Why is it that the pro-immigration advocates refuse to debate or address the real world issues, but instead label everyone that wants our nations laws enforce a 'racist' and 'bigot'? Because they want to disarm their opponents, instigate racial hatred and division, and prevent the enforcement of our nations laws for a select and priviledge ethnic group.

As a race and culture, I think Latinos are wonderful people with a rich cultural heritage. My step mother is a Mexican citizen. But this debate isn't about race and it isn't about human rights. Despite the slander of the libereal left, It is NOT a basic human right for everyone on the planet to migrate and reside in the United States. It is a PRIVILEGE for legal citizens and legal immigrants to live here. A PRIVILEGE granted by the US government.

But the far left will argue that LATINOS have a god-given human right to live here in their sacred AZTLAN and that all non-Latinos should be expelled as foriegn invaders. OK, so who's the racist and bigot here? How would the Latino community feel if they were suddenly displaced in housing and jobs by 3,000,000 Pakistanis migrating freely into Southern CA, taking their jobs for $30/month? They would suddenly scream about the injustice and the crimes of allowing all those Pakistanis to migrate unchecked into "their country". They would suddenly lobby fiercly for the rigorous enforcement of our immigration laws ... against this one ethnic group of Pakistanis.

You think this isn't a fair comparison? Why not? The only difference is in the physical issues in immigrating from Central America versus Pakistan. Why should Latinos and Pakistanis be treated any different? Oh, MECHA claims that Latinos are a 'special' race that have a god-given right to the American SouthWest, and that all other ethnic groups should be expelled, violently if necessary.

Again, what hypocrites for a group that calls itself "La Raza" to label others as 'racists' that simply want immigration into our country to be legal and adhere to our government's laws. The only reason they do so is because they themselves are racists and bigots.

Let's all put the race card down for a moment and ask how would YOU solve the very REAL problems presented by unchecked, unlimited immigration by ANY foreign national of ANY ethnicity? Our classrooms are overcrowded and our school systems struggle to provide anything but the basic educational resources to our children. Our healthcare systems are shutting down under the massive burden of providing care for the uninsured. We are saddling our children and grandchildren with TRILLIONS of dollars of budget deficits that they will pay for through their taxes and the damage to the US economy in the world market. Our prisons are overflowing with illegal alien criminals. Our law enforcement agencies are ignoring non-violent crimes because they are overwhelmed with gangs, drugs, and street violence. There are vast areas of our nations metropolitan areas that are the domain of violent gangs and are basically unsafe for anyone other than local residents and the police. The vast majority of illegal aliens facing deportation proceedings disappear into the masses and never show for their court hearings. The costs of providing social services to illegal aliens and the lost tax revenue due to the cash-only under-the-counter employment market favored by illegal aliens COSTS our government $65 BILLION PER YEAR and growing!

These are REAL problems that have NOTHING to do with race. These issues aren't being voiced by racists and bigots ... they are being raised by concerned US Citizens who's wallets are funding the bill for the unmitigated and wonton abrogation of our nation's immimgration laws. They aren't asking for a stop to all immmigration ... our nation was founded on immigration ... they are asking for our government to stop ILLEGAL immigration of ANY foriegn national, regardless of race or ethnicity.

I've pretty much given up debating the activists here at LA Indymedia. It's like cheating at a game of chess - you have checkmated your opponent and then he/she unilaterally decides that the checkmated king can move 2 spaces per turn instead of 1.

A perfect example, I provided links to some sound and comprehensive studies that show illegals take more in taxpayer-provided benefits than they could ever possibly pay in taxes. Their response? All these guys do here is label (so much for being true “progressives”). The study was from a "think tank" (yes, so what’s your point), they’re associated with "Fox News" (Fox will report on their studies, but that does not mean Fox owns the think tank), you’re a “Republican” (no, actually I’m an independent and despise our current president for being so pro-corporate and open-borders), and so on and so on.

Another example: I provided “anchor baby” poncho 3 occupations hit hard by illegal immigration, throwing Americans and legal U.S. residents out of work, and he'll make up something like that they're union occupations. Most landscapers or construction workers I know are not in a union. The stats on union membership in the U.S. are around 20-25% of all jobs. You will give them fact after fact, and they will simply ignore them and continue to label you. And, of course, their favorite cut is calling you a “racist” just because you support legal immigration but oppose illegal immigration, and believe our borders need to be secured.

Yet one more example: I ‘outed’ one of the prime instigators here at Indymedia, proving this guy was a militant atheist and an extremist whom harasses people whom believe in religion, and further that this guy lives in an ultra-white gated community (yet is coming to Baldwin Park to celebrate diversity). His response? You got it, I must be a “racist.” Ironically, many of these student counter-protestors that claim to be against racism show up with signs and flags celebrating MEChE, a racist group whose motto is “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.” (Translation: For the [Chicano] Race, everything. For those outside the Race, nothing).


You are really wasting your time here. These radicals do not care about facts and will not honestly debate you on anything. They will label you “racist” just because you do not share their dreams of world socialism, and ignore all the anti-white racists in their group. And they’ll spew forth, over and over, all the buzzwords and catch phrases that get the socialists all hot and bothered: “Fox News,” “racist”, “Nazis,” “Republican,” “No person is illegal” (true, not a person, but their immigration status in the U.S. is), “We didn’t cross the border; the border crossed us” (I don’t think anyone present at Indymedia was alive in the 1840’s when Mexico’s questionable claim to what is presently the Southwest U.S. ended), “Our community is not a cesspool” (no, but if you won’t walk the streets at night for fear of your safety, there certainly is something significantly wrong with that particular town), etc. You’ll give them reasoned arguments, and will got nothing back but hypocrisy, slogans, labels and catch phrases.

Their world in one of emotions, not logic. The dream of one world, one people all living in harmony sounds good and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, right? Why let logic intrude on your warm and fuzzy dream? That "one world" may be the cause of many Americans becoming unemployed, the destruction of the middle class, cause problems like hospitals closing en masse as they're unable to cover all the services for illegals, our environment getting trashed as our population explodes (less open space, more automobile traffic and pollution, more demand for limited resources like water, electricity), etc.

You get the point. These indymedia folks will not honstly debate the issues because they don't have a leg to stand on. Their house is build on deception and lies.

P.S. - Watch how they respond to this post, and your own. They'll label and slander, and put up a lot of claimed "facts" without any supporting evidence. Distortions and lies.

Well, I guess if you're the type that just wants to spread myth, lies, and deception, and isn't really interested in seeking out truth or SOLVING the very real problems that face our society ... just call anyone that challenges you to present a well-thought out position (take your choice): a racist, bigot, white supremacist, nazi, and mentally challenged. Yeah, that's very convincing ... too bad our society and economy crumbles around our ankles for our children and grandchildren because we BURIED them under a mountain of national debt to the point where we've sold away all our country's assets to foriegn investors to fund all this utter foolishness.

How long did it take you to think up the brilliant debating point of "mentally challenged"?

In the end, it doesn't really matter whether any of us are liberal anarchists or nazi supremacists. It's a hard fact of reality that our country is running multi-Trillion dollar deficits by getting foriegn investors to fund them. If we keep this up, our country's assets will be owned by other countries. At some point in the future, this hard fact of reality is going to smack all of us in the face ... bleeding-heart liberals and conservative racists alike, on one will be able to hide. It's a fact that supplying social services to MILLIONS of illegal immigrants and the lost tax revenues of the grey-employment market costs our government $65 Billion+ per year.

If the paranoid among you distrust the media, the government, and the think tanks ... here's a source you can read and believe because they have the purest motive in the history of the world: making money. The Bears Sterns study on the economic impact of illegal immigration and the underground labor force. Bears Sterns looks at this strictly from the economic perspective: does illegal immigration and the underground employment market present an economic boon and opportunity, or does it present an economic and financial liability. They are in this game for one thing: making money. So if illegal immigration were such a positive thing for our economy, they'd be the first to defend it ... because they would want to exploit it for financial gain. If illegal immigration ultimately made our economy much more robust, folks like Bears Sterns would be at the front line defending it because it means good business to them.

Attached is the study: you can read it with an open mind or spend your time thinking up another brilliant catch phrase like "mentally challenged" that so disarms your opponents :-)