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NION's Statement Regarding Saddam Hussein

by 1Planet1People Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 11:23 AM

Not In Our Name is an Anti-War group nation wide. Our LA chapter just released this statement in regards to the capture of Saddam Hussein.

The Bush administration, along with the corporate
media, has heralded the recent capture of Saddam
Hussein as a great victory. They will use this capture
as an attempt to further legitimize their occupation
and to silence all criticism and opposition. However,
one thing is unquestionably clear, the illegal
occupation of Iraq continues.

The “new developement in the “war on terrorism does
not change the fact that this war is immoral, unjust,
and illegitimate. It does not change the violations of
international law, the lies used to justify the
war----like finding weapons of mass destruction or
“liberating the Iraqi people----or the tens of
thousands of Iraqi lives stolen, or the hundreds of
U.S. lives lost. This will not end the Iraqi
resistance, as the administration might have hoped,
only a withdrawal of troops and an end to the
occupation will do that.

As they talk about finally seeking justice for the
Iraqi people by putting Saddam on trial, they will
conveniently leave out any mention of the crimes done
to the Iraqi people by the United States. It was the
U.S. who supplied the dictator with the very weapons
he used against his people. It was the U.S. led
sanctions that killed over a half a million Iraqi
children since 1990. Who will put the U.S. government
on trials for war crimes?

The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean freedom
for the Iraqi people. Only the right to
self-determination and self-governance will ensure
their liberation. Resistance to this war and
occupation is needed more than ever!

End the Occupation! U.S. Troops Out Of Iraq!
Iraqi Nation for the Iraqis themselves!
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by Bigofoot Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 12:30 PM

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Not In Our Name

by lkkjhjgh Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 12:52 PM

And whose name do they mean?

Certainly not the names of the Iraqi people.

Had the peace-loving NION folks gotten their way, Iraqis would still be tortured, raped, and shredded by the Saddam regime.

No, NION doesn't give a damn about Iraqis.

As long as they get a chance to thwart Bush, they don't care how many Iraqis die.
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by 1Planet1People Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 1:16 PM

Are you serious? The attacks on Iraq were because he "had weapons of Mass Destruction" and not just the recent ones, but all of them since Bush Sr. Now that we know that he in fact did not have these weapons, 3000 children were murdered by our sanctions (mainly medicine for children) every month for over 8 years. You add up just the Iraq people we have killed (not including all the other nations in the world) we have killed many times more than Saddam, even when he was doing these things (prior to 1998). Which leads to my second point, human rights groups, who are critical of any mistreatment of the people, clearly state that there have not been these tortures or killings since 1998. And why attack Iraq, a non-secular country who no longer tortures and kills, when the neighbors on both sides have a much worse record. Women in Saudi Arabia still have to cover their faces and Iran kills people who write books. And no, I am not saying attack them, only pointing out that this is the stupidest justification used, unfortunately it is the only one the right has that hasn’t been completely debunked by the facts. Lastly, the people of Iraq have been told (by our government) that any protesters will be killed on sight. Not even Saddam was that radical. We have concentration camps in Cuba and American citizens being held by or government without lawyer, charges, or any of the other so called rights in our constitution. Maybe you should open up your eyes and do a little research since it is obvious that you listen to Fox News and don't do any independent research. You will be embarrassed by how gullible you are and how easily you are fooled after you do.
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Iraqi position

by Sisyphus Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 1:20 PM

Actually, the Iraqis may be happy to see Hussein gone, but they will be even happier when the US leaves. Recent polls have indicated that a plurality of the Iraqis feel that life was better under Hussein than under the US occupation. Small wonder that our soldiers are under daily attacks.
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by 1Planet1People Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 1:28 PM

oh...this doesn't even touch on the fact that we supplied the WMDs and then paid him to kill his own people through aid and trading rights. Education is dangerous, enjoy it...
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by kjjhuguyhgv Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 1:29 PM

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Sheesh, you've completely fallen for the Ba'ath Party line, haven't you?

Give it up. They were evil; they kept the tortures and murders up until the invasion; they attacked coalition forces from groups of women and children and got amny of them killed; they were filling the mass graves the whole time.

Now, please explain to me:

Why are you apologizing so stridently for the Saddam Regime? "You will be embarrassed by how gullible you are and how easily you are fooled after you do."
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1Planet 1People

by Barney Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 7:12 PM

Thanks for the link, very nice. Do you think we haven't read this stuff before. You're probably too young to remember but this was during the Cold War. You should read about it. It's always good to have a proper perspective on things.
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Barney, 1P1P's point is...

by lkniyv Sunday, Dec. 21, 2003 at 4:47 AM

...that "the US made him!!!"

I never have understood why that is somehow reason to NOT remove him.

Care to explain, 1P1P?

Once upon a time, a family got a puppy, who grew up to be Ol' Yeller. But one day, Ol' Yeller got rabies, and they had to shoot him.

By whatever you're using instead of logic, they shouldn't have shot him...is that right? They should have just let him run around, biting the kids and the neighbors?

Maybe they could try to understand the "root causes" of Ol' Yeller's rabies, and a hug would have made him feel better.

Yeah, you go ahead and hug the rabid dogs.

Here in the real world, we shoot them.
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Simplistic Illogic

by Adult Supervisor Sunday, Dec. 21, 2003 at 9:04 AM

Let's see now, we supported Stalin during WWII against Hitler.

Then later on we were desirous of removing Stalin.

By the convoluted illogic above, I guess we'd have been somehow obligated to continue supporting Stalin after WWII was over and done. Curious that illogic.

At the time of the Iraq-Iran war, we correcty perceived Iran as the greater and more immediate threat to American interests. Saddam was the enemy of our enemy. We didn't like him even then, but some economic support suited our interests.

That's exactly the way it was during WWII when our ships made the Murmansk run to supply the Russians fighting on the Eastern Front.

The liberal mind is a lot like silly putty.
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"The enemy of our enemy."

by lknkhb Sunday, Dec. 21, 2003 at 9:16 AM

That's why the Left is supportive of Saddam: He's the enemy of their enemy, George Bush.

And the Iraqi people are caught in the middle, getting slaughtered by Saddam on one side, and getting sanctimonious, condescending lip service from the Left.

Good thing George, Blair, and the leaders of over 60 nations had the courage to do the right thing.

"The liberal mind is a lot like silly putty."

Especially when you put it on the comics and lift up the ink. It's even funnier than the original when it's all backwards and distorted.

Very apt analogy, AS.
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