According to the accounts below the Stormfront racists were also there and stood shoulder to shoulder with SOS (just like BP).

Once again SOS stands side by side with white supremacists. According to the account below Advocate, Old Preach and other showed up and represented WN (White Nationalists).

Earlier this week Old Preach lit up the indymedia board with his over the top stereotyping of African-Americans.

Check this thread for details:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/132384_comment.php#132864

Account from “Baldy”
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2024168#post2024168

Loud in Laguna

Laguna Beach, California. Idle rich people, artsy fartsy talent shows, a temperate climate and great surf. Until…… White Racists show up! Approximately 40 pissed-off White people showing great displeasure at the Laguna Beach’s funding of a very nice shelter for illegal aliens.

Dixieland_Delight and her boyfriend, Advocate (who’s not her boyfriend), oldpreach and a few of Dixie’s boyfriend’s friends represented WN. We mingled a little, made some excellent connections, bonded even more and woke a few people up to the fact that there is a troubled world outside their secure little beach community.

There were 4 cops present. One was directing traffic into the Art Festival, two were watching me and one was in a SUV watching everyone else.

A White jogger knocked one of the protesters sign down and was quickly arrested or at least roughed up by the two Baldy-watching cops. A bit of excitement in the first few minutes, for sure (see Jogger picture).


The browns had a rag-tag group across the broad boulevard who, as it turned out, rely on the protection of the police way more than we do. I’ll leave my dramatic story for others to tell because I’ve been known to inflate my ego beyond the known universe.


It was a good day. All the words in the world can not equal 3 hours of protest.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218614&highlight=laguna+beach


Account from Advocate
http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3209&st=80

Great rally.

After wards some friends and I "marched" into Laguna Beach ("LB") proper to eat and continue demonstrating. I have an 8' by 3' banner, professionally produced with white letters on a navy blue background that says simply: "DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS" and underneath it has www.SaveOurState.org. After displaying it at the main rally, I rolled it up and we carried it with us to eat in LB. The restaurant was accross the street from the grassy park between us and the beach. There was already and anti-war demonstration there and we had a 20 minuite wait for a table. Waiting outside the resturant on the sidewalk of a busy thoroughfare, we just unrolled the banner and held it up for traffic until our table was ready. You take your opportunities as you find them.

After we ate, we went out and the anti-war group was replaced by an anti-drug war, legalize marijuana group. (!) It's as though they protest in shifts in tolerant, open minded LB.

Well we moved down away from the marijuana group after they asked us not to interfere with their gig. There was plenty of room for all and the lady apparently in charge was very courteous in asking if we would consider moving and we were happy to accomodate her. Frankly, I don't want to be associated with pot heads any more than she wants to be associated with "racists" and "Neo-Nazis" so I was happy to move away.

What an eye opener. The tolerant, open minded people of LB showed a whole new side. Many motorists were supportive with horns and thumbs up, but some others shouted obscenities and one tolerant, open minded "minority" pedestrian tried to start a fist fight with me. He was some kind of minority with a weird accent I didn't recognize, but not a Mexican. Afterward one of my friends say he was Arab or Middle Eastern.

He just appeared out of the throng and started screaming at me. I could tell by the way he faced me directly, exposing the full width of the front of his torso to me that he was just a fat ugly pig with a big mouth...not a real fighter. As he got louder and became more physically threatening (!) I measured the distance and the angle for a preemptive thrust into his larynx. People with crushed larynx's who are gasping for breath quickly loose interest in fighting anyone. Luckily, (for both of us) somebody he was with friend pulled him back. He pretended to struggle with his friend and told me how he would have kicked my ass if someone was not there to stop him. How lucky for me!

We marched the same way with the unfurled banner back to our parking area about a mile away. Walking through friendly LB, motorists called us "racists", "neo-nazis", etc.

One tolerant friendly motorists slowed down, leaned out of the drivers window, gave us the finger and started yelling with her car still moving. Screaming insults and giving us the finger, she did not see the light change and almost ploughed in to a crosswalk full of pedestrians.

I LOVE IT WHEN THEY DO THAT!


Except for the fat pig who wanted to fight me and who appeared to be some kind of arab or middle easterner, all the others were white. I guess they don't like the idea of raking their own leaves and scrubbing their own toilets for a change after their pet Mexicans are deported.

Well the white Southron's fought a civil war to keep their slaves, why should we think the white liberals will fight any less stubbornly to keep their pet Mexicans.

According to the Stormfront post, he represented WN (White Nationalism) today. Way to go, little bo peep, combine this with your racist postings on indymedia and you've really hit the racism jackpot this week.
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/132384.php

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the accounts of the SOS protest in Laguna Beach were taken directly from the Stormfront website and the SOS website

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Thanks for the detailed report Next Move.

This summary of events really puts things together. By keeping this is the media, even if it's just this underground site, it's helping people piece together this virulent group. Two recent facts, for folks stumbling onto this page:

* Joe Turner, Executive Director of SOS, incited an assault against a counter protester in 1996, because another counter protester next to him was waving a flag of Mexico. At the time, the counter-protest was tiny, and the anti-immigrant protest was large.

* A minimum of three (out of six or seven) protests by SOS have been attended, in an organized fashion, by National Alliance, a fascist white supremacist group, which has self organized partly because of SOSs efforts. SOS has not fought or truly opposed the facsist group.

..I'm supposed to be impressed by a bunch of ignorant crackers and tio tacos riling up "white pride"
in white, upper crust Laguna Beach. Its like the idiots trying to educate the insane. I'm sure many of the pale-faces and their token minority upper class kin took a flyer, said "yeah, no more illegals," then went back to their estate where "Jorge" mows their lawn, and "Maria" cooks their food and wipes their baby's ass. These morons act like they're gonna fill in all those servant positions with crackers--why do you think LB supports undocumented laborers in the first place. Republicans and artsy-fartsy liberals love their cheap labor. The white supremacists at sos and stormfront are the same shit with the same smell. They don't care about economics--if they did they would be taking down the elite instead of kissing their ass.

That "employers exploit day laborers" sign is questionable. I was under the impression that the people made better money on the street than by working for temp companies like Labor Ready.

It's the usual contractor/labor deal. When you're in a situation to be structurally exploited, sometimes, the best thing to do is leave the structure. Then you seek out other's who, like you, are willing to take a risk. The worker makes more money, and the client saves money.

The strucurally exploitative companies have to make some profit, and it gets difficult when the best labor opts to leave the system. So, they will do things to maintain a profit margin; what they do is fail to pay workers, undercount hours, and do a lot of other deception.

This isn't the first time workers opted out of structural exploitation. Back during the Bracero guest-worker program, people abandoned their jobs and went into the day laboring underground, seeking better wages and work conditions.

There were also the runaway slaves, a long time ago.

Still smarting from the disaster at Garden Grove., the Progessives fail to do anything to confront the racists at Laguna Beach today.

The supposed liberal residents welcomed the flag waving Save Our State members and cheered a surprise visit by Minuteman Founder Jim Gilchrist.

Such is the Strength of SOS. They have the courage to do into "enemy" territory of Baldwim Park, but the Progessives will not venture into Orange County.

In an attempt at historical revisionism, Old Preach's name has been removed from the account of the Laguna Beach protest written by Baldy and posted on Stormfront.

The copy and paste above is accurate to the original as is the copy/paste of Advocate's account. Nothing was edited or changed by me as was claimed on the SOS board.

The editing was actually done after the fact, by the original poster (Baldy), when SOS's blatant racism was exposed.

Baldy writes this on the SOS forum:

"I put oldpreach's name in the Stormfront list to honor him, as is my way.

Oldpreach is a fine man and I would stand behind him no matter what.

To lessen the outrage from you, I have deleted oldpreach's name from the SF post, but not from our memory.

SOS people are the best and I hope I was of some assistance today."

This is taken from the Stormfront message board. It proves the SOS - white supremicist ties.

Dixieland Delight who is an admitted member of a Victorville area white supremicist group writes about how willing SOS is to work with them and tells about how SOS has been used as a recruiting tool for know racist/fascist groups like the National Vanguard. She is writing about the Laguna Beach protest.

Dixieland Delight writes:

"this protest was awesome, and quite telling of how much SOS is willing to work with us and appreciates our presence after BP 2. We've gone from being segregated to our own corner in Victorville to being welcomed, and now a lot of them are interested in attending OUR events"

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218614&page=1&pp=10&highlight=laguna


Yup, I was the one in the black tank top.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218614&page=2&highlight=laguna

Just to make it easy to spot them, look at their shoelaces. The Neo Nazis wear red ones (usually with combat boots). If you look at the girl in the first picture, she is a Nazi. It would be good to start working on intel on these people. We could post flyers in their neighborhoods with warnings to people of color, homosexuals, and people of other faiths that there is a domestic terrorist in their area, and have a picture of their face posted. This would not work for all the SOSers, as only some of them are Nazis. But the non-Nazis could be a danger to people of color. I think it is also time to start organizing protests outside their residences. Any suggestions?

I agree, it is time to step things up a bit. Here is a poster we could use for the Nazi Girl.

But the non-Nazis could be a danger to people of color. I think it is also time to start organizing protests outside their residences. Any suggestions?

Yes email me

Indymedia commies!

You mean to tell the world that the Blacks at the Laguna Festival rally were rallying with Nazis?

WOW!
Tell us more lies and show all the photos that tell the entire
story LIARS!

There were BLACKS and MEXICAN AMERICANS THERE!
Why aren't you showing all the pictures?
Afraid to show the truth? LOL

Why not start with the organizer?

/05 LA Times Laguna Rally
OCAngel Posted on: Jul 17 2005, 09:13 AM

And I am making a comment at the city council meeting this Tuesday at 3:30. If anyone can come in support it would be appreciated.
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If the Laguna City Council sees some pictures and postings from the Stormfronters, I am guessing the day laborer site will be there for a long time.

Why are Nazis allowed to giver full reports on LA indymeida a sif they are regualr people doing regular protests, snd then linking to the white supremacist, terrorist, and just plain vulgar site call Stormfront. This should be removed form indymedia at once.

SOS and the National Vanguard need to be exposed for what they are. . . racists and fascists. A report like this exposes them.

I'll hide that Simon P one.

The main report was a repost by an ally. Perhaps he should have written a little more of a lead-in and then done something to distinguish the story. As we can see, the fascists are starting to realize they need to hide their racism to build their alliance with SOS.

anybody can stand "shoulder to shoulder" with save our state. we don't do background checks on who attends our protests. so why is it any surprise that 2 or 3 white nationalists happen to come and lift up a banner? i've never met these people, but if i do at a future event (i missed this one), i'll gladly confront them.

you open-border/communist/anarchist agitators can do all the finger-wagging you want, you can clamor to make guilty-by-association accusations, but it will never stop the truth and the law. the sleeping giant has already woken up, and that giant is the american people.

i will state right here, as an american of latino descent, that i will never stop debating, protesting, and fighting illegal immigration and lax immigration/border enforcement.

viva la migra.

Well said, Mike.

One big difference between immigration reform advocates and those on the other side is that we condemn the hate groups that try to use our cause for their own despicable purposes, while I can't recall ever having heard an open borders leftist condemn the supremacists that participate in their demonstrations.

It was made know to me, while I was at the border confonting your voilent buddies that were assaulting peopleon private prop at the VFW, that you all were here talking some serious indymedia propaganda.

Well, I really do not care much about what spin you all put upon it all. I have come here openly, and have told you all the full truth every time. Nothing to hide here...we post all this on SOS and you all know it.

If I hold a banner with someone that says 'SOS' on it along with deport illegals, that does not make me a W/N, or a supporter of W/N, or anyother sep. group, including sep groups that you all have no problem with , such as the Brown Berets. You all are hypocrites of the highest order, and I suggest that you are careful from this point forward, becuzz I will not hesitate to file a lib/slander lawsuit if you do not represent the facts correctly.

Again, 1p1p, watch the content of what you allow here. Your consent = publishing = you are legally responsible.

Don/oldpreach/littlebopeep

Yes, I am not scared of being know for a stand for truth.

WEhat's interesting is that this time around they have females among them.

Little Bo Peep, what was incorrect about the story? The material was taken directly from the SOS and Stormfront site with a little bit of commentary added. The fact is Baldy cited "oldpreach" as someone that "represented WN".

Obviously, when someone told him that was a misrepresentation he corrected his post and deleted your name from the original. This story was compiled before the correction was made by Baldy.

He even said in a later post that the reason he added your name in the first place was because he likes you and thinks highly of you.

Show where the facts are wrong and stop with the lame threats. Your name wasn't even given out. How could this be libel?

here is another pic of Gestappo girl MEGAN NICOLE PARIGI, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with all of her fellow Nazis from Joe Turner's SOS at the Baldwin Park 2 rally. This PROVES that Turner and the SOS are working for the "4th Reich" . I thought World War 2 was supposed to have ended Nazi rallies!!!

click to see the Gestappo girl......
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/bp2_0042.jpg

"Again, 1p1p, watch the content of what you allow here. Your consent = publishing = you are legally responsible."

Don,

Just curious, do you think I am in control here or something? I am a media activist, which means I grab my camera, and go report. For as long as your group has been coming here, you don't have a clue to how indymedia runs, or what it is about, do you?

I know the game 1p. You are basically the mod/admin/overseer here, right ? If so, you are resposible if anyone asks you to do something about any possible illegal doings.

The owner/propri's are at the top of the chain. They are the ones i am really talking to thru you.

Just be careful, thats all. I am not a sue freak....but ruining someone's reputation without the essential facts is criminal, and you can be sued easily.

Basically, i am done posting here becuzz I do not have the time, and there are just so many unreasonable folks that want to get personal with us. getting personal and wanting to go to peoples houses is something that I would never do to you guys.

I think you got the essetials wrong. Never mind. All that I am talking about is what is still up, and that is that I am 'representing' W/N. Never have, never will.

My full name is on this site, and the connection is being made. This is libel. At this point, it does not effect my life really , so there is no damage. No dame = no case usually. So, can we At least just get the facts right about each other? That is all...

I didn't make it up. It was copy/pasted directly from Stormfront (Baldy's post). He changed it after the fact (probably after he saw the post here). If anybody engaged in libel it was him. When stuff is posted on a public forum like stormfront, it is in the public. Copying and pasting it from another website is not libel, even if the author later changes his post.

I intended on using the stormfront post to illustrate the fact that SOS and NV work together (you're name just happened to be there).

Honestly, I think you're probably a nice guy and not a hardcore racist. You're probably a passionate guy that jumps right into the things he believes in just like a lot of us.

I was not aware that your name was on the site here although I did put 2 and 2 together and get your name, etc from a newspaper article about a month ago. I have no intention of posting it.

However, SOS was/is being used as a recruiting tool for the National Vanguard (baldy's group) and that's not cool.

It's too bad you're not going to post here anymore. This is the only place for SOS to engage their opposition on the net, since the SOS site is heavily monitored and not an open forum.

"I know the game 1p. You are basically the mod/admin/overseer here, right ? If so, you are resposible if anyone asks you to do something about any possible illegal doings."

Thats what I mean. To be honest, I have never even met the mod/admin/overseer. I just grab a cam and go, post what I see, hear, and catch on tape. This is an open newswire where anyone can publish the news.

Putting someone's perspnal info on line is not cool at all. Anyone notice the only people outed were the Nazis and the Hispanic members of SOS?

I wonder if a White National in SOS is trying to get rid of the brown members?

White Nationals ARE showing up at SOS events and that is NOT good for anyone.

Notice the one person who was speaking up against the White Nationals has been banned from the group?

I don't want t out her because she is really OK. I talked to her at one of the rallys. She has worked with RAWA for years.

one of the Hispanics you outed has been banned from SOS as well.

Outing people may not be cool, but showing up at our place of work and then taking pictures of people wanting to hire us is not cool either. The Nazis are the easy target because they are stupid enough to make it easy, but this is not about political affiliation, it is about your people making it impossible for me to feed my family. You are attacking me, my family, and my people, trying to starve us out, deny us the ability to have an opportunity to benefit myself. I am legally here, and work as a day laborer (choice I have made), and your people attacked me for it (a LOT of us ARE legally here, but you don’t care). I will make a deal with you. If you stop showing up at my work, I will stop telling everyone where you sleep at night. Deal?

Out me to the public and I'll respond two fold...
Stop illegal immigrantion and the wholesale discrimination against others that would like to besides the Mexican population. Scream all you want but you know no Caucasian or African or Asian American would be tolerated standing next to you looking for work.

Out me...

Technically, Next Move didn't "out" anybody. If you pay attention to and/or read the actual material posted in the story here you can see that the L.A. Times actually revealed Baldy's identity and presumably he did so as well by relaying that information to the reporter. I simply put 2 and 2 together.

Don,

We released public information about some dangerous fringe elements within your organization. This is because they present a clear and present danger to people of color. We are restraining ourselves to respect the citizens that may be ignorant, but not "evil". This is not to say that our moles within your organization have not done a great job in collecting data on all of your members. Here is an example:

Donald D. **LVA
**Address Withheld**
Van Nuys, CA
818-6*1-8**7 (At&t Wireless)

Our file has a lot of information in it about you and everyone else. I do not want to publish it now, but in the event that any of your members do cross the line, we will turn it over to the police and publish it in the news.

The only reason we released this censored info is so you know that we are not stalking people, most of our work on current members are done, the only reason we are leaving the moles in place is to gather intelligence on future members. We need to protect the safety undocumented workers, and have worked hard to do so. When one person chases a person of color down in the street, we will expose that person, and all those that support that person. As you saw, an incident happened, and we reacted. We had this intelligence for several weeks before the assault happened. Therefore, we do not need to find you, we already know, and we are not planning on outing you, so long as you do not cross the line here or in San Diego.

I'm not Old Preach.

I have nothing to hide, but I'm still alot more cautious in guarding my identity, then the casual internet user.

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I highly doubt you work as a day laborer. You're claiming to do so to claim some legitimacy for your arguments. Most likely, you are a student. If you really did work as a day laborer, you'd know that 90% or more of those at the day laborer centers ARE illegal. Don't take my word for it, take the word of the liberal UCLA faculty whom studied exactly that issue:

Here's the URLs:
1) A News Article - the below is one URL, cut and paste in its entirety[http://easyreader.hermosawave.net/news2002/storypage.asp?StoryID=20025463&IssuePath=news2005/0113]

2) The full UCLA report by professor Abel Valenzuela from the Cesar Chavez Center at UCLA:
[http://www.weingart.org/institute/research/colloquia/pdf/DayLaborerStudy.pdf]

You're outright lying, ACT UP. Now, you've been caught in your lies.