean virtually nothing to anyone. Now if you want to participate in a debate---as by posting the lead article one would think you might be ready for---that would be one thing.

But you just want to sling insults and sarcastic remarks all day from the anonymity of the dark little hovel from whence you type---an unloved pooch who prefers abusive attention to no attention at all.

And you want to make LA.IMC all your own?

Somehow I doubt it. If we did leave, you would be like Nessie, out on the net looking for us because this is what he does instead of being a real activist, and what you do so that your own dreary life won't be so darn empty.

>Your opinions mean virtually nothing to anyone.

Then why does the Zionist propaganda mill devote so much time to trying to counteract me? If they honestly believe I'm irrelevant, why do they not ignore me? If, on the other hand, they think, as their actions would seem to indicate, that I'm having an effect, why do they lie about it and say I'm irrelevant?

They can't have it both ways, at least not without displaying their hypocrisy to the world.

So which is it? Will they tell us? Don't hold your breath.

what?
Yes you lie, Ms. BJ. You have to. Mostly to yourself it seems/
Really don't care why or how you are here, you are not going to find a perch to sing your song of racism and denial.
fresca wasn't welcome and neither are you.

lying just come naturally from your quarter.
Are you going to tell me that I 'brought up' David Duke?
And then point to a URL a few years old to prove it?
liars.
None of 'you' are worth a spit.

just like to know when I'm being too harsh. Or whatever.
"talk homeless issues on another thread
Get off off this one unless it relates to your team mate's attack here to 'overwhelm' the LA IMC and plant your ass here on this board as a replacement for another banned author provocateur.
Talk to Ralph Schoenman lately?"

Too bossy?
What?

got a bunch of friends who are varied in shape size sex and religious bent.
Funny thing that.

comment & response.

*Sigh*
by Tia Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:53 AM

We like being here, too. We'd prefer to be closer to home, though . Ultimately, we all just want a clean safe place to play.
But you only want to play with your own kind.
That makes me sad.
If your thoughts, feelings, beliefs and information can't hold up to the bright california sunshine, then maybe its time to re-examine them, rather than shield them from scrutiny.
After a few generations of living in a cave, the species goes blind.

my response.....


The following post has status hidden:
with your own kind
by Sheepdog • Sunday, May. 28, 2006 at 8:59 AM

and that would be people who aren't assholes?
What's your problem?-

Now tell me, editors, is this a transgression on my part or am I being less than tactful?

anybody will be impressed by the level of dishonesty and usual ( w/o fail ) dirty tricks.
It's really not too hard to see at all...
All one has to do is read any of the zionist threads.
real pieces of work the way they swarm, forge, create false conflicts with there own, lie and generally provoke hatred towards the Jews by wrapping their criminal transgressions in the faith of Judaism.
Everything to cover this little reality over.

always one to please when it comes to being the grand whizz of hypocrisy.
Who exactly is filling the BW with noise?
Like this thread?
And since we are discussing the on going zionist assault on this wire, why is it that 'you' must always rely on the same tired and predictable methods.
With a lot of help from your other team members.

But you're losing...

Your comment was detached from the thread's own topic. Never mind that it's a logical fallacy excuse for a topic.
It may be my human duty to keep on urging you till the end here to seek therapy for your paranoia. Do so.

Sure ...I was commenting on the repetitious tactics and hypocrisy like sand bagging threads or lying outright and other methods of assault your team uses, so maybe it was on topic.
I created this thread to deal with this very subject. Debate what? Your activities here? Or are we still insisting upon the coincidence intersection analogy?

'A coincidence perhaps...maybe'
that nessie
Always entertaining, sometimes annoying etc.
But this thread is an attempt to divine the motivations behind the 'dedication' 'you' have w/ LA.
You idiots aren't going to try a false flag in LA are you?
I mean like your little empire over there seems to have some to spare and no inspections and no constraints...

Notice to Israel.
Don't fry LA

Perhap direct that to Al Quada-
Isn't that billboard of your rather tattered?
Only Israel has small nuclear packages w/ 5th gen. payloads.
If LA goes , al-CIAduh or '19 savage arabs', huh?

Who has nuclear weapons?
Israel

You were supposed to caterwaul about al-CIAduh's imminent scheme to deploy its tactical nukes to fry the sheepdog enclaves within the US.

You know something?
That little piece of real estate over there is too small to be having all those nukes. You can't really use them for anything but terrorism.
That's easy.
Don't fry LA

don't be absurd. You can't use them locally. But my bent is rather slanted.
Nuclear weapons even low level, are obscene.
Anywhere. They can end our world.
And if this insanity over Iran begins we are in a world of hurt.

No matter who the 'blame' is assigned to.

...and I only use it to cut up vegetables for dinner, no problem right?

But if I pull that same sharp knife out its drawer, and theaten to stab you in the heart , well that is different right?

Well, it depends.

Israel has nukes. Like the knife in the kitchen drawer, their nukes will remain where they are, hopefully forever. But if a burglar breaks into my house and tries to kill me, I will have no compunction about pulling that knife out and trying to stab the attacker in the heart. Likewise, if the Arab armies mount again to attack Israel (like they did in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973) they may find that an Israeli nuke has been launched at their major military institutions from an IDF submarine.

Have you ever wondered why the Arab armies haven't marched on Israel since 1973? Do they like the Jews more now than then?

well like I said, Israel cannot use them in self defense.

Any conflict will involve Israel and if nuclear weapons are used...

By using its nukes, Israel would sign its own death warrant.

it will be destroyed. Why they use them is irrelevant. Either way, it would spell Israel's doom.

Really doesn't matter for anyone living there.
Jew Muslim or Christian. If a nuclear conflict does occur, they as well as ourselves are all toast.
Quick toast or slow toast like now.
The munitions being used and contemplated are too deadly and long lasting. No one wins.

>If Iran uses its nukes

Iran doesn't have nukes.

Too bad I don't believe in 'higher' beings telling me that their genetic program is superior to my genetic program. Or someone else's.

Thats certainly not a Jewish belief. Maybe you should study more before expounding on what YOU think Judaism means and get it wrong again.

No, but. your "interpretation" is biased, off base and simplistic.

If you have this interest, its time to find a teacher to help you with the things that you obviously don't understand.

Someone without a Hebrew Bible who uses a Christian translation.

So are you through trolling, Toady, or is more on the way?

@%<

We've now identified you as the spam artist. and before the meeting too.

Let me grab this opportunity to explain that Maccabees wasn't included in the Hebrew Bible late in 1st century CE due to the fact that some among the Maccabeean dynasty subscribed to and sided with the Saducee (Zadokite) version of Judaism at various times. In other words, the background for the rabbi's omission of this book from the Jewish canon was political However, many Jews had deemed the book to have at least some sanctity and it ended up in the Catholic canon.

Essentially, Toady's confession as the spam artist. Shall we move on now?

'Cause Schtartker would never referrence the King James version?

It probably violates some orthodox principle.

I never thought I live to write this, but having looked at the US tax code, and having looked at Toady's porn at LA IMC....I think I find the porn less offensive.

nessie: "He would if he wanted to disguise his identity."

So would you, nessie. If anybody's got a motive here, it's you -- a spam attack hoping that LA will then be mad enough to fall into exactly the same pattern of censorship that you so tirelessly promote.

Whatta coincidence!

@%<

Seems your crew has provided the incentive for this collective to react to your attempt to 'take over' this forum

Exactly what the spammer is hoping they'll think, I'd guess.

@%<

in relation to the Bible spamming fruitcake(s)

"speaking of nuts^^^^
by Sheepdog • Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 12:47 PM

the bible is ... interesting.
and so are its rabid adherents."

"help me out here
by Sheepdog • Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 11:27 AM

now you say the Bible *doesn't* act as a title of dead to the lands Moses was held back at a check point from?"

and this one about SY agreeing with this assessment...
okay......
by Sheepdog • Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 11:45 AM

too simplistic but accurate.
Well that settles that.
You're nuts.
( too harsh or too accurate in response to the idea that the Bible grants the Holy Lands belonging to the new adherents of zionism?)

these were in between the massive spam attacks...

We've learned from our experiences that the mods can and do track IP's.
Confession is good for the soul....oh, wait....wrong religion...mine says repentence, charity and prayer avert the stern decree.
Close enough.

just tell yid to stop. He was actually tag teaming the spam. Pretending it was another poster.

I know 'you' all think you are so clever. Good for you.
Scratch yourselves behind your ears.

I don't think its Toady, either.

It could just be some end of days X-treme Christian who felt it was his/her moral duty to get the word of the lord out to ALL of us Godless heathens.

Of course, that doesn't explain the US Probate code.

Tia

Since you're so certain, you must know who it was.
And as to any assurance 'save it for the Xmass bunny'
None of you can be trusted to tell the truth.
Also the spam seemed to coincide with certain unpleasant comments about certain zionist belief systems.
As in the /bible being an excuse for Israeli aggression or land ownership.
Then we got creamed with Bible spam.
At which point your crew including 'goated Jew, interacted with it several times. A dance if you will.
I commented initially with the rabid Bible thumping w/ only one comment.

"Since you're so certain, you must know who it was. "

Its not Yid's style. He's more into terse one-liners.
And he'd eat his hat before he'd quote the New Testament.
He tore into me once for quoting the Beatitudes....

I wouldn't put it past Nessie- he'll do what ever it takes to get us removed, yes, yes, I know....throw the racists out....blah blah blah.....

This is a pointless exercise. The mods know. What remains to be seen is what they will do.

You're still being given a taste of your own censorship medicine. But the funny part is the weepy facade you come up with each time. Apparently you're having a hard time acclimating to the reality.

"the idea that the Bible grants the Holy Lands belonging to the new adherents of zionism?"

Wehther you recognize this or not, your question contains an implicit acknowledgement that Zionism is an integral part of Judaism, or at least a natural product thereof.

Just so you know Tia--wasn't me. Don't have time and won't waste the time to compete with autospammer. Far too pointless.
Focusing on activism, not pointless spamming/trolling.
Hope all is well.

You're a pathetic shill for Neturei Karta aka "Jews not Zionism" aka "Jews against Zionism". You were too afraid to reply to Schtarker's question whether you subscribe to their messianic fervor. You're a hillarious coward and poltroon, not to mention an arch-liar who always has time for spamming and trolling. You've provided no compelling reason why you shouldn't be suspected of the spamming. You're beneath pathetic. Go back to hurling stink bombs at riot police. You're an utter joke and so is your wife.

I've come to the realization that this is a waste of precious time. I refuse to be glued to a pointless exercise in futility. Scapegoat, enjoy yourself, have fun. I'd rather be putting my time to something that makes a difference in the world.
I wish you the best and I'm sorry for harassing you in the past.

Nah, just alerting the collective that you are hiding unwelcome comments that produce such a reaction.
Notice that they remain unhidden.
They're ..getting to know you....
And no matter what you say, the incidence of spamming does parallel the 'you're nuts' comment about your new religious adherences to the Bible.
Which actually only proves it was written and nothing more through any of its interpretations.
Certainly not the Mosaic code.
Like the ten commandments.

You tell Tia you believe I'm the recent spammer but in typical slanderous anti-Zionist fashion offered no valid evidence to buttress your belief. This is what you should have apologized for. And now you're slinking away with no apology for that.

what kind of weeping sniveling self pitying name is ' Scapegoated Jew?
Poor little zionazi.banned at Indybay, soon to be banned here as well.
And I apologize for what?
Mocking your myths?
Stick around,I have more.As long as your fellow weasels remain here to support your little shill, Ms. BJ, I shall remain w/o apologizes for any damn thing.
All you have to do is cease and desist your little Project Mocking Becky.

Forcing their way in where they aren't wanted is what Zionism is all about.

People have made us feel so welcome here, engaged us in polite dialog....I think we are wanted....
I think we provide a welcome change from the usual commentators who simple say "Great article. We don't here about this in the mainstream media"
Its all about the exchange of ideas. One of the few things that still working about America.
Sort of.

Ja Wohl Fuerer!!!

Whatever you spew forth, you canine scum, you're still a neo-Nazi at heart and proud of it. That's why I've consistently dubbed you a Palinazi. You just ramble like a stormtrooper in the American Nazi Party and can never point out to me what myths I subsribe to. You're such a mouth frothing fnatic defender of all things anti-Israel. You've got lots to apologize for. Your usage of BJ to hide behind is a tired hallmak of a goosestepping arch-bigot.
Seek spiritual-mental therapy -- redeem your soul.

Exodus
1,1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel, who came into Egypt with Jacob; every man came with his household: 1,2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah; 1,3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin; 1,4 Dan and Naphtali, Gad and Asher. 1,5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls; and Joseph was in Egypt already. 1,6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. 1,7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. {P}

1,8 Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who knew not Joseph. 1,9 And he said unto his people: 'Behold, the people of the children of Israel are too many and too mighty for us; 1,10 come, let us deal wisely with them, lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there befalleth us any war, they also join themselves unto our enemies, and fight against us, and get them up out of the land.' 1,11 Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh store-cities, Pithom and Raamses. 1,12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad. And they were adread because of the children of Israel. 1,13 And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour. 1,14 And they made their lives bitter with hard service, in mortar and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field; in all their service, wherein they made them serve with rigour. 1,15 And the king of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives, of whom the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah; 1,16 and he said: 'When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, ye shall look upon the birthstool: if it be a son, then ye shall kill him; but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.' 1,17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men-children alive. 1,18 And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them: 'Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men-children alive?' 1,19 And the midwives said unto Pharaoh: 'Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwife come unto them.' 1,20 And God dealt well with the midwives; and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty. 1,21 And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that He made them houses. 1,22 And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying: 'Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.' {P}

2,1 And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. 2,2 And the woman conceived, and bore a son; and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months. 2,3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch; and she put the child therein, and laid it in the flags by the river's brink. 2,4 And his sister stood afar off, to know what would be done to him. 2,5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to bathe in the river; and her maidens walked along by the river-side; and she saw the ark among the flags, and sent her handmaid to fetch it. 2,6 And she opened it, and saw it, even the child; and behold a boy that wept. And she had compassion on him, and said: 'This is one of the Hebrews' children.' 2,7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter: 'Shall I go and call thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee?' 2,8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her: 'Go.' And the maiden went and called the child's mother. 2,9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her: 'Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages.' And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 2,10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses, and said: 'Because I drew him out of the water.' 2,11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown up, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens; and he saw an Egyptian smiting a Hebrew, one of his brethren. 2,12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he smote the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. 2,13 And he went out the second day, and, behold, two men of the Hebrews were striving together; and he said to him that did the wrong: 'Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?' 2,14 And he said: 'Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? thinkest thou to kill me, as thou didst kill the Egyptian?' And Moses feared, and said: 'Surely the thing is known.' 2,15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian; and he sat down by a well. 2,16 Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters; and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock. 2,17 And the shepherds came and drove them away; but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock. 2,18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said: 'How is it that ye are come so soon to-day?' 2,19 And they said: 'An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and moreover he drew water for us, and watered the flock.' 2,20 And he said unto his daughters: 'And where is he? Why is it that ye have left the man? call him, that he may eat bread.' 2,21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man; and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. 2,22 And she bore a son, and he called his name Gershom; for he said: 'I have been a stranger in a strange land.' {P}

2,23 And it came to pass in the course of those many days that the king of Egypt died; and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. 2,24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. 2,25 And God saw the children of Israel, and God took cognizance of them. {S} 3,1 Now Moses was keeping the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the farthest end of the wilderness, and came to the mountain of God, unto Horeb. 3,2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3,3 And Moses said: 'I will turn aside now, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.' 3,4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said: 'Moses, Moses.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 3,5 And He said: 'Draw not nigh hither; put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.' 3,6 Moreover He said: 'I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 3,7 And the LORD said: 'I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their pains; 3,8 and I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Amorite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. 3,9 And now, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto Me; moreover I have seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 3,10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth My people the children of Israel out of Egypt.' 3,11 And Moses said unto God: 'Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?' 3,12 And He said: 'Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be the token unto thee, that I have sent thee: when thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.' 3,13 And Moses said unto God: 'Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them: The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me: What is His name? what shall I say unto them?' 3,14 And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.' 3,15 And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations. 3,16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them: The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, hath appeared unto me, saying: I have surely remembered you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt. 3,17 And I have said: I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Amorite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, unto a land flowing with milk and honey. 3,18 And they shall hearken to thy voice. And thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him: The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, hath met with us. And now let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God. 3,19 And I know that the king of Egypt will not give you leave to go, except by a mighty hand. 3,20 And I will put forth My hand, and smite Egypt with all My wonders which I will do in the midst thereof. And after that he will let you go. 3,21 And I will give this people favour in the sight of the Egyptians. And it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty; 3,22 but every woman shall ask of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.' 4,1 And Moses answered and said: 'But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice; for they will say: The LORD hath not appeared unto thee.' 4,2 And the LORD said unto him: 'What is that in thy hand?' And he said: 'A rod.' 4,3 And He said: 'Cast it on the ground.' And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. 4,4 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Put forth thy hand, and take it by the tail--and he put forth his hand, and laid hold of it, and it became a rod in his hand-- 4,5 that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.' 4,6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him: 'Put now thy hand into thy bosom.' And he put his hand into his bosom; and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous, as white as snow. 4,7 And He said: 'Put thy hand back into thy bosom.--And he put his hand back into his bosom; and when he took it out of his bosom, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.-- 4,8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. 4,9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe even these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land; and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.' 4,10 And Moses said unto the LORD: 'Oh Lord, I am not a man of words, neither heretofore, nor since Thou hast spoken unto Thy servant; for I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.' 4,11 And the LORD said unto him: 'Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh a man dumb, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? is it not I the LORD? 4,12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt speak.' 4,13 And he said: 'Oh Lord, send, I pray Thee, by the hand of him whom Thou wilt send.' 4,14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and He said: 'Is there not Aaron thy brother the Levite? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee; and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart. 4,15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put the words in his mouth; and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. 4,16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people; and it shall come to pass, that he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou shalt be to him in God's stead. 4,17 And thou shalt take in thy hand this rod, wherewith thou shalt do the signs.' {P}

4,18 And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father-in-law, and said unto him: 'Let me go, I pray thee, and return unto my brethren that are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive.' And Jethro said to Moses: 'Go in peace.' 4,19 And the LORD said unto Moses in Midian: 'Go, return into Egypt; for all the men are dead that sought thy life.' 4,20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt; and Moses took the rod of God in his hand. 4,21 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'When thou goest back into Egypt, see that thou do before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in thy hand; but I will harden his heart, and he will not let the people go. 4,22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born. 4,23 And I have said unto thee: Let My son go, that he may serve Me; and thou hast refused to let him go. Behold, I will slay thy son, thy first-born.'-- 4,24 And it came to pass on the way at the lodging-place, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 4,25 Then Zipporah took a flint, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet; and she said: 'Surely a bridegroom of blood art thou to me.' 4,26 So He let him alone. Then she said: 'A bridegroom of blood in regard of the circumcision.' {P}

4,27 And the LORD said to Aaron: 'Go into the wilderness to meet Moses.' And he went, and met him in the mountain of God, and kissed him. 4,28 And Moses told Aaron all the words of the LORD wherewith He had sent him, and all the signs wherewith He had charged him. 4,29 And Moses and Aaron went and gathered together all the elders of the children of Israel. 4,30 And Aaron spoke all the words which the LORD had spoken unto Moses, and did the signs in the sight of the people. 4,31 And the people believed; and when they heard that the LORD had remembered the children of Israel, and that He had seen their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped. 5,1 And afterward Moses and Aaron came, and said unto Pharaoh: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Let My people go, that they may hold a feast unto Me in the wilderness.' 5,2 And Pharaoh said: 'Who is the LORD, that I should hearken unto His voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, and moreover I will not let Israel go.' 5,3 And they said: 'The God of the Hebrews hath met with us. Let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest He fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword.' 5,4 And the king of Egypt said unto them: 'Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, cause the people to break loose from their work? get you unto your burdens.' 5,5 And Pharaoh said: 'Behold, the people of the land are now many, and will ye make them rest from their burdens?' 5,6 And the same day Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the people, and their officers, saying: 5,7 'Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore. Let them go and gather straw for themselves. 5,8 And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish aught thereof; for they are idle; therefore they cry, saying: Let us go and sacrifice to our God. 5,9 Let heavier work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard lying words.' 5,10 And the taskmasters of the people went out, and their officers, and they spoke to the people, saying: 'Thus saith Pharaoh: I will not give you straw. 5,11 Go yourselves, get you straw where ye can find it; for nought of your work shall be diminished.' 5,12 So the people were scattered abroad throughout all the land of Egypt to gather stubble for straw. 5,13 And the taskmasters were urgent, saying: 'Fulfil your work, your daily task, as when there was straw.' 5,14 And the officers of the children of Israel, whom Pharaoh's taskmasters had set over them, were beaten, saying: 'Wherefore have ye not fulfilled your appointed task in making brick both yesterday and today as heretofore?' 5,15 Then the officers of the children of Israel came and cried unto Pharaoh, saying: 'Wherefore dealest thou thus with thy servants? 5,16 There is no straw given unto thy servants, and they say to us: Make brick; and, behold, thy servants are beaten, but the fault is in thine own people.' 5,17 But he said: 'Ye are idle, ye are idle; therefore ye say: Let us go and sacrifice to the LORD. 5,18 Go therefore now, and work; for there shall no straw be given you, yet shall ye deliver the tale of bricks.' 5,19 And the officers of the children of Israel did see that they were set on mischief, when they said: 'Ye shall not diminish aught from your bricks, your daily task.' 5,20 And they met Moses and Aaron, who stood in the way, as they came forth from Pharaoh; 5,21 and they said unto them: 'The LORD look upon you, and judge; because ye have made our savour to be abhorred in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of his servants, to put a sword in their hand to slay us.' 5,22 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said: 'Lord, wherefore hast Thou dealt ill with this people? why is it that Thou hast sent me? 5,23 For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in Thy name, he hath dealt ill with this people; neither hast Thou delivered Thy people at all.' 6,1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh; for by a strong hand shall he let them go, and by a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.' {S} 6,2 And God spoke unto Moses, and said unto him: 'I am the LORD; 6,3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH I made Me not known to them. 6,4 And I have also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their sojournings, wherein they sojourned. 6,5 And moreover I have heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered My covenant. 6,6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel: I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm, and with great judgments; 6,7 and I will take you to Me for a people, and I will be to you a God; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 6,8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning which I lifted up My hand to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for a heritage: I am the LORD.' 6,9 And Moses spoke so unto the children of Israel; but they hearkened not unto Moses for impatience of spirit, and for cruel bondage. {P}

6,10 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 6,11 'Go in, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land.' 6,12 And Moses spoke before the LORD, saying: 'Behold, the children of Israel have not hearkened unto me; how then shall Pharaoh hear me, who am of uncircumcised lips?' {P}

6,13 And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, and gave them a charge unto the children of Israel, and unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, to bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. {S} 6,14 These are the heads of their fathers' houses: the sons of Reuben the first-born of Israel: Hanoch, and Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi. These are the families of Reuben. 6,15 And the sons of Simeon: Jemuel, and Jamin, and Ohad, and Jachin, and Zohar, and Shaul the son of a Canaanitish woman. These are the families of Simeon. 6,16 And these are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations: Gershon and Kohath, and Merari. And the years of the life of Levi were a hundred thirty and seven years. 6,17 The sons of Gershon: Libni and Shimei, according to their families. 6,18 And the sons of Kohath: Amram, and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the years of the life of Kohath were a hundred thirty and three years. 6,19 And the sons of Merari: Mahli and Mushi. These are the families of the Levites according to their generations. 6,20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses. And the years of the life of Amram were a hundred and thirty and seven years. 6,21 And the sons of Izhar: Korah, and Nepheg, and Zichri. 6,22 And the sons of Uzziel: Mishael, and Elzaphan, and Sithri. 6,23 And Aaron took him Elisheba, the daughter of Amminadab, the sister of Nahshon, to wife; and she bore him Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar. 6,24 And the sons of Korah: Assir, and Elkanah, and Abiasaph; these are the families of the Korahites. 6,25 And Eleazar Aaron's son took him one of the daughters of Putiel to wife; and she bore him Phinehas. These are the heads of the fathers' houses of the Levites according to their families. 6,26 These are that Aaron and Moses, to whom the LORD said: 'Bring out the children of Israel from the land of Egypt according to their hosts.' 6,27 These are they that spoke to Pharaoh king of Egypt, to bring out the children of Israel from Egypt. These are that Moses and Aaron. 6,28 And it came to pass on the day when the LORD spoke unto Moses in the land of Egypt, {S} 6,29 that the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 'I am the LORD; speak thou unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I speak unto thee.' 6,30 And Moses said before the LORD: 'Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?' {P}

7,1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'See, I have set thee in God's stead to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 7,2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee; and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land. 7,3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. 7,4 But Pharaoh will not hearken unto you, and I will lay My hand upon Egypt, and bring forth My hosts, My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt, by great judgments. 7,5 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch forth My hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them.' 7,6 And Moses and Aaron did so; as the LORD commanded them, so did they. 7,7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spoke unto Pharaoh. {P}

7,8 And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying: 7,9 'When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying: Show a wonder for you; then thou shalt say unto Aaron: Take thy rod, and cast it down before Pharaoh, that it become a serpent.' 7,10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so, as the LORD had commanded; and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent. 7,11 Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers; and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did in like manner with their secret arts. 7,12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents; but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods. 7,13 And Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken. {S} 7,14 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Pharaoh's heart is stubborn, he refuseth to let the people go. 7,15 Get thee unto Pharaoh in the morning; lo, he goeth out unto the water; and thou shalt stand by the river's brink to meet him; and the rod which was turned to a serpent shalt thou take in thy hand. 7,16 And thou shalt say unto him: The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, hath sent me unto thee, saying: Let My people go, that they may serve Me in the wilderness; and, behold, hitherto thou hast not hearkened; 7,17 thus saith the LORD: In this thou shalt know that I am the LORD--behold, I will smite with the rod that is in my hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood. 7,18 And the fish that are in the river shall die, and the river shall become foul; and the Egyptians shall loathe to drink water from the river.' {S} 7,19 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Say unto Aaron: Take thy rod, and stretch out thy hand over the waters of Egypt, over their rivers, over their streams, and over their pools, and over all their ponds of water, that they may become blood; and there shall be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood and in vessels of stone.' 7,20 And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. 7,21 And the fish that were in the river died; and the river became foul, and the Egyptians could not drink water from the river; and the blood was throughout all the land of Egypt. 7,22 And the magicians of Egypt did in like manner with their secret arts; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken. 7,23 And Pharaoh turned and went into his house, neither did he lay even this to heart. 7,24 And all the Egyptians digged round about the river for water to drink; for they could not drink of the water of the river. 7,25 And seven days were fulfilled, after that the LORD had smitten the river. {P}

7,26 And the LORD spoke unto Moses: 'Go in unto Pharaoh, and say unto him: Thus saith the LORD: Let My people go, that they may serve Me. 7,27 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs. 7,28 And the river shall swarm with frogs, which shall go up and come into thy house, and into thy bed-chamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneading-troughs. 7,29 And the frogs shall come up both upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.' 8,1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Say unto Aaron: Stretch forth thy hand with thy rod over the rivers, over the canals, and over the pools, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.' 8,2 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. 8,3 And the magicians did in like manner with their secret arts, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. 8,4 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said: 'Entreat the LORD, that He take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may sacrifice unto the LORD.' 8,5 And Moses said unto Pharaoh: 'Have thou this glory over me; against what time shall I entreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, that the frogs be destroyed from thee and thy houses, and remain in the river only?' 8,6 And he said: 'Against to-morrow.' And he said: 'Be it according to thy word; that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God. 8,7 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.' 8,8 And Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh; and Moses cried unto the LORD concerning the frogs, which He had brought upon Pharaoh. 8,9 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and the frogs died out of the houses, out of the courts, and out of the fields. 8,10 And they gathered them together in heaps; and the land stank. 8,11 But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken. {S} 8,12 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Say unto Aaron: Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the earth, that it may become gnats throughout all the land of Egypt.' 8,13 And they did so; and Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and there were gnats upon man, and upon beast; all the dust of the earth became gnats throughout all the land of Egypt. 8,14 And the magicians did so with their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not; and there were gnats upon man, and upon beast. 8,15 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh: 'This is the finger of God'; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken. {S} 8,16 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him: Thus saith the LORD: Let My people go, that they may serve Me. 8,17 Else, if thou wilt not let My people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses; and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are. 8,18 And I will set apart in that day the land of Goshen, in which My people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end that thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth. 8,19 And I will put a division between My people and thy people--by to-morrow shall this sign be.' 8,20 And the LORD did so; and there came grievous swarms of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses; and in all the land of Egypt the land was ruined by reason of the swarms of flies. 8,21 And Pharaoh called for Moses and for Aaron, and said: 'Go ye, sacrifice to your God in the land.' 8,22 And Moses said: 'It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the LORD our God; lo, if we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, will they not stone us? 8,23 We will go three days' journey into the wilderness, and sacrifice to the LORD our God, as He shall command us.' 8,24 And Pharaoh said: 'I will let you go, that ye may sacrifice to the LORD your God in the wilderness; only ye shall not go very far away; entreat for me.' 8,25 And Moses said: 'Behold, I go out from thee, and I will entreat the LORD that the swarms of flies may depart from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people, tomorrow; only let not Pharaoh deal deceitfully any more in not letting the people go to sacrifice to the LORD.' 8,26 And Moses went out from Pharaoh, and entreated the LORD. 8,27 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and He removed the swarms of flies from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people; there remained not one. 8,28 And Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and he did not let the people go. {P}

9,1 Then the LORD said unto Moses: 'Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him: Thus saith the LORD, the God of the Hebrews: Let My people go, that they may serve Me. 9,2 For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still, 9,3 behold, the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which are in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the herds, and upon the flocks; there shall be a very grievous murrain. 9,4 And the LORD shall make a division between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt; and there shall nothing die of all that belongeth to the children of Israel.' 9,5 And the LORD appointed a set time, saying: 'Tomorrow the LORD shall do this thing in the land.' 9,6 And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died; but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one. 9,7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not so much as one of the cattle of the Israelites dead. But the heart of Pharaoh was stubborn, and he did not let the people go. {P}

9,8 And the LORD said unto Moses and unto Aaron: 'Take to you handfuls of soot of the furnace, and let Moses throw it heavenward in the sight of Pharaoh. 9,9 And it shall become small dust over all the land of Egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains upon man and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt.' 9,10 And they took soot of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses threw it up heavenward; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man and upon beast. 9,11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for the boils were upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians. 9,12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses. {S} 9,13 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him: Thus saith the LORD, the God of the Hebrews: Let My people go, that they may serve Me. 9,14 For I will this time send all My plagues upon thy person, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like Me in all the earth. 9,15 Surely now I had put forth My hand, and smitten thee and thy people with pestilence, and thou hadst been cut off from the earth. 9,16 But in very deed for this cause have I made thee to stand, to show thee My power, and that My name may be declared throughout all the earth. 9,17 As yet exaltest thou thyself against My people, that thou wilt not let them go? 9,18 Behold, tomorrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail, such as hath not been in Egypt since the day it was founded even until now. 9,19 Now therefore send, hasten in thy cattle and all that thou hast in the field; for every man and beast that shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die.' 9,20 He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses; 9,21 and he that regarded not the word of the LORD left his servants and his cattle in the field. {P}

9,22 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Stretch forth thy hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.' 9,23 And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven; and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and fire ran down unto the earth; and the LORD caused to hail upon the land of Egypt. 9,24 So there was hail, and fire flashing up amidst the hail, very grievous, such as had not been in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation. 9,25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and broke every tree of the field. 9,26 Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, was there no hail. 9,27 And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them: 'I have sinned this time; the LORD is righteous, and I and my people are wicked. 9,28 Entreat the LORD, and let there be enough of these mighty thunderings and hail; and I will let you go, and ye shall stay no longer.' 9,29 And Moses said unto him: 'As soon as I am gone out of the city, I will spread forth my hands unto the LORD; the thunders shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that thou mayest know that the earth is the LORD'S. 9,30 But as for thee and thy servants, I know that ye will not yet fear the LORD God.'-- 9,31 And the flax and the barley were smitten; for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was in bloom. 9,32 But the wheat and the spelt were not smitten; for they ripen late.-- 9,33 And Moses went out of the city from Pharaoh, and spread forth his hands unto the LORD; and the thunders and hail ceased, and the rain was not poured upon the earth. 9,34 And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants. 9,35 And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the children of Israel go; as the LORD had spoken by Moses. {P}

10,1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Go in unto Pharaoh; for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might show these My signs in the midst of them; 10,2 and that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son's son, what I have wrought upon Egypt, and My signs which I have done among them; that ye may know that I am the LORD.' 10,3 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and said unto him: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of the Hebrews: How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before Me? let My people go, that they may serve Me. 10,4 Else, if thou refuse to let My people go, behold, to-morrow will I bring locusts into thy border; 10,5 and they shall cover the face of the earth, that one shall not be able to see the earth; and they shall eat the residue of that which is escaped, which remaineth unto you from the hail, and shall eat every tree which groweth for you out of the field; 10,6 and thy houses shall be filled, and the houses of all thy servants, and the houses of all the Egyptians; as neither thy fathers nor thy fathers' fathers have seen, since the day that they were upon the earth unto this day.' And he turned, and went out from Pharaoh. 10,7 And Pharaoh's servants said unto him: 'How long shall this man be a snare unto us? let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God, knowest thou not yet that Egypt is destroyed?' 10,8 And Moses and Aaron were brought again unto Pharaoh; and he said unto them: 'Go, serve the LORD your God; but who are they that shall go?' 10,9 And Moses said: 'We will go with our young and with our old, with our sons and with our daughters, with our flocks and with our herds we will go; for we must hold a feast unto the LORD.' 10,10 And he said unto them: 'So be the LORD with you, as I will let you go, and your little ones; see ye that evil is before your face. 10,11 Not so; go now ye that are men, and serve the LORD; for that is what ye desire.' And they were driven out from Pharaoh's presence. {S} 10,12 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Stretch out thy hand over the land of Egypt for the locusts, that they may come up upon the land of Egypt, and eat every herb of the land, even all that the hail hath left.' 10,13 And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all the night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts. 10,14 And the locusts went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the borders of Egypt; very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts as they, neither after them shall be such. 10,15 For they covered the face of the whole earth, so that the land was darkened; and they did eat every herb of the land, and all the fruit of the trees which the hail had left; and there remained not any green thing, either tree or herb of the field, through all the land of Egypt. 10,16 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron in haste; and he said: 'I have sinned against the LORD your God, and against you. 10,17 Now therefore forgive, I pray thee, my sin only this once, and entreat the LORD your God, that He may take away from me this death only.' 10,18 And he went out from Pharaoh, and entreated the LORD. 10,19 And the LORD turned an exceeding strong west wind, which took up the locusts, and drove them into the Red Sea; there remained not one locust in all the border of Egypt. 10,20 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go. {P}

10,21 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Stretch out thy hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.' 10,22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days; 10,23 they saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days; but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings. 10,24 And Pharaoh called unto Moses, and said: 'Go ye, serve the LORD; only let your flocks and your herds be stayed; let your little ones also go with you.' 10,25 And Moses said: 'Thou must also give into our hand sacrifices and burnt-offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God. 10,26 Our cattle also shall go with us; there shall not a hoof be left behind; for thereof must we take to serve the LORD our God; and we know not with what we must serve the LORD, until we come thither.' 10,27 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. 10,28 And Pharaoh said unto him: 'Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in the day thou seest my face thou shalt die.' 10,29 And Moses said: 'Thou hast spoken well; I will see thy face again no more.' {P}

11,1 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Yet one plague more will I bring upon Pharaoh, and upon Egypt; afterwards he will let you go hence; when he shall let you go, he shall surely thrust you out hence altogether. 11,2 Speak now in the ears of the people, and let them ask every man of his neighbour, and every woman of her neighbour, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold.' 11,3 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians. Moreover the man Moses was very great in the land of Egypt, in the sight of Pharaoh's servants, and in the sight of the people. {S} 11,4 And Moses said: 'Thus saith the LORD: About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt; 11,5 and all the first-born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first-born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the first-born of the maid-servant that is behind the mill; and all the first-born of cattle. 11,6 And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there hath been none like it, nor shall be like it any more. 11,7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog whet his tongue, against man or beast; that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. 11,8 And all these thy servants shall come down unto me, and bow down unto me, saying: Get thee out, and all the people that follow thee; and after that I will go out.' And he went out from Pharaoh in hot anger. {S} 11,9 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Pharaoh will not hearken unto you; that My wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt.' 11,10 And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh; and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go out of his land. {S} 12,1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying: 12,2 'This month shall be unto you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 12,3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying: In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household; 12,4 and if the household be too little for a lamb, then shall he and his neighbour next unto his house take one according to the number of the souls; according to every man's eating ye shall make your count for the lamb. 12,5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year; ye shall take it from the sheep, or from the goats; 12,6 and ye shall keep it unto the fourteenth day of the same month; and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at dusk. 12,7 And they shall take of the blood, and put it on the two side-posts and on the lintel, upon the houses wherein they shall eat it. 12,8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 12,9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; its head with its legs and with the inwards thereof. 12,10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; but that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 12,11 And thus shall ye eat it: with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste--it is the LORD'S passover. 12,12 For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD. 12,13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and there shall no plague be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. 12,14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial, and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 12,15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; howbeit the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses; for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. 12,16 And in the first day there shall be to you a holy convocation, and in the seventh day a holy convocation; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you. 12,17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore shall ye observe this day throughout your generations by an ordinance for ever. 12,18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. 12,19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses; for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a sojourner, or one that is born in the land. 12,20 Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.' {P}

12,21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them: 'Draw out, and take you lambs according to your families, and kill the passover lamb. 12,22 And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two side-posts with the blood that is in the basin; and none of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning. 12,23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side-posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. 12,24 And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. 12,25 And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as He hath promised, that ye shall keep this service. 12,26 And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you: What mean ye by this service? 12,27 that ye shall say: It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, for that He passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when He smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses.' And the people bowed the head and worshipped. 12,28 And the children of Israel went and did so; as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they. {S} 12,29 And it came to pass at midnight, that the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the first-born of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the first-born of cattle. 12,30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. 12,31 And he called for Moses and Aaron by night and said: 'Rise up, get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 12,32 Take both your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also.' 12,33 And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, to send them out of the land in haste; for they said: 'We are all dead men.' 12,34 And the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading-troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders. 12,35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they asked of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment. 12,36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. And they despoiled the Egyptians. {P}

12,37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, beside children. 12,38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 12,39 And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 12,40 Now the time that the children of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 12,41 And it came to pass at the end of four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the host of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. 12,42 It was a night of watching unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt; this same night is a night of watching unto the LORD for all the children of Israel throughout their generations. {P}

12,43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron: 'This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no alien eat thereof; 12,44 but every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. 12,45 A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat thereof. 12,46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth aught of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. 12,47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 12,48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land; but no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 12,49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.' 12,50 Thus did all the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they. {S} 12,51 And it came to pass the selfsame day that the LORD did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts. {P}

13,1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 13,2 'Sanctify unto Me all the first-born, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast, it is Mine.' 13,3 And Moses said unto the people: 'Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place; there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 13,4 This day ye go forth in the month Abib. 13,5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Amorite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, which He swore unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month. 13,6 Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD. 13,7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten throughout the seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee, in all thy borders. 13,8 And thou shalt tell thy son in that day, saying: It is because of that which the LORD did for me when I came forth out of Egypt. 13,9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thy hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the law of the LORD may be in thy mouth; for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt. 13,10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in its season from year to year. {P}

13,11 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanite, as He swore unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee, 13,12 that thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the womb; every firstling that is a male, which thou hast coming of a beast, shall be the LORD'S. 13,13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break its neck; and all the first-born of man among thy sons shalt thou redeem. 13,14 And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying: What is this? that thou shalt say unto him: By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage; 13,15 and it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the first-born of man, and the first-born of beast; therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the womb, being males; but all the first-born of my sons I redeem. 13,16 And it shall be for a sign upon thy hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes; for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.' {S} 13,17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not by the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said: 'Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt.' 13,18 But God led the people about, by the way of the wilderness by the Red Sea; and the children of Israel went up armed out of the land of Egypt. 13,19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him; for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying: 'God will surely remember you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.' 13,20 And they took their journey from Succoth, and encamped in Etham, in the edge of the wilderness. 13,21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; that they might go by day and by night: 13,22 the pillar of cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night, departed not from before the people. {P}

14,1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 14,2 'Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn back and encamp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, before Baal-zephon, over against it shall ye encamp by the sea. 14,3 And Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel: They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in. 14,4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he shall follow after them; and I will get Me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; and the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD.' And they did so. 14,5 And it was told the king of Egypt that the people were fled; and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned towards the people, and they said: 'What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us? 14,6 And he made ready his chariots, and took his people with him. 14,7 And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over all of them. 14,8 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel; for the children of Israel went out with a high hand. 14,9 And the Egyptians pursued after them, all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, and his horsemen, and his army, and overtook them encamping by the sea, beside Pi-hahiroth, in front of Baal-zephon. 14,10 And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians were marching after them; and they were sore afraid; and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD. 14,11 And they said unto Moses: 'Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to bring us forth out of Egypt? 14,12 Is not this the word that we spoke unto thee in Egypt, saying: Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians? For it were better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness.' 14,13 And Moses said unto the people: 'Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will work for you to-day; for whereas ye have seen the Egyptians to-day, ye shall see them again no more for ever. 14,14 The LORD will fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.' {P}

14,15 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Wherefore criest thou unto Me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward. 14,16 And lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thy hand over the sea, and divide it; and the children of Israel shall go into the midst of the sea on dry ground. 14,17 And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall go in after them; and I will get Me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. 14,18 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten Me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.' 14,19 And the angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud removed from before them, and stood behind them; 14,20 and it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud and the darkness here, yet gave it light by night there; and the one came not near the other all the night. 14,21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all the night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. 14,22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. 14,23 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. 14,24 And it came to pass in the morning watch, that the LORD looked forth upon the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of cloud, and discomfited the host of the Egyptians. 14,25 And He took off their chariot wheels, and made them to drive heavily; so that the Egyptians said: 'Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.' {P}

14,26 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Stretch out thy hand over the sea, that the waters may come back upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.' 14,27 And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to its strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 14,28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, even all the host of Pharaoh that went in after them into the sea; there remained not so much as one of them. 14,29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. 14,30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea-shore. 14,31 And Israel saw the great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians, and the people feared the LORD; and they believed in the LORD, and in His servant Moses. {P}

15,1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spoke, saying: I will sing unto the LORD, for He is highly exalted; the horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea. 15,2 The LORD is my strength and song, and He is become my salvation; this is my God, and I will glorify Him; my father's God, and I will exalt Him. 15,3 The LORD is a man of war, The LORD is His name. 15,4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath He cast into the sea, and his chosen captains are sunk in the Red Sea. 15,5 The deeps cover them--they went down into the depths like a stone. 15,6 Thy right hand, O LORD, glorious in power, Thy right hand, O LORD, dasheth in pieces the enemy. 15,7 And in the greatness of Thine excellency Thou overthrowest them that rise up against Thee; Thou sendest forth Thy wrath, it consumeth them as stubble. 15,8 And with the blast of Thy nostrils the waters were piled up--the floods stood upright as a heap; the deeps were congealed in the heart of the sea. 15,9 The enemy said: 'I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.' 15,10 Thou didst blow with Thy wind, the sea covered them; they sank as lead in the mighty waters. 15,11 Who is like unto Thee, O LORD, among the mighty? who is like unto Thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders? 15,12 Thou stretchedst out Thy right hand--the earth swallowed them. 15,13 Thou in Thy love hast led the people that Thou hast redeemed; Thou hast guided them in Thy strength to Thy holy habitation. 15,14 The peoples have heard, they tremble; pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia. 15,15 Then were the chiefs of Edom affrighted; the mighty men of Moab, trembling taketh hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan are melted away. 15,16 Terror and dread falleth upon them; by the greatness of Thine arm they are as still as a stone; till Thy people pass over, O LORD, till the people pass over that Thou hast gotten. 15,17 Thou bringest them in, and plantest them in the mountain of Thine inheritance, the place, O LORD, which Thou hast made for Thee to dwell in, the sanctuary, O Lord, which Thy hands have established. 15,18 The LORD shall reign for ever and ever. 15,19 For the horses of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought back the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel walked on dry land in the midst of the sea. {P}

15,20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. 15,21 And Miriam sang unto them: Sing ye to the LORD, for He is highly exalted: the horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea. {S} 15,22 And Moses led Israel onward from the Red Sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water. 15,23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter. Therefore the name of it was called Marah. 15,24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying: 'What shall we drink?' 15,25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD showed him a tree, and he cast it into the waters, and the waters were made sweet. There He made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there He proved them; 15,26 and He said: 'If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases upon thee, which I have put upon the Egyptians; for I am the LORD that healeth thee.' {S} 15,27 And they came to Elim, where were twelve springs of water, and three score and ten palm-trees; and they encamped there by the waters. 16,1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 16,2 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness; 16,3 and the children of Israel said unto them: 'Would that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh-pots, when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.' {S} 16,4 Then said the LORD unto Moses: 'Behold, I will cause to rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in My law, or not. 16,5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day that they shall prepare that which they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.' 16,6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel: 'At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt; 16,7 and in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that He hath heard your murmurings against the LORD; and what are we, that ye murmur against us?' 16,8 And Moses said: 'This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against Him; and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.' 16,9 And Moses said unto Aaron: 'Say unto all the congregation of the children of Israel: Come near before the LORD; for He hath heard your murmurings.' 16,10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spoke unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud. {P}

16,11 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 16,12 'I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel. Speak unto them, saying: At dusk ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.' 16,13

Somebody *really* doesn't want us to be able to discuss this topic.

Its pretty obvious that one ofthe usual "anti-zionists" ( and I assume Toady) can't deal with facts, logic, history etc and so has tried to stifle any discussion by posting, of all things the poorly done and religiously biased King James translation of Torah and other narishkiit.

Or chemtrails, or gay naked men, for that matter.

Paranoia aside, I think this is just a general assault on LA Indymedia.

In my humble opinion.

Judges
1,1 And it came to pass after the death of Joshua, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying: 'Who shall go up for us first against the Canaanites, to fight against them?' 1,2 And LORD said: 'Judah shall go up; behold, I have delivered the land into his hand.' 1,3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother: 'Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot.' So Simeon went with him. 1,4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand; and they smote of them in Bezek ten thousand men. 1,5 And they found Adoni-bezek in Bezek; and they fought against him, and they smote the Canaanites and the Perizzites. 1,6 But Adoni-bezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and his great toes. 1,7 And Adoni-bezek said: 'Threescore and ten kings, having their thumbs and their great toes cut off, gathered food under my table; as I have done, so God hath requited me.' And they brought him to Jerusalem, and he died there. {P}

1,8 And the children of Judah fought against Jerusalem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire. 1,9 And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites that dwelt in the hill-country, and in the South, and in the Lowland. 1,10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron--now the name of Hebron beforetime was Kiriath-arba--and they smote Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai. 1,11 And from thence he went against the inhabitants of Debir--now the name of Debir beforetime was Kiriath-sepher. 1,12 And Caleb said: 'He that smiteth Kiriath-sepher, and taketh it, to him will I give Achsah my daughter to wife.' 1,13 And Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother, took it; and he gave him Achsah his daughter to wife. 1,14 And it came to pass, when she came unto him, that she moved him to ask of her father a field; and she alighted from off her ass; and Caleb said unto her: 'What wouldest thou?' 1,15 And she said unto him: 'Give me a blessing; for that thou hast set me in the Southland, give me therefore springs of water.' And Caleb gave her the Upper Springs and the Nether Springs. {P}

1,16 And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father-in-law, went up out of the city of palm-trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which is in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt with the people. 1,17 And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they smote the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah. 1,18 Also Judah took Gaza with the border thereof, and Ashkelon with the border thereof, and Ekron with the border thereof. 1,19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the hill-country; for he could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. 1,20 And they gave Hebron unto Caleb, as Moses had spoken; and he drove out thence the three sons of Anak. 1,21 And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwelt with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem, unto this day. {P}

1,22 And the house of Joseph, they also went up against Beth-el; and the LORD was with them. 1,23 And the house of Joseph sent to spy out Beth-el--now the name of the city beforetime was Luz. 1,24 And the watchers saw a man come forth out of the city, and they said unto him: 'Show us, we pray thee, the entrance into the city, and we will deal kindly with thee.' 1,25 And he showed them the entrance into the city, and they smote the city with the edge of the sword; but they let the man go and all his family. 1,26 And the man went into the land of the Hittites, and built a city, and called the name thereof Luz, which is the name thereof unto this day. {P}

1,27 And Manasseh did not drive out the inhabitants of Beth-shean and its towns, nor of Taanach and its towns, nor the inhabitants of Dor and its towns, nor the inhabitants of Ibleam and its towns, nor the inhabitants of Megiddo and its towns; but the Canaanites were resolved to dwell in that land. 1,28 And it came to pass, when Israel was waxen strong, that they put the Canaanites to task-work, but did in no wise drive them out. {S} 1,29 And Ephraim drove not out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwelt in Gezer among them. {S} 1,30 Zebulun drove not out the inhabitants of Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites dwelt among them, and became tributary. {S} 1,31 Asher drove not out the inhabitants of Acco, nor the inhabitants of Zidon, nor of Ahlab, nor of Achzib, nor of Helbah, nor of Aphik, nor of Rehob; 1,32 but the Asherites dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land; for they did not drive them out. {S} 1,33 Naphtali drove not out the inhabitants of Beth-shemesh, nor the inhabitants of Beth-anath; but he dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land; nevertheless the inhabitants of Beth-shemesh and of Beth-anath became tributary unto them. 1,34 And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the hill-country; for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley. 1,35 But the Amorites were resolved to dwell in Harheres, in Aijalon, and in Shaalbim; yet the hand of the house of Joseph prevailed, so that they became tributary. 1,36 And the border of the Amorites was from the ascent of Akrabbim, from Sela, and upward. {P}

2,1 And the angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim. {P}

And he said: '... I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I swore unto your fathers; and I said: I will never break My covenant with you; 2,2 and ye shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall break down their altars; but ye have not hearkened unto My voice; what is this ye have done? 2,3 Wherefore I also said: I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be unto you as snares, and their gods shall be a trap unto you.' 2,4 And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spoke these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept. 2,5 And they called the name of that place Bochim; and they sacrificed there unto the LORD. {P}

2,6 Now when Joshua had sent the people away, the children of Israel went every man unto his inheritance to possess the land. 2,7 And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great work of the LORD, that He had wrought for Israel. 2,8 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died, being a hundred and ten years old. 2,9 And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnath-heres, in the hill-country of Ephraim, on the north of the mountain of Gaash. 2,10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers; and there arose another generation after them, that knew not the LORD, nor yet the work which He had wrought for Israel. {P}

2,11 And the children of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baalim. 2,12 And they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the peoples that were round about them, and worshipped them; and they provoked the LORD. 2,13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and the Ashtaroth. 2,14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and He gave them over into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies. 2,15 Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the LORD was against them for evil, as the LORD had spoken, and as the LORD had sworn unto them; and they were sore distressed. 2,16 And the LORD raised up judges, who saved them out of the hand of those that spoiled them. 2,17 And yet they hearkened not unto their judges, for they went astray after other gods, and worshipped them; they turned aside quickly out of the way wherein their fathers walked, obeying the commandments of the LORD; they did not so. 2,18 And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and saved them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for it repented the LORD because of their groaning by reason of them that oppressed them and crushed them. 2,19 But it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they turned back, and dealt more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to worship them; they left nothing undone of their practices, nor of their stubborn way. 2,20 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel; and He said: 'Because this nation have transgressed My covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto My voice; 2,21 I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations that Joshua left when he died; 2,22 that by them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.' 2,23 So the LORD left those nations, without driving them out hastily; neither delivered He them into the hand of Joshua. {P}

3,1 Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, even as many as had not known all the wars of Canaan; 3,2 only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as beforetime knew nothing thereof; 3,3 namely, the five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Zidonians, and the Hivites that dwelt in mount Lebanon, from mount Baal-hermon unto the entrance of Hamath. 3,4 And they were there, to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the LORD, which He commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses. 3,5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites; 3,6 and they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their own daughters to their sons, and served their gods. {P}

3,7 And the children of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgot the LORD their God, and served the Baalim and the Asheroth. 3,8 Therefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He gave them over into the hand of Cushan-rishathaim king of Aram-naharaim; and the children of Israel served Cushan-rishathaim eight years. 3,9 And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a saviour to the children of Israel, who saved them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother. 3,10 And the spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel; and he went out to war, and the LORD delivered Cushan-rishathaim king of Aram into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Cushan-rishathaim. 3,11 And the land had rest forty years. And Othniel the son of Kenaz died. {P}

3,12 And the children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. 3,13 And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek; and he went and smote Israel, and they possessed the city of palm-trees. 3,14 And the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years. 3,15 But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a saviour, Ehud the son of Gera, the Benjamite, a man left-handed; and the children of Israel sent a present by him unto Eglon the king of Moab. 3,16 And Ehud made him a sword which had two edges, of a cubit length; and he girded it under his raiment upon his right thigh. 3,17 And he offered the present unto Eglon king of Moab--now Eglon was a very fat man. 3,18 And when he had made an end of offering the present, he sent away the people that bore the present. 3,19 But he himself turned back from the quarries that were by Gilgal, and said: 'I have a secret errand unto thee, O king.' And he said: 'Keep silence.' And all that stood by him went out from him. 3,20 And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting by himself alone in his cool upper chamber. And Ehud said: 'I have a message from God unto thee.' And he arose out of his seat. 3,21 And Ehud put forth his left hand, and took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. 3,22 And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, for he drew not the sword out of his belly; and it came out behind. 3,23 Then Ehud went forth into the porch, and shut the doors of the upper chamber upon him, and locked them. 3,24 Now when he was gone out, his servants came; and they saw, and, behold, the doors of the upper chamber were locked; and they said: 'Surely he is covering his feet in the cabinet of the cool chamber.' 3,25 And they tarried till they were ashamed; and, behold, he opened not the doors of the upper chamber; therefore they took the key, and opened them; and, behold, their lord was fallen down dead on the earth. 3,26 And Ehud escaped while they lingered, having passed beyond the quarries, and escaped unto Seirah. 3,27 And it came to pass, when he was come, that he blew a horn in the hill-country of Ephraim, and the children of Israel went down with him from the hill-country, and he before them. 3,28 And he said unto them: 'Follow after me; for the LORD hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand.' And they went down after him, and took the fords of the Jordan against the Moabites, and suffered not a man to pass over. 3,29 And they smote of Moab at that time about ten thousand men, every lusty man, and every man of valour; and there escaped not a man. 3,30 So Moab was subdued that day under the hand of Israel. And the land had rest fourscore years. {P}

3,31 And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, who smote of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox-goad; and he also saved Israel. {P}

4,1 And the children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, when Ehud was dead. 4,2 And the LORD gave them over into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, who dwelt in Harosheth-goiim. 4,3 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD; for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. {P}

4,4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, she judged Israel at that time. 4,5 And she sat under the palm-tree of Deborah between Ramah and Beth-el in the hill-country of Ephraim; and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. 4,6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him: 'Hath not the LORD, the God of Israel, commanded, saying: Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? 4,7 And I will draw unto thee to the brook Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thy hand. 4,8 And Barak said unto her: 'If thou wilt go with me, then I will go; but if thou wilt not go with me, I will not go.' 4,9 And she said: 'I will surely go with thee; notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thy honour; for the LORD will give Sisera over into the hand of a woman.' And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh. 4,10 And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali together to Kedesh; and there went up ten thousand men at his feet; and Deborah went up with him. 4,11 Now Heber the Kenite had severed himself from the Kenites, even from the children of Hobab the father-in-law of Moses, and had pitched his tent as far as Elon-bezaanannim, which is by Kedesh. 4,12 And they told Sisera that Barak the son of Abinoam was gone up to mount Tabor. 4,13 And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from Harosheth-goiim, unto the brook Kishon. 4,14 And Deborah said unto Barak: 'Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thy hand; is not the LORD gone out before thee?' So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him. 4,15 And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera alighted from his chariot, and fled away on his feet. 4,16 But Barak pursued after the chariots, and after the host, unto Harosheth-goiim; and all the host of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; there was not a man left. 4,17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite; for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite. 4,18 And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him: 'Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not.' And he turned in unto her into the tent, and she covered him with a rug. 4,19 And he said unto her: 'Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty.' And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him. 4,20 And he said unto her: 'Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say: Is there any man here? that thou shalt say: No.' 4,21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a tent-pin, and took a hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the pin into his temples, and it pierced through into the ground; for he was in a deep sleep; so he swooned and died. 4,22 And, behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him, and said unto him: 'Come, and I will show thee the man whom thou seekest.' And he came unto her; and, behold, Sisera lay dead, and the tent-pin was in his temples. 4,23 So God subdued on that day Jabin the king of Canaan before the children of Israel. 4,24 And the hand of the children of Israel prevailed more and more against Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had destroyed Jabin king of Canaan. {P}

5,1 Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying: 5,2 When men let grow their hair in Israel, when the people offer themselves willingly, bless ye the LORD. 5,3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, unto the LORD will I sing; I will sing praise to the LORD, the God of Israel. 5,4 LORD, when Thou didst go forth out of Seir, when Thou didst march out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, the heavens also dropped, yea, the clouds dropped water. 5,5 The mountains quaked at the presence of the LORD, even yon Sinai at the presence of the LORD, the God of Israel. 5,6 In the days of Shamgar the son of Anath, in the days of Jael, the highways ceased, and the travellers walked through byways. 5,7 The rulers ceased in Israel, they ceased, until that thou didst arise, Deborah, that thou didst arise a mother in Israel. 5,8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates; was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel? 5,9 My heart is toward the governors of Israel, that offered themselves willingly among the people. Bless ye the LORD. 5,10 Ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit on rich cloths, and ye that walk by the way, tell of it; 5,11 Louder than the voice of archers, by the watering-troughs! there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts of His rulers in Israel. Then the people of the LORD went down to the gates. 5,12 Awake, awake, Deborah; awake, awake, utter a song; arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam. 5,13 Then made He a remnant to have dominion over the nobles and the people; the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty. 5,14 Out of Ephraim came they whose root is in Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy peoples; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the marshal's staff. 5,15 And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; as was Issachar, so was Barak; into the valley they rushed forth at his feet. Among the divisions of Reuben there were great resolves of heart. 5,16 Why sattest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the pipings for the flocks? At the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart. 5,17 Gilead abode beyond the Jordan; and Dan, why doth he sojourn by the ships? Asher dwelt at the shore of the sea, and abideth by its bays. 5,18 Zebulun is a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death, and Naphtali, upon the high places of the field. 5,19 The kings came, they fought; then fought the kings of Canaan, in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money. 5,20 They fought from heaven, the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. 5,21 The brook Kishon swept them away, that ancient brook, the brook Kishon. O my soul, tread them down with strength. 5,22 Then did the horsehoofs stamp by reason of the prancings, the prancings of their mighty ones. 5,23 'Curse ye Meroz', said the angel of the LORD, 'Curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof, because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.' 5,24 Blessed above women shall Jael be, the wife of Heber the Kenite, above women in the tent shall she be blessed. 5,25 Water he asked, milk she gave him; in a lordly bowl she brought him curd. 5,26 Her hand she put to the tent-pin, and her right hand to the workmen's hammer; and with the hammer she smote Sisera, she smote through his head, yea, she pierced and struck through his temples. 5,27 At her feet he sunk, he fell, he lay; at her feet he sunk, he fell; where he sunk, there he fell down dead. 5,28 Through the window she looked forth, and peered, the mother of Sisera, through the lattice: 'Why is his chariot so long in coming? Why tarry the wheels of his chariots? 5,29 The wisest of her princesses answer her, yea, she returneth answer to herself: 5,30 'Are they not finding, are they not dividing the spoil? A damsel, two damsels to every man; to Sisera a spoil of dyed garments, a spoil of dyed garments of embroidery, two dyed garments of broidery for the neck of every spoiler?' 5,31 So perish all Thine enemies, O LORD; but they that love Him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years. {P}

6,1 And the children of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian seven years. 6,2 And the hand of Midian prevailed against Israel; and because of Midian the children of Israel made them the dens which are in the mountains, and the caves, and the strongholds. 6,3 And so it was, when Israel had sown, that the Midianites came up, and the Amalekites, and the children of the east; they came up against them; 6,4 and they encamped against them, and destroyed the produce of the earth, till thou come unto Gaza, and left no sustenance in Israel, neither sheep, nor ox, nor ass. 6,5 For they came up with their cattle and their tents, and they came in as locusts for multitude; both they and their camels were without number; and they came into the land to destroy it. 6,6 And Israel was brought very low because of Midian; and the children of Israel cried unto the LORD. {P}

6,7 And it came to pass, when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD because of Midian, 6,8 that the LORD sent a prophet unto the children of Israel; and he said unto them: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: I brought you up from Egypt, and brought you forth out of the house of bondage; 6,9 and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all that oppressed you, and drove them out from before you, and gave you their land. 6,10 And I said unto you: I am the LORD your God; ye shall not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell; but ye have not hearkened unto My voice.' {P}

6,11 And the angel of the LORD came, and sat under the terebinth which was in Ophrah, that belonged unto Joash the Abiezrite; and his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 6,12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him: 'The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.' 6,13 And Gideon said unto him: 'Oh, my lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all His wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying: Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian.' 6,14 And the LORD turned towards him, and said: 'Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian; have not I sent thee?' 6,15 And he said unto him: 'Oh, my lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house.' 6,16 And the LORD said unto him: 'Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.' 6,17 And he said unto him: 'If now I have found favour in thy sight, then show me a sign that it is thou that talkest with me. 6,18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my present, and lay it before thee.' And he said: 'I will tarry until thou come back.' 6,19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of meal; the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the terebinth, and presented it. {P}

6,20 And the angel of God said unto him: 'Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.' And he did so. 6,21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight. 6,22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of the LORD; and Gideon said: 'Alas, O Lord GOD! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face.' 6,23 And the LORD said unto him: 'Peace be unto thee; fear not; thou shalt not die.' 6,24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it 'Adonai-shalom'; unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites. {S} 6,25 And it came to pass the same night, that the LORD said unto him: 'Take thy father's bullock, and the second bullock of seven years old, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the Asherah that is by it; 6,26 and build an altar unto the LORD thy God upon the top of this stronghold, in the ordered place, and take the second bullock, and offer a burnt-offering with the wood of the Asherah which thou shalt cut down.' 6,27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants, and did as the LORD had spoken unto him; and it came to pass, because he feared his father's household and the men of the city, so that he could not do it by day, that he did it by night. 6,28 And when the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was broken down, and the Asherah was cut down that was by it, and the second bullock was offered upon the altar that was built. 6,29 And they said one to another: 'Who hath done this thing?' And when they inquired and asked, they said: 'Gideon the son of Joash hath done this thing.' 6,30 Then the men of the city said unto Joash: 'Bring out thy son, that he may die; because he hath broken down the altar of Baal, and because he hath cut down the Asherah that was by it.' 6,31 And Joash said unto all that stood against him: 'Will ye contend for Baal? or will ye save him? he that will contend for him, shall be put to death before morning; if he be a god, let him contend for himself, because one hath broken down his altar.' 6,32 Therefore on that day he was called Jerubbaal, saying: 'Let Baal contend against him, because he hath broken down his altar.' {S} 6,33 Now all the Midianites and the Amalekites and the children of the east assembled themselves together; and they passed over, and pitched in the valley of Jezreel. 6,34 But the spirit of the LORD clothed Gideon; and he blew a horn; and Abiezer was gathered together after him. 6,35 And he sent messengers throughout all Manasseh; and they also were gathered together after him; and he sent messengers unto Asher, and unto Zebulun, and unto Naphtali; and they came up to meet them. 6,36 And Gideon said unto God: 'If Thou wilt save Israel by my hand, as Thou hast spoken, 6,37 behold, I will put a fleece of wool on the threshing-floor; if there be dew on the fleece only, and it be dry upon all the ground, then shall I know that Thou wilt save Israel by my hand, as Thou hast spoken.' 6,38 And it was so; for he rose up early on the morrow, and pressed the fleece together, and wrung dew out of the fleece, a bowlful of water. 6,39 And Gideon said unto God: 'Let not Thine anger be kindled against me, and I will speak but this once: let me make trial, I pray Thee, but this once with the fleece; let it now be dry only upon the fleece, and upon all the ground let there be dew.' 6,40 And God did so that night; for it was dry upon the fleece only, and there was dew on all the ground. {P}

7,1 Then Jerubbaal, who is Gideon, and all the people that were with him, rose up early, and pitched beside En-harod; and the camp of Midian was on the north side of them, by Gibeath-moreh, in the valley. {S} 7,2 And the LORD said unto Gideon: 'The people that are with thee are too many for Me to give the Midianites into their hand, lest Israel vaunt themselves against Me, saying: mine own hand hath saved me. 7,3 Now therefore make proclamation in the ears of the people, saying: Whosoever is fearful and trembling, let him return and depart early from mount Gilead.' And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand. {S} 7,4 And the LORD said unto Gideon: 'The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there; and it shall be, that of whom I say to thee: This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee: This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go.' 7,5 So he brought down the people unto the water; and the LORD said unto Gideon: 'Everyone that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.' 7,6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, was three hundred men; but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water. {S} 7,7 And the LORD said unto Gideon: 'By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thy hand; and let all the people go every man unto his place.' 7,8 So they took the victuals of the people in their hand, and their horns; and he sent all the men of Israel every man unto his tent, but retained the three hundred men; and the camp of Midian was beneath him in the valley. {P}

7,9 And it came to pass the same night, that the LORD said unto him: 'Arise, get thee down upon the camp; for I have delivered it into thy hand. 7,10 But if thou fear to go down, go thou with Purah thy servant down to the camp. 7,11 And thou shalt hear what they say; and afterward shall thy hands be strengthened to go down upon the camp.' Then went he down with Purah his servant unto the outermost part of the armed men that were in the camp. 7,12 Now the Midianites and the Amalekites and all the children of the east lay along in the valley like locusts for multitude; and their camels were without number, as the sand which is upon the sea-shore for multitude. 7,13 And when Gideon was come, behold, there was a man telling a dream unto his follow, and saying: 'Behold, I dreamed a dream, and, lo, a cake of barley bread tumbled into the camp of Midian, and came unto the tent, and smote it that it fell, and turned it upside down, that the tent lay flat.' 7,14 And his fellow answered and said: 'This is nothing else save the sword of Gideon the son of Joash, a man of Israel: into his hand God hath delivered Midian, and all the host.' {P}

7,15 And it was so, when Gideon heard the telling of the dream, and the interpretation thereof, that he worshipped; and he returned into the camp of Israel, and said: 'Arise; for the LORD hath delivered into your hand the host of Midian.' 7,16 And he divided the three hundred men into three companies, and he put into the hands of all of them horns, and empty pitchers, with torches within the pitchers. 7,17 And he said unto them: 'Look on me, and do likewise; and, behold, when I come to the outermost part of the camp, it shall be that, as I do, so shall ye do. 7,18 When I blow the horn, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the horns also on every side of all the camp, and say: For the LORD and for Gideon!' {P}

7,19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outermost part of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch, when they had but newly set the watch; and they blew the horns, and broke in pieces the pitchers that were in their hands. 7,20 And the three companies blew the horns, and broke the pitchers, and held the torches in their left hands, and the horns in their right hands wherewith to blow; and they cried: 'The sword for the LORD and for Gideon!' 7,21 And they stood every man in his place round about the camp; and all the host ran; and they shouted, and fled. 7,22 And they blew the three hundred horns, and the LORD set every man's sword a against his fellow, even throughout all the host; and the host fled as far as Beth-shittah toward Zererah, as far as the border of Abel-meholah, by Tabbath. 7,23 And the men of Israel were gathered together out of Naphtali, and out of Asher, and out of all Manasseh, and pursued after Midian. 7,24 And Gideon sent messengers throughout all the hill-country of Ephraim, saying: 'Come down against Midian, and take before them the waters, as far as Beth-barah, and also the Jordan.' So all the men of Ephraim were gathered together, and took the waters as far as Beth-barah, and also the Jordan. 7,25 And they took the two princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb at the Rock of Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at the Winepress of Zeeb, and pursued Midian; and they brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon beyond the Jordan. 8,1 And the men of Ephraim said unto him: 'Why hast thou served us thus, that thou didst not call us when thou wentest to fight with Midian?' And they did chide with him sharply. 8,2 And he said unto them: 'What have I now done in comparison with you? Is not the gleaning of Ephraim better than the vintage of Abiezer? 8,3 God hath delivered into your hand the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb; and what was I able to do in comparison with you?' Then their anger was abated toward him, when he had said that. 8,4 And Gideon came to the Jordan, and passed over, he, and the three hundred men that were with him, faint, yet pursuing. 8,5 And he said unto the men of Succoth: 'Give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto the people that follow me; for they are faint, and I am pursuing after Zebah and Zalmunna, the kings of Midian.' 8,6 And the princes of Succoth said: 'Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thy power, that we should give bread unto thine army?' 8,7 And Gideon said: 'Therefore when the LORD hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into my hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers.' 8,8 And he went up thence to Penuel, and spoke unto them in like manner; and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered. 8,9 And he spoke also unto the men of Penuel, saying: 'When I come back in peace, I will break down this tower.' {P}

8,10 Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the host of the children of the east; for there fell a hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword. 8,11 And Gideon went up by the way of them that dwelt in tents on the east of Nobah and Jogbehah, and smote the host; for the host was secure. 8,12 And Zebah and Zalmunna fled; and he pursued after them; and he took the two kings of Midian, Zebah and Zalmunna, and discomfited all the host. 8,13 And Gideon the son of Joash returned from the battle from the ascent of Heres. 8,14 And he caught a young man of the men of Succoth, and inquired of him; and he wrote down for him the princes of Succoth, and the elders thereof, seventy and seven men. 8,15 And he came unto the men of Succoth, and said: 'Behold Zebah and Zalmunna, concerning whom ye did taunt me, saying: Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thy power, that we should give bread unto thy men that are weary?' 8,16 And he took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth. 8,17 And he broke down the tower of Penuel, and slew the men of the city. 8,18 Then said he unto Zebah and Zalmunna: 'Where are the men whom ye slew at Tabor?' And they answered: 'As thou art, so were they; of one form with the children of a king.' 8,19 And he said: 'They were my brethren, the sons of my mother; as the LORD liveth, if ye had saved them alive, I would not slay you.' 8,20 And he said unto Jether his first-born: 'Up, and slay them.' But the youth drew not his sword; for he feared, because he was yet a youth. 8,21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said: 'Rise thou, and fall upon us; for as the man is, so is his strength.' And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescents that were on their camels' necks. {P}

8,22 Then the men of Israel said unto Gideon: 'Rule thou over us, both thou, and thy son, and thy son's son also; for thou hast saved us out of the hand of Midian.' 8,23 And Gideon said unto them: 'I will not rule over you, neither shall my son rule over you; the LORD shall rule over you.' 8,24 And Gideon said unto them: 'I would make a request of you, that ye would give me every man the ear-rings of his spoil.'--For they had golden ear-rings, because they were Ishmaelites. 8,25 And they answered: 'We will willingly give them.' And they spread a garment, and did cast therein every man the ear-rings of his spoil. 8,26 And the weight of the golden ear-rings that he requested was a thousand and seven hundred shekels of gold; beside the crescents, and the pendants, and the purple raiment that was on the kings of Midian, and beside the chains that were about their camels' necks. 8,27 And Gideon made an ephod thereof, and put it in his city, even in Ophrah; and all Israel went astray after it there; and it became a snare unto Gideon, and to his house. 8,28 So Midian was subdued before the children of Israel, and they lifted up their heads no more. And the land had rest forty years in the days of Gideon. {P}

8,29 And Jerubbaal the son of Joash went and dwelt in his own house. 8,30 And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten; for he had many wives. 8,31 And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bore him a son, and he called his name Abimelech. 8,32 And Gideon the son of Joash died in a good old age, and was buried in the sepulchre of Joash his father, in Ophrah of the Abiezrites. {P}

8,33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel again went astray after the Baalim, and made Baal-berith their god. 8,34 And the children of Israel remembered not the LORD their God, who had delivered them out of the hand of all their enemies on every side; 8,35 neither showed they kindness to the house of Jerubbaal, namely Gideon, according to all the goodness which he had shown unto Israel. {P}

9,1 And Abimelech the son of Jerubbaal went to Shechem unto his mother's brethren, and spoke with them, and with all the family of the house of his mother's father, saying: 9,2 'Speak, I pray you, in the ears of all the men of Shechem: Which is better for you, that all the sons of Jerubbaal, who are threescore and ten persons, rule over you, or that one rule over you? remember also that I am your bone and your flesh.' 9,3 And his mother's brethren spoke of him in the ears of all the men of Shechem all these words; and their hearts inclined to follow Abimelech; for they said: 'He is our brother.' 9,4 And they gave him threescore and ten pieces of silver out of the house of Baal-berith, wherewith Abimelech hired vain and light fellows, who followed him. 9,5 And he went unto his father's house at Ophrah, and slew his brethren the sons of Jerubbaal, being threescore and ten persons, upon one stone; but Jotham the youngest son of Jerubbaal was left; for he hid himself. {S} 9,6 And all the men of Shechem assembled themselves together, and all Beth-millo, and went and made Abimelech king, by the terebinth of the pillar that was in Shechem. 9,7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them: 'Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you. 9,8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive-tree: Reign thou over us. 9,9 But the olive-tree said unto them: Should I leave my fatness, seeing that by me they honour God and man, and go to hold sway over the trees? 9,10 And the trees said to the fig-tree: Come thou, and reign over us. 9,11 But the fig-tree said unto them: Should I leave my sweetness, and my good fruitage, and go to hold sway over the trees? 9,12 And the trees said unto the vine: Come thou, and reign over us. 9,13 And the vine said unto them: Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to hold sway over the trees? 9,14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble: Come thou, and reign over us. 9,15 And the bramble said unto the trees: If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shadow; and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon. 9,16 Now therefore, if ye have dealt truly and uprightly, in that ye have made Abimelech king, and if ye have dealt well with Jerubbaal and his house, and have done unto him according to the deserving of his hands-- 9,17 for my father fought for you, and adventured his life, and delivered you out of the hand of Midian; 9,18 and ye are risen up against my father's house this day, and have slain his sons, threescore and ten persons, upon one stone, and have made Abimelech, the son of his maid-servant, king over the men of Shechem, because he is your brother-- 9,19 if ye then have dealt truly and uprightly with Jerubbaal and with his house this day, then rejoice ye in Abimelech, and let him also rejoice in you. 9,20 But if not, let fire come out from Abimelech, and devour the men of Shechem, and Beth-millo; and let fire come out from the men of Shechem, and from Beth-millo, and devour Abimelech.' 9,21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother. {P}

9,22 And Abimelech was prince over Israel three years. 9,23 And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech; 9,24 that the violence done to the threescore and ten sons of Jerubbaal might come, and that their blood might be laid upon Abimelech their brother, who slew them, and upon the men of Shechem, who strengthened his hands to slay his brethren. 9,25 And the men of Shechem set liers-in-wait for him on the tops of the mountains, and they robbed all that came along that way by them; and it was told Abimelech. {P}

9,26 And Gaal the son of Ebed came with his brethren, and went on to Shechem; and the men of Shechem put their trust in him. 9,27 And they went out into the field, and gathered their vineyards, and trod the grapes, and held festival, and went into the house of their god, and did eat and drink, and cursed Abimelech. 9,28 And Gaal the son of Ebed said: 'Who is Abimelech, and who is Shechem, that we should serve him? is not he the son of Jerubbaal? and Zebul his officer? serve ye the men of Hamor the father of Shechem; but why should we serve him? 9,29 And would that this people were under my hand! then would I remove Abimelech.' And he said to Abimelech: 'Increase thine army, and come out.' 9,30 And when Zebul the ruler of the city heard the words of Gaal the son of Ebed, his anger was kindled. 9,31 And he sent messengers unto Abimelech in Tormah, saying: 'Behold, Gaal the son of Ebed and his brethren are come to Shechem; and, behold, they will incite the city against thee. 9,32 Now therefore, up by night, thou and the people that are with thee, and lie in wait in the field. 9,33 And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is up, thou shalt rise early, and set upon the city; and, behold, when he and the people that are with him come out against thee, then mayest thou do to them as thou shalt be able.' 9,34 And Abimelech rose up, and all the people that were with him, by night, and they lay in wait against Shechem in four companies. 9,35 And Gaal the son of Ebed went out, and stood in the entrance of the gate of the city; and Abimelech rose up, and the people that were with him, from the ambushment. 9,36 And when Gaal saw the people, he said to Zebul: 'Behold, there come people down from the tops of the mountains.' And Zebul said unto him: 'Thou seest the shadow of the mountains as if they were men.' 9,37 And Gaal spoke again and said: 'See, there come people down by the middle of the land, and one company cometh by the way of Elon-meonenim.' 9,38 Then said Zebul unto him: 'Where is now thy mouth, that thou saidst: Who is Abimelech, that we should serve him? is not this the people that thou hast despised? go out now, I pray, and fight with them.' 9,39 And Gaal went out before the men of Shechem, and fought with Abimelech. 9,40 And Abimelech chased him, and he fled before him, and there fell many wounded, even unto the entrance of the gate. 9,41 And Abimelech dwelt at Arumah; and Zebul drove out Gaal and his brethren, that they should not dwell in Shechem. {S} 9,42 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the people went out into the field; and it was told Abimelech. 9,43 And he took the people, and divided them into three companies, and lay in wait in the field; and he looked, and, behold, the people were coming forth out of the city; and he rose up against them, and smote them. 9,44 And Abimelech, and the companies that were with him, rushed forward, and stood in the entrance of the gate of the city; and the two companies rushed upon all that were in the field, and smote them. 9,45 And Abimelech fought against the city all that day; and he took the city, and slew the people that were therein; and he beat down the city, and sowed it with salt. {P}

9,46 And when all the men of the tower of Shechem heard thereof, they entered into the hold of the house of El-berith. 9,47 And it was told Abimelech that all the men of the tower of Shechem were gathered together. 9,48 And Abimelech got him up to mount Zalmon, he and all the people that were with him; and Abimelech took an axe in his hand, and cut down a bough from the trees, and took it up, and laid it on his shoulder; and he said unto the people that were with him: 'What ye have seen me do, make haste, and do as I have done.' 9,49 And all the people likewise cut down every man his bough, and followed Abimelech, and put them to the hold, and set the hold on fire upon them; so that all the men of the tower of Shechem died also, about a thousand men and women. {P}

9,50 Then went Abimelech to Thebez, and encamped against Thebez, and took it. 9,51 But there was a strong tower within the city, and thither fled all the men and women, even all they of the city, and shut themselves in, and got them up to the roof of the tower. 9,52 And Abimelech came unto the tower, and fought against it, and went close unto the door of the tower to burn it with fire. 9,53 And a certain woman cast an upper millstone upon Abimelech's head, and broke his skull. 9,54 Then he called hastily unto the young man his armour-bearer, and said unto him: 'Draw thy sword, and kill me, that men say not of me: A woman slew him.' And his young man thrust him through, and he died. 9,55 And when the men of Israel saw that Abimelech was dead, they departed every man unto his place. 9,56 Thus God requited the wickedness of Abimelech, which he did unto his father, in slaying his seventy brethren; 9,57 and all the wickedness of the men of Shechem did God requite upon their heads; and upon them came the curse of Jotham the son of Jerubbaal. {P}

10,1 And after Abimelech there arose to save Israel Tola the son of Puah, the son of Dodo, a man of Issachar; and he dwelt in Shamir in the hill-country of Ephraim. 10,2 And he judged Israel twenty and three years, and died, and was buried in Shamir. {P}

10,3 And after him arose Jair, the Gileadite; and he judged Israel twenty and two years. 10,4 And he had thirty sons that rode on thirty ass colts, and they had thirty cities, which are called Havvoth-jair unto this day, which are in the land of Gilead. 10,5 And Jair died, and was buried in Kamon. {P}

10,6 And the children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baalim, and the Ashtaroth, and the gods of Aram, and the gods of Zidon, and the gods of Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; and they forsook the LORD, and served Him not. 10,7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He gave them over into the hand of the Philistines, and into the hand of the children of Ammon. 10,8 And they oppressed and crushed the children of Israel that year; eighteen years [oppressed they] all the children of Israel that were beyond the Jordan in the land of the Amorites, which is in Gilead. 10,9 And the children of Ammon passed over the Jordan to fight also against Judah, and against Benjamin, and against the house of Ephraim, so that Israel was sore distressed. 10,10 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying: 'We have sinned against Thee, in that we have forsaken our God, and have served the Baalim.' {P}

10,11 And the LORD said unto the children of Israel: 'Did not I save you from the Egyptians, and from the Amorites, from the children of Ammon, and from the Philistines? 10,12 The Zidonians also, and the Amalekites, and the Maonites, did oppress you; and ye cried unto Me, and I saved you out of their hand. 10,13 Yet ye have forsaken Me, and served other gods; wherefore I will save you no more. 10,14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them save you in the time of your distress.' 10,15 And the children of Israel said unto the LORD: 'We have sinned; do Thou unto us whatsoever seemeth good unto Thee; only deliver us, we pray Thee, this day.' 10,16 And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served the LORD; and His soul was grieved for the misery of Israel. {P}

10,17 Then the children of Ammon were gathered together, and encamped in Gilead. And the children of Israel assembled themselves together, and encamped in Mizpah. 10,18 And the people, the princes of Gilead, said one to another: 'What man is he that will begin to fight against the children of Ammon? he shall be head over all the inhabitants of Gilead.' {P}

11,1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of a harlot; and Gilead begot Jephthah. 11,2 And Gilead's wife bore him sons; and when his wife's sons grew up, they drove out Jephthah, and said unto him: 'Thou shalt not inherit in our father's house; for thou art the son of another woman.' 11,3 Then Jephthah fled from his brethren, and dwelt in the land of Tob; and there were gathered vain fellows to Jephthah, and they went out with him. {P}

11,4 And it came to pass after a while, that the children of Ammon made war against Israel. 11,5 And it was so, that when the children of Ammon made war against Israel, the elders of Gilead went to fetch Jephthah out of the land of Tob. 11,6 And they said unto Jephthah: 'Come and be our chief, that we may fight with the children of Ammon.' 11,7 And Jephthah said unto the elders of Gilead: 'Did not ye hate me, and drive me out of my father's house? and why are ye come unto me now when ye are in distress?' 11,8 And the elders of Gilead said unto Jephthah: 'Therefore are we returned to thee now, that thou mayest go with us, and fight with the children of Ammon, and thou shalt be our head over all the inhabitants of Gilead.' 11,9 And Jephthah said unto the elders of Gilead: 'If ye bring me back home to fight with the children of Ammon, and the LORD deliver them before me, I will be your head.' 11,10 And the elders of Gilead said unto Jephthah: 'The LORD shall be witness between us; surely according to thy word so will we do.' 11,11 Then Jephthah went with the elders of Gilead, and the people made him head and chief over them; and Jephthah spoke all his words before the LORD in Mizpah. {P}

11,12 And Jephthah sent messengers unto the king of the children of Ammon, saying: 'What hast thou to do with me, that thou art come unto me to fight against my land?' 11,13 And the king of the children of Ammon answered unto the messengers of Jephthah: 'Because Israel took away my land, when he came up out of Egypt, from the Arnon even unto the Jabbok, and unto the Jordan; now therefore restore those cities peaceably.' 11,14 And Jephthah sent messengers again unto the king of the children of Ammon; 11,15 and he said unto him: 'Thus saith Jephthah: Israel took not away the land of Moab, nor the land of the children of Ammon. 11,16 But when they came up from Egypt, and Israel walked through the wilderness unto the Red Sea, and came to Kadesh; 11,17 then Israel sent messengers unto the king of Edom, saying: Let me, I pray thee, pass through thy land; but the king of Edom hearkened not. And in like manner he sent unto the king of Moab; but he would not; and Israel abode in Kadesh. 11,18 Then he walked through the wilderness, and compassed the land of Edom, and the land of Moab, and came by the east side of the land of Moab, and they pitched on the other side of the Arnon; but they came not within the border of Moab, for the Arnon was the border of Moab. 11,19 And Israel sent messengers unto Sihon king of the Amorites, the king of Heshbon; and Israel said unto him: Let us pass, we pray thee, through thy land unto my place. 11,20 But Sihon trusted not Israel to pass through his border; but Sihon gathered all his people together, and pitched in Jahaz, and fought against Israel. 11,21 And the LORD, the God of Israel, delivered Sihon and all his people into the hand of Israel, and they smote them; so Israel possessed all the land of the Amorites, the inhabitants of that country. 11,22 And they possessed all the border of the Amorites, from the Arnon even unto the Jabbok, and from the wilderness even unto the Jordan. 11,23 So now the LORD, the God of Israel, hath dispossessed the Amorites from before His people Israel, and shouldest thou possess them? 11,24 Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God hath dispossessed from before us, them will we possess. 11,25 And now art thou any thing better than Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab? did he ever strive against Israel, or did he ever fight against them? 11,26 While Israel dwelt in Heshbon and its towns, and in Aroer and its towns, and in all the cities that are along by the side of the Arnon, three hundred years; wherefore did ye not recover them within that time? 11,27 I therefore have not sinned against thee, but thou doest me wrong to war against me; the LORD, the Judge, be judge this day between the children of Israel and the children of Ammon.' 11,28 Howbeit the king of the children of Ammon hearkened not unto the words of Jephthah which he sent him. {P}

11,29 Then the spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. 11,30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said: 'If Thou wilt indeed deliver the children of Ammon into my hand, 11,31 then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, it shall be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up for a burnt-offering.' {P}

11,32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hand. 11,33 And he smote them from Aroer until thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto Abel-cheramim, with a very great slaughter. So the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. {P}

11,34 And Jephthah came to Mizpah unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances; and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 11,35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said: 'Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art become my troubler; for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.' 11,36 And she said unto him: 'My father, thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD; do unto me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.' 11,37 And she said unto her father: 'Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may depart and go down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my companions.' 11,38 And he said: 'Go.' And he sent her away for two months; and she departed, she and her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 11,39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed; and she had not known man. And it was a custom in Israel, 11,40 that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year. {P}

12,1 And the men of Ephraim were gathered together, and passed to Zaphon; and they said unto Jephthah: 'Wherefore didst thou pass over to fight against the children of Ammon, and didst not call us to go with thee? we will burn thy house upon thee with fire.' 12,2 And Jephthah said unto them: 'I and my people were at great strife with the children of Ammon; and when I called you, ye saved me not out of their hand. 12,3 And when I saw that ye saved me not, I put my life in my hand, and passed over against the children of Ammon, and the LORD delivered them into my hand; wherefore then are ye come up unto me this day, to fight against me?' 12,4 Then Jephthah gathered together all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim; and the men of Gilead smote Ephraim, because they said: 'Ye are fugitives of Ephraim, ye Gileadites, in the midst of Ephraim, and in the midst of Manasseh.' 12,5 And the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites; and it was so, that when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said: 'Let me go over,' the men of Gilead said unto him: 'Art thou an Ephraimite?' If he said: 'Nay'; 12,6 then said they unto him: 'Say now Shibboleth'; and he said 'Sibboleth'; for he could not frame to pronounce it right; then they laid hold on him, and slew him at the fords of the Jordan; and there fell at that time of Ephraim forty and two thousand. 12,7 And Jephthah judged Israel six years. Then died Jephthah the Gileadite, and was buried in one of the cities of Gilead. {P}

12,8 And after him Ibzan of Beth-lehem judged Israel. 12,9 And he had thirty sons, and thirty daughters he sent abroad, and thirty daughters he brought in from abroad for his sons. And he judged Israel seven years. 12,10 and Ibzan died, and was buried at Beth-lehem. {P}

12,11 And after him Elon the Zebulunite judged Israel; and he judged Israel ten years. 12,12 And Elon the Zebulunite died, and was buried in Aijalon in the land of Zebulun. {P}

12,13 And after him Abdon the son of Hillel the Pirathonite judged Israel. 12,14 And he had forty sons and thirty sons' sons, that rode on threescore and ten ass colts; and he judged Israel eight years. 12,15 And Abdon the son of Hillel the Pirathonite died, and was buried in Pirathon in the land of Ephraim, in the hill-country of the Amalekites. {P}

13,1 And the children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years. {P}

13,2 And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bore not. 13,3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her: 'Behold now, thou art barren, and hast not borne; but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. 13,4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. 13,5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come upon his head; for the child shall be a Nazirite unto God from the womb; and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.' 13,6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying: 'A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of the angel of God, very terrible; and I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name; 13,7 but he said unto me: Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing; for the child shall be a Nazirite unto God from the womb to the day of his death.' {P}

13,8 Then Manoah entreated the LORD, and said: 'Oh, LORD, I pray Thee, let the man of God whom Thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall do unto the child that shall be born.' 13,9 And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field; but Manoah her husband was not with her. 13,10 And the woman made haste, and ran, and told her husband, and said unto him: 'Behold, the man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me that day.' 13,11 And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and said unto him: 'Art thou the man that spokest unto the woman?' And he said: 'I am.' 13,12 And Manoah said: 'Now when thy word cometh to pass, what shall be the rule for the child, and what shall be done with him?' 13,13 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah: 'Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware. 13,14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the grapevine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing; all that I commanded her let her observe.' {S} 13,15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD: 'I pray thee, let us detain thee, that we may make ready a kid for thee.' 13,16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah: 'Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread; and if thou wilt make ready a burnt-offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD.' For Manoah knew not that he was the angel of the LORD. 13,17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD: 'What is thy name, that when thy words come to pass we may do thee honour?' 13,18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him: 'Wherefore askest thou after my name, seeing it is hidden?' {P}

13,19 So Manoah took the kid with the meal-offering, and offered it upon the rock unto the LORD; and [the angel] did wondrously, and Manoah and his wife looked on. 13,20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar; and Manoah and his wife looked on; and they fell on their faces to the ground. 13,21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah or to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. 13,22 And Manoah said unto his wife: 'We shall surely die, because we have seen God.' 13,23 But his wife said unto him: 'If the LORD were pleased to kill us, He would not have received a burnt-offering and a meal-offering at our hand, neither would He have shown us all these things, nor would at this time have told such things as these.' 13,24 And the woman bore a son, and called his name Samson; and the child grew, and the LORD blessed him. 13,25 And the spirit of the LORD began to move him in Mahaneh-dan, between Zorah and Eshtaol. {P}

14,1 And Samson went down to Timnah, and saw a woman in Timnah of the daughters of the Philistines. 14,2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said: 'I have seen a woman in Timnah of the daughters of the Philistines; now therefore get her for me to wife.' 14,3 Then his father and his mother said unto him: 'Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines?' And Samson said unto his father: 'Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.' 14,4 But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD; for he sought an occasion against the Philistines. Now at that time the Philistines had rule over Israel. 14,5 Then went Samson down, and his father and his mother, to Timnah, and came to the vineyards of Tim

It is interesting to see that the names of Hebrew villages are the same as they are today.

Sure.... but yid seems to be working with it.
A general assault from you quarter.

like the Bible Spam seems to inflict itself on threads concerning zionism.
Oh wait, there's one one some other issue.
Covering your tracks?
Yep, we can see who is assaulting this wire, alright.

Do you think we need a C & P spam button?
Or is that the double post report button.
Yeah Someone really doesn't like this thread.

Do they *want* Indymedia to look bad?

Damn.
Just get your crew of zionazi weasels out of here.
We were doing fine w/o fresca, Bush Admirer, S the L and I'm sure we can survive w/o Ms. BJ the liar and 'you' w/ all the baggage of psycho babble involved in attacking any thread critical of Israel.
Stop with the repetitious C & P lies, apologies, inferences, spam finger pointing ( always elsewhere ) and denial of any possible blame for the policies of zionism.
This thread is a template of your methods.

Why would it serve our interest to do this? It ruins our fun, too. This is an assault on LA IMC- not part of a Zionist conspiracy.

But in your world, everything is part of a Zionist conspiracy, isn't it?

Its raining! Damn Zionists!
I lost my keys again! Damn Zionists!

Perhaps you aren't educable.....

This spam artist is just trying to supress others opinions. Classic facisct thought.

Is Schtarker's confession?

Our spammer talked! If you have nothing to say and are purely disruptive, then go to Nessie's site where they will welcome you the way that you deserve.

Notice that he didn't try to deny it.

Hey Spammer, I deny it. Now get off the computer before your mother gets home from work.

We notice that you haven't denied being the spammer.

but you were playing w/ it. Like a pet.
Your pet.

So is this idiot spammer one of your "anti-zionist" allies Sheepdog? Its pretty obvious that there simply isn't any basis for "anti-zionism" other than Jew hatred, and so our resident "anti-zionisnsts" feel the need to disrupt instead of reason. Its a version of what happened on Indybay. The "anti-zionist" editors realized that no matter how many times they posted articles from "Electronic intifada", that a well read Pro-Israel voice would come along and point out the lies and fallacies. So, like true fascists , they simply block dissenting voices. Here Toady isn't an editor , and so is stifing other voices in the only way availible to him. Remember, it'll be these type of fake "progressives" who will be the first to take away your right to freedom of speech. It has been proven at indybay. Sheepdog, even you should be embarassed.

That's a patent absurdity. Think this thing all the way through. Who wants to be able to discuss the hideously racist institution of Zionism here, and who has been doing everything in their power to drown it out?

I don't 'do' spam.
I receive nothing from my activity on this forum.
I am w/o undefined or defined 'allies' except from unsolicited corners.
Now why are 'you' zionists so intent on camping here to play your usual games to attack this wire?
Why is LA IMC so important for you to dominate?

In essence, i feel that I am an irate consumer of news and the lies being told about Israel being passed off as"news" is what infuriates me.

and not liking what you see, you feel compelled to smother it with spam.

I'm sure it will halt.
And because of the nature of these attacks on typically zionist issues we can see that your side is doing the usual soft shoe pointing fingers elsewhere.

Notice how Yid usually posts only during standard business hours? Bored desk jockey, perhaps? The spam is round the clock. Its not Yid.

Hey it's most likely any or all of you.
Don't care. Cut it out.
It doesn't work to disrupt.
It only points out the uncomfortable posts as we are treated to BW loading, sandbagging techniques.
I don't really believe this is anything new but rather the same old same old. From our old adversaries.

Anti-Zionists have been trying to discuss Zionism, the Israel Lobby and justice for Palestine. Zionists have been doing everything they can to drown it out. The bible spam, like the coin spam, and whoever reposts whatever anti-Zionists say but with with a few words changed, are drowning it out. Ergo, the most likely perps by far are the Zionist propaganda mill. They're the only ones who gain by having the spam appear here. Everyone else loses, especially the people who run LA-IMC, whose reputation has been severely damaged by their failure, or is it refusal, to remove the spam the befouls their site.

The Zionists are here to discuss and dialog with those of differing opinions, in the hopes of reaching understanding and consensus. Its actually quite pleasent down here- no one has threatened to kill me yet.( unlike Indybay, where I had a growing collection of death threats)
Since our goal is dialog, the repeated spamming is self defeating, as it makes dialog impossible. So, no, we don't benefit. At all.

No they aren't.
They're here to present a one sided view of the crimes of Israel.
And if this one sided view is challenged we are treated w/ epitaphs of Jew hating' when zionism itself is the greatest threat to Jews world wide by covering their actions with 'Jewishness' while provoking real hatred towards Jews with the programs of Genocide towards the Palestinians and menace towards their neighbors.
Zionists want us to believe this occurs merely because of their 'race' and not their policies.
The BIG lie.

I refuse to stoop to your level anymore. No name calling. Just so you know--that was not me spamming, nor was it me that you thought you were talking to.
The only thing you had right was my post you pasted from Indybay. I am glad to know you are still reading Indybay.
Just to reiterate: You are confusing me w/ other posters. I am done w/ the flame wars on LAIMC.
Have fun.

Defending Israel, the Israel lobby and Zionism is an act of pure evil. It is not one bit different than defending the Third Reich, the Bund and Nazism.

To lie and claim that defending Israel, the Israel lobby and Zionism is an act of pure evil is unmitigated evil. Such lies are not one bit different than defending the Gilad Atzmon, David Duke and Israel Shamir.

Is "Scapegoat" now claiming to be "Schtarker"?

> you didn't even try to demonstrate why



It was one of the Zionist stalk squad. Here's why:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#161616

Neither is more coin spam or, for that matter, any spam. All they are trying to do is drown out the undeniable truth about what racist aggressor, liars, forgers and spammers they are. They are trying to do to this website exactly what they have done to Palestine, and their mentors the Nazis did to Poland, barge in by brute force and seize control of the place.

Why are the editors letting it happen?

We were really treated with the full effects of these zionazis with the same check list of forgeries, spam and sandbagging that have been repeated on other assaulted sites. It seems to be a standard playlist of attack.
It's not dialogue.

We've just ceased being productive here.

That's funny.
SF reacted to the very same assault by realizing that these zionists NEVER play by the rules witch, although is defacto, is considered at least within the frame work of rational discussion.
They were treated with the same garbage we are now experiencing.
There is only one commandment for these individuals. And this takes precedence over any 'dialogue'.
Israel can do nothing wrong.

>He knows how IMC collectives work

One of the more pleasant side effefcts of the Indybay/SF-IMC split was that Zionist mole Peter Maiden went with Indybay. With his block out of the picture, SF-IMC was finally able to enact a zero tolerance policy for racists. That's how gehrig and Wendy got the boot the same day.

Gehrig knows the Zionist propaganda mill can't take over the collective tht runs LA-IMC, so they are trying to overwhelm the site with enough spam to drown out all news about the evil that is Zionism.

It's the next best thing.

They are still trying to drown out this conversation with noise.

not for us, the rational reader.
Maybe for the zionazi propaganda machine.

And your zionazi assault on this wire is also not occurring.
Tell it to the Xmass bunny.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/155160_comment.php#160874

". . . the reaction proves their point so neatly it's almost funny." -- Molly Ivins

They'll do *anything* to smother criticism of their evil, racist nature.

anti zionists using profanity?
How could that be when I personally am merely following 'dumbfuck Jew's'
'cesspit' of language usage.
And again w/ denial.
Does ANYBODY buy this stuff?

To Ms. BJ.
Do you know that the ideology you are being paid to defend is a threat to all Jews?
Are you a closet anti-Judaic?

SHEEPDOG WRITES: To Ms. BJ. "Do you know that the ideology you are being paid to defend is a threat to all Jews? Are you a closet anti-Judaic?"

BECKY: Its Ms. Johnson to you. Who says I am being paid? Are YOU being paid to post here? For the record, I am NOT being paid to post here, to post at www.dafka.org or anywhere else for that matter. I have always stated that I am an unpaid volunteer. Does Sheepdog think that ONLY people who oppose his anti-semitism are being paid to do so?

How about the Neturei Karta? They are opposed to Zionism. AND they ARE being paid by the Palestinian Authority!!!

See:
PA FUNDS NETUREI KARTA

Amir Rappaport. Arafat transferred funds to Neturei Karta: Captured PA documents reveal that $55,000 given to leader of the anti-Zionist sect. Maariv International, 2 April 2004.

BECKY: I think Hitler's Nazi extermination program was "a threat to all Jews." I think that Pres. Ahmadenajad's comments are "a threat to all Jews."

I think that the Hamas Charter explicitly makes "a threat to all Jews." Really Sheepdog, some of your arguments make no sense whatsoever.

As far as Judaism, my study of the Torah has been a very rewarding experience. Jewish wisdom is fundamental to both Christianity and Islam. In fact, I'm having trouble finding what new wisdom did either Christianity OR Islam add to human understanding? Most of my favorite parts of Christianity (e.g. the sermon on the mount) were rip-offs from Jewish teachings that preceeded them.

What has Islam taught us, as human beings, about how to get along with each other, to care for our families and communities, and to be a force for justice in the world?

Please do tell. Enquiring minds want to know.

And why exactly IS Ms. BJ being paid to promote zionism, the real great threat to Jews world wide with their vicious tactics and equivocations as they commit Genocide. All in the wrapping of 'Jews'.
Gold coins don't make one a Jew.

particularly when I bring up the uncomfortable conclusion ( un-refuted for legal intent ) Ms. BJ's being on the same payroll you're on?
As her closet anti-Jew apologies for zionism, put the Jewish populations of the world at risk?

Confess you're playing second fiddle to your pal 'toady' in this mega-spamming operation.

- Are YOU being paid to post here?-
No.
Nothing at all.
No candy either.
I've already stated I have no compensation. None. Nothing.
So how much is your pay, anyway.
Not that you ever refuted for legal resaons not being on a payroll from the same corners your weasel scum zionazi friends get theirs.
And it's Always going to be Ms. BJ to me. What's wrong with that?

when the collective finds itself being sandbagged.
Can we enlist the help of other sister IMCs to assist in the garbage control?The ones that haven't been compromised?

Why can't these be blocked or at least deleted?
It s making LA IMC unusable.

Its "Bamidbar" to Jews, not "Numbers'. Its clearly not a Jewish spammer.

it's not a 'Jew' its you.
Playing funny games.
And wrapping the dangerous ideology of zionism in all Jews, all over the world.
While your policies of Genocide, with your help. paint all Jews as zionists.

Well, Sheepdog, I dislike and disagree with you but at least your'e not the spammer.

Sheepdog: And wrapping the dangerous ideology of zionism in all Jews, all over the world.

I'm not exactly sure that you're referring to this, but I think you may be referring to Yid's comment that it is clearly not a Jewish spammer because they refer to it as Numbers, not Bamidbar. This isn't a Zionist invention, it's the name of the book. Ever notice that Numbers doesn't sound like Hebrew, thought the Torah was written in Hebrew? Shockingly, Numbers is not the original name. The books are named by the first (well, close enough) word, in Hebrew obviously.

And we're supposed to trust your comments when you can't distinguish Judaism from Zionism...

-it is clearly not a Jewish spammer because they refer to it as Numbers, not Bamidbar.-
proves nothing.
Absolutely nothing.

You're right, a good number of American Jews likely would use the English name. Yid, on the other hand, would not.

Listen, I'm not going to get into this perpetual "you did it" "no we didn't" fight, all I'm going to say is this: notice how we're on here less after the bible spam? You know why? It's annoying, it's really hard to argue when you have to scroll through a spam, get fed up and move the bar manually, then accidentally go way to far and have to go down and repeat to find the arguement. So yes, we're just as fed up as you.

I hear you. Its not about whose attacking. or even why, but if it were the Swiss attacking Israel, I'd fight the Swiss. It happens to be the Arabs,but if they stopped the attacks, they and I could talk about our common ancestor and our mutual heritage of monotheism and it could be over.

sprayed coffee over my screen.
wait.
Why can you at least stop seizing more lands, pumping the aquifers dry, ripping orchards, shooting civilians and pulling all the crap you say the Palestinians do but with the meanest best equipped military in the area against a people you have walled into nasty huge starving ghettos, now that you have cut all the aid by proxy and pressure.
You could offer a huge un'stringed' gesture of humanity.
Like letting the people of your occupied Palestine join into one land open to the sea? For everyone?

Stop typing those lies right off your Big Oil funded anti-Israel propaganda mill talking points. Start acknowledging massive Palestinian agricultural and industrial theft, arson of lands, massacre of innocents, over-pumping of aquifers. Start acknowledging the Israeli tax monies released to the PA, the Israeli uninterterference with UN and humanitarian assistance to the Palis. Start concerning yourself with the plight of all those Jews that have been victimized by your beloved "Cherubes of Palestine".

What kind of fucktard steadfastly refuses to recognize that his oh-so lovely Palestinians are totally against equality to all in free state "from the river to the see"?

Time to read up. Start with William Ziff's "Rape of Palestine". How did it get this way? Simply, the Arabs that now call themselves "Palestinians" are reaping the "karma" of decades of racsist war mongering. They created the situation that they now find themselves in,over and over again.

Chag Sameach!

חג שבועות שמח

haven't read Ziff.
Have read others and I see it like this if you please.
How did it get this way? ( as if anything like this is really simple )
Simply, the Europeans that now call themselves "Israelis" are reaping the results of decades of racsist war mongering. They created the situation that they now find themselves in,over and over again.
Of course this was from another group of Jewish authors..

don't know why my reply was hidden but here it is in relation to the spam attacks on this thread.

well
by charismatic megafauna Thursday, Jun. 01, 2006 at 4:42 PM

You're right, a good number of American Jews likely would use the English name. Yid, on the other hand, would not.

Listen, I'm not going to get into this perpetual "you did it" "no we didn't" fight, all I'm going to say is this: notice how we're on here less after the bible spam? You know why? It's annoying, it's really hard to argue when you have to scroll through a spam, get fed up and move the bar manually, then accidentally go way to far and have to go down and repeat to find the arguement. So yes, we're just as fed up as you.

Report this post as:
add your comments


The following post has status hidden:
as nessie would say- bunk logic
by Sheepdog • Thursday, Jun. 01, 2006 at 4:53 PM

nonsense.
The majjor attacks are being brought upon the threads and comments that question your motives and motivation.
And you know about wolverines?
What they can't eat, they piss on so nothing else can.
See a familiar pattern here?
Any observation will show the spam happens after a prickly reply by me or the monster of ten thousand names ( when not forged ) or to clear the previous comment by same ( me and that other guy in SF ) so dumbfuck Jew can spout its usual false screeds to accuse me of being a nazi or goose-stepping. I served this country, America twice with honor.
Army and Air Force.
My country w/ My People. Don't give a flying fuck if they're Jews or freaks or even some minor dickweeds. I draw the line at assholes who endanger my friends. Fuck off and die.


add your comments


The following post has status hidden:
addendum
by Sheepdog • Thursday, Jun. 01, 2006 at 5:00 PM

I draw the line at PAID assholes, like Ms. BJ and all of 'you'who endanger my friends. Fuck off and die.

They can be, easily. The editors here consciously choose not to.

WhY?

Probably for the same reason they hid this:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/161791.php

They hid this:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/161785.php

From this one, they actually removed the text. It was a call for input by the reading public on the issue of what should be done about the Zionist "presence" here. From this we can only conclude that the opinions of the people who read this site do not factor into their editorial decision making process.

For shame, LA-IMC, for shame.

nessie: "From this we can only conclude that the opinions of the people who read this site do not factor into their editorial decision making process."

Funny, when you say that about SF-IMC ("But don't expect that anything you say is going to cause us to change our editorial policy. It's not going to happen,") it's a virtue, When you say it about LA-IMC, it's a fault. Why? Because there's one set of rules for nessie, and one set for everyone else.

Don't be a nessie, folks. Stay in school.

@%<

(1.) Even if it were true, it would still be an ad hominem tu quoque, i.e., bunk logic. If “they do it, too” were a valid excuse, Hitler would be off the hook for killing those six million Jews, because Stalin killed six million Ukrainians.

(2.) It's not true, because there are more than one group of people who read any Indymedia site. The opinions of those in the Global Justice Movement count. The opinions of those not in the Global Justice Movement do not count. This is because you can't be neutral on a moving train. It's time for the people who edit this site to choose sides. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Enough is enough. Either make Indymedia a threat again, or get the hell out, and make room for people who will.

The Global Justice Movement does not speak with one voice. There is room for many opinions.
And not everyone agrees with Nessie.
The sane ones don't, for example

Not only is he unlikely to read through William Ziff, he also mimics Yid's post. Even sheep knows better by now than to label all Israelis Europeans. The inevitable conclusion? He's out of arguments for this round and could only try to save the situation by moaning about how some of his latest posts were hidden.

Nessie: yammity yammity yammity.

Nessie can't defend his hypocrisy, and instead goes for boilerplate babble. And you know he's struggling when he invokes his favorite bit of vagueness, what he calles Thuh Global Justice Movement -- a nebulous and never-defined, ever-shifting concept by which nessie means except whatever random out-the-ass opinion he needs to hype at the moment as if it were some absolute truth. Kinda like what the communists meant by "progress" -- that is, whatever they needed it to mean at the moment.

@%<

Just for the heck of it, let's take a look at what nessie's prose gets to looking like when he gets into damage control mode because he's been caught playing one-rule-for-me-another-rule-for-thee again.

nessie; "It's not true, because there are more than one group of people who read any Indymedia site. The opinions of those in the Global Justice Movement count. The opinions of those not in the Global Justice Movement do not count."

Membership in the Global Justice Movement, as nessie defines it, is of course solely determined by whether you agree with nessie. This way, nessie can enforce his notoriously subjective political program of censorship -- the one that drove away nearly every SF-IMC there ever was -- while simultaneously passing the responsibility to some diffuse and ill-defined Global They. No, nessie sez, I'm not editing SF-IMC as if it were my personal blog -- I'm merely applying the principles of Thuh Global Justice Movement, which I'm using as the world's largest sock puppet.

Then, after the mendacity, nessie tries to complete the sale with a barrage of table-thumping cliches:

Nessie: "This is because you can't be neutral on a moving train."

Cliche.

Nessie: "It's time for the people who edit this site to choose sides."

Cliche.

Nessie: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. "

Cliche.

Nessie: "Enough is enough."

Cliche.

Nessie: "Either make Indymedia a threat again, or get the hell out, and make room for people who will."

Cliche, cliche, and cliche.

Exactly how "making Indymedia a threat again" correlates to chasing off all its readers we'll leave as an exercise to the reader.

In the meantime, though, there remains a stark contrast. He's pleased as punch that SF-IMC editorial policy is immune to reader response. He's shocked and dismayed by the possibility that LA-IMC editorial policy could be immune to reader response. One rule for he, one rule for thee.

@%<

It does on the issue of justice. We disagree on how to achieve it, but not on whether or not it should be achieved.

>Membership in the Global Justice Movement, as nessie defines it, is of course solely determined by whether you agree with nessie.

This is yet another Zionist lie. Membership in the Global Justice Movement is defined by one's actions. If you work for Global Justice, you're a member. If you work against Global Justice you're not. To promote a racist agenda, anywhere on the planet, is to work against justice.


>Cliche.

>Cliche.

>Cliche.

Here the Zionist propaganda mill once engages in bunk logic in their effort to deceive you . Specifically, this argument is called style over substance. It doesn't matter whether or not what I say has been said before or not. All that matters is whether or not it is true. As the Zionist propaganda mill cannot refute the truth, they try to distract you by changing the topic to my style. It's a trick. Don't fall for it.


>Exactly how "making Indymedia a threat again" correlates to chasing off all its readers we'll leave as an exercise to the reader.

Indymedia is not for everybody. It is for Global Justice activists, their friends, their allies and their potential friends and allies. It is particularly not for racists, aggressors, oppressors, and their friends and allies. If you support racism, aggression and/or oppression, you do not belong in Indymedia and your propaganda does not belong on Indymedia bandwidth. Get out.

>Membership in the Global Justice Movement is defined by one's actions. If you work for Global Justice, you're a member. If you work against Global Justice you're not. To promote a racist agenda, anywhere on the planet, is to work against justice.

"nessie" works against Global Justice and promotes a racist anti-Jewish agenda of rabid anti-Zionism throughout Indymedia. Throw him the hell out.

To call an anti-Zionist agenda "anti-Jewish" is a patent absurdity. Most Zionists aren't Jewish. They're Christians.

To call an anti-Zionism "racist" is an even bigger absurdity. Zionism is racist by definition, because it postulates that one ethnic goup deserves more power, arms, land and water than do other ethnic groups. That is the very definition of racism.

>a real anti-racist

Translation: a real anti-Jewish racist under the anti-Zionist veil.

>To call an anti-Zionist agenda "anti-Jewish" is a patent absurdity.

To call an anti-Zionist agenda anti-Jewish is a patent truth in many cases, notably the nessie case.

>To call an anti-Zionism [sic] "racist" is an even bigger absurdity.

To call most anti-Zionists "racists" is an even bigger truth.

>Anti-Zionism is almost racist by definition whereas Zionism is not racist by definition, because it anti-Zionism postulates that one ethnic group, the Israelis, deserves no power, arms, land and water compared to Arab ethnic groups. That is the very definition of racism.

They can't refute the truth, so they try to drown it out with noise.

He can't refute the truth, so he tries to stifle it with vanity posts.

That's not a rebuttal. In fact, there *is* no rebuttal. If there was, we'd be reading it, and not all this gibberish.

He can't refute the truth, so he tries to stifle it with vanity posts.

nessie: "It does on the issue of justice. We disagree on how to achieve it, but not on whether or not it should be achieved."

Once again, nessie, your analysis is the wafer-thin, the thickness of one bumpersticker. You throw grand, abstract terms around, and then then implicitly grant yourself the special power to define them. Get over yourself. No, nessie, you don't have the magical right to define "Global Justice" for everyone else, no, you are not the Global Judge and Jury you imagine yourself to be, and no, nessie, you don't have the right to act as gatekeeper, condemning as heretics those who don't happen to mesh exactly with every last subparagraph your agenda. And you certainly don't have the right to pretend that the progressive left is in anyway lockstepped into any agenda, yours or others, no matter what silly bumpersticker you label it with.

@%<

just thought I'd drop in to say we should examine this thread in order to use it as a prime example of the difficulties this and other sites have under gone in the, most likely, same vector of attack.
I've noticed a particular familiarity in the repetition of phrases and syntax that mirror the other massive thread loading and attempt to dominate this wire by
these reactionary ( to the concept of an open analysis ) interests.
Personally I believe these individuals have been at this project for some time, indeed.

According to Nessie's "Global Justice Movement" standard, I should be one of his celebrated chosen ones.

Since I have a long track record of working on homeless civil rights, (try a google search with my name and "homeless") and wrote for Street Spirit in Oakland/SF. for ten years as a top writer, as well as my successful lawsuit against the LAPD for police brutality---and have organized anti-war rallies in Santa Cruz against both the Yugoslavia war AND the Iraq war---but NO. I"m sure Nessie would have me blocked because I don't agree with his anti-Jewish agenda.

Note to Sheepdog: I am not paid. I am a volunteer.

thank you for the 'I/m not getting paid' statement. Was that for your homeless activism or the activities here?

Howdy folks.

The plumber's coming out of the basement for a moment.

The reason for the assault is that the folks in the LA IMC don't really care that much about Israel/Palestine. At least they don't care that much about the debate as it concerns LA, except when there's something going on in LA that concerns the issue, and that event isn't a racist event.

i'm not sure why the content on the linked page was removed.

Personally, I tend to hide the "angry" posts that get reported on the topic, regardless of political position. Same for the long biblical cut-and-pastes... if they get reported. I don't have time to read the content carefully, and do the research necessary to make an informed ideological decision about these posts. A few times, I've personally left up many questionable posts regarding individuals or events that, normally, I might label as reactionary.

Anyway, the plumbing's fine. keep on shittin.

How about you autoblock the spammer/s for a prolonged period?

>you don't have the magical right to define "Global Justice" for everyone else

That's a straw man. I don't claim to define it. I merely state it's definition. To promote apartheid and racist aggression is the very antithesis of justice. Gehrig knows this. He knows he can't refute it. That's why instead he attacks me, personally with off topic diversions like who, if anyone, has the right to define anything. He's just trying to distract you. It's a trick. Don't fall for it. I'm not the issue. Justice is the issue. You know it's definition as well as he does.


>I've been working for Global Justice too!!!

Whatever else Becky does is irrelevant. She promotes a racist, aggressor, apartheid regime. That cancels out every good she has ever done. Hitler did some good things, too. So what? It didn't make him not be evil.


>he folks in the LA IMC don't really care that much about Israel/Palestine.

This is a deplorable moral failing on their part. A grievous injustice is being committed against the people of Palestine. And you don't care!?! That's disgusting. How dare you call yourselves activists, and sit on your butts and do nothing while millions of innocent people suffer from your neglect. Yes, yours. You are personally responsible for the Zionist rape of Palestine because you are Americans and you pay taxes. Without the literal financial support of Americans like you, Israel could never carry out it's ethnic cleansing, ruthless oppression and cold blooded murders. The blood of Palestine is on your hands. And you don't even care!?! For shame, LA-IMC, for shame. You're a disgrace to activism.

nessie: "I don't claim to define it. I merely state it's definition."

No, you state _your_ definition, and then try to bully everyone within earshot into believing that it's _the_ definition, rather than your own personal opinion. When you pull that kind of stunt, most people who bother to reply to you quite rightly tell you to fuck off and get over yourself. And they're exactly right to tell you this. Your authoritarian tactics betray you every time.

nessie: "How dare you call yourselves activists yammity yammity yammity For shame, LA-IMC, for shame. You're a disgrace to activism"

See, LA-IMC editors? It's just like I said. Disagree with nessie about anything, and he'll declare that you're eeee-eevil people working "against Global Justice." It's a litmus test, and the litmus test is this: have you ever disagreed with nessie? If so, you're eee-eeee-eevil.

@%<

He's *still* trying to divert your attention from the topic ("the Zionist Assault Upon LA IMC") by distracting you with an ad hominem. He really, really, really doesn't want you to think about the Zionist assault upon LA-IMC.

In doing so, he reveals not only how treacherous Zionists are, and how little respect they have for your intelligence, but also the basic, fundamental evil that underlies their ideology.

I pointed out that "to promote apartheid and racist aggression is the very antithesis of justice." He called that, " _your_ definition." Ergo, according to his definition, to promote apartheid and racist aggression *is* justice.

That pretty much sums them up.

How about the rest of you? Do *you* consider apartheid and racist aggression to be justice? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, but if you care to explain in greater detail, feel free.

One of these days nessie is going to surprise us all. He's going to title a post "very revealing," and it will actually be about something very revealing.

Until then, "very revealing" has turned out, again and again, to mean "nessie's going throw around a lot of nebulosities to cover his own hypocrisy and ego-explosions, even when that requires reading the tea leaves of a post that has no tea leaves in it."

And he's also going to give a demonstration of exactly the rhetorical dodge I said he relies on all too frequently -- the ever-shifting definition, this time of "justice." Ask him to define "justice," and he'll refuse. Why? Because he doesn't want to give up the ability to twist his definition in whichever direction he finds convenient in his next post.

@%<

Notice that he didn't try to deny that according to his definition, to promote apartheid and racist aggression *is* justice.

Laws come from man
Justice comes from doG, oh; I got that backwards...

Anyway the concept of justice apparently is a difficult and twisted path if you listen to anyone who could lie and cheat and steal. It would seem they have a problem w/ that.
But their real problem is convincing anyone of character that it doesn't matter if and when they find out about it.
So much time is devoted to keeping that from happening, this thread, for instance is getting into the top ten. :>)
Good thing I didn't mention the 'Dancing Israelis' Oh. that's right. I did and it was immediately hidden.
Sure learned from that, didn't I?

Do we really need these individuals to plant another Kobe, fresca, Hex, JA, Smashy, or now Ms. BJ w/ her basket of assistants?
These clarions of Genocide should not keep finding fertile ground for abuse and assault.
You have to realize they come from the same bus.
I think repeated violations of spam and 'noise' jabber should be immediately
banned for a cooling off period commensurate with the level of disrespect involved the associated attack.

Also the hidden status is unclear about violations for QC purposes.
It's not like you have plenty of time to deal w/ these issues.

>he didn't try to deny that according to his definition, to promote apartheid and racist aggression *is* justice.


Here, I'll make it easy for them. All the have to do is to complete this sentence:

Apartheid and racist aggression are just because _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .

And this from the guy who's always whining about "begging the question." Once again, one rule for nessie, one rule for thee.

@%<

I like to do a little research now and then. So I just visited SF.IMC to see what is new. I copied one month's worth of headlines and counted the comments posted there. Here are the results:


Copied from sf.indymedia.org on June 2 2006:


Shattuck Cinemas Employees To Vote on Forming a Union
by Worker Freedom Thursday, Jun. 01, 2006 at 10:28 AM

By Judith Scherr - Berkeley Daily Planet, May 30, 2006

0 comments



San Francisco Labor Council on Immigrant Rights
by repost Wednesday, May. 24, 2006 at 4:26 PM


Open World Conference of Workers
May 23, 2006


On May 22, the San Francisco Labor Council voted
unanimously to endorse the national statement by the
National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights
(NNIRR). [See copy of statement below.]

1 comment



printable version - email this article


Shattuck Cinema Union Campaign Update
by Worker Freedom Wednesday, May. 24, 2006 at 5:06 AM

Please donate money to the Bay Area IWW to help support this campaig...

3 comments



SF Immigrant Rally of May 17th
by reposted by Daniel Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 2:20 AM

The SF Chronicle omitted something...

0 comments



Volunteers to the rescue again
by SF-IMC Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 4:17 PM

Since 1989, City Hall has spent $1.9 million on palm trees to beautify the business district, but out in the neighborhoods, park maintenance is being done by unpaid San Franciscans.

2 comments



printable version - email this article


Wind of Peace in California
by Yumi Kamazuka Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 8:12 PM


A Japanese reporter visits Bay Area peace groups

Yumi Kamazuka is the Washington correspondent for Akahata, a leftwing Japanese daily...

0 comments

printable version - email this article


Nonunion firm wins Alcatraz ferry contract
by repost Saturday, May. 13, 2006 at 5:09 AM

Ending a long and bitter dispute, the National Park Service has signed a contract with Hornblower Yachts to operate ferry service to Alcatraz Island, it was announced Wednesday.

1 comment posted --it was deleted



printable version - email this article


SF Park and Rec. Natural Areas Program: over-worked and under-funded
by SF-IMC Tuesday, May. 09, 2006 at 4:50 PM


Volunteers to the rescue.

The SF Park and Rec. Natural Areas Program is over-worked and under-funded.

8 comments --all posted by SF IMC or Pointer

Shattuck Cinema Workers Go Union
by Worker Freedom Tuesday, May. 09, 2006 at 1:14 AM

Workers Say NO! To unjust work conditions, and demand management accountability....

2 posted --- one of which is censored



Update on the March 20th Arrests Against Torture
by Jessica Taal Sunday, May. 07, 2006 at 9:57 PM
jessie_@berkeley.edu

Update on the arrests from the protest in front of Diane Feinstein's office on March 20...

0 comments



May Day March for Immigrant Rights in Oakland
by Jonathan Nack Sunday, May. 07, 2006 at 6:43 PM
jonathan@eastbaynews.org

Immigrants and their supporters march down International Blvd. in Oakland, CA on May 1, 2006 (MayDay).

0 comments



On the waterfront -- Oak to Ninth
by Daniel Borgström Wednesday, May. 03, 2006 at 2:24 PM
daniel41@lycos.com

Oaklanders decided to turn Oak to Ninth into a waterfront park, but in a backroom deal, the land was sold to a developer.

0 comments

More photos from May Day immigrant rights protests in SF
by Ian Wednesday, May. 03, 2006 at 12:56 AM

Upwards of 100,000 marched and rallied for a general amnesty for all undocumented immigrants and genuine immigration reform...

0 comments



New Moon helps girls redefine beauty: SF girl honored in magazine
by Catherine Conover Tuesday, May. 02, 2006 at 10:07 AM
catherinec@newmoon.org 800-381-4743 New Moon Publishing

New Moon Magazine's Girls Editorial Board just published the 7th Annual "25 Beautiful Girls"

0 comments

BECKY: Yes, its a nice tidy site. Not cluttered with opinions or readers or commenters. There is no Bible spam. Very neat and clean. Why don't you go there Nessie?
There's PLENTY of bandwidth there to comment on.

Do we really need 'Sheepdog' to substitute as a Hex or a JA now that both are finally gone? This clarion of Genocide against Jews should not keep finding fertile ground for abuse and assault.
I think repeated violations of spam and 'noise' jabber designed to stifle pro-Israel commentary should be immediately banned for a cooling off period commensurate with the level of disrespect involved the associated attack. That would give the "sheepdog' some time to reflect on the issue of total contempt for a co-founder of this site he's been indulging in.

It's not like you have plenty of time to deal with these issues.

(I know I've mimiced sheep's post to a large extent, but it's part of the concept.)

Do we really need 'Sheepdog'- - - - - [Who is 'we'.?]

It's amusing that when you try to invert my comment, it turns out to be obvious babble.

Will the readership ever forgive me for pulling the tarp of absurdities from the
agenda of these individuals?
As I've said before, it wouldn't really bother me about these " Israeli / Palestinian" discussions save for the effect I've seen these operatives engage in and, in the end, it is my belief that they have two real agendas.
1. Dominate the site for pro-Israeli, anti- muslim ( Palestinian and all the 'other' inhabitants of greater Israel ) propaganda, to gate keep any discussion of this subject.
2. Failing that to disfunctionalize the operations of the site. One merely has to view this blimp of a thread as well as most of the other posts concerning Israel.

You figure it out.

Okay, here's the best part.
The more activity there is to cover up the plight of the occupied and now starving ghettos the Israeli government has created, the more everyone gets to know about it.
This is how I personally learned, by observing.
The issue is too important for Israeli propaganda to allow to be viewed w/o attacking it.
They're losing.
That's why the massive counter attack.

"Dominate the site for pro-Israeli, anti- muslim ( Palestinian and all the 'other' inhabitants of greater Israel ) propaganda", to gate keep any discussion of this subject. "

Whaduyaknow, at least he's used the name Israel rather than Palestine to designate the entire land or the disputed territories (the latter notion is a crock though many well meaning people often fall into this trap nevertheless).

"One merely has to view this blimp of a thread as well as most of the other posts concerning Israel. "

Hey, you launched this rabid anti-Zionist bashing excuse for a thread and it ended up occupying an immense amount of bandwidth and you've met blowback.

"The issue is too important for Israeli propaganda yak yak They're losing. "

If you're such a keen observer, have you ever noticed that to the extent "they" are experiencing terrible difficulties "winning", it's due in huge part to the Israeli far-leftists who tour the globe defaming Israel and posting their bile in Ha'aretz?

1. Dominate the site for pro-Israeli, anti- muslim ( Palestinian and all the 'other' inhabitants of greater Israel ) propaganda, to gate keep any discussion of this subject.

No- we are here to fill in facts that are left out, and to correct lies. When the reporting is fair balanced and acurate, we won't be needed. Maybe we'll go away then. Or maybe not. We wouldn't want you to get bored and start chewing on the furniture. If you want a pure unadulterated site, you could always visit Nessie's. From what Becky says, its pretty lonesome up there.

2. Failing that to disfunctionalize the operations of the site. One merely has to view this blimp of a thread as well as most of the other posts concerning Israel.

All of you bad boys, Zionists and anti-Zionists alike are driven by a childish need for the "last word'. All of you. That causes as much noise in these threads as the spamming.
Thats just testosterone driven ego stuff- you are all vying to be alpha dog. The lovely ladies of the IMC have no such need- you start playing your silly games, we wait for you to stop. I for one, would prefer the thread be limited to facts and information, with occassional, regularly scheduled breaks to torment Nessie.

this bit :
'Hey, you launched this rabid anti-Zionist bashing excuse for a thread and it ended up occupying an immense amount of bandwidth and you've met blowback'
Yup I sure did.
Got annoyed w/ 'you' again now promoting a replacement for fresca; Ms. BJ, ( who is so "well informed") and who was inserted into this forum with one of your fake food fights w/ 'JA'
And the many huge attacks yer boz were depositing here to smother, derail and parrot your talking points, over and over, verbatim after they were analyzed and disassembled.


.

Though one wonder I detect here is your apparent disdain for Joseph Anderson. Nothing to scoff at given how mouth foamingly rabidly anti-Zionist *wink-wink* both of you are.

He was certainly in the same mold as the 'other' klowns you individuals use to crap up any analysis with proven crap, again and again.
I know your playbook 'cause I've watched you trash other Indy sites or out right infiltrate some.
It's not like this is a game.

Joey was one of the folk that physically prevented Netanyahu from speaking when he was in Berkeley.
Here's his letter to the editor about the incident:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/18/ED182052.DTL

If you Google his name, you'll find it associated with a variety of published anti- Israel rants.

Hell, I certainly understand you not wanting him- but don't stick him with us.

Joey 's got a problem, not only with Israel, but with women....
Here's an Indybay exchange I had with him a while back, after I pointed out that institutionalized anti-Semitism in AMerican could be traced back, at least as far as General Grant: (note, please his focused, intelligent reply)

I DON'T KNOW, TW..., I THINK THAT TIA HUN-NEE IS A *KINKOID* (NOT ONLY A ZIONOID) TOO!!
by JA • Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 5:22 PM

BUT, TIA HUN-NEE IS STARTING TO TURN ME ON!!

SHE *LLLIKES* THOSE ASS WHIPPINGS!!

[ FFFFFFFT -- FFFT -- TSSSSHHH!! ]

OOOOoooo...!! THAT WORKS FOR *MEEE-EEE*!!

WHAT A ***HOT*** LITTLE ZIONIST TURN-ONNN....!!

(THE *CRRRAZY* GIRLS ARE ALWAYS THE BEST SADOMASOCHISM-LOVING **FREAKS**!!

HA-HA-HA...!!

OH, TIA HUN-NEEE...!!
by YO GERHIG COME GET'CHA ZIONOID BOYZ & GIRLZ!! • Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 5:46 PM


I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GET *SSSULLLKY* AND *SSSULLLTRY* TOO!!

WHEN YOU'VE FINALLY GIVEN IN AND I'VE EMO-TIONALLLY **BRRRRROKEN** YOU!!

HA-HA!!

A klown.- most likely one of yours as he was deliberately self destructing .
Don't care about his 'credentials' just as I don't particularly care about yours or anyone's here in electric land.
Move on, discuss issues.

"I know your playbook 'cause I've watched you trash other Indy sites or out right infiltrate some. "

OK, weasel, which IMCs have you watched *me* trash or infiltrate?

http://victoria.indymedia.org/
and NYC IMC really crushes commentary
or Palestine Indy
which gives me:
IMEMC News - International Middle East Media Center

This site is temporarily unavailable.
Please notify the System Administrator

when I try the links or directs to an Israeli site w/o certification.
how about that?
I like this site.
Oh, and all one has to do to dissect the methodology of 'your' attacks here to see a microcosm of your basket of tricks, Indy wide.

He *still* didn't try to deny that according to his definition, to promote apartheid and racist aggression is justice. Truly, the man has no shame.

I do know who trashed that IMC, however. And I applaud that person. It was long overdue. It had been a haven for gutter creatures even worse than your co-racists JA and 'toady'.

fair to liars too...
and racists that work for the forces of Genocide.
So tell me, you never answered my question.
All you have to say is:
'I don't receive compensation for my pro- zionist activities on this wire.'
then we can prosecute for liable & fraud or at least expose you.
We know no one pays you for your other 'activism'

nessie: "He *still* didn't try to deny that yammity yammity yammity"

* rolling eyes *

Oh, won't _somebody_ please pay some attention to nessie? He seems to need it very badly, even though it means he has to stoop to vapid word games.

@%<

Why can this man not bring himself to deny that he believes that to promote apartheid and racist aggression is justice? Enquiring minds want to know.

Grow up, nessie. A whole new world awaits you once you finally outgrow your emotional adolescence.

@%<

Any *decent* human being would be only to glad to deny a charge like that, but not gehrig, not any of our resident Zionists. Why not? Have they no shame?

>see what I mean?

This is begging the question. One cannot see what another means.

Any *decent* human being would be only too glad to claim nessie is making a valid point, but not nessie, nor any of our resident anti-Zionists. Why not? Have they no shame?

People who do stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.

People who say stuff like this can't be trusted to be telling the truth about anything.

They follow nessie around like love starved puppies.

Nessie followed ME here. I came here when a google search showed me that JA was publishing smear jobs about me on LA.IMC I came to defend myself, and hopefully, to educate readers in the process.

Then Tia and Autoblocked showed up. And Gehrig. And Critical Thinker. And Sefared. And Scapegoated Jew. And a few other folks who have all been reading the debates up at Indybay.org

Then NESSIE showed up. So its not a bunch of Zionists following Nessie around. Its quite the opposite.

P.S. looks like this will remain a fairly open forum for the near future anyway. Those calling to censor us and block our IP addresses have not prevailed.

Three cheers to LA Indymedia---who understand that it is the uncomfortable speech which needs to be protected.
Only Sheepdog and Bill Levinson have complained of censorship.

Even though she was not accused by name, Becky issued a personal denial. What does this mean? Did she post that?


Then there's her distorted timeline:

>Then NESSIE showed up

She's off by years. Consider, for example, this forgery:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=19864#32072

and the subsequent disclaimer:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=19864#32424

"Then Tia and Autoblocked showed up. And Gehrig. And Critical Thinker. And Sefared. And Scapegoated Jew. And a few other folks .."

Wow. This is indictive of the distortion/lies we get from Zionists.
i.e.: Autoblocked is Scapegoated Jew and 'Critical Thinker'
Sefared never 'showed up' here, his nym was used, that's all. That knocks it down to 2 rabid zealot-trolls for israel (gehrig and 'scapegoated') whereas to look at Becky's proclamation, there were many.
This is why you are not taken seriously.
There's my morning post--I will leave you kids alone to obsess, flame war and waste time. I have moved on.
Peace to all.

So are "Justice" and "very revealing" and "So very revealing" the same person?

You accuse me of lying for listing the names of people who HAD been posting on Indybay.org but came to the LA.IMC recently in response to both the censorship at Indybay.org and because JA was trashing me here.

Lots of people use more than one pseudonym---especially Nessie. So I am a "liar" for listing some of those names without revealing that they are the same person (as if I have some kind of psychic abilty to sort them out?)?

As far as Nessie posting something back in 2003, so what???

The accusation was that WE (the pro-Israel folks) FOLLOWED Nessie here. That is not the case. We didn't come here to refute some comment Nessie made in 2003!

And you call me a liar as you twist and distort the truth while hiding behind SEVERAL pseudonyms in a vain attempt to make it seem like a lot of people agee with you.

No it wasn't. The observation was made that every time nessie posts anything, the Zionist stalk squad is right behind him, often withing minutes:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#162332

Then note was taken of Becky's response and questions asked:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#162348

That's what *really* happened. See for yourself.

"So are "Justice" and "very revealing" and "So very revealing" the same person? "

Yep. Nessie is a manufacturer of sock puppets. It's another of those habits that keep him from having any credibility whatsoever. He's got a thousand faces, and each one of them is two-faced.

@%<

And an ad hominem, too. How predictable.

Yes, nessie, it's an international plot. I get a phone call from the NSA every time you make a post. Vast, vast resources are being expended on a global, nay, galactic scale just to monitor your IMC posts, because your neener-neener blatherings are oh so dangerous to civilization as we know it.

Get over yourself, nessie.

@%<

He follows nessie around like a love starved puppy. Perhaps it gives a sense of purpose to his otherwise meaningless life.

Incidentally, one of the characteristics of sock puppet personas is that they refer to _other_ personas of the same sock puppeteer in the third person. Kinda like nessie's sock puppet "another Zionist lie" when he said, above, "The observation was made that every time nessie posts anything..."

@%<

Now *that's* obsession, and with a literary character, at that. How sad and empty his life must be that to give it meaning he has to resort to chasing a literary character around the internet.

Personally, I get a RSS feed directly into my auditory implant to alert me whenever an anti-Zionist posts. The IT department of the Great Zionist Conspiracy schedules us regularly and we are electro-shocked if we don't respond within 11 minutes.

"Now *that's* obsession"

No, that's posting at the same time someone else does, only to have some shit-stirring troll somewhere claim that I responded to a post I didn't even see.

Duh.

And if knowing the difference between first person and third person strikes you as "literary," then it's hard not to assume that by "literary" you mean "writing with no pictures in it."

@%<

The slimeball troll "just us" aka 'toady' has realized his brute spam, porn and impersonation campaign has failed, so he now settles for for occasional forays into LA-IMC taking a few potshots against those not subscribing to his mad, mouth frothing racist ideals. "Rabid zealot-troll"? Sure is a person who edits an IMC and brutally suppressed dissenters only to pursue them to another IMC so as to have them booted from that IMC and seemed to be willing to chase them to other sites as well. Luckily, the editors here weren't willing to cave to his bullying thuggery.

פרק א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י יא יב יג יד טו טז יז יח יט כ כא כב כג כד כה כו כז כח כט ל לא לב לג לד לה לו
דברי הימים ב פרק א
א וַיִּתְחַזֵּק שְׁלֹמֹה בֶן-דָּוִיד, עַל-מַלְכוּתוֹ; וַיהוָה אֱלֹהָיו עִמּוֹ, וַיְגַדְּלֵהוּ לְמָעְלָה. ב וַיֹּאמֶר שְׁלֹמֹה לְכָל-יִשְׂרָאֵל לְשָׂרֵי הָאֲלָפִים וְהַמֵּאוֹת וְלַשֹּׁפְטִים, וּלְכֹל נָשִׂיא לְכָל-יִשְׂרָאֵל--רָאשֵׁי הָאָבוֹת. ג וַיֵּלְכוּ, שְׁלֹמֹה וְכָל-הַקָּהָל עִמּוֹ, לַבָּמָה, אֲשֶׁר בְּגִבְעוֹן: כִּי-שָׁם הָיָה, אֹהֶל מוֹעֵד הָאֱלֹהִים, אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה מֹשֶׁה עֶבֶד-יְהוָה, בַּמִּדְבָּר. ד אֲבָל, אֲרוֹן הָאֱלֹהִים הֶעֱלָה דָוִיד מִקִּרְיַת יְעָרִים, בַּהֵכִין לוֹ, דָּוִיד: כִּי נָטָה-לוֹ אֹהֶל, בִּירוּשָׁלִָם. ה וּמִזְבַּח הַנְּחֹשֶׁת, אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה בְּצַלְאֵל בֶּן-אוּרִי בֶן-חוּר--שָׁם, לִפְנֵי מִשְׁכַּן יְהוָה; וַיִּדְרְשֵׁהוּ שְׁלֹמֹה, וְהַקָּהָל. ו וַיַּעַל שְׁלֹמֹה שָׁם עַל-מִזְבַּח הַנְּחֹשֶׁת, לִפְנֵי יְהוָה, אֲשֶׁר, לְאֹהֶל מוֹעֵד; וַיַּעַל עָלָיו עֹלוֹת, אָלֶף. ז בַּלַּיְלָה הַהוּא, נִרְאָה אֱלֹהִים לִשְׁלֹמֹה; וַיֹּאמֶר לוֹ, שְׁאַל מָה אֶתֶּן-לָךְ. ח וַיֹּאמֶר שְׁלֹמֹה, לֵאלֹהִים, אַתָּה עָשִׂיתָ עִם-דָּוִיד אָבִי, חֶסֶד גָּדוֹל; וְהִמְלַכְתַּנִי, תַּחְתָּיו. ט עַתָּה, יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים--יֵאָמֵן דְּבָרְךָ, עִם דָּוִיד אָבִי: כִּי אַתָּה, הִמְלַכְתַּנִי, עַל-עַם, רַב כַּעֲפַר הָאָרֶץ. י עַתָּה, חָכְמָה וּמַדָּע תֶּן-לִי, וְאֵצְאָה לִפְנֵי הָעָם-הַזֶּה, וְאָבוֹאָה: כִּי-מִי יִשְׁפֹּט, אֶת-עַמְּךָ הַזֶּה הַגָּדוֹל. {ס} יא וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים לִשְׁלֹמֹה יַעַן אֲשֶׁר הָיְתָה זֹאת עִם-לְבָבֶךָ, וְלֹא-שָׁאַלְתָּ עֹשֶׁר נְכָסִים וְכָבוֹד וְאֵת נֶפֶשׁ שֹׂנְאֶיךָ, וְגַם-יָמִים רַבִּים, לֹא שָׁאָלְתָּ; וַתִּשְׁאַל-לְךָ, חָכְמָה וּמַדָּע, אֲשֶׁר תִּשְׁפּוֹט אֶת-עַמִּי, אֲשֶׁר הִמְלַכְתִּיךָ עָלָיו. יב הַחָכְמָה וְהַמַּדָּע, נָתוּן לָךְ; וְעֹשֶׁר וּנְכָסִים וְכָבוֹד, אֶתֶּן-לָךְ--אֲשֶׁר לֹא-הָיָה כֵן לַמְּלָכִים אֲשֶׁר לְפָנֶיךָ, וְאַחֲרֶיךָ לֹא יִהְיֶה-כֵּן. יג וַיָּבֹא שְׁלֹמֹה לַבָּמָה אֲשֶׁר-בְּגִבְעוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלִַם, מִלִּפְנֵי, אֹהֶל מוֹעֵד; וַיִּמְלֹךְ, עַל-יִשְׂרָאֵל. {פ}

יד וַיֶּאֱסֹף שְׁלֹמֹה, רֶכֶב וּפָרָשִׁים, וַיְהִי-לוֹ אֶלֶף וְאַרְבַּע-מֵאוֹת רֶכֶב, וּשְׁנֵים-עָשָׂר אֶלֶף פָּרָשִׁים; וַיַּנִּיחֵם בְּעָרֵי הָרֶכֶב, וְעִם-הַמֶּלֶךְ בִּירוּשָׁלִָם. טו וַיִּתֵּן הַמֶּלֶךְ אֶת-הַכֶּסֶף וְאֶת-הַזָּהָב, בִּירוּשָׁלִַם--כָּאֲבָנִים; וְאֵת הָאֲרָזִים, נָתַן כַּשִּׁקְמִים אֲשֶׁר-בַּשְּׁפֵלָה--לָרֹב. טז וּמוֹצָא הַסּוּסִים אֲשֶׁר לִשְׁלֹמֹה, מִמִּצְרָיִם; וּמִקְוֵא--סֹחֲרֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ, מִקְוֵא יִקְחוּ בִּמְחִיר. יז וַיַּעֲלוּ וַיּוֹצִיאוּ מִמִּצְרַיִם מֶרְכָּבָה, בְּשֵׁשׁ מֵאוֹת כֶּסֶף, וְסוּס, בַּחֲמִשִּׁים וּמֵאָה; וְכֵן לְכָל-מַלְכֵי הַחִתִּים, וּמַלְכֵי אֲרָם--בְּיָדָם יוֹצִיאוּ. יח וַיֹּאמֶר שְׁלֹמֹה, לִבְנוֹת בַּיִת לְשֵׁם יְהוָה, וּבַיִת, לְמַלְכוּתוֹ.

פרק א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י יא יב יג יד טו טז יז יח יט כ כא כב כג כד כה כו כז כח כט ל לא לב לג לד לה לו





תנ"ך | משנה | תוספתא | תלמוד ירושלמי | תלמוד בבלי | משנה תורה להרמב"ם


אודות


כל הזכויות בטקסטים הספרותיים כפי שהם מופיעים באתר "ספרות הקודש" הן של מכון ממרא.
החומר מופיע באתר סנונית על סמך רישיון מאת מכון ממרא ובאדיבותו הרבה.


החיפוש באתר זה הוא בשיתוף

כל הזכויות שמורות © 2003-2004, סנונית (ראה תנאי שימוש)










כעת ניתן להקליק
פעמיים על כל
מילה בגוף הטקסט
לקבלת ביאור
כעת ניתן להקליק
פעמיים על כל
מילה בגוף הטקסט
לקבלת תירגום
כעת ניתן לבצע
פעולת הדבקה
לטקסט אל תוך
יעד ההדבקה
כעת ניתן ללחוץ
על האות המציינת
את הפסוק עבורו
אתם רוצים לקבל
רשימת אזכורים
במאגרים אחרים
של ספרות הקודש


כעת ניתן ללחוץ
על האות המציינת
את הפסוק עבורו
אתם רוצים לקבל
פירוש


כעת ניתן ללחוץ
על האות המציינת
את הפסוק עבורו
אתם רוצים לקבל
מאמרים רלוונטיים
במאגר המידע


כעת ניתן ללחוץ על האות המציינת את הפסוק אותו אתם רוצים לשמוע מוקרא


ספר המדעספר אהבהספר זמניםספר נשיםספר קדושהספר הפלאהספר זרעיםספר עבודהספר קרבנותספר טהרהספר נזקיםספר קנייןספר משפטיםספר שופטיםהלכות יסודי התורההלכות דעותהלכות תלמוד תורההלכות עבודה זרה וחוקות הגוייםהלכות תשובההלכות קרית שמעהלכות תפילה וברכת כוהניםהלכות תפילין ומזוזה וספר תורההלכות ציציתהלכות ברכותהלכות מילהסדר התפילההלכות שבתהלכות עירוביןהלכות שביתת עשורהלכות שביתת יום טובהלכות חמץ ומצההלכות שופר וסוכה ולולבהלכות שקליםהלכות קידוש החודשהלכות תענייותהלכות מגילה וחנוכההלכות אישותהלכות גירושיןהלכות ייבום וחליצההלכות נערה בתולההלכות סוטההלכות איסורי ביאההלכות מאכלות אסורותהלכות שחיטההלכות שבועותהלכות נדריםהלכות נזירותהלכות ערכים וחרמיםהלכות כלאייםהלכות מתנות ענייםהלכות תרומותהלכות מעשרותהלכות מעשר שני ונטע רבעיהלכות ביכורים ושאר מתנות כהונה שבגבוליןהלכות שמיטה ויובלהלכות בית הבחירההלכות כלי המקדש והעובדים בוהלכות ביאת המקדשהלכות איסורי מזבחהלכות מעשה הקרבנותהלכות תמידין ומוספיןהלכות פסולי המוקדשיןהלכות עבודת יום הכיפוריםהלכות מעילההלכות קרבן פסחהלכות חגיגההלכות בכורותהלכות שגגותהלכות מחוסרי כפרההלכות תמורההלכות טומאת מתהלכות פרה אדומההלכות טומאת צרעתהלכות מטמאי משכב ומושבהלכות שאר אבות הטמאותהלכות טומאת אוכליןהלכות כליםהלכות מקוותהלכות נזקי ממוןהלכות גניבההלכות גזילה ואבידההלכות חובל ומזיקהלכות רוצח ושמירת נפשהלכות מכירההלכות זכייה ומתנההלכות שכניםהלכות שלוחין ושותפיןהלכות עבדיםהלכות שכירותהלכות שאלה ופיקדוןהלכות מלווה ולווההלכות טוען ונטעןהלכות נחלותהלכות סנהדרין והעונשין המסורין להםהלכות עדותהלכות ממריםהלכות אבלהלכות מלכים ומלחמותסדר זרעיםסדר מועדסדר נשיםסדר נזיקיןסדר קודשיםסדר טהרהברכותשבתעירוביןפסחיםראש השנהיומאסוכהביצהתעניתמגילהמועד קטןחגיגהיבמותכתובותנדריםנזירסוטהגיטיןקידושיןבבא קמאבבא מציעאבבא בתראסנהדריןמכותשבועותעבודה זרההוריותזבחיםמנחותחוליןבכורותערכיןתמורהכריתותמעילהתמידנידהסדר זרעיםסדר מועדסדר נשיםסדר נזיקיןסדר טהרהברכותפיאהדמאיכלאייםשביעיתתרומותמעשרותמעשר שניחלהעורלהביכוריםשבתעירוביןפסחיםיומאשקליםראש השנהסוכהביצהתעניתמגילהחגיגהמועד קטןיבמותכתובותנדריםנזירגיטיןקידושיןסוטהבבא קמאבבא מציעאבבא בתראשבועותמכותסנהדריןעבודה זרההוריותנידהסדר זרעיםסדר מועדסדר נשיםסדר נזיקיןסדר קודשיםסדר טהרהברכותפיאהדמאיכלאייםשביעיתתרומותמעשרותמעשר שניחלהעורלהביכוריםשבתעירוביןפסחיםשקליםיומאסוכהביצהראש השנהתעניתמגילהמועד קטןחגיגהיבמותכתובותנדריםנזירסוטהגיטיןקידושיןבבא קמאבבא מציעאבבא בתראסנהדריןמכותשבועותעדייותעבודה זרההוריותזבחיםמנחותחוליןבכורותערכיןתמורהכריתותמעילהכליםאוהלותנגעיםפרהטהרותמקואותנידהמכשיריןזביםטבול יוםידייםעוקציןסדר זרעיםסדר מועדסדר נשיםסדר נזיקיןסדר קודשיםסדר טהרהברכותפיאהדמאיכלאייםשביעיתתרומותמעשרותמעשר שניחלהעורלהביכוריםשבתעירוביןפסחיםשקליםיומאסוכהביצהראש השנהתעניתמגילהמועד קטןחגיגהיבמותכתובותנדריםנזירסוטהגיטיןקידושיןבבא קמאבבא מציעאבבא בתראסנהדריןמכותשבועותעדייותעבודה זרהאבותהוריותזבחיםמנחותחוליןבכורותערכיןתמורהכרתותמעילהתמידמידותקיניםכליםאוהלותנגעיםפרהטהרותמקוותנידהמכשיריןזביםטבול יוםידייםעוקציםתורהנביאיםכתוביםבראשיתשמותויקראבמדברדבריםנביאים ראשוניםנביאים אחרוניםתרי עשריהושועשופטיםשמואל אשמואל במלכים אמלכים בישעיהוירמיהויחזקאלהושעיואלעמוסעובדיהיונהמיכהנחוםחבקוקצפניהחגייזכריהמלאכידברי הימים אדברי הימים בתהיליםאיובמשלירותשיר השיריםקוהלתאיכהאסתרדנייאלעזראנחמיה