This is the continued report (2 of 3).

This next picture shows people from the Minutemen / SOS group trying to ensight violence with the peaceful protestors. It didn't work, but you have to give them credit for trying.

They tried and tried again, taunting protestors, inviting them onto private property (so they could get them arrested). These militia types will try any tactic to get a rise from the people, but it simply didn't work. People would verbally engage with them, but not fall victim to their tactics.

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There is one of the corporate media individuals in the crowd trying to get interviews. I think we should really think about how we conduct ourselves with them. Even though they are biased and usually work against us, there are many people on our side that see these interviews and will respond to the next demonstration. We need to get rational and calm people to talk to them. To appear non-biased (even though this is a joke), they have to put someone on, and if we only give them good solid points, that is all they can use. Yelling at the press does NOT help us.

They guy on the left was from Fox. I watched their coverage, and was surprised to see that it was really the most balanced of all the coverage I saw. Then I remembered that this is the one weird time that Bush and us both didn't like the Minutemen. Really weird feeling!! Of course this is all relative and the coverage for us could have been a little more honest.

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He went so far that the police stepped in and had to have a stern talk with him. He is a lose cannon ready to go off. Please remember his face and watch your backs around him.

At one point he was trying to debate a Native American for the news. I wish people had allowed for this to happen, as it would have made their side look bad. But later in the night he claimed to be opposed to the Minute Men Project and said he was not with, nor did he support the Save Our Street group. I could not figure out who he was, whom he was with, or where he stood on the issues. Confusing!

I don't get these people, but then again look at Rice. There are always a few people who have self hate. I wander if he has any family living in the countries that are being exploited by our government?

This is the van that hit the protestors. I guess people know this guy as I saw his name, and phone number on another post. There was a window broken on the car to immediately follow the mad man's van. This is unfortunate as it is likely the reason that the fascist’s charges were dismissed. Though these people are racists, hate mongers, and violent vigilantes, we must remember what MLK and Gandhi were able to do. If we could have stopped this from happening, then the media would not have had a choice except to focus on them as the violent ones. The car window that was broken gave the press what they needed to paint the picture they wanted to paint (though I was enraged as well).

The protest has now officially began (it is 7:10). The crazy drive has already hit the peaceful demonstrators (the only thing on the guys hood was the people that were being flung there when he hit them as his wife was screaming racial slurs at them). The police respond by letting the guy give interviews to the press, and then taking him into custody for the cameras (only to release him later). My guess is that they took him down to the station to buy him a beer and thank him for his hate crime. They then bring horses up to the crowd that is chanting, “Arrest the driver”.

The lapse in time is because I had to run home to post about the hate crime on here. The hate mongers had expected people to leave once darkness fell. They think this is a game and that we protest just for fun. If they had a clue about us actually not wanting racist vigilantes in our state, they would have known that we would not leave until they are gone.

We knew that we needed to drum out the hate, and people did just that. Dancing, drumming, and celebrating the people!

The police assemble in their riot gear to make sure that these extremists are allowed to plan their attacks on the poor people of the world. I wander if they would do the same if we wanted to plan attacks on rich white men!

Maybe just upset that she has to fight the types of groups that gave her the right to vote, the right to be a police officer, and the right to equal pay. If her side wins, she loses.

It is now 8:56 pm and the protestors are still here, still remaining peaceful, and marching to blockade the racists in the parking lot.

Notice the orange canisters they are carrying, that is mace. They are beginning to assemble at the back entrance.

They used the horses to walk into the crowd, endangering the peaceful protestors.

I missed the important info on this cop (face, badge number, etc.) and I apologize for that. He was taunting people with the mace, looking for an excuse to use it. It is now 9:00pm

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The police of Orange County are like the police of Birmingham, or the police of India. It's not the righteous breaking of fascist's windows that got the police drop the charges against the driver. It's that the police are on the Minutemen's and other right-wingers' side. In fact in many cases they are the same people. Find how many of the Minutemen are retired "law enforcement". Ghandi and MLK were proponents of non-violent action and soem fo suppport what some people deem "violent action",whihc in this case is self-defense. A right-winger tries to kill some demonstrators, and all people do is break his windows. That's restraint.

As far as talking to the media is concerned, you tell them your story. Don't embellish and don't lie. Just talk naturally and clearly. Don't expect them to be on your side, but do it anyway. By the way, Fox local stations are often the best at locla news. Amongst other reasons is they have a full hour to fill at 10pm.

I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely fabricated! Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers were torn off and his windows were being pounded on. His car was surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in fear of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots. Hal Netkin slowly tried moving away. All injuries were exaggerated and nothing was serious. The reason he was not charged is because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old man. The protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those who were hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully. If your car was surrounded and people yelling and beating down on your windows... I ask you, what would you do?

I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely fabricated! Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers were torn off and his windows were being pounded on. His car was surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in fear of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots. Hal Netkin slowly tried moving away. All injuries were exaggerated and nothing was serious. The reason he was not charged is because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old man. The protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those who were hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully. If your car was surrounded and people yelling and beating down on your windows... I ask you, what would you do?

I have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a multi-cultural background. I can only report eyewitness testimony (that is what the news does),and I did just that. Now the report from the young man injured was that he heard a woman yelling racial slurs at him when he was struct by the car. And it was a man driving. With everything happening so quickly, it is possible that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he mistook the man as a woman. I reported it the way it sounded.

With that said, it was the Executive Director of the legal guild that was flung on the hood. No one is going to believe that he attacked your car, they are observers, and they have worked with hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern California area, with thousands of issues. You can try to claim he was "attacking you" all you want, the judge is going to laugh you out of the court room. These people are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because they either represent us, or they testify for us when we are falsely arrested. They do not engage in protests, and they do NOT attack people. To even claim that he "jumped on his van" is so unbelieveable, I would need video to disclaim it. Just because the cops sided with him, does not mean he was being honest. Your side will create your own relaity and say what ever sounds best at the time. Kind of like you guys saying I faked pictures. Bet you didn't expect me to have the video footage to PROVE you wrong. See, you guys are always looking the fool. Your sign should have read, "Welcome to Wonderland"

The claim that they were faked. Every right wing wacko was so convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, "Indymedia Exposed"
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127276

My proof that you guys are fools. Do your homework next time. Just like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the objective truth.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127471

This is not like me, but I just published the unedited version of my response. I will usually just say, oh well, but there are things added that I wanted to say. So please disregard the last post for this one……….
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I have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a multi-cultural background. This does not mean he is not racist, but does bring up questions why he hates Mexican’s so much (he runs two hateful websites against Pro-Mexican/Immigrant Policies and People). When it comes to a story, I can only report eyewitness testimony (that is what the news does), and I did just that. The statement I took was from a direct interview he gave to Channel 2 News that night. I would not have run it, except I saw it come from his mouth. Now the report from the young man injured was that he heard a woman yelling racial slurs at him when the car struck him. And it was a man driving. With everything happening so quickly, it is possible that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he mistook the man as a woman. I reported it the way it sounded.

With that said, from what I understand, it was the Executive Director of the legal guild that was flung on the hood. No one is going to believe that he attacked your car, they are legal OBSERVERS, and they have worked with hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern California area, with thousands of issues. You can try to claim he was "attacking you" all you want, the judge is going to laugh you out of the courtroom. These people are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because they either represent us, or they testify for us when we are falsely arrested. They do NOT engage in protests, and they do NOT attack people. To even claim that he "jumped on his van" is so unbelievable, I would need video to prove it. Just because the cops sided with Hal, does not mean he was being honest. Your side will create your own reality and say what ever sounds best at the time. Kind of like you guys saying I faked pictures. Bet you didn't expect me to have the video footage to PROVE you wrong. See, you guys are always looking the fool. Your sign should have read, "Welcome to Wonderland"

The claim that they were faked. Every right wing wacko was so convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, "Indymedia Exposed"
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127276

My proof that you guys are fools. Do your homework next time. Just like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the objective truth.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127471

Incite, not "ensight"

All this "they did this" and "they did that" accusation reminds me of that Runaway Bride fabrication. When someone screws up, point the blame at the guy lowest on the social ladder. Blame the Black Guy. Blame the Illegal Immigrant.

Yeah, the loud activists.... they gotta be to blame, because they're so.... upsetting.

And so many people believe it, because they have nothing but their fear to trust. Keep them afraid with more fear mongering, and they'll believe anything.

it's dark times, but truth is the light.

"The exits are peacefully blocked"

What?

WHAT?

YOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL, YOU MORON!

It's an intimidation tactic. It's also a form of terrorism. If you restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding them prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason. If you were surrounded by a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they wouldn't let you leave, you would go through the goddamn roof.

If I see one more person bitching and whining about rich, white (American) men I'm going to scream. How about looking at the BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now. I know it’s hard to do, considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and doesn't have any culture of rampant corruption at all. If you wouldn't mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you might notice the WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction) who are exploiting the BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous heritage) by allowing generation after generation to live in utter poverty and squalor. You’ll notice something most of the people on this board are constantly screaming about. Want a hint? Here, I’ll put it in caps for you. It’s…

RACISM!

See? Si? Understand better now, dumbass? Kind of like looking into the sun, isn't it? If you want to start somewhere, start there.

Oh, and for the record, it's "wonder," not "wander," you ignoramus.

Netkin was released after police watched a videotape that showed protesters surrounding the vehicle, banging on it and refusing to move, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield. About 300 protesters at the scene were “trying to intimidate him and refused to let him pass,” Handfield said. By night’s end, five demonstrators had been arrested.

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The protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and cans packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield said. They kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore latex gloves and hoods so they wouldn’t be identified by police, Handfield said. Some attendees decided not to enter the building because they feared violence.

Unbiased OUT

Reality check: the cops say they have a video that exonerates them, so it must be true. Who's seen it? You, "Unbiased"?

We have witnesses, the cops have Handfield, so, according to the "Unbiased" comments, the demonstrators are liars, the cops are telling the truth.

"All politics put aside" my ass. Politics according to Unbiased_Va are that the police must be right be telling the truth because they're the police. I don't know anyone who's fallen for that one in forty years, except a few yokels up in the hills.

I just want everyone to know that all photos are real... I used poor word usage by saying doctored... I meant to mean one sided... nonetheless... I'm sorry to 1planet , ...his photos are 100 percent real!!!

Unbiased OUT

>>"YOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL, YOU MORON!

>>"It's an intimidation tactic. It's also a form of terrorism. If you restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding them prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason. If you were surrounded by a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they wouldn't let you leave, you would go through the goddamn roof."

Damnit! That's right. BLOCKING MOVEMENT IS TERRORISM. BLOCKING IT WITH THE THREAT OF ARMED FORCE IS *DOUBLE* *TERRORISM*. No more borders!

AND especially, down with any WHITE HAIRED border vigilanted.

>>"If I see one more person bitching and whining about rich, white (American) men I'm going to scream. How about looking at the BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now. I know it’s hard to do, considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and doesn't have any culture of rampant corruption at all. If you wouldn't mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you might notice the WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction) who are exploiting the BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous heritage) by allowing generation after generation to live in utter poverty and squalor. You’ll notice something most of the people on this board are constantly screaming about. Want a hint? Here, I’ll put it in caps for you. It’s…

>>"RACISM!

>>"See? Si? Understand better now, dumbass? Kind of like looking into the sun, isn't it? If you want to start somewhere, start there. "

SI! Si my brother. THE PROBLEM TRULY IS WHITE RACISM. DOWN WITH WHITES! DOWN WITH THEIR BROWN COLLABORATORS!

Tear down the borders to build an global indigenous resistance against all European racism! And the church too!

Division engineering among the exploited is another tool of the criminal structure.
Bridges, not walls are needed.
Allies not enemies will turn the resistance.
We are freemen.

Please don't blame all whites for the problems. There are many of us that are on your side. I just want to state as clearly as possible, that there are many European-Americans that understand that this land was stolen from natives, and that we understand the struggles caused through racism, and that we are on the side of those who have been fu*ked over the last 500 years. Spain first screwed the people, then, Mexico tried to fix the problems, but before things could be corrected, red necked bastards wanted the land, and the Amerikkkas backed them. Though we are few, there are those of us willing to go to the line to restore justice. Please don't hate those of us willing to fight the system for you and with you. Though, it is VERY likely that one of those racists a55holes posted the post that divides people, we will not be divided. This is a struggle against the powers that be, and we, as citizens of the planet earth; we beat these powers. All power to the people!

That "Apache" guy is on the MM side.