i know for a fact that those 2 arrests weren't staged cuz i saw the people who were arrested in both insidences in the station in cuffs.

i was arrested for felony vandalism aswell, and when they brought me into the station, i saw the guy with the green bandana (the first "set-up arrest") and the guy with the spiderweb tats (part of the 2nd "set-up arrest") handcuffed to a bench, waiting to be booked. i didn't get to speak with them though, since i'm a juvy, they kept me in another room with a cop watching me until i was released into the cusdody of my parents. they guy with the tats even said hi to me as they brought me in.

instead of suspecting those who got arrested, i think we should be suspicious of whoever started saying it was a set-up. it seemed like almost immediately after the first guy was arrested, someone started trying to get us to move on by saying it was a set-up. the message spread through the block relatively quickly, and even more so during the second arrest. at the time, i beleived it was a set-up, just cuz thats what everyone in the bloc was saying. looking back, i think it was disgraceful how we abandoned our commrads like that.

could this possibly be a police tactic? to make us not interfere with what the police were doing and have us stay nonviolent. or maybe to make us start suspect our fellow activists.

i think this is far more likely than police seting up fake arrests. if this was a police tactic, i think it was pretty successful. since i was arrested, i'm not sure what happened later on, but i know there wasn't a breakaway. with all the stuff posted here on the break away, this supprised me. could it have been that these tactics discouraged the remaining bloc from breaking away?

i do, however, have to commend the bloc on their action during my arrest. larger members of the bloc pushed me behind them and tried to push the police away, and the cops noticed that. they were talking about it before they drove me to the station. one cop was talking about how someone threw a bottle and hit him in the head. i heard, although i didn't actually see, that the cops had to start gabbing and swinging their batons to arrest me.

thanks all, peace

9 LAPD trained unarmed deputies in Baghdad were killed yesterday according to various news services.

What was the body count in LA?

I'm pretty positive that it was just a misunderstanding between everyone. after reading this, it sounds like people were just real concerned about police tactics

the girl who said it was staged was not a cop

I know its typical for people to worry in blocs and get scared about everything. I still wonder how people in europe can get away burning down buildings and we march around being smacked up. Why dont people try un arrests, i mean like the author wrote, its disgracefull to leave your comrade like that and then freak out, why the hell dont you fight back. Arm yourselves, this isnt about being pushed around and saying "o, i dont like those facist cops, but ill take what they give me" which is a nice beating and little place in jail. Its time we start sticking up for ourselves. If we cant defend ourseleves, then were nothing. And people need to get over there paranoia, the fact is i know for alot the reason they are so paranoid because of this exact situation, they are scared to do anything cause they think people will just let them get dragged away, which obviously proves true.

excuse me. i should have said "IF ANYTHING, i think we should be suspicious of whoever started saying it was a set-up." i just ment that if any part of the arrests/set-up statements were police tactics, it would have been the set-up statements, cuz i know that the arrests weren't set-ups. i wasn't being paranoid or trying to accuse the girl who said it of being in league with the cops.

one tactic i did see that concerned me, though, was how the bike cops seemed to disappear for a while, giving us a false sence of security while undercovers kept tabs on us. as i stated earlier, the cops who arrested me didn't see me do anything cuz they had the undercover come and ID me before they took me in. i think this may be a new tactic because last year, before the war started, the cops walked on the sides of the march and were always visible.

Well The person who was spreading around that the arrest could possibly be a set up was definatly not a undercover cop because after the protest she met up with several anarchist at a park a couple miles away. And she also brought the huge banners that were carried throughout the march. So she couldn't possibly have been a cop. And i also held discussions with her at the meeting.

Another thing is the breakaway. The breakaway didnt happen because we dicided we didnt have as many people needed. From what i was told llast years breakaway went unsuccessful due to not having enough people. So we decided it wasnt going to happen.

What someone pointed out at the meeting that when we were walking down hollywood blvd there were police down every street and they had it blocked off. Then when we turned the first corner there were no cops in site (Perfect time to breakaway). There were no cops down any streets they werent blocked off. But what he thought it could of been was that might of been a set up. As soon as somebody would call for a breakaway down a side street 100's of cops could have just came out of no where and held a mass arrest. This is something to think about for the next time there is a planned breakaway. There were a lot of discussions about it on here and maybe there was to much we should try to keep it off of here maybe suggest it and then discuss it at the protest.

Just a thought.