Laguna Beach, CA, July 30, 2005--Fifty or more angry counter-protestors stood up to twenty-five Save Our State members and neo-Nazis today to thwart harassment of day laborers at the Laguna Beach Day Labor Center. To the stunned amazement of the counter-protestors, Save Our State members showed their true colors when the neo-Nazis raised a Confederate flag and several large Hitler youth flags, with German swastikas on a horizontal red and white striped background, amidst a field of U.S. and California flags in the parking lot across from the center.

In spite of repeated denials of collaboration with neo-Nazis, the Ventura and Orange County Save Our State group has received support from several hate groups including the National Vanguard, VDARE, and Stormfront members. They have also solicited support from Glenn Spencer's American Patrol, which published notice of the Laguna Beach event. Spencer is most infamous for a one-man firefight against an imagined invasion of Mexicans in his backyard, and in the process shooting a neighbor's garage.

S.O.S. has repeatedly denied associating with or soliciting the aid of the neo-Nazis, who have appeared with regularity at S.O.S. protests. As of this writing, a request from an SOS member to the group's leader to explain the neo-Nazi demonstration has gone unanswered.

Save Our State organized the protest at the Day Labor Center to oppose the hiring of day laborers by city residents two weeks after some members of SOS attended an unofficial rally at the Laguna Beach Arts Festival. There they protested the event's contribution through rental space sale to city coffers, which in turn pays out $21,000 to the group that operates the Center. That protest's organizer, known as OCAngel, has publicly disassociated herself from S.O.S. after neo-Nazis stood with S.O.S. there.

Like previous day labor center events in Fallbrook, Victorville, and Alhambra, police allowed the protestors and counter-protestors to mingle. At about 1:30 p.m., S.O.S. took the east side of Laguna Canyon Road, leaving the counter-protestors, now joined by some of the day laborers, to ensure free passage into the Center. The small police presence tried to take a bullhorn from one protestor and interfered in the speech of several others, but none of the counter-protestors were arrested. The Orange County Register reports the arrest of one protestor for carrying a knife.

It was at about 2:00 p.m. that S.O.S. members and neo-Nazis on the north side of the parking lot raised the offensive and perhaps apocalyptic flag display. The counter-protestors responded by marching south to the crosswalk and to the east side of the street, where they confronted S.O.S. and the neo-Nazis. The police, even after calling in additional cars, refused to assure the safety of the S.O.S. protestors under the Nazi banners and ordered them to leave.

As I walked out, a Spanish-speaking laborer leaned across the fence and shouted out, "Thank you." I grinned at him and responded, "De nada." After all, it was at this small counter-protest that the Nazis were defeated and Save Our State exposed.

Thanks to R. D. Skeels.

Congrats SOS! You guys have done a great job of encouraging the nazis to come out of their caves and take to the streets.

You can say "we just want the laws enforced" but your tactics and your rhetoric have inspired the next generation of neo-nazis and have given them the courage to take to the streets, instead of just hiding behind monikers on message boards.

WOW! The world sure is a better place because SOS came along.

Again, plz get the essential facts straight. If you can not do that, you can not be close on the other things.

Leslie, plz either stop fabricating, or learn to count...

The real #'s were, yes I actually counted...1 , 2 , 3 . It is not hard !

40ish saveourstate

20 White sep's

60 ish goon counterprotesting, scooby doo watching kids.

There were other things very wrong. Plz let Daune Roberts do the summaries.

National Vanguard, VDARE, and Stormfront all regularly post stuff at the IMCs. I thought these guys were your pals?

Are these Nazi flags legitimate? They're not reworked photographs, are they? I ask because it's so easy to modify photographs these days and while it's obvious known neo-Nazi and white supremist groups are standing shoulder to shoulder with SOSMM, I had not heard that any obvious Nazi regalia was being exhibited. In fact I seem to recall that the SOSMM specifically asked their members to remove all such symbols from their clothes, signs, and literature.

The flags are real, Fred. That was the scene on Saturday at the SOS rally in Laguna.

None of the Nazi vermin who showed up belong to SOS. Not surprised you tried to make it seem like we are all one in the same. As usual, you have been CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

How does one become a member of SOS? I thought attending the protests and posting on the message board (which the nazis do) would be sufficient for membership.

To see a foto of Joe Turner framed by Nazi and Amerikkan flags in Laguna Beach go to:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/133898_comment.php#133913

There was not a police presence at the Victorville SOS/NV rally and there was no intermingling of protestors. There was one cop that came and talked to us for a minute or two and did the same with the SOS/NV.

Well, SOS and the NV/WN people mingled quite a bit, so maybe that's what Leslie was referring to but those of us on the "counter-protestor" side basically stuck to our corner.

Nazi flags? So that's where the "red" in "red state" comes from!

Yes, this really happened. I was there, they are not fakes. Is it really so surprising, though?

The whimper of "we were intermingled due to lack of space and/or police request" is astonishing. While SOS/MMP have been heavily criticized for their very close links to white supremacists, they have to this point maintained a plausible (although remotely so) distance in order to look somewhat respectable in the reactionary corporate media. Those of us on the ground at their events have always spotted the NV/AN/Stormfront among them, but it was difficult to make people see the truth. Those that monitor their posts have also drawn clear connections and evidence of cross membership. In the past we have called for SOS/MMP to prove their contention that they aren't associated with the white supremacists by publicly denouncing them. They haven't denounced them to date.

Laguna Beach July 30 was entirely different. SOS/MMP may have a policy of trying to present a degree of separation between the groups, but at Laguna Beach it wasn't just clear that they were a single contingent in unity. When the horror of the confederate flag (symbol of one of the most despicable human institutions--slavery), and the nazi swastika flags (symbolic of not just racial hate, but of genocide) were unfurled in the midst of their contingent, the SOS/MMP made no effort to prevent or disassociate themselves from the grim and repugnant scene. This was a grave political mistake for them, as their are countless photos of their group, members and flags intermingled, representing the same thing with only a slightly different tact.

Although I can't think of anything that I would every be in agreement with white supremacists and other neo-facists, I do know that if I was in a similar situation to SOS/MMP last weekend the following would have occurred.

a) I would have left immediately and encouraged my group to do the same since it is incomprehensible that anyone would want to protest along side nazis--unless they harbored the same ideology. Why SOS/MMP didn't leave as soon as in their words "uninvited" white supremacists showed up to support the SOS/MMP?

b) I would have encouraged my group to publicly denounce the white supremacists and if they didn't, would disassociate myself from that group. Anything less is a tacit endorsement of fascism and fascist ideals.

Why didn't the SOS/MMP disassociate themselves from the NV/AN/Stormfront last weekend? Especially after the unfurling of the two repugnant flags representing two of the greatest crimes against humanity in all human history? Frighteningly SOS/MMP members looked at ease being in the proximity of those vile symbols of hate. Why haven't they made a public denunciation of what occurred in Laguna Beach?

I can think of only one reasonable explanation for why they haven't. Although I am sure that those here with come up with a host of apologetics, there isn't anyway to explain this: see

Those of us who know what this is, what it represents, and what it has the potential of becoming, know how it must be stopped now. Now that the proverbial white sheet has been lifted off hopefully the reactionary corporate media and the right wing extremist California governor will do a little less cheerleading for them. A word of advice to SOS/MMP members that really still hold that they as individuals are not racists. Get out of those organizations now, since the photos and the host of other evidence slowly mounting proves the white supremacist connection without any doubts now. Cries of "we aren't racists, we're just enforcing the law" are shallow and utterly devoid of sincerity when made in the presence of nazi and confederate flags.

As a Southerner who is proud of his Confederate ancestors, seeing a Confederate flag any where near a Nazis Swastika is a sickening feeling. Hundreds of thousands of Confederate soldiers gave the ultimate sacrifice for a cause they believed in. They fought under that flag. They were Americans. The Nazis perfected murder to an extent not seen before or since. These people have a constitutional right to protest in this way but I have a right to condem them.

Bob Holland

I do not have Confederate ancestors and I don't agree with the comments above

Apparently this was offered by Bob Holland who mistakenly used my name as the author.

Poor LESLIE the liar that brought us the GARDEN GROVE
attack is using the same old propaganda that she usually SUCKS ON!

SOS did not invite the NAZIS to Laguna Beach!

And most everyone knows this!

LESLIE RADFORD sucks!

I was at Laguna Beach on Saturday.
It was Total Victory for the Pro Immigrant Rights side.
It could really not have neded any better. The United activist marched to confront the Nazi's, then the police told them to leave before they were torn apart by the protesters. They were sent running down the street , giving us the finger and screaming "White Power".

The emberrased Joseph Turner then snapped and took his anger out on a member of the International Socialist Organization in an yellow shirt., he pushed him hard on the chest, then was quickly apprehended and "escorted" by the police to his car as the people cheered and laughed as he was dragged away.

Then his other loser friend Don the fisherman Silva was also told to leave.

At the end, no more Nazis or SoS's , only a united people for workers rights.

Kind of funny and yet also sad to hear about the national socialist (Nazi) and the international socialist (ANSWER) camps coming together for a nice, happy polarized conflict event. You both deserve one another, poetic justice..

Meanwhile Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) die of heat stroke and cancer from pesticides while working in the fields of corporate agribusiness picking irrigated iceberg lettuce for taco bell stands. That is just the tip of the iceberg (ha, ha). What would the wealthy neoliberals/neoconservatives of Orange County do without their underpaid Mexican day laborers, they may actually have to mow their own lawns for a change!!

Really seems like the carbon monoxide levels in the LA smog is starting to effect everyone's ability to transport the little remaining oxygen to the collective socialist brain cells..

When people spend all their energy fighting an opposing viewpoint without looking at any common ground, the elite ruling class sits back and laughs while ya'll dance around in circles. The Nazis, SOS, ANSWER and other structured organizations are all regular people being led around by dogmatic leaders with agendas, like a carrot on a stick dangled in front of a donkey. The folks being led are capable of thinking for themselves yet this is strongly discouraged by the cult-like organizers..

Time to wake up and smell the home grown garlic..

People in the US could attempt to grow their own food and people in Mexico could do the same. Everyplace has a food plant that will match the local climate conditions. People from southern Mexico (Oaxaca, Chiapas, Morelos, etc.) could have their own food crops and autonomous self governance if the neoliberal influenced Mexican Army would back off..

Mexican Army invades Morleos autonomous region (Tlalnepantla);

http://www.chiapaspeacehouse.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=110

Neither the corrupt US/Mex government officials would be able to tax home farmers. What everyone really wants is economic equality, and so long as US agribusiness corporations require cheap labor, nothing will stop Mexican immigrants from entering the US..

GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, PPP (Plan Puebla Panama) and all the other so called free trade agendas pushed down our throats by GW Bush/ Vincentes Fox, etc are just more band-aid approaches attempting to repair the trans-border rift. The reality is US/Mex corporations and their wealthy executives will benefit while both Anglo-American and Aztec-Mexican workers will suffer and lose what little freedom they have left..

Spanish;
http://www.ciepac.org/ppp.htm

Ingles;
http://www.chiapas-support.org/plan_panama.htm

If people want a way out of statism, they could start by distancing themselves from both corporations and government, supporting neither. Try look towards the collective autonomous community village strength and forget about getting any help from the INS, AFL-CIO, and other large socialist statist organizations. The land belongs to nobody and everybody (so let's take it back), there is plenty of space for community gardens collectively owned and farmed with biodiverse permacultura by a diverse human population. No one culture needs to dominate another..

Aztecs, Aryans, Mayans, Anglos, Semites, Africans, Arabs, Asians, etc have much more in common than differences, don't let racial subtleties divide us against our human brothers and sisters while the land under our feet drowns in agricultural pesticides and our bodies develop cancer. Let's try to step out of polarized ethnic psuedo-conflicts and reframe the discussion, end corporate occupation of future community garden space!!

Start with the Imperial Valley and please boicott iceberg lettuce grown there. This is one food crop that provides little or no nutrition and also depends on massive irrigation from dammed/diverted Rio Colorado agua to grow this water dependant crop in the desert heat..


"High Levels of Toxic Rocket Fuel Found in Lettuce

Summary

Eating lettuce or other vegetables grown in fields irrigated by the Colorado River may expose consumers to a larger dose of toxic rocket fuel than is considered safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, according to test data and documents obtained by Environmental Working Group (EWG)."

http://www.ewg.org/reports/rocketlettuce/

The concrete/barbed wire wall between US and Mexico needs to be removed. Beyond our temporary human cultural/ethnic differences, there are many other species (Sonoran pronghorn antelope, desert bighorn sheep, etc.) that are adversely effected by this barrier to migration. They lived here before there was a US or Mexico, we owe it to them to restore their land as it was before Anglo-Spanish colonialism. These herbivores cannot access needed drinking water springs and and seasonal plants while this artificial barrier is in place..

luna moth

The National Socialist Movement was distorted into a "Native National Socialist Movement" thinking that national socialism was the goal for the natives of Germany (Aryan Nation). While the international socialists view all people of all faiths and races as equal and advocates the elimination of borders that keep us separated. That is why the international socialists (USSR) fought against the national socialists (Nazis). These two groups are fundamentally opposed to each other. To associate the two together is to equivocate based on name and it is a fallacy because though the name is similar, the philosophy is contradictory to each other. Now SOS wants to have a national capitalism for semi-natives (the white people who stole the land from the real natives). So the only difference between the nazis and SOS is that SOS is more on the right when it comes to social policies and the Nazis believe that social programs are good, only as long as it is only available to the European Americans, and Mexicans should not have access to it. There are, of course, liberals that are in the SOS, and though they don't like to admit it, their philosophy and the philosophy of the national socialists (Nazis) are so similar that if you took away the titles, you may not be able to distinguish who is who. That is why Nazis joined your group (at first agreeing to leave their flags at home) and then came out in force. It is because your group and their group are only as different as a moderate republican is different from a conservative one. You guys are one in the same.

the issues raised about big business exploiting all sides and the deeper problems of pesticides and consumerism along with the solutions offered of gardens is where eventually this will go

how long it takes everyone involved to realize it will become a matter of body count on all sides as well

One can't help wondering if only certain bodies count more than others when we consider the count is already happening as we spat, yet the people involved seem too wrapped up in these events to care about these bodies already piling up - as luna moth pointed out above..

a suggestion might go along the lines of tilling the soil rather than attending protests to root out the problem at it's source insted of attempting to only react to the symptoms of the problem, but tilling is boring and invites changes in comfortable lifestyles while driving somewhere for some entertainment then driving back home addresses a feel-good urge without any real change or threat to one's lifestyle

I think THIS is the similarity between the factions luna moth was refering to - not ideological but functional..

Someone said that Anglos and Aztecs have so much in common? I don't think so, any more than you think that Aztecs and Confederate flag wavers have anything in common. What the Aztecs stood for is far worse and more evil than the slavery of the Confederacy. And that goes equally for the Mexikkkan flag, with its Aztec buzzard on it. The Mexikkkan nation-state/cesspool is a gangrenous cancer on the North American continent, due to its inbred corruption and tyranny. When you wave a Mexikkkan flag on U.S. territory, that is an act of HATE in my book.
Hey! Has anyone noticed that if you take the Nazi flag's swastika, and replace it with an Aztec buzzard, it looks just like the flag of the UFW??
Ever notice how the UFW has always associated with the Brown Berets of Aztan, the Taco Nazis, the Klan with a Tan? As do those who protest against the MM?
Ever realize that cesar chavez endorsed the Plan of Aztan, which calls Anglos "gabachos" and "gringos", and claims that the U.S. belongs to Mexikkko?
Who are the real racists, Taco-Turds?

You're the real racist and your not a Quaker.

Quakers, Commies, Brown Berets
Go Hand in Hand!
Mexikkkan Supremacists,
Brown Ku Klux Klan!

Quakers, aka "Quaking Commie Quacker Crackers."

I will have much more to say on this idiot Quaker subject later, and you will see who the racists are, and who the Quakers.

Oh, please enlighten us with the “much more” you have to say. Please… You’re making so much sense so far.

It is a good idea NOT to call anyone. Don't Call Don Silva, even if you call him and nicely and ask him not to be racist anymore.

Because no one will call, you don't need to remember *67, so he can't prank you......

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Oldpreach Posted on: Mar 12 2005, 01:01 AM
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Hey , if anyone sees this before the event, I will be arriving at 8:05 at the metrolonk station about 1 mile from the home depot. If anyone can pick me up from there, plz call me on my cell anytime after 5:30 am . 818-601-8407. Looking forward to finally meeting you guys ! -- Don.
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Also, because it is a cell phone, you should defiantly NOT call during peak hours.......

HAHA. you make as much sense as pauly shore. those who have certain similar political viewpoints they agree with are "one in the same", fucking hilarious. you guys crack me up.

when the hell did cesar chavez ever support el plan de aztlan? you're a dumbass and a wannabe nazi. cesar chavez actually supported the INS on countless occasions. how do you expect to be taken seriously when you call someone a "taco-turd". if you ever come to an SOS protest, i'll personally confront you.

off the SOS messageboard:

"WHITE SUPREMIACISTS, WHITE POWER, KKK, ETC."

Your posts are not welcomed or wanted on this board and they will be deleted with or without notice. Your membership is also subject to immediate termination."


also, Joe Turner is now going to have a physical boundary placed around all future SOS protests to prohibit those unwanted (especially neo-nazi boneheads) from attempting to pose as us or harass us.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3928

They can't post, they can't join, but they can hold their signs with them for a photo op to be proudly posted on SOS's website. Get a clue. There are things set up so they can say, "We told them not to come" so IF they got exposed, they could have deniability. Then, secretly, they encouraged them to keep coming back. That is why they have been side by side for months. And YES they DID know, it is on their website. Why do you think occutegirl left?!?!

"They can't post, they can't join, but they can hold their signs with them for a photo op to be proudly posted on SOS's website. "

-Who? When? I have yet to see pictures of neo-nazis being posted and praised on the SOS board.

"Get a clue. There are things set up so they can say, "We told them not to come" so IF they got exposed, they could have deniability. Then, secretly, they encouraged them to keep coming back. That is why they have been side by side for months. And YES they DID know, it is on their website."

-What the hell are you babbling about? The bulk of the membership had NO idea neo-nazis were gonna come by wave their stupid flags. Steps are being taken to distance ourselves from these idiots, but we can't stop them from showing up anymore then we can stop you people from showing up. The fact is, you guys don't want us to protest, you guys don't want us to speak out, and you'll make up or do just about anything to stop us.

"Why do you think occutegirl left?!?!"

-I don't care why she left. This issue is too important to me to worry about people who are scared off by opposition, from where ever it may come from.

Looks like your site is not newspeak, you are just in denial. (I can call him on this one). Here are nazis....

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3209&view=findpost&p=31406

Well, it does appear that there is some newspeak going on here, but these pictures were taken from SOS websites prior to you "cleaning house"

So one is attached above. I found another to follow....

Now here it is the picture on the top right was sound on SOS. I am not sure about the others, those are only the ones that I personally say on your site....

Now here, the picture on the top right was found on the SOS site. I am not sure about the others, that is the only the one that I personally saw on your site....

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3209&view=findpost&p=31406

wow, you've really found us red-handed. a cuban-american SOS member, and another non-white SOS member. haha.

and you're right, those pictures ARE old news, taken all at the exact same event. believe me, if we knew at the time who they really were, they would have been 86'd immediately.

anyways, you can make all the broad accusations you want, they're not stopping me.

-from ourselves


Implausible deniability

or

Plausible indeniability


The pictures come out the same either way

.


> Confederate flag wavers
> the Mexikkkan flag
> wave a Mexikkkan flag
> take the Nazi flag's
> looks just like the flag


flag flag flag flag flag


looks like someone's obsessed with flags


I'll bet you sleep under a flag sheet - and whack off on it


.


> Quakers, Commies, Brown Berets
> Mexikkkan Supremacists,
> Brown Ku Klux Klan!
> "Quaking Commie Quacker Crackers."

> Go Hand in Hand!


Using this as your fantasy..

.

Mike - "overherebuddy@yahoooOOOO !"

You are an idiot. We knew they were Nazis BEFORE those pictures, and we figured it out FROM YOUR WEB SITE. If you are really that stupid that when someone starts talking about white pride and how people have to be preserve their race, it gives you the clue to look on the other sites. And Joe KNEW who they were Nazis! He said over and over again that he did not care WHO showed up to his events, or WHAT they believed, so long as they were willing to make a stand against illegal aliens. He kept saying, "I can't stop them from coming, and as long as they don't display racist signs or flags, I don't care". If YOU honestly didn't know that there were Nazis among you, then it is YOU who is an idiot, but Joe knew, Don knew, and ANYONE reading their posts on SOS forums with three brain cells knew.

Here is a hint. When you stereotype about a race (Mexicans make areas cesspools), or when you say that one race/culture is better than another (I say different, not better), then you are a racist. Then again picking out Nazis in your group is like finding the McVeigh in the militia. When everyone is a little racist, how do you find the one who affiliates him/herself with racism?

Hitler Youth bastard "Konkwista88" (the 88 is code for "Hiel Hitler") of the Stormfront white nationalist aryan supremacist group is shown here standing shoulder to shoulder with the token SOS hispanic, and Nazi lover Vince Estrada at the Baldwin Park 2 demonstration. It proves that Joe Turner and his motley band of self-hating Latino sell-outs at SOS are working for the Nazis.

click.....

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/bp2_0040.jpg

You need to see an optometrist, and get some glasses, because your depth perception, is whack!

The guy in the hat is in the back behind everyone else.

The picture proves nothing, but while the issue of illegal immigration is NOT racist, it is true that SOS tolerates the Nazis.

Occutegirl and oneinch left after it was revealed they are Jewish and the Nazis threatened her.

It is a public sidewalk.

But, I can deal with the Nazi flags, if the Nazis wish to show them in my presence.

I wasn't talking about the man in the hat, dingbat!!!! "Konkwista88" is the Hitler Youth in the blue shirt. You should know this by now since your Nazi pal has been a member of SOS for quite some time.

Here is yet another pic of the Hitler Youth with Gestapo Girl, Megan Nicole Parigi, standing shoulder to shoulder with dirty rotten Nazi-collaborating, Hitler-loving "Hijo de Puta" Vince Estrdada AKA "Spilzz"; the old hag and Eva Braun wanna-be at the extreme left of the pic is June Hensley

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/bp2_0042.jpg

Who is Advocacte? The long time SOS member and source of financial support?
Give ya a hint...

Attorney in beach area of Los Angeles.

forum? Why are the Nazis free to spout while dissenters are banned?

Like..the Jew hater, Polar Bear:

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4406&st=0&#entry41601

John "Polar Bear" Butler is a racist skinhead who is sitting in jail for the murder of two Anti-Racist Action members.
John Edward Butler was born December 25, 1971 in Orange County, California. Las Vegas police officer Greg Damarin, formerly assigned to a gang detail, said he encountered Butler on about 30 occasions and considered him a leader of the Independent Nazi Skins

That Great White National, William:

The interesting question here is, why do you feel SOS lacks legitimacy without multiracial support? Is SOS a failure if only whites participate?

I can assure you, the white Americans of my acquaintance here in OC--the guys with power, money, & influence who want to do something about the immigration invasion--are definitely not motivated by multiculturalism or multiracialism.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=9ccaa4ee1d3ba5ee5c18f4b83abf8638&search_in=posts&result_type=posts

And the White Nationalist Cheerleader

Bearflagrepublic:

White Nationalism is not shrinking, its growing, I can attest to that personally from having seen their numbers increase over the past few years at events and rallies where our interests intersect.

What is National Vanguard's goals you ask? It is to look at every issue from the perspective of "is this good for White people" and then to support the side that is "pro-white".

Your logic is terribly flawed in regards to setting goals and achieving them. The ultimate goal of White Nationalism is a protected White living space, but there is much to be done before that can become a reality. Your logic of doing nothing to advance the achievement of that goal because it is "so far off" is defeatist and ignorant. If you disagree with White Nationalism, fine, its not for everyone, but do not speak of which you do not know.

Thank you for proving our point.

If we are going to discuss the Victorville Home Depot protest, let us
first clear up a few misconceptions that have been laid out in this
thread.

A.) The group of protesters that S.O.S. separated from was not made up
of any one group, it consisted of 25 people with a loose affiliation to
the cause of White Nationalism. This included 6 members of the Las
Vegas National Vanguard unit who volunteered their services due to it
being a common cause.

B.) The "skinhead", despite not having transportation found a way to
make it to the event from San Diego because his conviction for this
cause is very strong. Furthermore, he is not a National Socialist, and has
very reasonable views on racial matters, but those of you who judge him
rather then speaking to him would obviously not know this.

C.) White Nationalism is the belief that people of European heritage
have a right to their own living space where they can continue to
develop and celebrate their own culture. Something that is currently
unavailable anywhere on the planet. If you do not believe me, go look up the
immigration statistics by ethnicity, I know when I learned of the third
world invasion of Europe it opened my eyes to the truth of our
situation. Notice that "supremacy" is not a part of White Nationalism, yet
still many on this site and elsewhere perpetuate that myth.

D.) The protesters whom S.O.S. chose to segregate themselves from had
the support of the young man who was organizing the protest, which by
the way was NOT an "S.O.S. only" event. I know because I am the one who
sought and was granted permission to attend.

E.) The National Vanguard flyer (which was pre-approved by the event
organizer) seeks to explain the root cause of our illegal immigration
problem, whether you believe what it says or you do not it IS relevant to
this cause. How is it that any criticism of Israeli influence upon our
government (Fact: the American Israel Public Affairs Committee is one
of the largest political lobbies in our nation) is labeled as
"Anti-Semitic"? Using that logic criticizing the Mexican Governments influence
in our government by supporting a mass emigration to the United States
is indeed "Anti-Mestizo" and therefore S.O.S. IS a racist organization
for opposing it. The flyer in no way asserts superiority of European
peoples over Semitic peoples, or seeks to denigrate Semitic peoples
based upon race. What it does do is seek to remove their influence in our
(European American) affairs. If you have issues with the United States
being a "European" nation, take it up with our founding fathers that
clearly intended that to be the case.

F.) The belief that groups like S.O.S. will be painted as being racist
for having alliances with groups whom have been labeled as "racist" is
something that I can respect, but at the same time see as folly. You
will be painted as being "racist" regardless of whom you associate with.
The difference between you and me is that I refuse to let them
influence my behavior with baseless labels. You spent far too much time in
Victorville defending yourselves against these foolish accusations, time
that we spent interacting with the public getting our message out.

G.) The use of propaganda is something that although commonly
understood by reasonable people, is still highly effective in controlling those
same people. To win this fight against massive third world immigration
(which is what this is about, because with one stroke of a pen a
government can make illegals legal and the same issues would still exist) you
cannot focus only on the recognizable effects. You must seek to find
the root cause and stop this flood at its headwaters.
European-American's existed alongside Semites, Asians, Africans and East Asians for
thousands of years without any of the problems we face today... Why?
Because we all self-segregated, we all were free to develop our own beliefs
and cultures. This whole propaganda machine shoving multi-culturalism
down our throats every waking minute of our lives has but one purpose.
To destroy the diversity we spent thousands of years developing,
creating one global marketplace to be exploited by the ruling elite. Is it a
conspiracy? No, it is just the natural progression of capitalism
unchecked. Anyone who stands up against this trend is labeled an extremist,
racist or simply dismissed altogether. If we truly want to end the
problems associated with massive unchecked immigration we must address the
cause, which is cheap labor. That is the ONLY way.

H.) To halt to problems that our society faces due to this desire for
cheap labor, which we will call "illegal immigration" and all of its
related issues, we must first and foremost sever the nearly endless
supply that flows across our Southern Border. Can we all agree upon this
fact? As a White Nationalist I offer up the solution of allowing those
of European decent the chance to disassociate with those whom can not be
easily distinguished from those who make up this cheap labor pool.
Lets face the facts, we do not have a huge problem with illegal European
Immigration in our country. What is your collective solution S.O.S.?
Convince me that you have a better idea and perhaps I will choose to
support it instead of mine.

I.) The baseless characterizations of people in our group as being
"uneducated", "hicks" or "rednecks" is simply untrue. I have a B.A. in
History from the University of California-Santa Barbara, on my corner
stood an Attorney and a UCLA Pre-Law student, amongst others whose
pedigrees are unknown to me. Our side is completely capable of exchanging
ideas with your side to come up with some sort of a workable solution that
we can all set aside our differences in support of, however, until this
thread your side has been quick to dismiss anyone who does not think
within your narrow limitations.

J.) At some point S.O.S. is going to have to come to grips with the
fact that there will be times when groups will find common cause and
choose to organize alongside your protests. This can be a powerful tool if
you guys use it to your advantage instead of whining about how it is a
detriment. If you do not already have a person whose purpose is to
reach out to these groups then you should think about assigning someone
this task. I'm not only speaking of groups whom you would find
"controversial" but what about Veteran's groups, Law Enforcement groups,
legitimate third political parties, American cultural groups (DAR, etc.)?
Working together you will have a greater impact then working alone.

Please if your only response to this is going to include the word
"jooooos" or consist of a one sentence dismissal save your time. I'm only
interested in dealing with people who see the commonality in our beliefs
and wish to bridge the gap between us to strengthen our effort to keep
Californian culture American. You certainly have a right to fight this
cause in any way you see fit, but there is some wisdom to the statement
"United we stand, divided we fall."

We will be at Baldwin Park 2, we will have some "skinhead" types in our
company and we will support the removal of the racist statements on
this monument. We will also not be intimidated by words, sticks or
stones. If the police fail to protect us, we will protect ourselves. If you
want to stand beside us, we welcome you, if you choose to segregate
from us, c'est la vie! Good luck.

Advocate is a financial contributor? How so? Do you have hard information on this? What does his affiliation have to do with classifying the whole lot of us as racist?
I got news for you guy(or girl). If association by proximity is the criteria for classifying a racist, you are all so too. There are racist attitudes all across the globe, and right in your neighborhood(cell if appropriate) So if you live among them, work among them, eat in restaurants next to them, then using your classification system, you fit the mold too. Let's put the monkey on your back and see if you feed it or cast it off. Show us how you get rid of the racists in your everyday life. Be a role model for us

Where ever and when ever it appears by immediate and vocal disapproval. Or ostracization. Period. If your want to claim humanity instead of mousehood.

the 'ol your just as bad as we are rhetoric


and racism anywhere in any unrelated way equals racists banding together to have a cause to hide behind in order to gain support

then topped off with racism is undeniable (implying it's a constant - an attempt to justify "white space")


gee I'd hire a professional PR agency if I was you - this pisspoor weak manipulative style is pretty transparent

You tap danced like a fool on that post Hex., thereby living up to your screen name.(so many sides, not much in the center)To make a holier than thou claim, you should be able to provide the racist free podium from which to hurl your accusations.
Show me the proof. How will you rid yourself of racists? Until you can, your argument will just point out the obvious. That there are racists everywhere. By screaming it on the streets and writing it on forums,you will just ensure that everyone is aware of racists, and they will then be able to identify them in your crowd too. Racism is alive, kicking and growing like a cancerous weed within your own ranks. Once it attains critical mass, they will turn on you. The whole world is well aware that Hitler executed his own aides, subordinates, and friends when his paranoia and whim exceeded his perception of reality; and without regard to race or creed either. It isn't the racism hex; it's the madness. Look at the people you are partnering up with too.....
Madness can't be stopped with a bullhorn

> so many sides, not much in the center

no my handle refers to chaining 6 (hex) proxies




> hurl your accusations


the data hurls - I only post it, the data being the hundred-odd links from extreme racist websites *pointing at SOS's* website

Argue with Google


> How will you rid yourself of racists? / there are racists everywhere / identify them in your crowd too.


Have any um- proof of that ?




> Racism is alive, kicking and growing like a cancerous weed within your own ranks.


"your crowd - your ranks" - what crowd or rank do you think I'm aligned with ?

A vicious gang of radio pirates ? Does playing Unwelcome Guests make me racist ?




Does the concept of ad hoc mean anything to you ? Attack the messenger rather than the LINKS


Results 1 - 10 of about 296 linking to www.saveourstate.org/. (0.16 seconds)

there - attack that

google the monkey

And my point was, that there are racists everywhere. So are there a percentage of gays within our group; A percentage of right wing christians; A percentage of alien sympathizers; a percentage of leftist too. you cannot go to the YMCA, MECHA; or the state capitol without encountering someone with racist views. the thing is we at SOS discourage the behaviour of extreme racism, but we haven't denied those who are willing to work towards a better attitude on that charactaristic, an opportunity to be heard on the issues we feel threaten the entire country. Here is your method of inclusion:

Does playing Unwelcome Guests make me racist ?

So if I'm unwelcome for simply providing a view other than your own, doesn't this make you the bigoted one?
How about it everyone else here? Do you share Hex's attitude as well? Am I unwelcome on this board?

the Unwelcome Guest is a radio show..

http://www.radio4all.org/unwelcome/archive.html


racists everywhere

willing to work with them

you too

sounds like whitewashing to me


IMC is open publishing - that means everyone - I do not speak for or represent IMC in any capacity (although I have been around for years I've always maintained a certain distance excepting radio streaming where I participated in the IRC #radio channel as a sister station during a major protest some time ago as one of only a handfull of stations actually airing the stream)

I was the first pirate station to be visited by the FCC with multible transmitters going and only shut one of them down - with the FCC driving away happy with 3 other signals still on the aire, plus they took no action, no fine or impoundment as the signal they were concerned with was operating fairly close to within part 15 regulations (as a cover for the other signals they didn't even know were there as they are expecting to find only one signal - since I build my own transmitters from scratch using spare parts I can place as many signals on the aire as I want)

but that's another story..

I've been using the same handle for at least 3 years - if you want to feel more "welcome" you should do the same. The comment section is really meant for additions to news stories but there's been a few regulars over the years that carry on a bit of socializing although up until recently it was mostly the effort of an intentional trolling champaign. I traced down the involved parties and it's stopped with the last gasp being corrupting the outdated PHP as a "punishment" - but that was just updated and on a secure OS so that will not be happening anymore...

With the last of the old trolls gone that leaves only 2 people on here as "regulars" - me & sheepdog.

I try to cover scientific and technical issues and he pastes flake shit as spam which often causes conflict as I represent real science. That's not much of a social dynamic - a nerd and a flake..

But if you have any science or technical questions I can answer them and he'll shy away from them since real science is alien to him. If you bring up something flakey he'll probably respond since that's all he lives for. A guaranteed party starter would be something along the lines of "chemtrails will kill us all" - he'll jump on that.. or "aluminium is deadly", old time radio waves are for mind control and will harm you - as emitted by cellphone towers...

HAARP, ELF, "radio waves are harmful RADIATION" - anything flakey like that will do

todays spam is "radiation causing plant mutations" - Uranium dispersed thousands of miles away is the source

hahahaaaa


and Tesla is god

but be careful not to disagree or bring up real science - or he'll call you "ignorant" and refer to your corrections as "babble" - all part of his "information warfare" (verbal abuse) that his mean father "taught" him.

I'll take you advice on the welcome mat. Now don't take this the wrong way, But I'm going to point out how easy it is to get an improper or unwanted association. Take a look at the two profiles and how they are crosslinked by membership to a group.

http://www.blogger.com/profile-find.g?t=i&q=tomboys

I would give you the benefit of any doubt here, due to experience with these things. But would someone else sieze upon this and make a case for "birds of the feather?"
Not many nazis at SOS really; and we try to make a point that we don't have that bent. We don't subscribe to that gang culture. And Nazis are gangs. But you can't keep gang members out easily. the ACLU even protects them. So we just try and discourage it as best we can

is point them out specificly in "our" ranks

besides completely ignoring privilege/citizenship - attacking the powerless while ignoring the real problem of big business - the same big business that bankrolls your astroturf-roots movement

whitewashing 2

you make racism sound wholesome and inescapable

like a hate pusher

like your leader the puppetmaster

Dad was a gentle man. He really didn't like his job in counter intelligence 'cause he didn't like killing people. Even the enemy.
Mom was the mean one. All of us were scared of her. A pure Scott.

Both my older brothers (twins, Godamnit!) look like foreigners....

Davi Anthony Rodrigues

(916) 379-9170

AyatollahGondola@Aol.com

Why would it be necessary to do so? The point all along was to show you how easy it is to get associated with something you don't necessarily believe in. If all that you want me to do is show you racisim within your group, then show me a group of 900 people or so that you belong too and I can do it. You can pollute the issue with all kinds of other thoughts, but that will not solve this problem. I am not a proponent of Nazism. I've stated I don't like gang mentality at all. I am married interacially, and have children that are not welcome within the whites only, Nazi, racial separate groups. But just as we can't deny you a presence on any open forum, or at an advertised event, I can't do it them legally also. If you have a method that works to that end, why not share it with us rather than being so critical.
I have spoken with at least 3 posters from the SOS counter protestors group, and it seems we have a lot of common enemies. What we don't have is common goals. So we a 50% chance of doing some good for each side here if we start communicating without bullhorns, shouting, and personal assaults

the dirty, rotten Nazi loving sumbag that goes by the name of "AyatollahGondola" on the evil aryan supremacist SOS website is....


DAVI ANTHONY RODRIGUES
RANCH CORDOVA (SACRAMENTO AREA)
(916) 379-9170

WARNING: this vile "Hijo de Puta" is on probation, probably for hate crimes against Latinos, Afro-Americans, Asians, and others who "do not belong in the 4th Reich"

DaisyChain wrote:
"Who is Advocacte? The long time SOS member and source of financial support?
Give ya a hint...

Attorney in beach area of Los Angeles."

i'll look into it!!!!

William Matsos the Nazi wrote:

"White Nationalism is the belief that people of European heritage
have a right to their own living space ...."

the Nazis referred to this VERY SAME CONCEPT as "Lebensraum", the belief that the Aryan race needed their own "living room", which was the justification for their aggressive, bellicose, and expansionist policies.


Willie the Nazi continues....

"The baseless characterizations of people in our group as being "uneducated", "hicks" or "rednecks" is simply untrue. I have a B.A. in History from the University of California-Santa Barbara...."

Nazi please!!!! The Princeton Review has just ordained UCSB (U Can Study Buzzed!!!) as the #1 party school in California!!!
If you that earning a piece of toilet paper from this institution somewhow makes you part of the "intelligencia", fuggetaboutit!!!!!

the dirty, rotten Nazi loving sumbag that goes by the name of "AyatollahGondola" on the evil aryan supremacist SOS website is....


DAVI ANTHONY RODRIGUES
RANCH CORDOVA (SACRAMENTO AREA)
(916) 379-9170

WARNING: this vile "Hijo de Puta" is on probation, probably for hate crimes against Latinos, Afro-Americans, Asians, and others who "do not belong in the 4th Reich"
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No...Not on probation. Many errors here:
Ranch(o) Cordova (kinda sounds south American, huh?)
Sumbag would probably sound better with a "C";.....Unless you were a math major?
And if you have been paying closer attention, you'd see that I also married into one of the other catagories you mentioned. Is that the hate crime part?

the hideous, crystal meth mongoring, Nazi loving, fascist promulgating SOB at SOS, Gianluca Zanna AKA "newamerican", from Apple Valley, is herein identified. Check out his outlaw biker headshot and his insane, diabolic soliloquy by clicking.....

http://unitedstates.fm/newamerican.htm

Nazi whore JUNE HENSLEY, bus driver from San Bernardino, is the hag on the right, seen here with evil aryan supremacist Barbara Coe at the Baldwin Park 2 demo

http://lang.sgvtribune.com/socal/gallery2/news/062505_protest1/1.jpg

Why don't you ID some of the REAL Nazis? Scared? or is it too hard?

How about Advocate> Or some of the Nazi flag wavers. Not that hard, really.

ID ing people who are public anyway is pretty lame and you seem to prefer ID ing the immigrants at SOS..hmmm

So are you a coward? Or you one of the Nazi's? OUting the non whites from SOS?

Giving out personal info on while remaining anonyous. WOW What ya goin to do next? Door Bell Ditch?

Hey, say that to Luca in person. HA HA HA HA Dare ya

Why don't you ID some of the REAL Nazis? Scared? or is it too hard?

How about Advocate> Or some of the Nazi flag wavers. Not that hard, really.

ID ing people who are public anyway is pretty lame and you seem to prefer ID ing the immigrants at SOS..hmmm

So are you a coward? Or you one of the Nazi's? OUting the non whites from SOS?

Giving out personal info on while remaining anonyous. WOW What ya goin to do next? Door Bell Ditch?

Hey, say that to Luca in person. HA HA HA HA Dare ya

the soporific one said......

"Or you one of the Nazi's? OUting the non whites from SOS? "

....are you implying that my name is Joe Turner????

Not that I am white or anything, but I think that it is very funny that you goons think the Palestinians should have their own space, but if the Jews, or God forbid the whites want their own space, it is evil! Amazing hypocrisy.

I do not think anyone should have their own exclusive place if it comes to kicking those that are already there out, something I am sure you all support.

He is not a Nazi, just because

Just because he is a member of the KKK.
Just because he writes about "the Jews and the Kennedys" and "Pink Swastikas"
Just because he posts on Stormfrong
Just because he attends White Power Events
Just because he has his pictures taken with White Nationals,
Just because he was booted from a John and Ken event for passing out White National literature...
Just because he plays with his Himmler doll and goose steps around his apartment in...

Does not make him Nazi.
oh no

add your comments

Naw Turner is no racist...more likely OP or polar bear or william or CAbearrepublic

Hey you trash mouthed freak, I just dug up something you wrote a while back about me and the boy...

"it's NOT the fault of day-laborers that Don's son is too much of a punk-ass to defend himself!!!! (the punk OBVIOUSLY takes after his father)"

Now, I have had my phone # up here (I posted it) FOREVER, yet you never have called me to express your strong feelings ! Now, I am not one for confrontation, but if you want to say something like the above, why don't you tell me personally on the phone, you keyboard coward ?

Talk a big game, now put up, or zip your coward indymedia posting little fruitloop self up.

...Don, how's your candyass son doin' (like father, like son, as they say)

too bad that the guys that beat the living crap out of your demon-spawn progeny couldn't "finish the job", they would have done us all a BIG favor by eliminating your inbred, incestuous DNA from humanity's gene pool.

...and as for your so-called "challenge" to call you up: I prefer the more personal, "in your face" type of interaction.

you should know this: I was all up in your face at the Alhambra Home Depot demo: you WEREN'T such a badass then!!!! (MEOW!)

Indymedia is the pits!
The reason WE NEED TO CLOSE OUR BORDERS!
And pry citizenship from American traitors!

Indymedia lies and fucks American citizens!

Screw Indymedia thug fuckers!

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Looks like a gang to me. Flashing gang signs; wearing gang apparrel; some gang colors too. The problem is, just like so many other gangs, they believe carrying a national flag lends them credibility. Just like those who rally with a mexican flag here in the states and carry signs in spanish. They think they are being patriotic when in fact they are just being foolish.
It just doesn't matter what race, color, or creed you are. A fool is a fool.

NO one was in my face in Alhambra. Were you the white kid that was flipping everyone off ? I blew you a kiss I believe.

You are sucha trash talker and liar. You can not even call me on the phone, and you expect everyone to believe you on here about Alhambra?

Tell you what, since you refuse to call me and set up a meeting, why don't you just BRING it at the next protest, silly jacktard. You know what I look like, and where I will be. Come on up, introduce yourself, and go ahead and talk your trash there. Maybe you would like to 'finish it' as you say you would have liked the boy to have been.

As with all goons, you are all talk, or should I say all type, becuzz you will not even call me on the phone !

Coward. I called you out, and you back off. Ha !

Need the # again ? 818 601 8407

if you guys are really sickened by them then why lend the neo nazi your signs? this is not the first time the neo nazi have been to your rallies and have been using sos signs. and you can see them side by side with SOSers and it look like you guys are having a party. do u want me too pull up some pictues?

and one more thing, how do u figure out people are in gangs. it looks to me they have regular clothes on. wearing a usa flag shirt, black shirts, shorts, hats, white shirts, etc. dont tell me you dont have those clothes.

None of us can stop people from making up an SOS sign and standing with it at one of their functions. Neither can we prevent SOS members from acting like fools. We dis-associate with them, but it is many posters here that keep dredging up old references and trying to make it todays news.
As far as gang classification;
It is a combination of the charactaristics that lends itself to the label. the attitude, the dress, the hand signs. Someone dressing a certain way isn't enough. But dressing a certain way, sporting certain markings on the body, starts to lean that direction; Add gang signs and foriegn flags (Nazi Germany or Mexican national) and it is hard not to see it that way.
Happy labor day Chivo

The signs in Victorville were made by us at the site, and they grabbed them before they really made themselves clear for the most part. We were not about to ask for them back. It only matters to duane Roberts, who deperately wants to make this connection between our groups, that frankly does not exist. There is no connection. They show up just like everyone else does. The signs at laguna must have been left overs, or they got them from someone that did not know what was going on. We really do not have meetings about these kinds of things since we are not racists to begin with, and just want to show up and protest.

the christian nazi Don Silva has said.....

>>>"NO one was in my face in Alhambra. Were you the white kid that was flipping everyone off ? I blew you a kiss I believe.

>>>You are sucha trash talker and liar. You can not even call me on the phone, and you expect everyone to believe you on here about Alhambra?

>>>Tell you what, since you refuse to call me and set up a meeting, why don't you just BRING it at the next protest, silly jacktard. You know what I look like, and where I will be. Come on up, introduce yourself, and go ahead and talk your trash there. Maybe you would like to 'finish it' as you say you would have liked the boy to have been.

>>>As with all goons, you are all talk, or should I say all type, becuzz you will not even call me on the phone !

>>>Coward. I called you out, and you back off. Ha !

>>>Need the # again ? 818 601 8407''

so.... you want some more of me? the dose I gave you in Alhambra wasn't stong enough?

I'll tell you what: why don't you and your merry band of Nazis at SOS COME BACK TO ALHAMBRA AND WE WILL SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

....and everyday you refuse to come back here is another day that you've lived as a sorry, sad, pathetic, trifling, loathsome, dirty, dispicable, degenerate, disgraceful, bottom-feeding, turd-eating, good-for-nothing CANDYASS!!!