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The anti-war movemnet has lost

by Freedomlover Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:12 AM

The anti-war movement has lost, and freedom has won.

Ok, my anti-war lefty friends, what do you say now? As multitudes of iraqi civilians express their jubilation over the ousting of president Saddam Hussein, I would be interested to hear your reaction. Were the Iraqi demonstrations staged? All part of the big propaganda campaign to keep us stupid joe publics from being as well-informed as you? Hey, the war isin't over yer, maybe the Saddam loyalists can still win!!! Or better yet, maybe their take to guerilla warfare and kill as many U.S. soldiers as possible!! Wow, yes so i guess there is hope. They havent found any weapons of mass destruction yet, eh? Thank God, because if they do then the war looks more justifiable, and we'll look like idiots!

Do you really want the Bush administration to involve the UN in the reconstruction of Iraq? I mean after all, it would be harder to wave your fingers with the rest of the world and say, "see...see..I told you so, look how rotten the U.S. is!" This may sound harsh my friends, but I really think that you were strongly disspaointed that the Bush administration was not targeting civilian infastructure, and of the limited civilian casualties. Not to trivialize the civilian deaths, but 1500 is not quite an astounding number during a large scale military conflict. More people were killed in the Serbia bombing as well as the war in Afghanistan (the former I didn't support by the way). You were hoping for the excessively high numbers of the first Gulf War, and when you didn;t get it, your basic attitude is, "yeah well the U.S. is still rotten anyway."

I use to respect the left. I really did. I use to think that the fact that most of you aren;t subodinated to state power shows that you probably have more tendacy to think for yourself, and you've confronted problems that the majority of Americans are not ready to confront, or are ignorant about, (Vietnam, Central America) even though I disagree with you on most things. But reacently, I've lost almost all my respect to for the left, due to the fact that you have an almost reflexive hatred for everything America does. You reject that the U.S. as a world superpower may have benign intentions based on ideals that we were founded on. (Freedom, democracy) And that these ideals can never be the impetus behind American policy, rather everything is done solely for profit, greed, dominance, and intimidation. In short, you fail to realize that the structure of the American system is one largely based on these ideals of freedom and democracy, and the system largely operates within these set parameters, however, the paramters are occasionally breeched, but not usaully.

Anyways, long live America.

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anti-war means anti-all-war

by learn Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:30 AM

We didn't lose because the battle isn't over.

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and in any event...

by learn Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:33 AM

...in the end, if "we" lose, you lose, because humanity will go extinct. The way the world is organized today isn't sustainable. Things will break down, and we will all die.

There is such a thing as a just war. I'm not a pacifist.

There is also a known truth today that most wars are the byproduct of lies, and that war ultimately risks our entire extinction

So, spam all you want, obfuscate with a framing of the argument that makes you think you have clarity of thought. The truth is, however, you have much to learn, not only for yourself, but for your kids or for the sake of kids you may have in the future.

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To Totalitarian Lover...

by Diogenes Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:56 AM

Which multitudes are you talking about? The Statue pull down? Take a look at the Reuters Photographs from a distance. Is 150, oh let’s be generous 200, people now a multitude?

Is that why : “Former Iraqi general Nizar Al-Khazaraji and Islamic scholar Majid Al-Khoi’i have both been executed by Iraqi residents of Najaf, according to five independent Iraqi witnesses to the incident who spoke to Arab News. The two potential Iraqi leaders of the city, who were supported by the US, “were chopped into pieces with swords and knives...”

Link: http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=25014

If you are against killing as an expression of international Policy then you are against freedom?

Which one is that? The freedom to die when some politician doesn’t like another Country’s hairstyles?

“You reject that the U.S. as a world superpower may have benign intentions based on ideals that we were founded on. (Freedom, democracy) And that these ideals can never be the impetus behind American policy, rather everything is done solely for profit, greed, dominance, and intimidation.”

Nobody says they can never be behind American Foreign Policy. It would be a refreshing change though.

It is interesting to note that the U.S. was floating Trial Balloons on the Afghanistan invasion 3 to 6 months BEFORE 911.

It is interesting to note that the installed President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, is the former Unocal Negotiator with the Taliban. Unocal got their Pipeline after the invasion. Prior to that the Taliban had awarded it to an Argentinean Company.

And of course it was sheer Coincidence that the first Military Objective Achieved was securing the Southern Oil Fields. Now under Marine Guard. But that was done for the Iraqi People right?

And the Kosovo War was not about the 1.5 TRILLION Dollar Trepka Mining Complex in Kosovo either. Previously the Contracts had gone to Greek Companies and now to NATO Countries. Funny how that worked out huh.

And because someone is opposed to misusing the Military Might of the United States to Line Bushes and his Cronies Pockets does not of one make a leftist.

The last refuge of the Scoundrel is to tout their own Patriotism and denigrate another,s.

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Stop the war machine

by wavemaster Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 2:01 AM

Neocons get this straight! The antiwar movement is opposed to the war machine which protects the top 10 percent of the corportate elite who control 90 percent of the worlds resources. This is not a conspieracy theory, this is fact. Let me put some names to these elites: Wallmart, this corporate giant is the biggest employer in America. It also is the biggest profitier of sweat shop labor and has been sued by it's own employees for not paying overtime owed to

them. It goes on an on, we are protesting against a government that openly contacts corporate lobbiests asking to trade legislative favors for campain contributions. Relaxing environmental protection laws or public saftey issues are just some of the deals being made daily by the so called patriotic legislators in Washington.

Our founding fathers are turning over in their grave as these money grubbing crooks who call themselves our elected officials make a mochary of our government. Does anybody remember Enron! This is not some bad apple, this is just a typical example of what I'm talking about. Enron CEO's bought all kinds of legislative favors which enabled them to rip off their employees and enrich themselves.

Just when America was starting to wake up to what our government was really about we had 9-11 and then instead of talking about the real bad guys like Ken Ley we were all talking about Osama. Just like Michael Moore said at the accademy awards don't belive their orange alterts. Wake up and take our government back from the war mongering neocons!

Long live Granny DEE!

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Freedomlover is a Constitution-Hater

by Stop the Slaughter Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 2:53 AM

Hey "freedomlover", Why are you ripping on The FIRST AMENDMENT of OUR AMERICAN CONSTITUTION?

If you weren't so FRIGHTENED of FREEDOM RALLYS, (what you call protests), you could educate yourself with the FACTS of who is corporately benefitting from this war. Or how America is continually BLATANTLY LIED TO by a media that continually contradicts itself, between one war-investing sponser to the next. I don't enjoy being f'd over by our government, but I see you do.

History isn't right or wrong. It just is.

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NO MORE WAR!

by daveman Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 7:47 AM

NO MORE WAR!...
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Close, but No Cigar

by Hey, daveman Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:05 AM

Close, but No Cigar...
war_has_never_solved.gif, image/png, 396x407

So I fixed your sign for your. :-)

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To Hey Daveman

by daveman Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:09 AM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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daveman

by thomas Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:28 AM

Why didnt the revolutionary war end slavery?

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Well, duh...

by daveman Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:35 AM

...the revolutionary war wasn't about slavery; it was about liberation.

Have you any shred of a valid argument here?

I see your lips moving, but all I hear is seagulls...

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daveman

by thomas Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:44 AM

Why werent the slaves liberated?

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t

by d Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:55 AM

It was about liberating the colonies from England, not about liberating slaves, that came later.

Please think before you type.

If you're a leftist, disregard the last statement. You will anyway.

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03.11.03

by rw Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:56 AM

Another day.

Another dollar.

Another time to kick some liberal ass.

Who wants to be first? Cause you won't be the last.

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??

by thomas Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:08 AM

but why so much later?

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tick-tock

by rw Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:13 AM

I own time.

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t

by d Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:26 AM

Slaves were viewed as property. What are you, 6 yrs old? Read some history books.

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property?

by thomas Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:43 AM

Thats weird.

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