Departing from Chomsky's head-in-the-sand approach, Finkelstein deals with the obvious fact that the neocons instigated the war on Iraq. But he denies that they are ideologically committed to Israel, arguing instead that they "watch over the U.S. 'national' interest, which is the source of their power and privilege." Finkelstein essentially agrees with the neoconservatives regarding their identification with American national interests, but he gives that connection a negative spin. He bases his claim about the neocons' lack of any real ideological support for Israel on the fact that the original neocons of the late 1960s had not previously evinced any strong support for Israel. And he goes so far as to compare them to the Jewish police during the Holocaust who served their Nazi German masters. "As psychological types, these newly-minted Lovers of Zion most resemble the Jewish police in the Warsaw ghetto," Finkelstein asserts.

That is a gratuitous and outrageous calumny for which there would seem to be no real evidence. For all intents and purposes the neocons have expressed and demonstrated support for Israel. Douglas Feith, who pushed the neocon war propaganda as the third-highest figure in the Defense Department during George W. Bush's first administration, has been closely associated with the right-wing Zionist group, the Zionist Organization of America. His father, Dalck Feith, while living in Poland during the 1930s, was active in Betar, the youth organization of the right-wing Revisionist Zionist movement founded by Vladimir (Ze'ev) Jabotinsky.

In 1997, Douglas Feith and his father were the guests of honor at the 100th anniversary dinner of the Zionist Organization of America, in New York City, and both were given significant awards. [3] Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, was a co-founder of the neocon think tank Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri) along with Israeli-born Meyrav Wurmser, who is the wife of David Wurmser, an important figure in the neocon American Enterprise Institute and the Bush II administration. With the beginning of the Gulf War of 1991, Norman Podhoretz actually went to live with his daughter in her home in Jerusalem in order to show his solidarity with Israel, which Saddam had threatened with a missile attack, actually carrying out his threat to a limited extent. [4]

Neocons have been involved in institutions that promote the interests of Jews and Israel — especially Commentary magazine, which is funded by the American Jewish Committee, and the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs — demonstrating that Finkelstein's claim that neocons are lacking in their support of Israel is unknown to the pro-Israel financial backers of those entities.

Finkelstein's idea that neocons "watch over" American imperial interests makes one wonder why the many other establishment foreign-policy elements mentioned earlier in this essay were cool or opposed to the war on Iraq. Exactly who makes up the nebulous power elite that really determines the American imperial interest and to which the neocons report? If the neocons are responsible for watching over U.S. interests we may wonder why other parts of the neocon World War IV agenda for the Middle East — war on Iran and destabilization of Saudi Arabia — have not yet been adopted and why the neocons have often criticized actual U.S. foreign policy, especially during the Carter, Bush I, and Clinton administrations. What does this have to say for the actual foreign policy of those administrations? If the neocons "watch over" American imperial interests does that mean that those administrations did not pursue American imperial interests? But that would be impossible given Finkelstein's belief that the U.S. government always pursues those imperial interests. Finkelstein turns Occam's razor into a pretzel. A much simpler conclusion to draw is that the neocons' policy agenda differed from that of other dominant foreign-policy elites but that various factors, especially the trauma of 9/11, enabled their agenda to gain dominance, at least temporarily.

They don't have to openly. Most are eligible for "Israeli" citizenship and for those who are not now dual citizens they know in the back of their minds that the process is fast and simple.

Palestinians removed in 1947 with over a thousand years of history there are not allowed to return or become citizens. Don't you just love "Chutzpah"?

The chutzpa I've seen in the above comment:

(1) Parroting ignorant Big Oil financed propaganda claiming the Palestinians -- whose distinct national identity didn't even exist in 1947 -- had been indigenous in the land of Israel over a millennium, when in fact
* the first Arab presence of note in the land only materialized once the Muslims brutally occupied the land in the 630's, and were for centuries afterward a minority that forcibly Arabized and in many cases Islamicized indigenous inhabitants.
* Most Arabs now known as Palestinians only migrated into the land starting from the late 19th century, and are an eclectic bunch as far as origin country.
* Culturally and linguistically there's little difference between Gazan Arabs and Egyptians. The same holds for the differences between Judea-Samaria aka West Bank Palestinians and Jordanians.
* Most original 1948 "Palestinian" refugees don't even want to return. In fact the latest survey indicates than only some 10% wish to "return" to Israel proper. If you're going to talk about chutzpa you should have your facts in order beforehand.
*Virtually all Palestinians refuse to accept Israeli citizenship.

(2) The insistence on surrounding the first word in the phrase 'Israeli citizenship' with quotation marks as if the State of Israel is less than an actual entity. (Note: back in 1948 the Arabs of historical Israel didn't consider themselves nor were alluded to by anyone else as Palestinian.)

Plenty of chutzpa there. And that was a very short comment...

Again this meaningless phrase:
-Big Oil financed propaganda-
Exactly what interests? The Rockefeller owned Saudi government ?
Can we have some supporting references for this parroting phrase?

Come on 'goated Jew', give us some background on this :
"Big Oil financed propaganda.""
I want to know.

According to Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11 movie....the only planes allowed to fly after 9/11 were those carrying members of the Saudi royal family, and Ben Ladin's family.
The kind of money buys a lot of influence.

well sure and Moore wanted to have Gen. W. Clark aka the butcher of Waco as our president.
Still want to know why 'goated Jew' frequently uses this phrase
-Big Oil financed propaganda-

"Palestinians removed in 1947 with over a thousand years of history there are not allowed to return or become citizens. Don't you just love "Chutzpah"?"

BECKY: The vast majority of Arab Palestinians migrated to the land at the same time as the vast majority of Jewish immigrants---from 1880 to 1947. It's true, that in the 7th century, the Arab invaders did conquer Israel (which had been renamed "Palestine" by the Roman conquerors) and killed Jews, built their mosque on top of the Jews most holy site, and occupied the land for about 150 years or so until they were in turn conquered by the next group.

Since the Arab/Islamic control of the land was neither the first occupation, nor even the most long-lasting, its ridiculous to claim that these lands are "Palestinian Arab" lands.

The Ottoman Turks controlled the land far more recently and far longer!! It would make more sense to call the lands "Turkish" than "Palestinian".

The vast majority of Arabs fled on the advice of their own leaders. 62% left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

Israel repatriated 170,000 Arab refugees from the 1948 war between 1949 and 1993. These people filled out applications to return, went thru some kind of procedure where they showed documents proving they had fled Israel (such as a deed to a house, a birth certificate, or some other papers or evidence) and were checked to see that they weren't on a wanted terrorist watch list. These people were re-admitted to Israel and became Israeli citizens with full rights.

Scapegoated Jew is right that opinion polls show that only 10% of the current refugees (mostly decendants of the actual refugees) even WANT to return---and only 5% if Israel remains the controlling government.

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Regular Public Torah Readings
Each week in synagogue, we read (or, more accurately, chant, because it is sung) a passage from the Torah. This passage is referred to as a parashah. The first parashah, for example, is Parashat Bereishit, which covers from the beginning of Genesis to the story of Noah. There are 54 parashahs (parashiyot), one for each week of a leap year, so that in the course of a year, we read the entire Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy) in our services. During non-leap years, there are 50 weeks, so some of the shorter portions are doubled up. We reach the last portion of the Torah around a holiday called Simchat Torah (Rejoicing in the Law), which occurs in September or October, a few weeks after Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year). On Simchat Torah, we read the last portion of the Torah, and proceed immediately to the first paragraph of Genesis, showing that the Torah is a circle, and never ends.

In the synagogue service, the weekly parashah is followed by a passage from the prophets, which is referred to as a haftarah. Contrary to common misconception, "haftarah" does not mean "half-Torah". The word comes from a Hebrew root meaning end or conclusion. Usually, the haftarah portion is no longer than one chapter, and has some relation to the Torah portion of the week.

The Torah and haftarah readings are performed with great ceremony: the Torah is paraded around the room before it is brought to rest on the bimah (podium). The reading is divided up into portions, and various members of the congregation have the honor of reciting blessings over a portion of the reading and doing the reading. This honor is referred to as an "aliyah" (literally, ascension).

The first aliyah of any day's reading is customarily reserved for a kohein, the second for a Levite, and priority for subsequent aliyoth is given to people celebrating major life events, such as marriage or the birth of a child. In fact, a Bar Mitzvah was originally nothing more than the first aliyah of a boy who had reached the age to be permitted by custom such an honor (the Torah permits children to take an aliyah and to read, just like adults, and in Yemenite congregations most six-year-olds already can take an aliyah and read for themselves).

Celebrants of life events are customarily given the last aliyah, which includes blessings on the last part of the Torah reading as well as several blessings of the haftarah reading. The person given this honor is referred to as the "maftir", from the same root as haftarah, meaning the one who concludes.

For more information about services, see Jewish Liturgy.

Jewish scriptures are sometimes bound in a form that corresponds to this division into weekly readings. Scriptures bound in this way are generally referred to as a chumash. The word "chumash" comes from the Hebrew word meaning five, and refers to the five books of the Torah. Sometimes, the word chumash simply refers to a collection of the five books of the Torah. But often, a chumash contains the entire first five books, divided up by the weekly parashiyot, with the haftarah portion inserted after each week's parashah.



Table of Weekly Parashiyot
Below is a table of the regular weekly scriptural readings. Haftarot in parentheses indicate Sephardic ritual where it differs from Ashkenazic. There are other variations on the readings for Yemenites (and others), but these are the most commonly used ones. If you want to know the reading for this week, check the Current Calendar.

There are alternative and additional special readings for certain holidays and other special days, listed in a separate table below.

Parashah Torah Haftarah
Bereishit Genesis 1,1-6,8 Isaiah 42,5-43,10
(Isaiah 42,5-21)
Noach Genesis 6,9-11,32 Isaiah 54,1-55,5
(Isaiah 54,1-10)
Lekh Lekha Genesis 12,1-17,27 Isaiah 40,27-41,16
Vayeira Genesis 18,1-22,24 2 Kings 4,1-37
(2 Kings 4,1-23)
Chayei Sarah Genesis 23,1-25,18 1 Kings 1,1-31
Toldot Genesis 25,19-28,9 Malachi 1,1-2,7
Vayeitzei Genesis 28,10-32,3 Hosea 12,13-14,10
(Hosea 11,7-12,12)
Vayishlach Genesis 32,4-36,43 Hosea 11,7-12,12
(Obadiah 1,1-21)
Vayyeshev Genesis 37,1-40,23 Amos 2,6-3,8
Miqeitz Genesis 41,1-44,17 1 Kings 3,15-4,1
Vayigash Genesis 44,18-47,27 Ezekiel 37,15-28
Vayechi Genesis 47,28-50,26 1 Kings 2,1-12
Shemot Exodus 1,1-6,1 Isaiah 27,6-28,13; 29,22-23
(Jeremiah 1,1-2,3)
Va'eira Exodus 6,2-9,35 Ezekiel 28,25-29,21
Bo Exodus 10,1-13,16 Jeremiah 46,13-28
Beshalach Exodus 13,17-17,16 Judges 4,4-5,31
(Judges 5,1-31)
Yitro Exodus 18,1-20,23 Isaiah 6,1-7,6; 9,5-6
(Isaiah 6,1-13)
Mishpatim Exodus 21,1-24,18 Jeremiah 34,8-22; 33,25-26
Terumah Exodus 25,1-27,19 1 Kings 5,26-6,13
Tetzaveh Exodus 27,20-30,10 Ezekiel 43,10-27
Ki Tisa Exodus 30,11-34,35 1 Kings 18,1-39
(1 Kings 18,20-39)
Vayaqhel Exodus 35,1-38,20 1 Kings 7,40-50
(1 Kings 7,13-26)
Pequdei Exodus 38,21-40,38 1 Kings 7,51-8,21
(1 Kings 7,40-50)
Vayiqra Leviticus 1,1-5,26 Isaiah 43,21-44,23
Tzav Leviticus 6,1-8,36 Jeremiah 7,21-8,3; 9,22-23
Shemini Leviticus 9,1-11,47 2 Samuel 6,1-7,17
(2 Samuel 6,1-19)
Tazria Leviticus 12,1-13,59 2 Kings 4,42-5,19
Metzora Leviticus 14,1-15,33 2 Kings 7,3-20
Acharei Leviticus 16,1-18,30 Ezekiel 22,1-16
Qedoshim Leviticus 19,1-20,27 Amos 9,7-15
(Ezekiel 20,2-20)
Emor Leviticus 21,1-24,23 Ezekiel 44,15-31
Behar Leviticus 25,1-26,2 Jeremiah 32,6-27
Bechuqotai Leviticus 26,3-27,34 Jeremiah 16,19-17,14
Bamidbar Numbers 1,1-4,20 Hosea 2,1-22
Nasso Numbers 4,21-7,89 Judges 13,2-25
Beha'alotkha Numbers 8,1-12,16 Zechariah 2,14-4,7
Shelach Numbers 13,1-15,41 Joshua 2,1-24
Qorach Numbers 16,1-18,32 1 Samuel 11,14-12,22
Chuqat Numbers 19,1-22,1 Judges 11,1-33
Balaq Numbers 22,2-25,9 Micah 5,6-6,8
Pinchas Numbers 25,10-30,1 1 Kings 18,46-19,21
Mattot Numbers 30,2-32,42 Jeremiah 1,1-2,3
Masei Numbers 33,1-36,13 Jeremiah 2,4-28; 3,4
(Jeremiah 2,4-28; 4,1-2)
Devarim Deuteronomy 1,1-3,22 Isaiah 1,1-27
Va'etchanan Deuteronomy 3,23-7,11 Isaiah 40,1-26
Eiqev Deuteronomy 7,12-11,25 Isaiah 49,14-51,3
Re'eh Deuteronomy 11,26-16,17 Isaiah 54,11-55,5
Shoftim Deuteronomy 16,18-21,9 Isaiah 51,12-52,12
Ki Teitzei Deuteronomy 21,10-25,19 Isaiah 54,1-10
Ki Tavo Deuteronomy 26,1-29,8 Isaiah 60,1-22
Nitzavim Deuteronomy 29,9-30,20 Isaiah 61,10-63,9
Vayeilekh Deuteronomy 31,1-31,30 Hosea 14,2-10; Joel 2,15-27
(Hosea 14,2-10; Micah 7,18-20)
Ha'azinu Deuteronomy 32,1-32,52 2 Samuel 22,1-51
Vezot Haberakhah Deuteronomy 33,1-34,12 Joshua 1,1-18
(Joshua 1,1-9)


Table of Special Parashiyot
Below are additional readings for holidays and special sabbaths. Haftarot in parentheses indicate Sephardic ritual where it differs from Ashkenazic. Note that on holidays, the Maftir portion ordinarily comes from a different Torah scroll. The Maftir portion is usually the Torah portion that institutes the holiday or specifies the holiday's offerings.

Parashah Torah Haftarah
Rosh Hashanah, Day 1 Genesis 21,1-34
Numbers 29,1-6 1 Samuel 1,1-2,10
Rosh Hashanah, Day 2 Genesis 22,1-24
Numbers 29,1-6 Jeremiah 31,2-20
Shabbat Shuvah Hosea 14,2-10; Joel 2,15-27
(Hosea 14,2-10; Micah 7,18-20)
Yom Kippur, Morning Leviticus 16,1-34
Numbers 29,7-11 Isaiah 57,14-58,14
Yom Kippur, Afternoon Leviticus 18,1-30 Jonah 1,1-4,11; Micah 7,18-20
Sukkot, Day 1 Leviticus 22,26-23,44
Numbers 29,12-16 Zechariah 14,1-21
Sukkot, Day 2 Leviticus 22,26-23,44
Numbers 29,12-16 1 Kings 8,2-21
Sukkot, Intermediate Sabbath Exodus 33,12-34,26 Ezekiel 38,18-39,16
Shemini Atzeret Deuteronomy 14,22-16,17
Numbers 29,35-30,1 1 Kings 8,54-9,1
Simchat Torah Deuteronomy 33,1-34,12
Genesis 1,1-2,3
Numbers 29,35-30,1 Joshua 1,1-18
(Joshua 1,1-9)
Chanukkah, First Sabbath Zechariah 2,14-4,7
Chanukkah, Second Sabbath 1 Kings 7,40-50
Sheqalim Exodus 30,11-16 2 Kings 12,1-17
(2 Kings 11,17-12,17)
Zakhor Deuteronomy 25,17-19 1 Samuel 15,2-34
(1 Samuel 15,1-34)
Purim Exodus 17,8-16
Parah Numbers 19,1-22 Ezekiel 36,16-38
(Ezekiel 36,16-36)
Ha-Chodesh Exodus 12,1-20 Ezekiel 45,16-46,18
(Ezekiel 45,18-46,15)
Shabbat Ha-Gadol Malachi 3,4-24
Passover, Day 1 Exodus 12,21-51
Numbers 28,16-25 Joshua 5,2-6,1
(Joshua 5,2-6,1; 6,27)
Passover, Day 2 Leviticus 22,26-23,44
Numbers 28,16-25 2 Kings 23,1-9; 23,21-25
Passover, Intermediate Sabbath Exodus 33,12-34,26
Numbers 28,19-25 Ezekiel 37,1-14
Passover, Day 7 Exodus 13,17-15,26
Numbers 28,19-25 2 Samuel 22,1-51
Passover, Day 8 Deuteronomy 15,19-16,17
Numbers 28,19-25 Isaiah 10,32-12,6
Shavu'ot, Day 1 Exodus 19,1-20,23
Numbers 28,26-31 Ezekiel 1,1-28; 3,12
Shavu'ot, Day 2 Deuteronomy 15,19-16,17
Numbers 28,26-31 Habakkuk 3,1-19
(Habakkuk 2,20-3,19)
Tisha B'Av, Morning Deuteronomy 4,25-40 Jeremiah 8,13-9,23
Tisha B'Av, Afternoon Exodus 32,11-14, 34,1-10 Isaiah 55,6-56,8
(Hosea 14,2-10; Micah 7,18-20)
Minor Fasts, Morning Exodus 32,11-14, 34,1-10 Isaiah 55,6-56,8
(none)
Minor Fasts, Afternoon Exodus 32,11-14, 34,1-10
Rosh Chodesh (weekday) Numbers 28,1-15
Shabbat on Eve of Rosh Chodesh 1 Samuel 20,18-42
Shabbat Rosh Chodesh Numbers 28,9-15 Isaiah 66,1-24


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Well Tia the Saudi government, like most other client states do exactly what the centers of finance wants them to. The Saudi government is held up by the CIA security forces. To even blame this massive disinfo ( no creditable evidence of any 'arab' hijackers save for obviously salted and laughable 'evidence'.
Like the Bin Laden 'confession tapes' which were proven to be a total Sizzors and paste job.
Osma personally disavowed the attack. Read his confession here:
http://www2.jsonline.com:80/news/nat/sep01/binladen-denial.asp
-"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation," said the statement, broadcast by Qatar's Al-Jazeera satellite channel

Like the Bin Laden 'confession tapes' which were proven to be a total Sizzors and paste job.

Who? What ? Where? When? Why and how?
I haven't heard this. I had heard that Bin Laden dumped all his airline stock two weeks before the attack. Was Michael Moore wrong ?

Funny thing about Bin Laden. When the planes hit the World Trade Center, Bill Clinton was reported to have said "Bin Laden." Henry Kissinger also said "Bin Laden." George W. Bush said "bad pilot."

Bin Laden at first acknowledged his hand in the attack when he reported that he had calculated that the top floors would burn, but was delighted when the towers actually collapsed. (source: PBS documentary). Lately he has been even more forthcoming, for how can he bask in the glow as the superstar terrorist he is now considered?

Bin Laden was really the only one with the resources and ability to stage an attack like that. Al Qaeda's MO is to not claim credit for the attack---another clue.

Most of the damage done to the USA was done to us by the actions of our politicians in the few days and weeks after 9/11. Bush grounding the airlines meant a collapse of the airline industry. Lack of travel and fear damaged the restaurant industry and tourism.

The resulting recession hurt the USA worse than the damage to NY and Washington, DC on Sept. 11th.

Israel has learned that when an attack occurs, they should continue on with their lives and businesses as quickly as possible to minimize the damage done to their economy and to the health of its population.

America is still asking "why do they hate us?"
when the answer is not rational at all from a western perspective. They hate us because we are infidels.
They hate us because they have been taught from birth on to hate us by their leaders, Imams, and teachers.

They hate us because they are jealous of our success.

They hate us because they were taught to hate us. Education can unlearn the hatred. Individual fanatic Jew-haters can be deprogrammed in about four or five days of round the clock de-programming. Little else.

Bahaullah taught that peace will come when the children are raised to not hate others. Notice what the Iranians are doing to the Baha'is in Iran lately?

No? If you are upset about oppression, racism, and human rights abuses on a scale that dwarfs any Israeli treatment of Baha'is or members of any OTHER religion for that matter, then turn your eyes to Teheran.

BTW--if you ever meet an Arab or Palestinian who is filled with invectives towards Israel and/or Jewish people, ask him/her if they personally know any Jews? You will be surprised how many say no.

-Like the Bin Laden 'confession tapes' which were proven to be a total Sizzors and paste job.

Who? What ? Where? When? Why and how?
I haven't heard this. I had heard that Bin Laden dumped all his airline stock two weeks before the attack. Was Michael Moore wrong ?-

My reply....
Well where did you hear that? Any URLs?

Ms. BJ is so well informed...
-Bin Laden was really the only one with the resources and ability to stage an attack like that.-

I know... this guy allowed the NORAD standown and imploded the buildings.

What a guy.

A ONE HOUR scissors cut and paste job?

Sheepdog would have us believe at face value a statement made to the Western Press by Osama bin Laden instead of a ONE HOUR long video tape which appears to be a home movie that was left behind when members of Al Qaeda evacuated their location.

EXCERPTS FROM OSAMA BIN LADEN'S STATEMENTS IN DISCOVERED VIDEOTAPE

UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed
based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors.
I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the
fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.

Shaykh: Allah be praised.

UBL: We were at (...inaudible...) when the event took place. We had notification since the previous Thursday
that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was
5:30 p.m. our time. I was sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-((Khair)). Immediately, we heard the news that a
plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news
continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane
just hit the World Trade Center.

Shaykh: Allah be praised.

UBL: After a little while, they announced that another plane had hit the World Trade Center. The brothers
who heard the news were overjoyed by it.

Sheepdog says "pay no attention to that 6'5" man with the beard talking on videotape for the better part of an hour to his cohorts but instead believe as fact conflicting statements he made to the western press."

BECKY: When are people most honest? When they are issuing statements to the press? Or when they are having private conversations with their closest friends?

To see what Sheepdog calls a cut-n-paste hoax go to:
http://www.september11news.com/OsamaEvidence.htm

Here is where Osama Bin Laden called on all Muslims to kill Americans. That was in 1998, three years before Sept. 11th. Another hoax sheepish one?



The following is excerpted from the fatwa, or edict, of
February 1998, issued by the Osama bin Laden organization.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: "For more than seven years, the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the
holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors and turning its bases in the peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the
neighboring Muslim peoples.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people, using the peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

...These crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger and Muslims. And ulema [Muslim scholars] have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad [Holy War] is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries.

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling is to kill the Americans and their allies is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it, in order to liberate the Al Aqsa mosque [Jerusalem] and the Holy Mosque [Mecca]... This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God...

We call on every Muslim who believes in God and wished to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.

Al Qaeda was involved in the 1993 WTC bombing too!-n
o, it was more like al FBIduh
After all the FBI provided the explosives and recruitment to bring down the WTC. Something Ms. BJ seems un informed about.
type in :
FBI +WTC +1993.

Well there you have it folks.
What else do you need?
Ms. BJ who can't believe the NORAD stand down or the WTC demolition that only a parrot from the tattered MSM propaganda chorus would repeat.
And who doesn't believe primary sourced documents that any search would show about the FBI being busted by their own 'informant'.
Ms. BJ doesn't want you to use a search engine.
FBI +WTC +1993

I'm hardly Mainstream Media. Street Spirit is a homeless newspaper. Free Radio Santa Cruz is a pirate radio station. And Community Television is listener sponsored.

But your self-appointed task is to make wild accusations and worry about little details like facts, evidence, or the truth later on...much later. You can do a google search on ME and find out just how mainstream I am.

What does it matter if I don't buy into your conspiracy theories about how George W. Bush and the Project for a New American Century planned the 9/11 attacks. Please!!

That's just nuts. Can you imagine how many people would have to be quiet about such a plan? Bush can't even keep a secret over who leaked the name of Valerie Plame. And he's going to keep a secret about taking down the WTC, the Pentagon, and killing 3,000 Americans ---not to mention 19 Saudi nationals! And NO ONE will talk?

And why would he do this? So he could invade .....Afghanistan?????

And then pretend it was Iraq that bombed us?
If he was the one who planned 9/11 why didn't he recruit Iraqi suicide bombers instead of Saudis? Then he wouldn't need to claim WMD's to invade Iraq.

The reason he didn't recruit Iraqis is because...
HE DIDN'T DO IT! OSAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda
bombed us just like they did the USS Cole, and the twin embassies in Africa before that, and the WTC the first time in 1993.

Look, I have plenty of questions about 9/11. The first and biggest question is why didn't Bush protect us from the attack? Why didn't our trillions and our FBI, CIA, NSA, FAA, Army, Navy, Air Force, bureau of Immigration, or our police forces protect us that day? Why was the only protection scared airline passengers?

What did Condie Rice do in April 2001 with the Taliban in her negotiations for a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan? Did she really offer them a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs? Wouldn't that be provocation for an attack on the USA?

But imploding buildings? No way.

unbelievable babble.
Excuse me.
You're seriously expecting us to believe your spiel, right?
sigh...
This is so humiliating ... for you... again.
Let's dissect just a piece of your babble pie.
hmmm... this bit here...

wait for it
"
-The reason he didn't recruit Iraqis is because...
HE DIDN'T DO IT! OSAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda
bombed us just like they did the USS Cole, and the twin embassies in Africa before that, and the WTC the first time in 1993-"

So let's analyze this blurb with a few insertions...sigh.

-The reason he didn't recruit Iraqis is because...
HE DIDN'T DO IT! [ This is a nonsense statement unfounded by any reliable evidence, considering that Osoma was interviewed on sept 18 2001 in person, by a BBC correspondent where he denied the involvement in the attack, despite the sizzors and paste video fakes provided by the 'finding' thereof by special military units... I could go on but you have lost track of this conversation anyway...] OSAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda
bombed us just like they did the USS Cole [ Yes, the Cole which involved explosives only Israel and America uses 90 minutes after it was parked there while the way was cleared for these 'terrorists..] , and the twin embassies in Africa before that, and the WTC the first [ Okay, that does it. I need to show you something...pay attention here
Check this out
-The FBI allowed the 1993
WTC bombing to happen

THE NEW YORK TIMES

* * * * *

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of
hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his
talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as
being in a far better position than previously known to foil
the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people
injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars.
Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court
[on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used
by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle
of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases:
the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy
the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other
New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the
second bombing case, but his work for the Government was
erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast,
he was feuding with th F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an
undated transcript of a conversation from that period,
Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent
about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said,

"came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel,"

Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't
push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with
a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was
involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to
complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the
Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by
an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would
like the things out of the New York Office to go to
Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute
Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to
get their butts chewed." ] time in 1993.

[ any questions]

Sheepdog, you have only provided PROOF that Al Qaeda was responsible for the first WTC bombing---FBI incompetance notwithstanding.

With an undercover in place, the FBI was in a great position to get real evidence on who was involved and how they were funded, etc. Its a shame they couldn't figure out how to stop the attack, but there is NO INDICATION that they planned the attack--which was your previous assertion.

Look, I'm no expert on 9/11. I haven't plunged into govt. transcripts or witness testimonies. A person could spend a lifetime reading/writing about 9/11. I HAVE read the Popular Mechanics refutations of the myriad of conspiracy theories that have sprung up. I found their explanation debunking the "imploding buildings" to be persuasive.

I've decried Bush's Patriot Act which wouldn't have prevented 9/11. Cockpit door locks would have.

So your point of view is it couldn't have been Bin Laden who planned the attacks on the WTC because you are sure it was really George W. Bush?

Where is YOUR evidence? Because to me, it sounds like you are giving Arab terrorists a free pass again.

what?
-FBI incompetance notwithstanding-
obviously you didn't understand.
The FBI supplied the explosives. They provided the 'informer' that was hired to recruit the fall guys and plan the operation.
Are you impaired?

Read the article again. The FBI did NOT supply the explosives. The undercover suggested substituting the explosives with a harmless powder, but that was not done.

Its upsetting that they couldn't prevent the attack despite having an undercover infiltrated into the group. But at least he was very helpful in achieving the convictions and putting those terrorists behind bars for a very long time.

MY POINT was the article CONFIRMS that Al Qaeda was involved in the first attack on the WTC.

A point you want to discard because your pet theory is that George W. Bush planned the attacks----a thesis for which there is NO evidence---nor have you presented any.

I can't stand George W. Bush, BTW. I think he's the worst US president ever. But accusing him of planning the WTC attacks in 2001 is not supported by any evidence and is entirely illogical as well.

I mean, if Bush had WANTED to attack Iraq (and we know that he did) then why didn't he install Iraqi suicide bombers on those planes? then he could have attacked Iraq , gotten lots of allies to do it, and wouldn't have had to resort to the WMD scam.

Is this the first cross indymedia spam attack? Is an indybay editor spamming here out of frustration that Jews are allowed to express their opinions here?

If we see repeated spamming, it means that I've figured it out.

I think it will help the LA.IMC monitors if we sychronize our displear at the Bible Spammers who are mis-using Indymedia, wasting bandwidth, impeding dialogue, and wasting IMC volunteers time.

PRESS THE OFF-TOPIC BUTTON FOR BIBLE SPAMMERS PLEASE!!

Ms. BJ Cruz"- The FBI did NOT supply the explosives.-"
Yes, you are impaired.

-The ONLY part that was NOT run by FBI was the actual parking of the truck ... which the two borderline retarded Arab patsys screwed up. (As you might recall, they parked too far from the pillars.)

EVERY OTHER ASPECT of the 1993 WTC bombing = planning, recruitment, organizing, safe house, procurement, bomb-making instructions, actual bomb-making, etc. --- was all directed by the FBI in this deadly "STING". Orders to use LIVE bombs came from the FBI handlers. FBI rejected suggestions by the infiltrator-informant to substitute FAKE explosives. FBI knew where and when the truck bomb was going to be planted.

Emad Ali Salem (Egyptian Intell agt) wore a wire and transcribed all meetings for his FBI handlers.
He also taped FBI supervisors admitting they insisted on a live bomb over his objections, and asking him to not tell Washington.

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':
"Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."-
http://www.takeoverworld.info/#1993-Schoenman

You diss my (several different ) sources and then post this totally off-the-wall conspiracy-driven website as your "proof?" I mean MICHAEL MOORE teaming up with RICHARD PERLE???? you have GOT to be kidding!!!

Well, Sheepdog, you will continue to believe what you believe despite facts, evidence, history, or logic.

Ralph Schoenman is really out there on a limb with this accusation. Where is HIS evidence? I don't see any.

You still haven't answered my question. If Bush PLANNED 9/11 as you say, why didn't he recruit Iraqis to commit suicide instead of Saudis? Then he could have invaded Iraq with the world's approval and wouldn't have to resort to the WMD's cannard. Why didn't he do this very logical step in order to forward his plan?

You still have not even offered a suggestion as a possible reason. I know you don't really KNOW anything. But can you speculate?

yer boz messing w/ my posts again?
cute.
I'm scared.
Anyway Ms. BJ 'de Cruz. your 'sources' cannot begin to compare to internationally recognized figures such as Ralph Schoenman.
Maybe we should compare bibliographies from our sources.
Yours would most likely be 'Mossad assets' and other contacts with the zionist PR concern.

SHEEPDOG thinks that a website called "take over world.com" is credible -----here are a few choice items from this source:

ABOUT THE 1993 WTC ATTACK: "the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the driver, recruited some 'retarded' Muslim patsys to carry it out, etc."

ABOUT THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING:
DESTRUCTION IN OKLAHOMA CITY 7-30-1995
Benton K. Partin, Brig General (ret) 31-year veteran USAF, commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Lab:
"OK City was inside job".

ABOUT 9/11: PORTER GOSS THE NEW CIA HEAD LINKED TO FUNDING 911 TERROR ATTACKS
(see below: Porter Goss exonerates himself )
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/...04/08/76366.php


CLAIMS OF MARTIAL LAW IN FLORIDA: "Odd coincidence #535: A Governor named Bush - also of Florida - quietly ordered martial law a few days before Sept 11."

ON PRESIDENT CLINTON: "From Newsmax: WASHINGTON -- While President Clinton was trying to broker an elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians, the FBI was secretly funneling money to suspected Hamas figures, run out of the FBI's Phoenix office in cooperation with Israeli intelligence and approved by Attorney General Janet Reno."

ON THE FBI AND AL QAEDA: Our 'shadow govt' founded Al-Qaida in 1978. We worked with them in 96-99, long after the Cold War. We worked with them in 2001 in Europe. The President's attorney is defending them (blocking access to vital information about connections) in 2002.
We send FBI after them, then we prevent dedicated FBI agents from actually acting on the evidence and money trails. et cetera.

ON ARAB INVOLVEMENT IN 9/11: "THERE WEREN'T 19 ARABS: "Even with this partial presentation of buried truths, there is far too much evidence for mere "incompetence", sufficient evidence to call it COMPLICITY and CONSPIRACY. The official Osama-and-Nineteen-Young-Arabs (ONYA) conspiracy tale is farcical and impossible."

AND FINALLY THIS ASTOUNDING PIECE:

"Evidence of the false left-right divide is the fact that I've been BANNED from posting comments on the Democratic Underground website, and BANNED on it's far-right alter-ego, Free Republic. And I didn't even cuss or call names! I guess facts are inflammatory, when they attack myths."

BECKY: Imagine the author of this informative site has had his postings banned by right-wingers AND left-wingers?
I mean does EVERYONE think he's crazy? Well, not Sheepdog anyway.

well Ms. BJ sure knows the official conspiracy theory.
Like the '19 savage arabs' who were never on any passenger list.

It's difficult to understand how this individual believes that she has any credible standing here or that she thinks there's a snowflake's chance in hell anyone believes her.
Next thing she'll tell us is that a passport could survive a jet crash, fire ball and demolition debris field.
Did I mention that we now have evidence of cutting charges?

Like your successor, 'Hex', you will be proven to be filled with sh*t.
You can help.
Just keep posting your 'material'.
like the
"4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran" fraud thread where you're trying to weasel out with a few vaguely in theme URLs which lead to nothing.

Do you enjoy humiliation? I'm curious.

"Next thing she'll tell us is that a passport could survive a jet crash, fire ball and demolition debris field. "

You and 'nessie' are equally strategically cretinous. The fireball that killed Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon didn't consume his entire diary nor one of the Jewish ritual articles he had brought on board the shuttle. You've got some self-examination to perform unless you enjoy humiliation yourself.

Amazing! Tell us more!
And this relates to the WTC because? Did this space ship disintegrate?
Crash into a building?
Please tell me more.

That's how. That's why.

What SHEEPDOG can't stand is that 9/11 woke up America to the actual threat that fanatic Islamic terrorism presents, not only to the Israelis, but to any nation that is not Muslim.

That is why there are convoluted attempts to blame George W. Bush or the FBI, or the CIA, or the Israeli govt. for the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.

SHEEPDOG would rather have readers believe some obscure, conspiracy-oriented website where the authors are unknown, than hundreds if not thousands of reports in mainstream media, from the 9/11 Commission, from the FBI, and from the lawsuit brought by the 9/11 survivors of victims, not to mention reports from the cellphones of frightened passengers on the planes.

I have plenty of questions myself about 9/11. Why didn't Bush and company have any better intelligence about this?
Why did Bush FIRE the number-one US intelligence agent who was hot on the trail of Osama Bin Laden in the spring of 2001?

Why didn't our security agencies protect us from this attack?

Did the Bush admin. instruct the FBI to "lay off the Saudis?"

Did Condie Rice meet with the Taliban in the spring of 2001 and offer them "a carpet of gold" or "a carpet of bombs?"

Why was the wreckage carted off so soon rather than allow investigators to gather forensic evidence?

What I DON"T wonder, is whether there are fanatical Islamic groups who are actively planning terror attacks against Americans and Israelis. There is ample evidence such groups exist, and their enmity towards Americans is legendary.

Aside from the fact that you're regurgitating the standard very limited hangout about 9-11 which is 'incompetence' and nothing else, we already pretty know your blow line.
And Finkelstein, like Chomsky has sold out to his special interests.
Kinda like you, Ms. BJ.