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F.B.I REPORT:JDL ZIONISTS AMONG TOP USA TERROR GROUPS
by ArtBishop Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 4:19 PM

Four out of five people we asked have no idea who the JDL are, much less know that they are one of the TOP TEN FBI ACTIVE TERRORIST GANGS IN THE USA.

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Posted By: ArtBishop <Send E-Mail>
Date: Sunday, 9 March 2003, 9:42 a.m.

F.B.I REPORT:ZIONIST GROUP SECOND MOST ACTIVE TERROR GROUP IN USA

Four out of five people we asked have no idea who the JDL are, much less know that they are one of the TOP TEN FBI ACTIVE TERRORIST GANGS IN THE USA.

Terrorism by Arabs? No, by Jews!

This is an excerpt of the book: "The Zionist Terror Network"

ALL YOU "THOUGHT CRIMINALS" PREPARE TO BE AFRAID

THE ZIONIST TERROR NETWORK: Background and Operations of the Jewish Defense League and other Criminal Zionist Groups

JDL in America: Urban Terrorists with International Connections

This book documents the background and criminal activities of Jewish Zionist terrorist groups, and especially the Jewish Defense League. Particular emphasis is given here to terror--including murder--against "thought criminals" who question the Holocaust story that six million Jews were systematically killed during the Second World War.

Zionist terrorists openly proclaim an arrogant Jewish-supremacist ideology and acknowledge their readiness to use violence against those who disagree with them. With a well-documented record of bigotry and crime, they pose a serious danger to our society, and to men and women everywhere who treasure freedom.

Incidents of violence against revisionist "thought criminals" have included:

"George Ashley, a high school history teacher and supporter of the IHR, has been the target of several terrorist attacks because of his revisionist views. In April 1982, two bricks were hurled through the front window of his suburban Los Angeles home. One month later, two gasoline fire bombs were thrown against the front of his house, and in December of 1982, JDL criminals ransacked Ashley's home, causing an estimated $26,000 in damage. (note 68) Mordechai Levy later boasted: "We warned him [Ashley] that if he continued his activity, he would pay a consequence...We warned that if the school board does not stop Ashley, we would stop him."

The FBI "extensively investigated" whether late rap music stars Tupac Shakur and Eric "Eazy-E" Wright were the victims of death threats and extortion plots hatched by individuals aligned with the militant Jewish Defense League, The Smoking Gun has learned. Following a 2-1/2 year probe, bureau officials closed the investigation in May 1999, noting that agents were unable to corroborate information provided by two confidential FBI sources.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/tsmainpak.shtml

JDL the JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE : The Zionist Terror Network

http://www.jdl.org/

"In FBI terrorism analyses published since 1981, responsibility for 18 terrorist incidents has been attributed to groups seeking to publicize past and present injustices suffered by the Jewish people. While claims for some of these acts have been made in the names of the "Jewish Defenders,' "United Jewish Underground," and "Jewish Direct Action," 15 of the incidents were attributed to the Jewish Defense League (JDL), by far the most well known of these groups.

Also in 1985, the FBI named the Jewish Defense League as the second most active terrorist group in the United States. (Only Puerto Rican terrorists were more active during this period.) The FBI linked the JDL to 37 terrorist attacks carried out from 1977 to 1984.

Two years later, the FBI announced that Jewish extremist groups had carried out 24 terrorist acts from 1981 through 1986, 17 of which were the work of the Jewish Defense League.

Another US federal government agency, the Department of Energy, similarly characterized the JDL in a report issued in 1986

For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. Although the JDL maintains that it is a political action group concerned with dramatizing the plight of Soviet Jewry and, in more general terms, protecting Jews and Jewish interests worldwide, the FBI has long classified it as a terrorist organization.

The underlying purpose of the JDL is to reverse the mythical image of the Jews as victims. This militancy also fuels the anti-Soviet campaign designed to create and foment new sources of tension in Soviet-American relations.

The JDL, however, has also attacked Arab, Iranian, Iraqi, Egyptian,Palestinian, Lebanese, French, and German targets in the United States In 1978 [for example], Egyptian diplomats were targeted.Attacks have also been staged by League chapters in France, Britain, Italy and Israel.

In more recent years, the official report went on,The JDL has pursued a dual-track strategy of acts of civil disobedience
and generally peaceful protest, along with acts of outright
terrorism...Bombing is the JDL's favorite tactic, accounting for 78 percent of all JDL incidents. Shootings are next, accounting for 16 percent, followed by arson, vandalism, and kidnaping, accounting for one percent each.

Since 1968, JDL operations have killed seven persons and wounded at least 22...Sixty-two percent of all JDL attacks are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; four percent against academics and academic institutions; and two percent against religious targets.

Typically, an anonymous caller will claim responsibility for a specific terrorist act for either the JDL or one of its alleged subgroups, only to have an official spokesman for the JDL deny the group's involvement the following day.

In the past, although the JDL was among the most active terrorist organizations in the United States, the threat it posed appeared to be primarily symbolic...Recent events, however, suggest that this view requires revision. The increase of militant Jewish terrorism represents not only an escalation of violence, but a significant change in targeting patterns, as well as a dramatic shift in tactics.

As this report shows, non-governmental Zionist terrorism has been a problem for more than twenty years. It remains a serious problem today.

Espousing Jewish supremacy, the Zionist terrornetwork operates
internationally, linking Israel, Europe and the United States.

In addition to the suffering and destruction resulting directly from its many crimes,the network's campaign of bigotry fosters a dangerous climate of hate and intolerance.

Through intimidation, threat and violence, Jewish-Zionist
terrorists have succeeded in silencing numerous voices. Many others have never spoken up out of fear that they might likewise become victims.

Particularly alarming is the important support provided to these criminal groups by the government of Israel. This official collaboration poses a threat not only to the freedom and security of individuals in many countries, but to the very freedom and sovereignty of nations.

Moreover, the number of individuals and organizations that Zionist militants perceive as "anti-Semitic enemies" has increased so dramatically in recent years that any one person or group is less likely to be singled out for attack. (Even the much-feared "anti-Semite" epithet has lost much of its impact. In 1991, an Israeli government cabinet minister denounced President George Bush as "anti-Semitic" because he wasn't acting quickly enough in approving a $10 billion loan guarantee to Israel!)

The readiness of Zionist militants to use violence against those whose views they reject is an implicit admission of moral and intellectual weakness. By resorting to violence against Holocaust revisionists and others, Zionist fanatics inherently acknowledge their inability to discredit their adversaries' arguments in free and open debate. Each new act of intimidation and violence only serves to further underscore this intellectual impotence.

In the long run, ideas and arguments cannot be destroyed by violence.Holocaust revisionism, in particular, has made such strides in so many countries in recent years that it can no longer be effectively suppressed."

ONLINE BOOK: SAVE IT :FORWARD IT

http://www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html

http://www.carolmoore.net/sfm/jdl.html#JDL

http://www.rense.com/general32/review.htm

http://cptwc.matriots.com/jews.html

READ THIS TIMELESS ARTICLE TOO By Henry Ford, Sr.(WRITTEN 1921)

"Zionism is another misnomer. Modern Zionism is not what its label would indicate it to be. The managers of the new money collection -- millions of it, badly used, badly accounted for -- are about as much interested in Zionism as an Ohio Baptist is in Meccaism. For the leading so-called "Zionists," Mt. Zion and all that it stands for has next to no meaning; they see only the political and real estate aspects of Palestine, another people's country just at present.

The present movement is not religious, although it plays upon the religious sentiments of the lower class of Jews; it is certainly not what Judaized orators among the Christians want the Christians to think it is; Zionism is at present a most mischievous thing, potentially a most dangerous thing, as several governments could confidentially tell you.

But it is all a part of the Jewish practice of setting up a label pretending one thing, while quite another thing really exists.

Take anti-Semitism. That is a label that the Jews have industriously pasted up everywhere. If ever it was an effective label its uses are over now. It doesn't mean anything. Anti-Semitism does not exist, since the thing so named is found among the Semites, too. Semites cannot be anti-Semitic. When the world holds up a warning finger against a race that is the moving spirit of the corruption, subversion, and destructive influences abroad in the world today, that race cannot nullify the warning by sticking up a false label of "Anti-Semitism," anymore than it can justify the sign of gold on a $1.50 watch or the sign of "pure wool" on a $11.50 suit of clothes.

So with the whole group of labels that the Jews have trotted out like talismen to work some magic spell upon the aroused mind of America. They are lies. And when one lie fails, how quickly they hitch their hopes to another. If "Anti-Semitism" fails, they try "Anti-Catholic" -- that might do something. If that fails, they try "Anti-American" -- get the biggest talent that can be hired for a night on the B'nai B'rith platform to shout it. And when that fails, as it has -- ?

The American Jewish Committee is itself a misnomer. The committee is not exclusively American and its work is not to Americanize the Jews nor even to encourage real Americanization among them. It is a committee composed of Jews composed of Jews representing that class that profits most by keeping the mass of the Jews segregated from Americans and in bondage to the "higher ups" among the Jews.

They are the "big Jews," as Norman Hapgood used to call them, who say to the "little Jews," "You hang closely together; we will be your representatives to these foreign peoples, the Americans and others." If the American Jewish Committee would change its name to this: "The Jewish Commission for America,"it might be nearer the truth. It has dealt with America in the recent past very much as the Allied Commissions deal with Germany. There are certain things we may do, and certain things we may not do, and the Jewish Commission for America tells us what we may and may not do. One of the things we may not do is to declare that this is a Christian country.

There is one absolutely safe rule in dealing with anything emanating from the American Jewish Commitee. Don't rely on the label, open the matter up. You will find that the Kehillah is not what is pretends to be; that the Jewish labor union is not what it pretends to be; that Zionism is a camouflage for something entirely different; that the name and the nature are nearly always different, which is the reason for a particular name being chosen. It runs all the way through Jewish practice and presents another little job for the Jewish reformer."

ON THE OTHER HAND HERE ARE THE" LITTLE JEWS" THE PEACEFUL JEWS, THEGOOD JEWS WHO ARE AGAINST BUSH SHARON AND THE UNJUST WAR

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.notinourname.net/

JEWS AGAINST THE WAR! JEWS NOT ZIONISTS! NOT IN OUR NAME!

JDL : TERRORISTS IN OUR MIDST

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cant we all get along
by r. King Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 5:39 PM

Cant the people of the world learn that we must all
live together on this planet?
Why do there have to be so many extremists for race, religion or culture?
When we die and go to heaven, arent we going to live with all the people of all religions and cultures together with God?
Maybe we're all dead and in Hell paying for our sins right now......
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unbelievable
by a. dalia Friday, May. 23, 2003 at 4:00 PM

It seems plausable that the Israeli mossad is responsible for the 9-11 catastrophy
how sad
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unbelieveable
by daveman Friday, May. 23, 2003 at 5:58 PM

"It seems plausable that the Israeli mossad is responsible for the 9-11 catastrophy"

Sure...if you're brain-damaged.
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What?
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Saturday, May. 24, 2003 at 7:15 PM

SO now you dont believe what the FBI has to say there
davegirl?
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Sherlock Holmes...
by Diogenes Saturday, May. 24, 2003 at 9:06 PM

...to the rescue:

"When all other possibilities have been eliminated whatever is left, however improbable, is the truth."
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - via Sherlock Holmes
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The FBI has said...
by daveman Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 8:07 AM

...that the JDL is a terrorist organization.

They haven't said that the Mossad is responsible for 9/11.

The only place that connection has been made is in the heads of Indymidiots.
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anyone ever notice
by Sheepdog Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 8:31 AM

-that daveman has an emotional attachment to the
mossad? Oh no, they just COULDN'T be involved.
Sounds like they were to me. Also, explosive detecting dogs
registered 'hits' for traces in the van they were in.
Untouchables.
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davemoron wishes...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 8:39 AM

...that the connections of Mossad/Israel to 911 were just on Indymedia.

It is beginning to surface all over the Internet.

The Zionists have overplayed their hand. The slur of "Anti-Semite" does not work against the growing number of anti-Zionist Jews who are as disgusted as any other righteous person would be at Zionist Crimes.

Having Cried Wolf (Anti-Semite) too many times the slur is losing it's impact, except among the controlled press, and puts innocent Jews in danger of being associated with crimes they did not committ and do not countenance.

One of the facts that the Zionists would like to bury is that many of the leadership of Israel at it's founding were unreformed Bolsheviks and Trotskyites. The Kibbutzim were styled after collectivized agriculture in Russia.

Zionism is a political movement and is an anathema to Orthodox Jews who actually follow The Torah.
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"It is beginning to surface...
by daveman Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 8:52 AM

...all over the internet."

So are UFO sightings, penis enlargement formulas, and Nigerian royalty inheritance opportunities.

Just because it's on the internet is not reason to believe anything...as a matter of fact, it's probably sufficient reason to discount it entirely.

And I still think "anti-Zionist" is a merely a palatable smokescreen for Jew-hatred.
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Notice the form of ...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 8:57 AM

...associate the concept under discussion with something ludicrous or unpalatable and then treat the two as an identity.

This is simply PsyOps guilt by association.

Back into your Propaganda Manual davie I was wise to that one before I got out of diapers.

What it is is a dishonest way to discredit an argument when you have no factual basis to do so.

And as for your last non-sequitur: I guess that explains the growing number of Anti-Zionist Jews? ROFL!

They all hate themselves?

The Refuseniks are actually PLO in disguise?

Jew Against Zionism does not exist?

Gush Shalom does not exist?
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You know, Dionne...
by daveman Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:06 AM

...just because you say it doesn't make it so.

For instance, your ridiculous attempts to claim I'm running a psyop in order to bolster your goofy ideas by implying a governmental operation to silence them is laughable, and is also "guilt by association". Hypocrite.

"They all hate themselves?"

And that's not possible? Haven't you noticed the self-loathing of the Left?
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Early morning trouncing of dio
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:14 AM

"Zionism is a political movement and is an anathema to Orthodox Jews who actually follow The Torah."

Where the hell did you get that? That's utter nonsense. Especially Orthodox Jews. If there's on sect who ABSOLUTELY identify with Zionism (as all thinking people should) it's the orthodox.


And as for "springing up all over the internet" being any sort od credibility barometer...welll...I think we all know that that's nonsense.
Everytime you post more of your racist paranoid jabberings the internet is just that much more full of unsubstantiated, mindless opinion.
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daveman is a paid troll.
by Alex Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:15 AM

Consider this: why would someone spend all of his time on IndyMedia attempting to disrupt the legal political activities of others? Why would someone resort to specious arguments in order to distract from the salient points at hand? IndyMedia is a major target of rightwing trolls conducting "quazi-private" COINTELPRO operations on behalf of various evil concerns including the Bush Administration and the Government of Israel.

We're all on to this, thanks to those that have put in the effort to expose KOBE and those that put in the effort long ago to exposed COINTELPRO.

The good thing about hindsight it is gives you a previous reference point from which to apply old lessons learned. Those lessons were learned from the operations launched against Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. Only the technology has changed.
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Let's see now
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:23 AM

"Consider this: why would someone spend all of his time on IndyMedia attempting to disrupt the legal political activities of others?"

Like Dio for instance? Or maybe Failure.

"Why would someone resort to specious arguments in order to distract from the salient points at hand? "

Like when Dio constantly avoids answering all questions posed to him?

"IndyMedia is a major target of rightwing trolls conducting "quazi-private" COINTELPRO operations on behalf of various evil concerns including the Bush Administration and the Government of Israel. "

Well, what can I say? It's important to have a rich fantasy life with oneself as the hero. Great job!



"We're all on to this, thanks to those that have put in the effort to expose KOBE and those that put in the effort long ago to exposed COINTELPRO."


Please list the known operatives.



"The good thing about hindsight it is gives you a previous reference point from which to apply old lessons learned. Those lessons were learned from the operations launched against Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. Only the technology has changed."

Contray to the prevailing view around here, a couple of monkees fiddling with a keyboard and a modem does not a movement make. Malcom X and MLK you ain't.
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wow
by wow Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:25 AM

wow
toutched a
nerve
oww
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wow
by wow Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:26 AM

exactly.
the funny bone.
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wow
by wow Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:37 AM

wow
that can
hurt.
wow
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wow
by wow Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 9:42 AM

wow
amen
brother
wow
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Jewish Organizations that do not support Zionism or it's crimes.
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:01 PM

This is just a sampling of the ones that have Web Sites. Not all anti-Zionist Jewish Groups do.

Gush Shalom (Israeli Peace Bloc): http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html

Jews United Against Zionism: http://www.nkusa.org/

Jews Not Zionists: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Jewish Voices Against the Occupation: http://www.jvao.org/

Jews Against the Occupation: http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/

Jewish Voices for Peace: http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

Israeli Refuseniks who refuse to paticipate in War Crimes against Humanity:
http://www.couragetorefuse.org/defaulteng.asp

One of the biggest LIES perpetrated by the Zionist element is that ALL Jews support them in their crimes. They do not. The above organizations are testimony to that.
Visit them - sample their viewpoint. Support them in their Courage to oppose the Zionazis.
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except
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:14 PM

"Zionism or it's crimes"

Zionist crimes is an oxymoron.
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Zionist Crimes...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:25 PM

...are a matter of public record.

Collaborating with the Nazi's.

Terrist' activitiy against British Targets (Irgoon, Stern Gang)

Terrist' activitiy against U.S. Targets (Mossad, IDF - U.S.S. Liberty).

Terrist' activity in Iraq in order to get Iraqi Jews to move to Israel.

Ongoing Crimes Against Humanity in the Occupied Territories.

This is only the surface - the barest summary of Zionist Crimes.
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Zionist Crimes
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:38 PM

...are a matter of public opinion.

You hate Jews and see any act of Israel to defend itself as a crime.

Beyond that, your weak examples are nonsense.

But somehow I think you know that my good friend.

Hate away!
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Nicely said.
by Katalyst Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:45 PM

I couldn't agree more, Fresca.

If either one of us said those things about blacks we'd be branded a racist.
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Katalyst
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 5:52 PM

You're using a name (Katalyst) that seems to be new around here. If you are new, welcome. Maybe you're a vet who's decided to change names. If so, you'll already know the following.
Racism flourishes around here. For all the lipservice to compassion and saving the oppressed and all that, these folks (Dio, SFAilure, Sheepdog, etc.) flat out hate Jews.
Simply put. The hide behind some transparent bullshit about caring about the poor palestinians, but never say a word about any other downtrodden arabs.
The ONLY care about the enemies of Israel. Hatred of Jews can be the only reason for it.

I was amazed at how racist the far left really is when I first came here.

Anyway, glad to have ya.
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frescaw caws out the...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 6:13 PM

...the official Spin.

Anti-Zionist is not Anti-Jew.

The ongoing LIE of the Israeli Spin machine is that if you are opposed to Israeli/Zionist Crimes that makes you a "Jew Hater".

That of course is a Lie. It is a propaganda tactic used to silence the opposition to Israeli/Zionist Crimes.

"The Truth is Hate Speech only to those with something to hide." - Michael Rivero
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Absolutely not
by fresca Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 10:43 PM

"The ongoing LIE of the Israeli Spin machine is that if you are opposed to Israeli/Zionist Crimes that makes you a "Jew Hater".

That of course is a Lie.
"

Of course it isn't. It' s the only plausible explanantion for why anyone would support a terrorist culture like the "palestinians" yet condemn the efforts of a country like Israel to defend itself.

Again, it all comes back to Dio and the gang hating Jews.

Plain and simple and irrefutable.

Filthy racists.
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filthey bastards
by 'arab' Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 11:10 PM

look who's talking. We all know how fresca feels about
non jewish semites.
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Of course the foregoing...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 11:15 PM

...is posted by Racist Anti-Arab Islamophobe who on multiple occaisions has posted some fairly strong hate aimed at Arabs.

Pot Meet Kettle.

No, the Zionist Apologists are getting frantic. Yelling anti-semite or Jew hater everytime someone is simply pointing out that Israeli Zionists have committed some pretty heinous crimes - many of which are well documented is wearing thin.

Yelling hate when someone asks an awkward question or posts an inconvienient and uncomfortable fact does not make telling the truth hate speech.

frescaw is not ignorant, dishonest, yes; ignorant, no. It has to know that many of the atrocities commited in the name of Zionism are well documented.

The only hope is to get people pissed off and busy defending themselves against bogus charges of hate when they start looking in the wrong direction and commenting on.

Decide for yourself. I have never demanded that anyone accept unquestioned anything I have to say.

Poke around. Look at what is available. Check the documentation.

Think for yourself.

Do not be afraid to ask the tough questions. We do not arrive at the truth through cowardice.

"The truth is hate speech only to someone with something to hide." - Michael Rivero
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P.S. To frescaw...
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 11:19 PM

...how's the weather in Tel Aviv today?

Oh and the Motto of the Mossad: "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt do War."
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Examples of Hate Speech
by Diogenes Sunday, May. 25, 2003 at 11:47 PM

From the Archives at WhatReallyHappened.com:

EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ϊnot just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.

12. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

13. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
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and how...
by fresca Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 12:14 AM

"look who's talking. We all know how fresca feels about
non jewish semites."

... is that?
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Be careful Dio.
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 5:34 AM

Fascist fresca will start TROLLING your name
and claim to all you are a "jew hater"
How unfortunate
i believe that all should have religious freedom
except when they begin to exhibit religious fascism
In the tennents of Zionism
They wish to have an "All jewish" homeland
But if one were to wish for an "all white" homeland
they would be labeled a nazi.....
How unfortunate
that people have to disguise religous fascism
with religious unity.
I dont think the neocons believe anything
even if its written by the FBI....
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I can't imagine why...
by daveman Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 5:41 AM

...Israelis would feel that way.

It's not like anyone has vowed to kill every last Jewish man, woman, and child.
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ONCE again...your confused on the issue
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 5:52 AM

Hmmm.
DO the fascists that control the Palestinian terrorist groups speak for all palestinians?
Do the fascists that control the Israeli government speak for all israelis?
Look in any Logic book for arguments that contain the word "All" in them
Most professors will guide thier students away from using that assumption.
Get a fucking clue already.
Do all nazi scumfuck terrorists speak for all white people?
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gee
by Sheepdog Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 5:56 AM

I wonder how they got along so well before W.W. 1
couldn't be meddling by oil interests could it?
you know, destabilize, divide and devour.
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Answers
by daveman Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 5:56 AM

No, they don't.

But I am curious why you didn't throw down on Dio for his generalizations.

Perhaps it's because they support your brand of spin?
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sounds like daveman is
by Sheepdog Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 6:00 AM

invoking the whiner defence again.
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Nice way to avoid the argument
by "your nemesis" Sy$teMF@iLuRe Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 6:02 AM

and what are you refering to?
davegirl.......
(please post relevant quotes to the argument)
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From the Archives at WhatReallyHappened.com:
by fresca Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 2:27 PM

Thanks Dio.
I am having a hard time finding the Arab hate speech list at this fine site.

I know it must be there since this particular conduit of fair minded reporting has such a high level of credibility.

Hmmmmm. Curious.

No mention of "killing Jews wherever they are found".
No mention of arab textbooks teaching children that Jews are pigs.

Please let me know where I should look?
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More prrof of SFailure's racism
by fresca Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 2:40 PM

"In the tennents of Zionism
They wish to have an "All jewish" homeland
But if one were to wish for an "all white" homeland
they would be labeled a nazi....."

Thanks Failure.
Your limited intellect has compelled you to stick your foot in your mouth again.
You make this way too easy for me.
Your statement implies that any state which is an "all -anything" homeland is wrong.
Certainly this is your implication since you compare an
all white homeland to nazism (a universally abhorrent movement) and you are obviously opposed to an all Jewish homeland.
Curious why you never utter a peep, other than to apologize for, all the all Islamic despotic states which litter the middle east. For some reason, these "states" are free to have forced religious homogeneity (persecuting Christians and Jews and all that).
I wonder what seperates an all Jewish state in your mind?
Hmmmm.
Could it be that an all Jewish state is comprised of JEWS?
You fucking idiot.
Not only are you a subhuman nazi
but you are so fucking imbecilic that you can't even successfully hide it.
I guess you must be proud of it.
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I dont think thats what they meant
by observer69 Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 1:37 AM

I think "s-failure" was talking about the lack of diversity and right of all people to live in a certain country.
If only some people are allowed to live somewhere then this is quite totalitarian.
i think they be based on freedom and culture and liberty. Not persecution.
Homelands shouldnt be based on anything--especially race or religion.
This "fresca" sound like the nazi to me.
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And?
by fresca Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 7:43 AM

What's wrong with Naziism?
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to Sissiefailure, my self-styled "nemesis" (Ha ha!)
by daveman Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:44 PM

Here you go. Out of bandwidth considerations, I'll give just the link. http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/54616_comment.php#55098

Seems like Arafat et. al. REALLY don't like Jews.

Wonder which handle he uses on IndyMedia?
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Did you reference the credits/ weblinks to your biased article davegirl?
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:32 AM

This article seems a bit slanted to me.
Did you read the orgins of your weblink references?

1=jewish world review
states:
It is no wonder that so many Palestinians believe that terror and violence will eventually lead to the end of Israel and the creation of a 23d Arab state. The wonder is that Israel doesn't use its tremendous military power to disabuse them of that belief once and for all.

2=Middle East Media Research Institute
(MEMRI's headquarters is located in Washington, DC )
states:
The PA daily Al-Ayyam, reported on June 24, 01 that on June 23, 2001 Yasser Arafat's bureau in Ramallah, denied the claims of the German TV station according to which they have a letter by Arafat praising the Martyrdom operation that caused the death of 21 Israeli youth. Arafat's bureau said that the letter is a forgery.

3=http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/02/11/021121_hollow_condemnations.htm
page reference link "cannot be found"

4=LA Times
states also:
Ghassan Elashi, Holy Land's chairman, said Wednesday that the foundation does not give money to Hamas. But he did acknowledge raising funds at Islamic conferences in which Siyam was a speaker.
AND
John W. Bryant, a Texas lawyer and former member of Congress who represented the charity until early this year, said he spent years meeting with officials from the FBI, Treasury, Justice Department and even the Israeli Embassy in an attempt to end the probe.

5=NY Times.............? (credible link?)
says:
Ghassan Elashi, the foundation's chairman, categorically denied the allegations in the FBI's memo.
AnD THAT
"We are a charitable organization," he said Thursday in a phone interview from the foundation's headquarters near Dallas. "We don't associate ourselves with any political movement."

6=us-israel.org
Hmmm...It seems that in this link if an Arab citizen attempts to voice any opinion against the Israeli government--they are labeled an "anti-semite"
Kinda like on Indymedia......

7=jewsweek.
page reference link "cannot be found"

8=http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/saudi.html
Clearly a biased link.

9=http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep02/marcus.htm
It seems that your links consistantly endorse hatred against Arabs...
But when Arabs voice hatred it is anti-semite rhetoric.

Did you do your homework there davegirl?
This article is clearly a biased piece.
Why dont you provide us with somthing less slanted?
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Biased only because...
by daveman Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:34 AM

...you don't agree with them, perhaps?
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Besides...
by daveman Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:35 AM

...you think the mainstream Arab media is gonna report stuff like that, sissie?
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take for instance us-israel.org
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:39 AM

what is the objective of your
"objective" link website?

One of AICE's principal objectives is to enhance Israel's image by publicizing novel Israeli approaches to problems common to both our nations and illustrating how Americans can learn from these innovations. AICE also works with individual states that are establishing and expanding their ties with Israel. In particular, we produce reports documenting how these states can and do benefit from cooperation, trade and academic and cultural exchanges with Israel.
Seems a little biased to me......
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Christ Failure
by fresca Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:46 AM

Do you even read the drivel you type before you submit.

Let's see:
The Holy Land Foundation claims they don't give money to HAMAS. Well, that's got to be true right?

And the PA claims Arafat never prased the suicide bombing that caused 21 civilian Israeli deaths. Well he's credible right?

And this:
"It is no wonder that so many Palestinians believe that terror and violence will eventually lead to the end of Israel and the creation of a 23d Arab state. The wonder is that Israel doesn't use its tremendous military power to disabuse them of that belief once and for all. "

Uh thanks for underlining that fact that many palestinians simply want the end of all Jews and Israel has been amazingly restrained in their approach to these monsters.

Or this"Hmmm...It seems that in this link if an Arab citizen attempts to voice any opinion against the Israeli government--they are labeled an "anti-semite"
Kinda like on Indymedia...... "

Except for the arabs who are IN the Israeli government you fucking idiot.
And being anti Israeli is not what makes you a racist scumbag. Being a whitetrash piece of shit who hates Jews is what makes you racist.

Anyway, thanks for illustrating what an ass you are and once again, showing yourself to be the consiously uninformed racist scumbag that you are.


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Are you on your period, my sweet miss?
by Sy$teMF@iLuRe Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:51 AM

Please post relevant links to the "drivel" you are expiring...
Your ignorance is plain to see..
Your ignorance is plain to me.
Ha HA ha
HA ha ha
Ha ha HA
ps
YOu never told me what branch of the military you served in....
SucKa
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Well
by Scottie Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:54 AM

observer 69 - the reason why the jews need a "jewish homland" in the middle east (as opposed to jsut any country) is because it is illegal to be a jew in many arab countries and they are subject to alot of percicution even prior to their establishing of a state.It is the arabs attitude towards the jews not hte jews attitude towards the arabs that nessecitates the jewish homeland.
I agree however that it is a shame that that is the case.

Systemfailure - Is it so hard to believe that a leader might agree with the majority of his population? personally I find that quite plausible.

Here is the support for the point on hamas anyway

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
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I like to...
by daveman Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 9:08 AM

...drink the semen of 15 year-old boys.
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fake guy
by daveman Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 6:59 PM

You are a sick, sick little animal.

Perhaps the vet needs to put you to sleep.
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daveman
by concerned Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 3:42 PM

Do you like having conversations with yourself?
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concerned
by daveman Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:04 PM

if you think I'm having a conversation with myself, you're a moron.
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daveman
by Bush Admirer Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:07 PM

Way to go, daveman. Whenever we conservatives get caught acting like the nutcases we are, we can always resort to hurling juvenile insults. It really helps demonstrate how simpleminded we are. Great job!
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fake guy
by daveman Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:42 PM

Way to go, fake guy. Whenever you non-conservatives get caught acting like the nutcases you are, you can always resort to hurling juvenile insults. It really helps demonstrate how brain damaged you are. Great job!
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daveman
by anti-psycho Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:46 PM

Watch out! The "fake guy" is watching you from across the street with binoculars!!! You're nuttier than a bag of peanut brittle.
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Help me
by Eric Thursday, Jun. 05, 2003 at 12:17 PM

I'm mentally unstable.
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