peace is coming. palestinian suicide bombers are trying hard to stop the peace. hopefully israel will not retaliate. the only way for peace is for israel to show restraint. they cannot give in to the suicide bombers.

I'm with you on this one.

So am I.
Again just my opinion.

That is the only kind of restraint that makes any sense. The Zionists need to go back to being people, rather than political hacks. As the Neturai Karta, or Guardians of the City, put it, a Jewish state is against the Torah. . .www.nkusa.org

peace is just the first step. who knows, maybe 100 years from now israel and palestine will unify?

Yes I hope they show restraint. Either that or figure out a strategy that actually works.
Unfortunatly "giving the palistinians everything" probably doesnt work either..
How about "both territories become part of the EU?"
It might even be more practical than a negotiated solution

for the past 50+ years!

Thanks for being one of my biggest fans.

do stupid things, governments, cause widespread devastation. The difference is in the scope of power the Israeli's have over Palestinians. Suicide bombers are just a thorn in the achilles heel, not quite an arrow. Impoverished people numbering in the millions and watching thier children starved while having numbers written on their arms, now that's a travesty. I'm not for suicide bombers, but if your family was starving, and there was no hope because of a government, wouldn't you attack the people who supported your opressor? I wish my family had fought the Germans when they did that to them in the 40's. I hope Israel shows humility, humanity, compassion, and restraint, because as an Israeli, I don't see that they ever really have. If they cared at all, they would set up safe zones in that battleground for children and regular working families, but they haven't. Just more settlements and more normal Joe's getting snuffed daily. Nice restraint. Sorry, I have more love for the concept of Israel than most, but I cannot condone Jews behaving like Nazi's, and I never will. Perhaps I may be more of a turn the other cheek Christian, but I feel Israeli violence has been an overwhelming factor in all of this.

i agree. also what the Israelis up until this point havent realized is that their disproportionate military responses to palestinian attacks are exactly what palestinian rejectionist groups want. palestinian terrorist organizations seek (because they know they cannot destroy israel by bombing people here and there) to provoke a disproportionate israeli military response against palestinian civilians. by collectively punishing all palestinians for the actions of a few, the Israelis are aiding palestinian terrorists by driving the palestinian moderates into the rejectionist camp and away from the reconciliation camp.

I'd love for it to be true but the Palestinian leaders don't want peace. They want Israel gone.

What's the chance that a Palestinian state will actually be formed? Arafat and Co. couldn't even handle simple tasks like cooridinating trash pick-up, much less oversee a Palestinian state. And any Palestinian state would need to immediately recognize Israel's right to exist. What's the chance of that happening?

For the sake of the people in the area, we'd all love to see peace.

...Arafat has solutions for all society's needs.

Trash disposal? Put dynamite belts around all the trash cans.

Water supplies? Kill all the Jews so they won't drink any water.

Elections? Vote for Arafat or get shot.

Make the buses run on time? Blow them up, so it's a moot point.

Unemployment? Kill all the Jews, so Palistinians can have all the jobs.

Electrical distribution? You can shoot all the Jews, so you don't need electricity...plus, the streetlights make great places to hang Jews.

See? He's got it all covered.

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Looks alryte 2 us!

another problem is that pro-israelis refuse to believe that the palestinians dont mind co-existing with israelis.

Some of them mind as in "REALLY mind". we know that they include the peopel in Hamas. Also the lack of terrorist attacks by civilians against palistinians suggests that the israelis dont mind co existing except on safety grounds.

thats the whole point right there.

there are extremists on both sides that dont want to coexist

i.e. palestinian terror groups
israeli ultra-right wing groups

its unfair to say that either side is unwilling to coexist with each other because the truth is only the minority extremists want to exterminate each other

Arafat talks about this final solution.

Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996.
Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel".
"We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. Arafat's plan has two main components aimed to cause the Jews to abandon Israel. "Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. Arafat explained that this will be the beginning of a pressure campaign resulting within a few years in Israel's ultimate destruction. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"
On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of
Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."
After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians. The PLO web site posted a statement -- celebrating the attacks:
"With faith in the calling of holy jihad," it said, "two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks... These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur."
That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack "Palestine-Israel," and reported that the bombings had killed "23 Israeli settlers." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby011003.asp
After the disco massacre last year, which murdered 21 Israeli school girls, a German TV station interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who showed a letter he received from Arafat, where Arafat praised and glorified his son's actions. Its good to know, Edward Herman thinks Arafat who praises when Palestinians slaughter Israeli woman and children is a man of peace. http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=SP23701
Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, "We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well." Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, "Zionist colonizers" killed in a "qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer." http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/02/11/021121_hollow_condemnations.htm
Palestinians and Arabs talks how they want to exterminate the Jews.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story
Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."
Another link to this story of Hamas calling for extermination of Jews. http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20011207/60241.html
At that conference, organized by the Muslim Arab Youth Association, Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, introduced as the head of Hamas' military wing, told the crowd: "Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all. Exterminate them. No peace ever."
Syrian Defence Minister Mustafa Tlass, In May 2001 stated on Lebanon television, that if every Arab kills one Jew, there will be no Jews left at all. http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabpress0501.html
Hamas terrorist chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.
Shoshana Gottleib, a young, religious mother of four, who told her story, she was in was attacked by murderous Palestinian machine-gun fire by terrorists, and how bending down to put orange peels in a plastic bag, she avoided the bullet that went through her headrest. As it was, Shoshana was critically injured, her spinal cord severed, paralyzing her for life from the chest down. One of the most interesting parts of Shoshana's presentation was her revelation that the terrorists who opened fire on her were three policemen in Arafat's Palestinian Authority, a fourth, who was Arafat's personal bodyguard in Force 17, and a fifth who had been recruited with the promise of $500. One of the terrorists videotaped the attack on the van, and it was sent to Yasir Arafat. http://www.jewsweek.com/myturn/323.htm
Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women, Sheikh Ibrahim Mattsai said, "Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?" Mattsai goes on to say. "How excited I was to hear a Palestinian child tell me that when he is 14 years old he will blow himself up and become a martyr... I praise those sons of Allah who give you and me martyrdom."
O God, the Jews have transgressed all limits in their tyranny," Shaik Abd-al-Bari al Thubayti prayed in a June 7 sermon on official Saudi TV2. "O God, shake the ground under their feet, pour torture on them, and destroy all of them." This and similar statements appear in a forthcoming Anti-Defamation League paper on Saudi bigotry. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/saudi.html
Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, a Palestinian Authority religious leader: "We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv"
"We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya... We will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Moslem! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him'. We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors...."
[Preacher Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, PATV, 3 August 2001] http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep02/marcus.htm
Khalad Mashal, Hamas (Reuters, February 16):
"You have no place here, on the holy land of Palestine... You will never have security in this place, not even on a single centimeter of this land. This is a call for every Palestinian to turn into a time bomb - to fight them with every means at your disposal."
"Kill them! Allah will answer them through your means! I hope that there are those among you who will kill and be killed!"
The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.
Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."
Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."
He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction.
Sari Nusseibeh is another supposed Palestinian moderate.
In an interview on Al-Jazeera television on July 14, translated by Memri. Nusseibeh praised everyone involved in jihad against Israel. Explaining that he did not want to pass moral judgment on the murderers when he signed a petition a month earlier calling for an end to suicide bombers, Nusseibeh said that terrorism presents no moral dilemma, it is only a question of whether or not "political benefit" accrues from killing Israeli civilians. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/genocide.html
One week after the Dolphinarium bombing on June 1, 2001 in Tel Aviv in which 21 people, mainly young girls, were killed, PA television carried the sermon of Sheik Ibrahim Al-Madhi. He said: “Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons’ and plunged into the midst of the Jews, crying ‘Allahu Akbar...’
http://www.world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html
One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.” www. world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html
On Oct. 24, the Palestinian Liberation Army Mufti, Sheikh Col. Nader Al-Tamini, said in a television debate on the Qatari Arabic cable news channel Al-Jazeera that there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holidays of Passover and Purim.
Just four days later, the official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a full-page article by columnist Adel Hamooda titled, "A Jewish Matzoh Made from Arab Blood." It retold the infamous blood libel story of 1840 in great detail, recounting it as a documented historical fact.
The author went on to explain that the Jews' "bestial drive" to add the blood of non-Jews to matzoh is at the root of the violence. He said Palestinians are often found without a single drop of blood in their bodies.
"The most reasonable explanation is that the blood was taken to be kneaded into the dough of extremist Jews to be used in Matzohs to be devoured during Passover," he wrote.
Huh? That's the most reasonable explanation? The answer is yes to the hysterical propagandists of the Middle East.
Egyptian Television last November and Palestinian Television in 2001 broadcast A 30-part series -- produced by Arab Radio and Television, featuring a cast of 400, and aired during the second half of Ramadan this year -- "dramatized" the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Last March, we were treated to an article in the Saudi government daily, Al-Riyadh, describing in great detail the Jewish method of draining the blood of Muslim children to be used in baking Matza.
The racist lie that Jews drink the blood of Arabs into their matzah is graphically described in "The Matzah of Zion," published in 1983 by Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlas. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15098
Last June, A Palestinian homicide bomber walked into a shopping mall in a city near Tel Aviv and spotted an ice cream parlor full of children. He detonated a nail-packed bomb, that killed Sinai Keinanan 18-month-old girl, who just wanted an ice cream cone, and killed her grandmother too. Do you know Islamikaze mother, lauded the deeds of her son, butchering a Grandmother and her 2 year old Granddaughter. When CNN asked her, how she felt that he had murdered a Grandmother and 14 month old girl. She said how proud she was of her son's actions.
Here's the story of Gal Eizenman. She was murdered with her Grandmother by a Palestinian homicide bomber at a Jerusalem bus stop, after her kindergarten party. Here's her pic http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3328 Read the great commentaries.
Last weekend, after a suicide bomber killed eleven young Israelis at a Jerusalem cafe, and a terrorist with an automatic rifle killed a nine-month-old baby in her stroller in Netanya, thousands celebrated in the West Bank and Gaza. The following night, there was an interview with the father of the Netanya killer. He was proud of his son, saying he had five more sons whom he prayed to Allah would follow in the baby-killer's footsteps. How can you deter a killer who considers murder-suicide the greatest honor in life? Israelis cannot afford to continue enduring the terrible calculus of suicide attacks. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El234&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&
Nina Kardashov was joyfully celebrating her bat-mitzvah, the rite of passage to Jewish womanhood, with her friends and family. The band was playing, couples were dancing. The proud twelve-year-old, resplendent in her party dress, had just appeared on the stage. Then, as the amateur videos so horrifically showed, the Palestinian gunman starting shooting and people started dying, including Nina's grandfather and five other celebrants. An hour later, another celebration took place. In the Palestinian city of Tulkarm, hometown of the gunman, cars honked their horns, men shot in the air, strangers embraced in the streets and handed out candy. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El451&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&! ;
When Palestinians dance in the streets after hearing that Israeli civilians have been torn to pieces and charred beyond recognition, that society is expressing a kind of collective death wish. But the bombers and shooters, along with those who funds and direct them, don't just kill Israelis. They also write the death warrants for other Palestinians. They endanger and damage their own families and friends and neighbors. Actions produce consequences, and crimes invite punishment. The Palestinian Authority armed and financed the killers. Arafat called for a million of them. Parents pocketed a payoff from Saddam. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&
After the massacre of men, women, and children in a Jerusalem pizzeria by a Palestinian suicide bomber, there were probably some who believed that Israel would respond with a similar act of violent bloodletting. They were to be disappointed. The F-16 missile attack on the golden-domed PA police station in Ramallah at 1:30am, long after it had been evacuated, was just a red herring, a distraction from the maneuver that Israeli forces were executing at that moment.
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El829&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&
That I care for the well being of tens of Palestinian cancer patients and their families is irrelevant. As a Jew living in Israel, and, more specifically, Jerusalem, I am a potential target worthy of maiming or assassination. That is the miserable nature of the Palestinian struggle for self-determination. That I am here to recount these thoughts is by sheer virtue of timing. Minutes after I passed through the Pat intersection en route to the Shaare Zedek Medical Center, bus 32 was exploded by a young suicide bomber. Almost everyone on the bus was killed, most instantly.http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1172&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&
I thought about the school bus massacre a month ago, where a Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 11 people and injured 50--including many schoolchildren--aboard a crowded Israeli commuter bus in Jerusalem. Killed in the terror attack were an 8-year-old, four teenagers and six adults." Reuters reports that "witnesses said they heard children who had been on their way to school screaming 'Mamma, Mamma' from the wreckage." Hamas confessed to the atrocity.
Ehud Olmert said, "Every time I come to such a site, I can't escape the thought that a living person entered the bus, and he saw the young kid of 6, 7 years old sitting, and he blows him apart. This is something that you have to see to understand how terrible it is."
The murderer's father, Azmi Abu Hilail, praised his sons actions butchering Israeli school children and said he would want his other children to become homicide bombers and murder Israeli civilians.

...are there any questions on how the Palestinian leadership feels about coexisting with Israel?

...official Palestinian Television has something to say about it, too.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=16691

"Official Palestinian Authority [PA] TV has broadcast a music video calling
for the murder of Jews in the disputed areas, even showing scenes of Jewish
teenage girls and a Jewish couple, who are among those targeted for death by
PA TV."

The New X: Do you still think "death to Jews" is not a tenet of the Palestinians?

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I still think that the destruction of the Jews is not what the majority of palestinians want. the war on Iraq - you americans made every effort to differentiate between the wishes of Saddam's regime and the wishes of the Iraqi people. would it have been fair to say that Saddams opinions reflected the opinions of the Iraqis as a whole?

and all the stuff above... are you telling me there are not equally prominent israelis who believe in the complete expulsion of the palestinians too?

there are two sides to every story.

Have no doubt. If we could round up every Jew on the planet Earth and rocket-ship
them to Pluto, the first thing the Arabs would want to do would be to build a rocket
ship so they could fly to Pluto and kill the Jews.

Here in the real world, it's Thursday. What day is it in your world?

Given your MO, there's no doubt that you'd be the first in line to shove Jews into the ovens. Assclown.

And don't give me that "I'm the real Scottie" you pananoid psycho. Or this shit about "I'm a conservative".

Words can't express how happy we all are that you're a liberal. You embody the whole political philosophy: Lie, duck and cover.

I don't know what drugs you're on, but I'm Scottie. I couldn't care less if you think otherwise. And yes, I am a conservative. The likes of you make me embarrassed to say so.

Do you remember the day it was just you and me here and suddenly someone named
"occasional writer" logged on and absolutely buried the hell out of every post listed?
Damn that was something, wasn't it?

Do you remember the day it was just you and me here and suddenly someone named
"occasional writer" logged on and absolutely buried the hell out of every post listed?
Damn that was something, wasn't it?

Try putting the crack pipe down once in a while.

So maybe you don't.

It'd be a damn shame if it happened again, wouldn't it?

It could, you know.

Yeah, and you "could" actually make sense one day.

You are correct da,
Obviously none of the posts above are mine..
My style is generally pretty easy to tell from the "fake "

I know.

Our resident "faker" has one playbook and one play.

I know.

Our resident "faker" has one playbook and one play.

And you have NO playbook and NO play. In the future, spare everyone with your lame sports analogies.