The position that the US troops are murderous thugs who deserve to be fragged may be unpopular among NYC IMC yanqui flag waver bohemian crowd, but it is very popular throughout the rest of the world, particularly in the third world where yanqui goons are committing genocide.

It is the views of the workers of the third that the elitists of the NYC IMC want to avoid a discussion of.

US troops who obey illegal orders are goons. For every yanqui goon in Iraq that dies a hundred Iraqis get to live. Human beings frag goons because goons murder human beings. Goons who want to become human beings must resist in some form.

The use of the word goon is nothing new. During the siege of Wounded Knee in 1973 members of the Guardians of the Oglala Nation were called goons because they were paid hit men, thugs for the FBI.

Goon is a suitable name for US troops who obey illegal orders.

Debate the issues instead of attacking and censoring the messenger. Personally attacking me, though it may make you feel like you’ve accomplished something, really only shows the weakness or your argument. I could insult you back with some creative writing of my own, but what’s the point? To me, this is a political debate not a schoolyard cut down contest. If you can’t handle a political debate then go back to school.

The point is that dead yanqui goons can’t kill Iraqis. The more yanqui goons that die means that more Iraqis get to live. Fragging will help bring a quicker end to the war - as we saw with the Vietnam experience - and it will save more lives on both sides. “Diplomatic solutions” are a pipe dream. How can you have diplomacy with the world’s biggest thug, the US?

According to UN figures 5000 Iraqi children were dying every month during the 1990s because of economic sanctions. The UN wanted to lift those sanctions more than once (correct me if I’m wrong) but the US vetoed it. The illegal US bombing of Iraq during the 1990s also filled some graves. Human Rights Watch reported that by the year 2000, Saddam’s policy of killing Iraqis had substantially been reduced. Saddam, during his 25-year reign, supposedly killed 300,000 Iraqis, though we don’t really know how accurate this figure is – it’s just a guess. What we do know is that only about 5000 corpses in mass graves have turned up since the US invasion of 2003. In other words, the US, in its desperation to prove that Saddam was the mass murderer the yanquis claim he is has - even after over three years of searching – has produced only scant evidence to substantiate it. But even if Saddam killed 300,000 Iraqis, he was on his worst behavior while he was an ally of the US. And furthermore, if we want to talk about mass murder in Iraq let’s talk about the 1.5 million Iraqis who were killed by US-imposed economic sanctions which US Secretary of State Madeline Albright said were “worth it”. And let’s also talk about the 100,000 Iraqis the yanqui goons have killed since 2003. In a 13-year period (from 1991 to 2004) the US killed 250,000 Iraqis in the Persian Gulf war of 1991, plus another 1.5 million Iraqis via sanctions plus another 100,000 from 2003-2004. That comes to 1.85 million Iraqis. In short, it’s extremely hypocritical, racist and ignorant to focus only on the number of Iraqi deaths during the Saddam era while completely ignoring the number of Iraqi deaths that the US has caused in about half the time period (25 years vs. 13 years). It only shows that you are using the Iraqi deaths under Saddam as a political football.

No one does killing like the US, no one. Sum up all the killing the US has done since its existence and you’ll come up with a figure that’s mind-boggling. Over the past 10 years alone the US has killed over 100 million people in the third world with its economic policies. The UN reports 30,000 children in the third world die every day from curable diseases, malnutrition and starvation. These conditions were created because the US controls the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the lending institutions that
force third world countries to pay off their debts via privatization and deregulation, which in turn deprives these children of the food , clean water and medicines they need. 30,000 children x 365 days per year x 10 years = 109,500,000 children that the US has murdered over the past 10 years via its economic policies in the third world. If you want to compare the number of people the US has killed to the number of people the fascists claim that “Marxists” killed, there’s simply no comparison – no one has ever come even close to approaching the magnitude of genocide that the US has achieved in its history, no one. You need a history lesson.

I don’t think calling them goons or referring to them as inhuman is any more of a logical leap than the dehumanizing names that yanqui goons call people in the third world, i.e., “savage”, “rag head”, “gook” and “sand ni****”. They call people these names so they can slaughter them and not feel bad about it. What kind of human beings do this? Yanqui goons don’t act like human beings, so why should they be regarded as such?

US economic policies are not put in place and maintained with the US president’s good looks. They’re put in place and maintained with the threat of the most powerful military force in the world. And guess who makes up that force? Yanqui goons, that’s who. If you believe that the US imperialists could implement their austere economic policies in the third world without the US military as a backup force then you don’t know much about the world.

For your information this isn’t “Meet the Press” or “The McGlaufflin Group” or Rush Limbaugh. “Geopolitics” in yanko corporate media doublespeak basically means US imperialist politics. Keeping the discussion within the realm of “geopolitics” allows the corporate media’s talking heads to ignore issues that profoundly effect the lives of millions and even billions of people. Thus the “geopolitics” of 30,000 children dying in the third world every day is, to most yanqui flag wavers, “a useless number”. The arrogance of your “geopolitical” perspective is something commonly found in the US. Over 100 years of US imperialism has created an imperialist arrogance within yanqui society. It’s part of Americana. Yanquis become so used to the US bullying it’s way around the world that a million dead here and another million dead there are nothing more than “useless numbers”.
I’m not talking “geopolitics” when I mention the third world’s children, US economic policies or US military aggression. I’m talking about socioeconomic issues that effect millions and even billions of people. If you want to talk yanqui “geopolitics” then go back over to neocon.net or one of them other far right web sites.
You also need to go back and read my last post. In it I said that the UN reports that 30,000 children in the third world die every day from malnutrition, curable diseases and starvation. The source is the UN. Get it?

The yanqui pacifists say fragging is murder. But when we ask these same pacifists if it is murder when US troops shoot unarmed, wounded Iraqis they parrot “US troops are blameless victims who were forced to join the military because of poverty and racism. ”

In yanqui pacifist doublespeak, US troops who shoot their commanders are murderers, but US troops who shoot Iraqis are victims.

Mr. Finch. Posting such helpful hints as 'fragging' is a serious violation of the law, I believe. Only way someone could get away with it would be if they were Already law inforcement, or as Meyer says, cointelpro. Hmmmmmm.
As a vet, Vietnam era, I can see the attempted wedge being raised up the flag pole, as it were like it was after we came home, reluctant to speak up, hearing all the rumors of getting spat upon. Maybe your supervisor had a hand it it. Without the support of our missled brothers and sisters, it's going to be a rough road to a better world.

Rattticus,

I'm only sorry there isn't some way to personally strip you of your share of the protection and freedoms afforded you by U.S. soldiers around the world.

You're a bigger fucking loser than all other vituperous vermin on this site combined, including myself.

Get to North Korea already you disgrace to the human race.

U.S. solders around the world are not fighting for anything right now even remotely passing for freedom. That's the problem. Untill they come home if they aren't too sick from the enriched Uranium they have been ingesting, they wont be able to. the 'other vituperous vermin' are the ones who send them to do the crown's business and then assign them to the garbage heap.

U.S. solders around the world are not fighting for anything right now even remotely passing for freedom.

>>>> Yeah, that was some seriously good acting on the part of Iraqis impersonating a free election.

That's the problem. Untill they come home if they aren't too sick from the enriched Uranium they have been ingesting, they wont be able to. the 'other vituperous vermin' are the ones who send them to do the crown's business and then assign them to the garbage heap.

>>>> Would be be so ready to "bring them home" in the middle of World War 2? At least have the nads to admit for you its about stopping the "hegemony" of the US and not some benevolent queef for the troops.

>>>> The depleted uranium myth is just that. There's less radiation from those armaments than is found in nature itself.

>>>> Why not use a more popular lie and say secondhand smoke wafting from California is killing troops in Iraq?

World war TWO?? Kinda having to reach there huh?
Free elections in Iraq? Don't even go there as it will make you look like an even more retarded individual.
And in denial about the slow burn of Uranium weapons too.
Too bad.

World war TWO?? Kinda having to reach there huh?

>>> The left is too stupid to realize commmunism is not only as bad as nazism but historically killed millions more. It takes very little reach to topple statues of Lenin and Stalin.

Free elections in Iraq? Don't even go there as it will make you look like an even more retarded individual.

>>> Name calling doesn't prove a thing.

And in denial about the slow burn of Uranium weapons too.
Too bad.

>>> What's to deny? You've got no hard science to back up your bullshit. That's what it is, comrade: Grade A bullshit. G

People like you are the reason the anti-war movement is failing. You are supporting the system and not joining the revolution.

You think that communism is unfair. You got it all wrong child. “People working their asses off while others do nothing” is exactly what we have now, under capitalism. Capitalism seeks to enslave the vast majority of the human race so a few wealthy parasites can live in luxury. As proof of this all we have to do is look at your capitalist “utopias” all over the world, especially in the third world where millions live in extreme poverty. 30,000 children die in the third world every day - not because of communism, but because of capitalist (neoliberal) economic policies which, were put in force by the US. Do the arithmetic and calculate what that comes to in one year.

The US controls the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the two main lending institutions that have nearly every third world country in dept. US-enforced neoliberal economics is a complete disaster in the third world. In oil rich countries like Bolivia for example, between 60 and 70 percent of the population live in dire poverty. How is it possible for such a rich country to have so much poverty? Through capitalism that’s how!

What’s laughable is that you believe such nonsense. Do you really think people won’t work unless there’s a profit? Child, did this “profit incentive” that you speak of always exist? Are you trying to tell me that the people who lived in primitive societies, before profits existed, never worked hard?

In modern times, the experience of the USSR refutes the claim that people won’t work hard unless a wealthy class is profiting. The USSR went from an underdeveloped industrial power in 1917 to one of the most modernized countries in the world by 1937. It took the US about 60 years to do the same thing.

Of course there were those who could not work. They were paid disability and unemployment benefits. The able-bodied who refused to work usually had to do time in the Soviet prison system know as the Gulags. As I stated in one of my previous posts, the Soviet prison system held, even at its peek year, a smaller percentage of the population of the USSR than the percentage of the US population that is being held under the US prison system today. Documents from the vaults of the USSR prove this.

Getting back to your proclamation that: ““From each according to his ability to each according to his needs” is just a fancy way of saying slave”” – the capitalist version of this slogan is “From each wage slave according to his ability to each well-fed master according to his privileges”. If capitalism isn’t a system of slavery then what is?

The people under Socialism in Cuba are not slaves yet they all have guaranteed healthcare, housing, jobs, free education. There are no homeless people in Cuba, no one is dying of starvation or the curable diseases found in the capitalist “utopias” of the third world. Cuba trains some of the best doctors in the world and has a higher literacy rate than the US. Cuba has been able to achieve all of this and more with the biggest thug in the world breathing down its neck for more than 45 years, the US. Why are the people of Cuba not slaves? They are not slaves because THE ABLITY TO GET RICH FROM PROFITS IN CUBA (your so-called necessary profit motive) HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE REVOLUTION!

You’re a very ignorant person Sheepdog. You live in an upside-down world of privilege, the world of US capitalism. To you wage slavery is freedom while liberation from wage slavery, Socialism, is whatever the yanqui fascists say it is.

The world is not a chunk of real estate for the wealthy developers. It is not a bottomless garbage pit. Its resources are limited. In short capitalism is not a sustainable system. A “capitalist utopia” is a utopia for the rich paid for by the misery of the majority of the human race.

The overthrow of a Socialist state does not mean Socialism/Communism does not work anymore than the overthrow of a capitalist state means that capitalism does not work. Capitalism is the rich pigs ideology, Socialism is for everyone else. When capitalism wins the workers loose. When Socialism triumphs, as for example in the USSR from 1917-1953, the workers win.

I was wondering what this guy was talking about. I guess he's involved in a flamewar on IMC in NYC. Sorry for not knowing.... keeping up on flamewars is not my job.

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/museum/musframe.htm

Summary: You're selling a pile of shit that has never worked.

What do I believe in again? I must remember to ask you what I'm thinking more often as the belief system you say I hold. never occured to me.
You morons crack me up.

I’m tired of right wing idiots like you who claim to know so much about Communism yet they’ve never read any works of Marx or Lenin. I can’t help it if you believe everything the fascists wrote about Communism. Put down your copy of Mein Kampf for a moment and read the Communist Manifesto.

This is IMC not FreeRepublic or the other racist websites your used to.

And you have zero points so far. Not even a near miss.
Your ignorance is heroic in a proportion matched only by the scale of your erroneous presumptions. But don't let me stop you. My evening was getting dull and now you provide comedy.

When all is said and done Atticus is just a troll. I mean look at his past postings. It is like he combined all the insanity on the insane side of the left together to create a rant that could get you Involuntarily Detained to a facility of Mental Health in most states.

Doesn't matter. None of the crap he talks about will come to pass.

Re: harm of Uranium


> You've got no hard science to back up your bullshit.


Sheepdog may not but I do



> The depleted uranium myth is just that. There's less radiation from those armaments than is found in nature itself.




The Silent Genocide from America


The Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC), Washington DC, and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (1991) - Steve Fetter and Frank Von Hippel have reported on extensive research by Field teams of the UMRC in Afghanistan.



http://www.umrc.net/


It took on average 5 years for various deformities to emerge in Iraq after the first Gulf War, however, in Afghanistan, people started to complain from various health problems within weeks of the initial bombing. This means only one thing, the magnitude of uranium based weapons used in Afghanistan is much higher than that in Iraq during the first Gulf War. This fact is reinforced by the news that in the first few months of the bombing more 6,600 J-dams/smart bombs have been dropped on Afghanistan, making the size of the uranium contamination much higher than in Iraq during the first Gulf War.



The emergence of excessive health problems increased curiosity and concerns among scientists worldwide of the usage of depleted uranium. The first scientific undertaking was led by the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC) which consisted of two consecutive trips to JalalAbad and Kabul. The preliminary findings by the UMRC research teams concluded:




*"Radiological measurements of the uranium concentrations in Afghan civilians’ urine samples indicate abnormally high levels of non-depleted uranium. Radiological measurements of Afghan civilians’ have high concentrations of uranium in a range beginning at 4 X’s and reaching to over 20 X’s normal populations. This is 400% to 2000% higher than the study controls and normal population baselines of the concentrations of nanograms of uranium per liter of urine in a 24-hour sample."



*"The isotopic ratios of the uranium contaminant measured in Afghan civilians show that it is not Depleted Uranium (DU). The isotopes of uranium found in the Afghan civilians’ urine is Non-Depleted Uranium."


*"UMRC investigated the possible origins of this contamination. The preliminary results of the radiological urine analysis are corroborated by radiological measurements of debris and weapons’ fragment samples at OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom) target sites and bomb-craters."

*"UMRC’s Field Team found several hundred civilians with acute symptoms and reportedly developing, chronic symptoms of uranium internal contamination (including congenital problems in newborns). All subjects’ on-set of symptoms are reported to coincide with the calendar dates of the bombing and were not present prior to the bombing."


*"Radiological measurements of any populations’ urine specimens identify, as a standard practice, the abundance of each of the 3 naturally occurring isotopes of uranium (U234, 235, 238). These isotopes’ abundances (quantities) are measured as a fraction of the uranium released in a 24-hour sample of urine. The isotopic ratios (proportions) of the uranium in the
urine collected in Afghanistan has the unmistakable signature of Non-Depleted Uranium. It does not express the isotopic ratio of DU. Depleted Uranium and Non-depleted Uranium are both species of uranium. UMRC is reporting the isotopic signatures of the uranium found in the Afghan civilians’ urine." (UMRC Preliminary Findings from Afghanistan & Operation Enduring Freedom)


http://www.umrc.net/AfghanistanOEF.asp


UMRC’s recent findings, May 2003, reveal a wider scope of human and environmental contamination in Afghan civilians, corroborating the November 2002 Jalalabad findings.

Jalalabad area: New reference levels based on recent collections of samples and controls have revised the Jalalabad results upward to uranium values 45 X’s normal.


New bioassay studies identify uranium internal contamination in Spin Gar (Tora Bora) area and the City of Kabul are up to 200 X’s the Reference Level of the unexposed population.

Surface water, rice fields and catch-basins adjacent to and surrounding the bombsites have high values of uranium, up to 27 X’s normal.


Low but as yet inconclusive readings of U236 have been identified by the laboratory in some urine samples; further analysis is underway to determine the metallurgical origins of the uranium with a consideration of "commercial natural uranium" containing recycled reactor
spent fuel products. Analyses of soils and debris collected inside OEF bomb craters and target
sites have uranium values 3 X’s to 6 X’s normal.


Surface soils surrounding the bombsites and downwind from ground-zero are
elevated close to 3 X’s reference levels. Field and laboratory data show that samples with elevated uranium levels, civilian health problems, and weapons exposure histories correspond spatially and chronologically to ordnance deployed by Operation Enduring Freedom.



During the bombardments of ToraBora, Bagram front lines, Kundoz and Mazar-e-Sharif, many Taliban soldiers were seen with blood coming out from their mouths, noses and ears. Meanwhile, those Taliban soldiers who returned to their respective villages started to vomit blood and had bloody stools. Subsequently, many have died from their conditions.



During bombardment of Kuram village, Surkhrod district of Nangarhar, the village was completely destroyed and many peoples were killed without any physical injuries.



After bombardment in Khost public health workers have reported some skin lesions. Those that developed the skin lesions died after their conditions were deteriorated.



In Pachir Wa Agam district near to ToraBora targeted area, women started to suffer from a deadly condition. Several months after the bombing, women of the area would become angry by petty things and that anger turns into rage, which subsequently causes the women to collapse and die. (Field Surveyors of the Afghan DU & Recovery Fund)





My team also reported that many children are born with no limbs, no eyes, or tumors protruding out from their mouths and their eyes. The following testimonies and photos--filmed in Iraq are used here to exhibit the identical conditions of Afghan victims-- exhibit the horrific conditions from which children in Afghanistan, similar to those in Iraq, suffer from.

Hard science makes my miniscule mind hurt. Please simplify it and spoonfeed it to me like Fox News would.