Jeffrey Blankfort is a US journalist and producer of radio programs on KPOO in San Francisco and KZYX in Mendocino, in Northern California, and was formerly at KPFT/Pacifica in Houston, until they purged the political programming to better lull their listeners to sleep with music. Engaged in the political fight in favor of the Palestinians and for the creation of one binational state in Palestine since the 70s, he has become one of the favorite targets of US Zionists while also attracting the animosity of a part of the US left grouped around Noam Chomsky, who reproaches Blankfort for his "lobby obsession". He was editor of the Middle East Labor Bulletin and co-founder of the Labor Committee of the Middle East. Also, he was a founding member of the November 29 Coalition on Palestine.

Silvia Cattori: Washington and Tel-Aviv are intensifying their threats against Iran. In your opinion, does Israel have a precise national interest in weakening, or destroying, numerous Arab neighbors and to what degree does it succeed in orienting US policy towards new aggression in the Middle East?

Jeffrey Blankfort: My position is, and I have written an article about it, that the war in Iraq was not a war for oil, but was a war conceived by the neo-cons and the pro-Israeli lobby in the United States to benefit Israel, and to elevate Israel to a very important position in the Middle East, as a part of a plan to achieve overall US global control. This is what was called for in the document of the "Project for a New American Century” or PNAC. And even though a number of prominent people, politicians as well as military people, have said that this was a war for Israel, the anti-war movement will not consider that at all.

And right at this moment, the only segment of the American society that is pushing the US administration to confront Iran, happens to be the Jewish establishment or the lobby, whose main focus for months – groups like AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, but also other Jewish organizations-- has been to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

The left and the anti-war movement are so focused on blaming everything on US imperialism on one hand, and avoiding the provoking of what they fear will be "anti-Semitism" on the other, that they have gone further from putting any blame on Israel than have elements of the mainstream. And so, having paid no price for pushing the US into the war in Iraq – and not only this war, but the first Gulf war – they are preparing to do the same with Iran. There is no lobby like it.

S.C.: In other words, the US has become a satellite of Israel and acts in function with Israel's interests? Is this thesis not the opposite of that of Chomsky and of the left in general, for whom it is the US that uses Israel? That there is a convergence of interests between the US and Israel, and that Israel is simply the US's cop on the ground in exchange for services rendered by the US in the Middle East?

Jeffrey Blankfort: Yes, Chomsky tends to simplify US politics, blaming everything on the elites and whoever is in the White House while avoiding the role of Congress. Today, eleven members of the Senate are Jewish, that is 11% of the 100 members while only 2% of the American population is Jewish. He and his supporters, either directly or indirectly, raise the spectre of anti-Semitism, of provoking anti-Semitism, and what happens is that people keep their mouth shut. Now, Chomsky, who was a Zionist when he was younger--he lived in Israel, he has friends in Israel, was considering moving to Israel-- admitted in 1974 that this might influence his perspective – and he wanted his readers to know that. He wrote this in 1974 and yet few people who read Chomsky today know that. They do not know that he was Zionist, that he considered living in Israel.

In fact, for years he did not speak about Israel while he was speaking out about the US in Central America and Vietnam. It was a mutual friend of ours, Dr. Israel Shahak, who convinced Chomsky that he should speak up against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. It is interesting that the most important book that Chomsky wrote about the Israeli-Palestinian issue, The Fateful Triangle, begins actually with a defence of Israel, a defence in the sense that while acknowledging all the Israeli crimes against the Palestinians, he blames the US for allowing it to happen. Now, this defence, I would say, could be used by Pinochet in Chile or any dictator the US has supported around the world, to take the primary responsibility from them and place it on the US. And I don’t buy this. And most people who understand the situation, don’t buy it either when they come to look at it. A number of friends of mine, who are friends of Chomsky, have come to agree with me. The problem is, I would say, as fellow academics, that they don't feel comfortable criticizing Chomsky, particularly since he is often attacked by the right wing.

He has defended many people who have been under attack and has thus gained their loyalty. He also has been a mentor to a number of academics, and ironically, Chomsky has been the doorway for so many people to become involved in politics. They read Chomsky, and they become excited about political work. And it is only later, if they are fortunate, that they discover that Chomsky not only opens the door, he closes it as well!

S.C.: Which would mean that Chomsky gives less importance to the pro-Israeli lobby than it has? Has Chomsky upheld unjust options for the Palestinians in order to preserve Israel, for which he has an emotional attachment? Is this a unique case or has Chomsky defended the indefensible?

Jeffrey Blankfort: For the most part. On most other subjects, he is more open. On this particular one, he won’t even debate the issue. In 1991 we had an exchange that was published in a left newspaper in New York, the National Guardian, and a friend there wanted to set up a debate between Chomsky and myself on the issue of the Israel lobby at the Socialist Scholars Conference. Chomsky refused, writing "that it would not be useful." After his refusal, I asked a professor in California, Joel Beinin, whom I know, and who takes Chomsky’s position, if he would debate me. His response was identical: "it would not be useful!"

S.C.: On Iran, which today is caught in a vise, is Chomsky, in your opinion, also minimizing the role of the lobby acting in favor of Israel in the United States?

Jeffrey Blankfort: Regarding Iran, Chomsky and the others seem to be ignoring the campaign that the lobby is waging to get us into another war, one that will be far more catastrophic than the disaster that has taken place in Iraq. There is a coalition of the 12 leading Jewish women's organizations, representing a million Jewish women, calling itself "One Voice for Israel," that formed in 2002 in response to the bad publicity Israel received over the destruction of Jenin. Each year, in what it calls "Take-5," it gets it gets it members to call the White House at the same time and then on another day, to do the same to Congress. Each time they have done it, they have tied up the Capitol switchboard. It is one of the ways in which they show their power.

This coming February 22nd, they will be phoning President Bush to express their opinion on what he should do about Iran, and its development of nuclear energy or weapons. This a kind of operation that goes on all the time, but it is not even an issue or even known about by the anti-war movement, or by the left, and Professor Chomsky has written to me and others that he is not interested in the issue.

When two years ago, the same person who invited him to have a debate with me in 1991, asked Chomsky again if he would do it, he refused, dismissing my "preoccupation" with the lobby. He also writes that he refuses to read the article that I wrote about him. This is hardly the response of an intellectual. I find it interesting that he is willing to debate Alan Dershowitz, because that is fairly easy, but he won't debate someone on the left or at least on this issue. And that is where the debate should take place.

S.C.: Do you think that other countries have their equivalent of AIPAC?

Jeffrey Blankfort: AIPAC is very unusual because while it is a registered lobby for Israel, it does not have to register as a foreign lobby. And that gives it a unique situation in the country. In every hearing in the Congress that involves Middle East issues, you have staff members of AIPAC sitting in these committee hearings. No other lobbies, foreign lobbies, have this privilege. And they also write the legislation that Congress passes regarding the Middle East. For example, the recent Syrian Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, which was passed a couple of years ago and which lead to what we see in Lebanon and Syria today was written by AIPAC which later bragged about it. It is not a secret. The only people that pretend they don't know it is the Left. It's on AIPAC's website, it is in their publications. AIPAC also provides interns - young, bright Jewish college students to work in the offices of members of Congress. They go to a member of Congress and say: "We have this young person who is interested in working on Capitol Hill, they will come one year and they will work in your office." No member of Congress is about to refuse a volunteer.

Also AIPAC has a special foundation that provides free trips for members of Congress to Israel. Last year over a hundred members of Congress went to Israel, on a free trip, paid for by this foundation. Now there is a big debate about such trips in Congress paid for by various lobbies, but I do not believe that anything is going to happen there that would negatively affect AIPAC. Congress will make an exception when it comes to Israel. What is interesting is we have a country to the South of us called Mexico. Mexico is far more important to the United States, to our economy, and also there are many more people of Mexican-American extraction than Jews.

There are thousands of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans who work here and are responsible for growing and picking the farm produce in the United States. And yet we don’t have Congressional delegations going to Mexico, we don’t have Congress talking about the importance of Mexico. If they go to Mexico, they go for a vacation, and yet here the focus is on Israel simply because of two things: money and intimidation. The Democratic Party has for years relied on wealthy Jewish donors for the majority of its contributions. AIPAC itself does not give money. AIPAC coordinates where the money should go, so if you are a wealthy Jewish donor and you want to do something to help Israel’s cause, AIPAC will let you know where to give it. Also, around the country, there are now about three dozen political action committees or PACs that exist only to give money to candidates who support Israel. None of them are identified by a name that has anything to do with Israel; so here in California we have something called the Northern Californians for Good Government”. You have in St.Louis, Missouri, the St. Louisans for Good Government. The biggest one is called the National PAC, NPAC. Then you have the Hudson Valley Political Action committee, Desert Caucus, et cetera.

If you look at the name of these committees, you have no idea what they are for, whereas the other lobbies identify themselves by their special interest. Why not Jewish supporters of Israel? But even more important for Democrats, and for some Republicans, is the money contributed by individual Jews. For example, in 2002, an Egyptian-born Israeli, named Haim Saban, who came to the United States and made billions of dollars with a Saturday morning children's program, gave $12.3 million dollars to the Democratic party, which was only about a million and a half dollars less than the arm manufacturers political action committees gave to the both political parties.

Now, this is just one man. And also Haim Saban, who founded the Saban Institute at the Brookings Institute which deals with Israeli issues,is also a big supporter AIPAC, and he funds events in Washington where AIPAC trains college students for pro-Israel advocacy. University campuses are a main battleground for the Jewish forces lobbying for Israel they have come together as the Israel Campus Coalition, 28 organizations, including AIPAC with Israel at the top of their agenda.

Today, a main lobby focus is to get to the colleges campuses to stop divestment programs directed towards Israel. They also are trying to influence the next generation of community leaders who are in the universities at the moment to act in Israel's behalf.

S.C.: To help the Palestinians get justice, those who support them -- or who at least pretend to -- must speak the truth. However, it seems as if, even in their own camp, this truth is suffocated. Do you think that in the US, as in Europe, this solidarity has failed because it is led by people who are there to put breaks on any criticism of Israel? Do you think Chomsky's influence is exercised in this way?

Jeffrey Blankfort: The pro-Palestinian movement has been totally ineffectual here for a couple of reasons. One is they refuse to recognize the role the lobby plays. That‘s like going out to play a football game, but you don’t go to the stadium, you go a shopping mall instead. If you are not on the field where the game is played you are not going to win.

So here is the most powerful lobby in the United States, which the Palestinian solidarity movement has ignored with the exception of an occasional picket of AIPAC. One of the reasons is it has been influenced by certain ideological Marxist groups that are still living in another day and age where lobbies did not play a part. I have been told by political activists that to talk about the lobby is not Marxist, or talk about the lobby is not socialist. And my response is that it exists, it’s real, and that is what's important. Also, there are many self-styled Jewish anti-Zionists in the leadership positions in the movement who claim that to blame the lobby is to provoke anti-Semitism. In this, they are what I call, "Jewish exceptionalists" who bar any criticism from acts that Jews do collectively, such as lobbying for Israel which makes them, in practice, scarcely distinguishable from Zionists.
And what happens is I hear all of these people dismissing the lobby and quoting Chomsky verbatim without even mentioning his name.

His influence on them is so critical, so powerful, that they internalize Chomsky. And so what happens is you have a movement that refuses to recognize the major opponent of the Palestinians on American soil.

Chomsky came out against divestment at MIT, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he teaches, and where he was able to water down a divestment resolution. Then he came out two weeks later and attacked the whole divestment issue. He is against sanctions against Israel, he is against divestment, he has not revealed any kind of agenda that would change things other than having people “write letters to the editor”.

He never mentions Congress, he never mentions the Appropriation committees. If he mentions aid to Congress, he won’t say you have to stop it. He will mention it like it a fact of life, like it’s raining or it’s sunny. I wrote to him about this and he was not very friendly when he wrote back.

In 1988-95 I published a magazine called the Middle East Labor Bulletin which Chomsky subscribed to. In the magazine I had a special section on the Israel lobby and Congress, in which I revealed the names of the Congress people who were in bed with the lobby and I published the sources, most of which came from the Jewish press. So anyone reading the magazine would have had ample proof about control by the lobby of Congress. I recently reread some of the issues published twelve years ago, and they could have been written today, so he can't play ignorant. I just believe his early Zionist leanings and his fears for the future of Jews is so great that it's like he's a child refusing to face the truth. It is unfortunate.

Chomsky is what we call here in this country, a gatekeeper. He is also a gatekeeper on another critical subject, the events of 9/11, dismissing the many questions that have been raised about the official narrative of the Bush administration on the attack on the World Trade Centre. Chomsky says there is no basis to question Mr. Bush's 9/11 story. So most of the criticism that he is getting is from people who have been doing research on 9/11, while he continues to say the story that the Bush administration has told is the truth. So the role he pushes today on the international stage is, as far as I am concerned, a reactionary one.

He says a lot of very positive things much of which I agree with, and again, I know many people who say they were introduced to the political world by Chomsky. He has clearly turned people on. But today, it may be a dialectical situation, now he turns people off, or in the wrong direction.

S.C.: Is your thesis on Chomsky, that he ignores the influence of AIPAC and other similar institutions in US wars in the Middle East, and has a negative impact on solidarity movements, shared by many other intellectuals?

Jeffrey Blankfort: I am in a minority, but I do have an extensive mailing list, I do have a radio program, actually I have two radio programs, and one radio program happens to be in an area which is not Israeli occupied territory and where I can talk about the lobby, I can talk about Israel the way I am talking about it now. The Zionists tried to get me off the air but they were not effective.

One of the ways they intimidate people is through the various Jewish organizations. Each has taken on a different role to play. One important one is the Anti-Defamation League, whose main job is to defame, intimidate and spy on people who are critical of Israel. I was one of them who was spied on.

Its agent infiltrated our organization, the Labor Committee on the Middle East of which I was the co-founder in 1987. Then we learned that they were spying on hundreds of organizations across the political spectrum and thousands of individuals, twelve thousand individuals, six hundred organizations.

I was able to get my ADL files to find out that they had spied on me illegally, and I sued them.

I went out to court with two other activists and after ten years they agreed to settle without me having to sign a confidentiality agreement. So I always talk about this organization.

The person who spied on me for the ADL, was also working for South African intelligence. We had a big anti-apartheid movement in this country. Basically, Israel, the Israel lobby and South Africa were on the same page, very close allies. They were allies socially, culturally and militarily. This is something that unfortunately the anti-apartheid movement also refused to deal with because of Zionist pressure.

I would say the problem with building a real political movement in the United States is blocked by Zionists and their refusal, like Chomsky, to openly deal with Zionism and its role in this country.

Back in 1988, when in the early months of the first Intifada, the anti-intervention movement refused to support a demand that Israel end its occupation of Palestinian land, a Native American a leader told me that the problem with the American movement was that there are too many Liberal Zionists in it. And this is the truth.

I never use his name, because if I publish it, he will then be attacked as being anti-Semitic.
I have been attacked as a self-hating Jew, as an anti-Semite, but it does not matter to me because I consider the accusation of anti-Semitism to be the first refuge of scoundrels. Patriotism is the last refuge, anti-Semitism is the first. In this country it has been used to silence so many people. And this is one of the reasons I am against specifically Jewish organizations wanting to lead the fight for Palestine. What happens is that there are many anti-Zionist Jews, or who claim to be anti-Zionist, who say "we, as anti-Zionists Jews, should provide the leadership so that other people will see that not all the Jews are for Israel”.

And I am totally against that because all Americans pay their taxes and thus support Israel. And this is an American issue. And by putting it out that Jews are the leaders, that Jews, anti Zionists Jews are doing this, what it says to non-Jews is: they can do this because they are Jewish. It has been tried, so far it has been a failure.

So when I speak, I speak not as a Jew, but as a human being. That's why when I first went to the Middle East in 1970, to Lebanon and Jordan, I did not tell people I was Jewish. I did not go there as a Jew, I went there as a journalist.

It was not important to be South African to oppose apartheid, it was not necessary to be a Nicaraguan to oppose the Contras, or to be a Vietnamese to oppose the Vietnam war. What does being Jewish have to do with opposing what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. In fact, Jews should be very careful about the leadership role. It is not the place for Jews, for people who identify as Jews. The irony is that the people who are most quoted, who speak most on this issue in the US are all Jews who are ultimately protective of Israel.

Chomsky, of course, is the most important one. They criticize Israel, you see, because that's important, you have to do that, but they deflect the main responsibility on to the US and thus while not absolving Israel, shield it from punishment such as sanctions, boycotts and divestment.

S.C.: You just said that you were accused of anti-Semitism. Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, for example, was recently accused by the French dailies "Liberation" and "Le Monde" of having uttered "anti-Semitic" remarks. Do you not think that this accusation has become more difficult to exploit in the face of a pubic opinion that has discovered that it has been manipulated for political ends?

Jeffrey Blankfort: Well, they see it, but they are afraid to speak of it. Because the price for criticizing Jews, as Jews, is big in the US. But also, as you see, in France, in Germany, in Canada, and so on, Austria. You can criticize any other national group, but to criticize Jews collectively, not Jews as Jews, but the Jewish establishment is to jeopardize your career.

So even if, privately, people say one thing, they won't say it publicly. I occasional help to get progressive Palestinians and Israelis interview ed by the media in the San Francisco area. It used to be more open, I would say, on mainstream radio than it is today. Back in 1984, I was able to place an Israeli soldier, a reservist, who refused to serve in Lebanon, on the biggest radio talk show in San Francisco. He told the truth about the Lebanon war, that the Palestinians were not shelling Lebanon, and in second hour of the program, which was broadcast to a national audience, someone, with a strong accent, called and asked "who is responsible for putting this communist on the air?" The talk show host said that he was, but in fact it was the producer who had arranged for my friend to be on the air. Very soon afterward, that talk show host, who was the most popular radio programmer in San Francisco, was replaced by a Zionist who is there to this day and who is such a Zionist that every year, when they have an Israeli Day celebration in San Francisco, he is the master of ceremonies. On the airwaves, on the major networks, you will find either among the owners or the more important decision making positions, people who are clearly Zionists. The head of CBS news, Leslie Moonves, for example, is the great-nephew of David Ben Gurion.

Most people cannot or don't want to believe it when I speak of Jewish influence in the media. I read the Jewish press, and they have information on that subject that does not get published in the mainstream press. This is basically where I get most of my information, and I have found it to be credible. One paper that is particularly useful is The Forward, a Jewish weekly that is like the Wall Street Journal for Jews, because it has a lot of good information that you don’t find in any other publication.

What is most interesting is that most of the people I know, who are fighting for the Palestinians in the US, never read the Jewish press. And to me, if you don’t do that, you are not serious. Because we cannot do anything in this country about what is happening in Palestine directly. But what we can do in the United States is work to weaken Israel’s support here, to expose the Israel lobby and undermine Israel's position in the United States. When we weaken Israel’s support, we strengthen the Palestinian position.

S.C.: Aren't a number of people, touched by the misery of the Palestinians and the Iraqis, more and more conscious that the media lies?

Jeffrey Blankfort: Well, of course, the newspapers are lying, but while there is more information on the internet, that, too, even from our side, is not always reliable and we have to be careful not just to believe something we read there because it is what we want to believe.

The Bay Area, used to have seven or eight newspapers. Now there are barely two and a half. And they have become more like English tabloids, they are competing with television. Unlike Europe, the quality of television here is very poor, and people have become addicted to it. And they are also addicted to portable musical instruments like CD and MP3 players, and now there is the iPod. It is not very promising and also the political arena here doesn’t give much opportunity to play. We have two parties that, essentially, are the same, two wings of the capitalist party. One pacifies the people, that's the Democrats, and the other eliminates them, that's the Republicans. They argue or pretend to about domestic issues, but when it comes to Israel they lock arms together. So for example you may have women in Congress fighting for the right to have an abortion. They join with the most right wing, anti-women members of Congress in the Senate when it comes to supporting Israel. This is never commented on or discussed within the left! It is very depressing because I don’t see much change although there were a couple of protests at local AIPAC meetings, but there is no clear connection made between the lobby and Congress and what is going on in Israel-Palestine. And I don’t see much improvement taking place. So, I cannot even say what can happen that will change it. At some point, there will be a change. I don’t know how it’s going to come around, how it’s going to come about. But I don’t see at the moment any bright prospect for the future.

S.C.: If the orientation of the media doesn't change, and if the influence of the pro-Israeli lobby continues apace in the States without ever being denounced by the left, don't you think that will give Israel a free hand to continue to foment wars against Iran, Syria, and Palestine?

Jeffrey Blankfort: The neo-cons who are almost exclusively Jewish and the Israel lobby got the US into the war in Iraq. The father of the President, the first George Bush was against it, the oil companies were against it. And despite the fact that the war is going so badly, they did not have to pay a political price because only a few isolated columnists, and but a few from the left, and none representing the anti-war movement in this country, wrote articles about that. So now, the same forces are now pushing for a US confrontation with Iran, although I don’t think that will happen, simply because the United States is bogged down in Iraq. Besides, should the US attack Iran, the troops that the US has trained in Iraq who are very pro-Iranian and connected to the two parties the SCIRI and the Dawa that were founded in Iran in 1982 and fought on the side of Iran against Saddam, will certainly respond and Iraq will explode even more than it already has. That is why I don't think the US is going to do it, even though everybody over here seems to think so. But if the US does attack Iran, that is the ultimate proof that the Zionist lobby has total control over US policy, and I don't think it is at that point now. What is happening is interesting: Bush is weak at the moment, Republicans are deserting him, he has lost votes in Congress, he will get his Supreme Court Justice, Alito, approved but AIPAC has criticized him for being soft on Iran; AIPAC has criticized him publicly for not pushing Iran before the Security Council, even though AIPAC knows that if the US brought Iran before the Security Council they w ill not get the vote against Iran. There is considerable speculation that Israel will attack Iran, even if the US is hesitant, because this is an election year and Israel knows and the lobby knows that anything Israel does at such times will be applauded by Congress and we may end up with the same result in Iraq.

It's interesting that newspapers note as do newscasters on the air, that no criticism is likely to be made of Israel by the president or members of Congress during an election year but they never explain why. The left, led by Chomsky, pretends to be unaware that the question even exists. The irony is, if you read the mainstream press, you will find more about what is going on in terms of the lobby, than if you read the left press, such as it is. The newspaper, The Forward, is a more important newspaper to read because it tells what’s going on with the lobby, and more recently the investigation into AIPAC which the left, again, pays no attention to. Others ask, if AIPAC is so strong, why would they investigate AIPAC? My response is there are people in Washington, in the intelligence department, in the intelligence agencies who, for their own reasons, are very much worried about the Israelization of US foreign policy. And these people in Washington, or people who used to work in Washington, have had a long term fight against the Israel lobby. The left, again, is not a participant in this, unfortunately. And this is why you have people who know what Israel is doing in Washington, what the lobby is doing in Washington and they want to stop it.

S.C.: To come back to that which separates you from Chomsky on the Palestinian question, could we say that you want the Palestinians to win while Chomsky doesn't want the Israelis to lose?

Jeffrey Blankfort: I wouldn't put it exactly that way but I do believe that the Palestinians have the priority to decide what happens in Israel and Palestine and that Chomsky is more concerned about the future of Israel and the welfare of Jews. He opposes a one-state solution and I believe single state is the only answer but I don’t argue here for that because we are not the ones to determine that. But I do give the priority to the Palestinians and he gives it to the Israelis. And that's the difference between us.

Original in French: http://www.voltairenet.org/article135702.html

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs_TheChomskyBlankfortPolemic.php

In my opinion this stuff goes way over the line into outright anti-semitism. It ignores the fact that the US ruling class and the military were only lukewarm in their attitude toward Israel until the 1967 Six Day War. Israel's overwhelming military victory greatly impressed them, especially in view of the fact that many military experts had expected the Arabs to win. Up to that time Zionists in the US had actually been reduced to peddling Israel Bonds to raise money for the Holy State.
Israel's military victory, not the power of Jewish lobbying groups, won US ruling circles over. From then on they saw Israel as an invaluable ally who could do much of the USA's fighting for it in the Middle East, serve as an unsinkable aircraft carrier if necessary, and give the US a ready excuse for military adventures - "we're not after oil; we're protecting our loyal allies and Bible believers, the Israelis."
No one can doubt that individual members of the House and Senate, especially from states like New York, New Jersey, California and Illinois, love getting donations from affluent Jews, and that colors their attitudes and votes. But they love getting donations from people of any ethnic or religious background. If the US ever had to choose between Mideast oil and Israel, there in no doubt at all that it would choose the former. That is why it is a cornerstone of Israeli foreign policy never, but never, to put the US ruling class in a position where it has to choose between the two.

-- A *CRITICALLY* IMPORTANT STATE TO HIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION -- when he was deciding on whether he should recognize the new/incipient state of Israel.

More later.

ML: "Israel's military victory, not the power of Jewish lobbying groups, won US ruling circles over."

"J.A.'s" first ranting message to me will get the response it deserves - none. I don't answer messages that read like they came from Nazi Party headquarters or the mental ward of some state prison (assuming that the former is not located inside the latter). As for the second, this was a case of a relatively unpopular president (Truman) not wanting to alienate an ethnic block in a state with a huge number of electoral votes. It hardly proves that Jews were running the United States. Truman would have been very reluctant to offend Irish voters in Boston, Italians in Jersey City, or Scandinavians in Minnesota. So what? Dewey had hordes of WASPS outside the South who would vote for him under any circumstances. Why in the world would Truman want to give up on traditionally Democratic voters?

TALK ABOUT THE ***MENTAL*** WARD, OSCAR MEYER...!!:

"*GOD* **PROMISED** US PALESTINE **5,000** YEARS AGO!!"

"AND WE **ONCE** HAD A SMALL **ANCIENT** *KING*DOM THERE **2,000** YEARS AGO!!"

Mr. London, you do realize that this 'JA' is really 'Hex' or samshy and is on the Zionist lobby to provide a comic farce of genuine anti-Zionists.
Of course he's in a mental ward. It's called 'Israel'.

OSCAR MEYER *MENTAL* WIENIE!!

YOU CAN'T *GET* ANYMORE **'MENTAL'** THAT *HE* IS!!

HA-HA-HA...!

All he's doing is making a fool out of himself. The zionists are wasting their money if they are sending a buffoon like him a paycheck.

It would be good if they found god or some hobby to expend their dayroom hours when not watching the TV that is always on and out of reach.

You've now accused me of being 3 other people besides myself

note to Meyer ;

no JA (Joseph Anderson) is a Black guy associated Free Radio Santa Cruz, SC-IMC, indybay IMC and Slave Revolt Radio (Skidmark Bob)

Plus Becky Johnson knows him

I don't know any of these people or places / they don't know me. The only connection I have is once several years ago Vinnie included my station in the list of stations during the DJ shouts at the end of his weekly Freak Radio show, after I publicly posted on the main IMC asking to be included as a station who aired his show..

I've been keeping an eye on FRSC - by occasionally visiting their website and reading whatever stories that pop up here. After the bust I downloaded & saved all the pictures, audio clips and (now) video

Yesterday I checked out the Slave Revolt Radio blog/site

that's all

I'm an older white guy (technically Naive American Indian but look white) in the mid-west who owns/operates/runs his own small pirate station.

This IMC right here like this, is the most contact I have with any of these people or sites beyond simply surfing as an anonymous member of the public

I regularly download shows from the radio4all server (mainly the Unwelcome Guest show) and air them on an auxiliary transmitter on 103.7 while the main transmitter on 104.1 carries music - Classic Rock, with Dr. Demento and Jazz on the weekends. Sometimes I simulcast the audio portion of video specials too (or rip the audio from these videos to air depending on the format the video is in)

I'm not "smash the left", or scorpio either

I have no idea who they are but assume they are there in California - smashy seems to be someone who used to troll sf-imc who isn't even around anymore, and scorpio seems to be a SOS/MM person, militaristic and mean spirited, as is typical for them..

Sheepdog throws accusations around wantonly - truely paranoid

I'm not sure how much you keep on top of these details so I thought I'd let you know what I know about them

JA is younger and high spirited as you can see, but he's a good person and we're all supposed to be generally on the same side here

You & I have had our spat or two in the past as well, but I don't consider you bad or an enemy - we just are different and there's nothing wrong with diversity, the key is how we utilize our differences to work together on areas where those differences meet, not using them to fight

Specifically since "fresca" doesn't like you that was an indication that you have more good qualities in common with me than people like her, since then I look over what you post and while not always agreeing with it I *respect* your opinions as a person.

You can be very pointed at times (like above with JA) and I don't want you to direct that at me because you're better at it - I don't even try to be like that with people I like and have respect for, and am not in an atmosphere here where I would want or need to be - I live a rather sheltered and ignorant life in that regard which makes me an easy target. So I try to avoid those situations and avoid incuring the wrath of people that are, being vulnerable to that sophisticated type of mindset. When the ocassion pops up where I'm faced with it, I have to wave the white flag of surrender and plead ignorance, being a "red-assed stepchild" newbie. I don't avoid arguing with you because of that, but because from what I've seen you only react that way when there's a misunderstanding and don't realize the person is really mostly on the same side - like JA is, you haven't seen him on here enough yet or especially seen his other work to realize it, just like you hadn't with me when we first crossed paths on here.

Fresca, sheepdog, Becky and the SOS/MM'ers are the real enemy

That's right.
Hex would -never- *lie* to us.
That's why we believe him so much.
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And this source is
kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So tell me sheepdog - what about chemtrails and global comtamination from Uranium ?


(while Meyer can strike me down anytime he wants to, sheepdog's barbs bounce off harmlessly like the little turds they are)

... little pellets trailing behind a big toothless rat with a mohawk

Yes but did you really type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '

and we Still haven't seen any of your sources.

that's cause you don't have any
you're 'both' wing winded and full of 'pellets'.

OSCAR MEYER WIENIE!!: "The zionists are wasting their money if they are sending a buffoon like him [JA?]..."

*HA-HA-HA*...!!!

*** ROTFLMGDFAO**...!!!

Both have the same mental stability.
And play the same solitary tag team.

no Bill, mostly they are mis-understanding eachother

Meyer isn't really pro-zionist, JA is mis-understanding his position.. It's just that Meyer has a much more conservative take on the situation that JA takes as being too "soft" on zionism which he equates as pro-zionist


Meyer isn't saying JA is actually a pro-zionist in drag, he's saying by being as gung-ho as he is, he's allowing zionists to use him as a tool to discredit anti-zionists and thereby acts in the capacity of a pro-zionist without realizing it

did you *really* type this:
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
or
this ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

.

I can't believe you're now sniveling your lies to Mr. London.
Not too sharp a tool are you?
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '


Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

is grinding his axe with knives a'flashing every which-way desperately trying to make contact willing to cut & slice & dice anything within reach no matter what body part, it is as long as it's mine

and he doesn't care if a few other bystanders get chopped to pieces either, as long as he even has a *chance* of getting some of me

such is the depth of his hostility

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
[what sources?]


Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
Tweet.

ME > the sun is purple


Bill > so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?


ME > um- yes


Bill > ah - revenge is MINE !

will you please answer me.
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '


Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So we can do this for awhile.

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

so,,,did you type this?

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so,,,did you type this?

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"Careful With That Axe, Eugene", the first of many Floyd tracks about insanity

whatever you say.
Which is nothing.
You can't provide any back up for your constant lying.
Come on, smashy, you really don't have to make a total fool of yourself.
Unless it's part of your job.
so,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I really don't believe you can get out of this w/o your 'sources' being shown.

Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So we can do this for awhile.
Until and unless you provide some *creditable* sources.
Somehow I don't believe you *can*.

> Come on, smashy, you really don't have to make a total fool of yourself

hhaahahaaa


Come on, fresca

Come on, JA

Come on, scorpio


me, myself and I have got things to do, knives to sharpen, people to chop

I can swing these things all night you know !

Hex: "Meyer isn't saying JA is actually a pro-zionist in drag, he's saying by being as gung-ho as he is, he's allowing zionists to use him as a tool to discredit anti-zionists and thereby acts in the capacity of a pro-zionist without realizing it".


YO, OSCAR MEYER WIENIE! I *KNOW* THAT YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR ASS WITH BOTH HANDS -- MAYBE YOU CAN FIND THE **AUTHOR'S NAME** OF THE ARTICLE WITH BOTH EYES!


Blankfort has probably been Jewish longer than you've been alive Oscar Meyer!

For *one*, Blankfort isn't talking about 1967 -- A **SURPRISE ATTACK** WAR THAT **ISRAEL** ***STARTED***!! -- WITH U.S. ARMS!!

For *two*, NO OTHER ETHNIC GROUP HAS A POWERFUL LOBBY THAT **TERRORISTICALLY** GOES AFTER PEOPLE AND TRIES TO SMEAR THEM AS **ANTI-SEMITIC / RACIST**, VANDALIZES THEIR PROPERTY, AND TRIES TO DEVOID THEM OF THEIR LIVELIHOOD WHENEVER ANYONE CRITICIZES THEM.

BY THE WAY, RACIST ZIONISTS JEWS DEFACED / VANDALIZED BLACK **CONGRESSWOMAN** CYNTHIA MCKINNEY'S HOME!!

NOW WE KNOW THAT NEITHER HOMELAND SECURITY OR THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WOULD LET THEM GET AWAY WITH DOING THAT TO A **WHITE** CONGRESSPERSON'S HOME!!

NO ONE HEAR HAS HEARD ABOUT THIS, *RIGHT*!!?

THE MAINSTREAM TV/PRESS NEWS DIDN'T SAY **ANYTHING** ABOUT IT, DID THEY?

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE BLACK PRESS -- OR HEARD ABOUT IT DIRECTLY FROM CYNTHIA MCKINNEY, LIKE *I* DID.

AND WE **KNOW** WE WOULD HAVE **ALLL** HEARD ABOUT IT, IF SOME AFROCENTRIC BLACKS WENT AND DID THAT TO A WHITE -- AND ESPECIALLY **JEWISH** -- CONGRESSPERSON'S HOME!!

AND THAT'S ALSO WHY ZIONISM IS *RACISM*!!

you did say you were going to stop lying and go away.
but,,,did you type this?

?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And I really don't believe you can get out of this w/o your 'sources' being shown.

Kinda like your 'sources' about this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

So we can do this for awhile.
Until and unless you provide some *creditable* sources.
Somehow I don't believe you *can*.

and coming back as, fresca, Hex, JA or Scorpio just wont do.
You must make up another alias.

YA **GOT** ME!!

YOU'RE JUST **TOO** **SMART** FOR US!!

I'm even "al-CIAduh attacks"!!

HA-HA-HA...!!



(*WHO* **IS** THAT **NUTCASE** HEX!?: ..."al-CIAduh attacks" IS **OBVIOUSLY** *ANOTHER* **MENTAL** CASE!!)

So maybe one of you can answer this for me
did you type this?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
Come on just a few sources... is that too much to ask?
And I wont even mention this commentary ...
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722

And I said coming back as, fresca, Hex, JA or Scorpio just wont do.
You must make up another alias.

that's why the axe grinding continues - I exposed his real name and scam game

he's went by several handles - anytime he's on another axe grinding session he drops his usual handle "sheepdog" and uses all sorts of often randomly picked ones, "wow" and "dang" were two of the first where he attempted to be as sour and nasty as possible (just dripping with hostility) as a third person just popping in to rake my ass over the coals

He is pretty "mentally challenged" however so I can tell it's him (that and the fact when you do a search for those handles you see that ocassion was the only time they appeared)

he's especially blind to the timestamp problem - which is how I initially pinned him down

He's slowly learning to fool better which shows he's not totally brain dead - in fact he imitates me sometimes

anytime I even hint at the expose' he flies off on another axe session and any further mention is like rubbing salt in the wound

His scam website spam game was trashed which "wounded" his ego (not really much of a financial impact since he was failing at it anyway and the leech lives of working people's taxes - like me)

but I put a face to his failure - it's easy for him to *just blame me* - the fact that he's ripping people off never crosses his mind

funny how blindness works

so with me as his # 1 boogieman (think Osama bin Laden or goldstein in 1984) he can blame all his woes on me insted of looking at himself

with this as a backdrop he relentlessly plugs away at me (as above)

he's so dishonest though he can't even admit it - even to himself

yet his actions (which know no shame - more blindness) speak otherwise - all the time and posts he spends chasing his boogieman around speaks of a man obsessed

All I do is ocassionally bring him up when the topic comes up - whereas he spends all day, day after day harping and grinding on it (as above)

the link he keeps pasting is just a shorter version of what I've already just detailed, twice so far since then

and notice he doesn't have a thing to say other than his little barbs - he refuses to actually address the question (is sheepdog Bill)

insted he taunts the link over & over

like a child plugging his ears going "la-la-la -- la la lala la"

yet refusing to walk away - *following you around* with his ears covered "la -la-la-lala-la la-la"

quite amusing if it wasn't for the tragic aspect of it - the desperation so overwhelming that you became me, fresca, smashy, scorpio - anyone that happens to get in the way he sets his sights on them and shows an ever-widening circle of people how deluded and unbalanced he is

this mental dysfunction is what lead him to chemtrails and other related flake subjects in the first place - so this crusade he's on is merely a substitute for the other activities he tried to make a life out of but failed

basicly he's a lonely failure looking for a cause that's as fucked up as he is to bury himself in so people will pay attention to the cause and not him

his dream is to be a flake guru like his hero's art bell, etc

I'm a nemesis to that dream and with his childhood history of abuse for foundation, being an axe grinding crusader is his second calling

we'll be treated once more to another simplistic paste but we won't see him address anything I just said -

watch

But did you really type this ?
"'Iran, and Syria do have nuclear missiles supplied by Russia according to more than one source '
And what exactly was your sources?

About this Bill guy.
Too funny for words
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/148667_comment.php#148722
(Tweet tweet)
:>)


and coming back as, fresca, Hex, JA or Scorpio just wont do.
You must make up another alias.
Like Smash the left.
You know, the one you carried over @ SF IMC before your dick was knocked into the dirt.
Just like here.

I didn't think you would actually do it

the degeneration is worse than I feared

And it will continue to be.
So where exactly are all your sources?
Somewhere the sun never shines?

are you crazy ?

nester runs sf-imc

I tried posting there 3 or 4 years ago, the fuck hid me

I boycotted the place and never went there again

I don't trust him - he tracks IP's, it's just him talking to himself anyway hell he does it on indybay sometimes

I have no reason or desire to deal with him

smashy is someone else and he rarely posts here

I only post as Hex you shitheel

" I only post as Hex you shitheel "

You've been posting as JA for awhile now.

That's common knowledge.

What other handles do you use?

transparency


oh - continuing Re: plaintext

the very next step would be


do a keyword search on KPC and "Pete Nice" and see what words in common they have between them but that's a lot of work

it's less effort to salt my reply by saying things that will get a rise out of either, or best salting that can cause different reactions among all the possibilities

then wait 'till the next level and *see what pops up*

patience is a very helpful aspect - there being no hurry or priority in untangling the matted web *some* people hide behind

I use Hex, I've always been Hex and nothing else

I've posted pictures, gave out data about myself

that's one class of transparency - clear enough to see a real person but not so clear as to point out the transmitter's location

then we have the one's hiding in the smoke like you

no one can see you at all, you like it that way - exploring the *reasons* you wish to be obscure - none of them are positive

I'm only slighly less than fully transparent with good reason

you're hiding in the fog for *no reason*


so here you are complaining about my clarity from your shadowy world that you choose for no good reason


what's wrong with this picture ?

And we should ask ourselves...
Just how many dual citizen (Israeli/ American) members of this criminal
cabal are in the seats of policy?

Not about Hex and his personal opinions ( w/o sources ) on a number of
ancillary issues.
:>)

"gave out data about myself "

You've got to be kidding.

No one and I mean no one who's a regular around here has given out even remotely the personal info I have.

That it doesn't fit in with your cybersleauth fantasy conclusions is hardly my issue.

The irony of someone who, for the most part, bragged in it's own handle about anonymity and encryption, touting it's transperency is rich.

Did they ever develop Billy Goat Hill?
Over there in Eagle Rock.
Where you say you live, since we're talking about personal information.

> bragged in it's own handle about anonymity and encryption, touting it's transperency is rich.


la-imc is trustworthy

also I've taken care of it at this end - the "last mile" here is via lowpower directional microwave in a crowded ISM band, extremely difficult to trace to an endpoint unrelated to us - "wireless guest"


my touts are me posting *pictures of myself, where I live and my equipment*

something both you & sheepdog have dismally failed to do

and because there is no supporting evidence, you can say or claim anything you want, just wing it, making it up as you go (which is what you appear to be doing)


My supporting evidence

1.) the logs on IRC in #radio
2.) my history going back 5 years
3.) the pictures I've posted
4.) the signal on 104.1 FM that people of IMC can tune in and verify
5.) web page screenshots with those same pictures
6.) captures of the signal on the air - actual FM stereo

neither one of you have any at all

I really like your 'sources' which amount to screen shots of your secret radio station.
But the issue of this thread is dual citizenship (Israeli/ American) and Israeli lobby influence.

"Did they ever develop Billy Goat Hill?
Over there in Eagle Rock.
Where you say you live, since we're talking about personal information."

Hmmm. At the risk of tarnishing my pristine credibility, I must say that I don't know what Billy Goat Hill is.

I'm interested though. Taking a moment away from all the baiting and squabbling I sincerely ask. What is it?

I'll tell you this much though, I just got back from the new Starbucks that's in the Walgreens parking lot and was listening to Doc Watson on KPFK as I drown home, east on Colorado past Fatty's my favorite hardware store.

Know the one?

This is a fairly well known landmark to the locals.
Just checking.
:>)

WHoops!

Some bad punctuation there.

I meant to say "drove past Fatty's (which I actually can't stand) AND my favorite hardware store.

I didn't mean to imply that Fatty's was a hardware store.

"This is a fairly well known landmark to the locals. "

Perhaps.

I moved here just under two years ago.

So, you tell me, what's the famous restuarant that is synonomous with Eagle Rock?

"the issue of this thread"

hmmm funny how that goes out the window when it's fresca's details being discussed

well fresca knows what you look like (thanks to me)

maybe you two should..

strike that thought

Well let me say that most of the time I spent in Eagle Rock was under the sheets with a cute red head. I had little time to 'go out' since my interests were divided between classes at PCC and indoor activities. I had a nice view of downtown LA and Billy Goat hill, however...
But this thread is still about undue influence of the Israeli lobby.

at the top of this thread so what's to discuss ?

and mohawk hermit doesn't go out

gee what a surprise

too busy aging artifacts I guess

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your Heart-Shaped box for weeks

I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black


Hey!

Wait!

I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

Hey!

Wait!

I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

Hey!

Wait!

I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

....your advice

Man-eating orchids forgive no one just yet
Cut myself on Angel Hair and baby's breath
Broken Hymen of your highness I'm left black
Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back


...Your advice

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your Heart-Shaped box for weeks

I've been drawn into your magnet tar-pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black



Your advice
Your advice

It would be interesting to know exactly how many members of the immediate
Admin. cabinet actually have dual American/ Israeli citizenship.
But that's another embarrassing question, isn't it.

I don't claim to have a clue about who is secretly who on this board, and I am not accusing anyone of being anyone else, with one exception. I'm pretty sure that Fresca=Scorpio, whoever else this duo may also be.

"no"

whew - that was the result of a complicated series of calculations


tar pit trap

tar & feather




> excuses why he won't debate

> a waste of cyberspace!

you answer your own questions

cool

Still trying to derail this thread eh, smashy?
It's *Still* about the undue influence of the Israeli lobby in
American foreign policy.

Well, well I been movin' down to Florida.
And I'm gonna bowl me a perfect game.
Well I'm gonna cut off my leg down in Florida, child.
And I'm gonna dance one-legged off in the rain.
Now, they say that Sidney Poitier was a blind man.
And they say that LBJ was a Soviet Jew.
When I go down Florida Way,
They're ain't no kind of sexual healing that I would not, could not, should
Not do, stick it right here.
Well I been movin' down to Florida.
I'm gonna potty train the chairman Mao.
I'm gonna make the governor write my doodoo a letter, child.
And I'm gonna grind me up a White Castle side out of India's sacred cow.
Well, I been movin' down Florida Way,
And I'm gonna build me the atomic bomb.
Well, I'm gonna hold time hostage down in Florida, child.
Ain't nobody, said ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do. Right here.
By this time I guess you've figured out about Florida.
Drink the muddy water in the Vaseline stain.
They be makin' tadpoles the size of Americans down in Florida.
That be tellin' Julio Iglesias what to sing, now.
Now, whoever said that Sidney Poitier was a blind man,
Knew the same of Elvis Presley, too.
When I go down Florida Way,
Ain't nobody, said ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do. Right here.
Well I been goin' down to Florida.
Pole cats lie naked in the Seminole sin.
When I go down Florida Way,
Like Vince, I wanna' win.
Well I went down to Florida.
I got away.
I took the children down to Florida.
I stuck the dick down the drain.
Get that boy down to Florida.
Give him a switch blade.
Tell him what to do.

wow- exactly the same de railing tactics.
This thread is still about the undue influence of the dual citizenship members of this criminal cabal.
Of Israel / American citizenship. And how we are being screwed by them.

hmmm I didn't consider that

(scorpihole hadn't yet made it on my radar so I haven't thought about it but a keyword search "communist" might turn up a correlation)

Sheepster the only one here who would dispute the thread topic is fresca - and she can't be bothered to read the material and hence speaks only from ignorance

besides you see what she & Becky does - they try to draw you into their tar pit trap so they can feather you

I'm not going to join you there in their tar pit

maybe Meyer will have something to say in detail about it beyond what he's already said ?

'least he's got a brain

from its current status as a colony of Israel to its former status as a sovereign independent nation.

" This thread is still about the undue influence of the dual citizenship members of this criminal cabal. "

It really isn't.

It's actually about the same old tired leftist mantra of "blames the Jews for everything".

It's pretty much the one prime guiding principle of the far left.

Blame the Jews.

Find a cloak and dagger way to fit the Jews into every conspiracy and make sure to ALWAYS refer to these Jews as the seemingly PC term of Zionists. As if that's fooling anyone.

Hell you've even attracted the latest whiterash nazi WNNN or whatever he calls himself to your Jewhating fest.

Good work sheep.

At the end of the day, this original topic of this thread is just more leftist racism. That it has evolved away from that is the sign of a critical and righteous thread.

well it's not fooling THEM ^

what really, does that picture mean to you?

Are you actually implying that because there exists orthodox jews who are anti-israel that that sentiment is beyond reproach?

I could post THOUSANDS of pics of Americans who march in unified hatred of America. So what?

Every culture and society has those among it who self loathe.

Zionism is no less valid then the belief that every state and culture has in wanting to protect its land. The "palestinians" have the same belief. They want all the land for their own as an islamic theocracy. The only thing that is different is that the "palestinians" haven't given this desire a name such as "Zionism" and the fact that they never had a state or the inclinination (after squatting small areas of the land for centuries) to create one to begin with.

The irony is that it was only the creation and spread of Zionism in the first place which spurred the arabs to try and create a state of their own to begin with.

So congrats on posting the rabbis again. You've proven that America isn't the only place where self-loathers exist.

gosh, fresca, the only one here who is self loathing seems to be you.
As well as the loathing you have for the rest of humanity.
And this thread is still about excessive Zionist influence in American foreign policy.
:>)

who do YOU loathe ? the answer becky-ons us ;

sub-humans
vermin
parasites
disease
beasts
non-persons
savages
exterminate
mud people
sand niggers
barbarians
bedbugs
islamist bugs
rats
degenerates
eradicate
ragheads
towelheads
koranimal
paleostinian

and to think these racist haters attempt to PREACH to us about loathing..

as if they were experts on the emotion

because they are

and the words

peace
unity
trust
respect

why - THAT'S loathing !

"common sense and logic"

hmmmmmmmmmm

frescky: "You've been posting as JA for awhile now. That's common knowledge."

FRESCKY IS STILL *SMARTIN'* FROM MY **ROYALLY** **PLAYIN'** HER OVER IN THE "INFO ON FRESCKY/BRESCKY" THREAD!!

HA-HA-HA!!

AND I ***SMOKED*** **BRESCKY** OUT OF HER SLIMEY CREVICE IN THE PROCESS!!

HA-HA-HA!!

STUDYING **JUDAISM**!!

the Rabbi's are authorities on the subject and they're saying peace, unity, trust and respect

Frescy lives on a diet of hate, then regurgitates on here

hoping we'll try some

then we can be covered in it like she is

SKEEEZIE SKANKY FAT ASS FRESCKY/BRESCKY DON'T LOOK **ANYWHERE NEAR** ***THAT*** ****GOOD****!!

HA-HA-HA!!

"" This thread is still about the undue influence of the dual citizenship members of this criminal cabal. "

It really isn't.

It's actually about the same old tired leftist mantra of "blames the Jews for everything".

It's pretty much the one prime guiding principle of the far left.

Blame the Jews.

Find a cloak and dagger way to fit the Jews into every conspiracy and make sure to ALWAYS refer to these Jews as the seemingly PC term of Zionists. As if that's fooling anyone.

Hell you've even attracted the latest whiterash nazi WNNN or whatever he calls himself to your Jewhating fest.

Good work sheep.

At the end of the day, this original topic of this thread is just more leftist racism. That it has evolved away from that is the sign of a critical and righteous thread."

It seems as if *you* fresca, are the ones 'blaming the Jews' since you have a tendency to hide under their skirts as the drop of a hat.

"It seems as if *you* fresca, are the ones 'blaming the Jews' since you have a tendency to hide under their skirts as the drop of a hat."

Uh, that post makes absolutely no sense.

Let me get this straight. In a thread about the "evil jews" and their "undo influence" on the US; a concept you clearly wholeheartedly agree with and I don't, your final salvo is to try and turn it around so that I aM the one hating Jews?

Is that it? Just a last ditch pointless nonsequitor?

Sheepdog, even you can do better than that. Perhaps that was hex spoofing you.

HEX WRITES:

who do YOU loathe ? the answer becky-ons us ;

sub-humans
vermin
parasites
disease
beasts
non-persons
savages
exterminate
mud people
sand niggers
barbarians
bedbugs
islamist bugs
rats
degenerates
eradicate
ragheads
towelheads
koranimal
paleostinian

and to think these racist haters attempt to PREACH to us about loathing..

BECKY: Surely you are not including ME on your list! Since most of my work is published on the web, can you find A SINGLE EXAMPLE in any of my writings (or on either my radio or television show) where I use any of these words to describe Arabs or Palestinians (or any other people for that matter) ?

I believe that racism is one of the main sources of violence and suffering in the world today---and since it's a man-made phenomenon, it's within the power of human beings to erradicate racism.

Despite these beliefs, and despite my continuous advocacy for these beliefs, somehow I'm being accused of being a racist.

go figure.

"It's pretty much the one prime guiding principle of the far left.

Blame the Jews. " ...[fresca ]


No it's the guiding principle of the Zionist filth who use the people of Jewish faith to hide behind.

When the terror of the Israeli state is uncovered it is always your filth who duck behind the Jews.
All Jews.

Not the murderous and banal filth who support the terror and justify the IDF violence towards the resistance of the People of Occupied Palestine.

Just more hyperbole from a Blowhard.

You can always spot a true racist whe they use phrases like;
"all you people", or;

"Is lying all your kind of filth is able to do? or;

"'Cause your cause can only lie and cheat and steal and kill."

If your'e just name calling, that means that you don't have anything intelligent to say. Of course thats typical for you avowed racists.

If the Genocidal shoe fits...

You just aren't smart enough to GET it are you?

Tisk...
Still no quotes, huh? To support your lies.
Still A Lying SackOshit.
It is you who are a danger to people of Jewish faith with your support of programs of death and Genocide.

And lies. Not surprised.

as stated

Tisk...
Still no quotes, huh? To support your lies.
Still A Lying SackOshit.
It is you who are a danger to people of Jewish faith with your support of programs of death and Genocide.

And lies. Not surprised.

I actually will be busy booking a trip to AFrica today (such a bitch trying to use miles) so I won't be able to spend ALL day but for now, sure.

Keep denying the obvious and I'll keep handing your head to you.

At the end of the day you'll STILL be a schizophrenic, lying racist.

Pretty much the bottom of the barrel.

The policies of Genocide carried out by the criminal state of Israel is what you defend.
Not the Jewish people.

Lying about what I've posted is the same old same old.
Nothing to back up your lies.

If one were to view the amount of your racist posts that have been hidden...

"backwoods unabomber type KKK guy"

hahahaa you don't know how close that is to the truth -excepting Ted being a basement boy

He is a template of how the man wants us all to be - negative enough to have the desired social impact but under control enough to be reined in at will



"I won't be able to spend ALL day" (trolling on here)


we can dream





"Genocide carried out by the criminal state of Israel"

well it's not even that - it's hate period, it's a subject steeped in hate so the entity feeds

the Jew thing is just a side-show to pull others into the feeding frenzy - by using them as an appliance to stick to us and pull us into the hate grinder we provide more bulk to the meal

there's no actual concern for them or anyone else

when your life is full of hate you see the world through hate stained glasses and no person or people escape the hate grinder

you may pretend to have concern but that's just an adhesive - attractively scented flypaper

people who hate don't really care about anything or anyone - including themselves