Usual suspects are behind anti-war protests

Two rules of thumb for protest rallies: Always claim a crowd 200,000 or so larger than any reasonable estimate, and always insist that your demonstrators are all ordinary, stable middle-class folk.

Here in New York, the sponsors of the Feb. 15 anti-war rally claimed a crowd of 375,000 to 500,000. The Washington Post said "at least 100,000." The police commissioner thought it was around 100,000. By Manhattan standards, this is not a big number. When Paul Simon sang in Central Park, 750,000 to 800,000 people came.

Ken Layne, an Internet blogger, points out that 200,000 people turned out to watch the Daytona 500 on Feb. 16, so the anti-war rallies in Manhattan and San Francisco may have drawn about as many people as one auto race held in the rain in Florida.

Maybe a million Americans turned out nationally to protest the war, Layne wrote, compared to 6 million who showed up over the weekend to watch Ben Affleck in "Daredevil," and 50 million who went to church on Sunday.

Whatever the numbers, the demonstrations were depicted in the media as so significant (taken with the larger and heavily anti-American rallies in Europe) that President Bush had better pay attention and change course.

One newspaper headline said "Anti-War Protesters Fail to Sway Bush on Plans for Iraq." Gosh, how stubborn can he be? Offhand comments by anchormen and letters to the editor expressed surprise that Bush failed to alter course when he learned that maybe one-half of 1 percent of Americans had taken to the streets for a couple of hours.

The media also fulfilled the deepest hopes of organizers by depicting the protest as a festival of soccer moms. Success depended on this because of the presence of Stalinists, Leninists and Maoists among the key organizers of the "peace" movement.

The sponsor of the New York rally was the umbrella group United for Peace and Justice, which can be described as the crazy far-left on its best behavior. The co-chair is Leslie Cagan, an oldtime radical organizer and a member of the Committee on Correspondence, which came out of a split inside the American Communist Party in 1991.

UPJ comes on as moderate enough to attract the churches and groups like Greenpeace. Its real function may be to deflect attention from the real power in the anti-war movement, ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), which doesn't bother to look moderate. ANSWER is a front group for the hard-left International Action Center (IAC), which is a front group for the Workers World Party, an old-line Stalinist group with legendary organizing skills. The WWP supported the Soviet invasion of Hungary, backed China's massacre in Tiananmen Square and fiercely supports Kim Jong Il's fanatic regime in North Korea. Few people in the "peace" movement seem bothered by having to listen to Leninist orators or walking along in marches with fans of North Korea.

The most hotly debated issue on the far-far-left is whether inspections in Iraq should go on forever, or whether inspections are illegitimate acts of war that must stop immediately. The latter notion is favored by ANSWER and Ramsey Clark, the addled former attorney general, now a figurehead for the IAC. He defends Slobodan Milosovic, says the United States has already launched genocide in Iraq and argues that Jesus Christ was a terrorist.

The stench arising from the organizers attracts zero interest in the mainstream press. Writing in National Review, Byron Scott called it "the story no one wants to hear about the anti-war movement." If anti-war demonstrations were being organized by a tobacco company or the Augusta National Golf Club, the liberal establishment would erupt in screams of protest. No screaming now, though. These sponsors are just off-the-wall loonies and Stalinist front groups.

Coverage of Feb. 15 gave us conventional soccer-mom reporting, focused on ordinary Americans, preferably Republicans, veterans and people who had never marched before. Wholesomeness was everywhere.

The news media and the organizers' Web sites featured photos of children and earnest "give peace a chance" demonstrators. But if you poke around the Internet, you can turn up different pictures and messages at the New York rally: the ritual scorn for "Amerika," "Queer Resistance for Palestine," hammer-and-sickle flags, pictures of Che Guevara and the predictable images of President Bush as Hitler. The banners of ANSWER, some huge, seemed to be everywhere. Apparently the far-left presence was bigger and uglier in San Francisco and Europe.

Many anti-war people understand the problem of relying so heavily on the Stalinists. They say little, but they wonder whether the soccer moms will crowd out the Stalinists, or whether the dangerous hard left is in the process of taking over the "peace" movement entirely. Good question.

One more white, middle class, protester who is happy to send my charity dollars to ANSWER.

Another hater who tries to weakly quantify the anti-war movement and undermine its

credibility, but yet doesn't see the irony in defending a president who is a former

coke addict and has family ties to the Third Reich, with a foreign policy that validates

killing civilian populations and violating the geneva accords.

Get a clue ya mo' mos.

Another hater who tries to weakly quantify the anti-war movement and undermine its

credibility, but yet doesn't see the irony in defending a president who is a former

coke addict and has family ties to the Third Reich, with a foreign policy that validates

killing civilian populations and violating the geneva accords.

Get a clue ya mo' mos.

Ruth, you wouldn't be the same white middle class person rhapsodizing about the death of the human race would you?

Yep. You're just a typical American hausfrau.

heir dumkoft natzi

That's all Bush Ass-Mirer can do now,just keep calling everyone who is not for the slaughter of innocents "loonies" and "crazies". The same sort of "rhetoric" Billy OH'Really uses on his "No Thought Zone" show. Consevatives are the most frightened bunch of people on the planet. They are so scared of a country where most people eat with their fingers and wipe their ass with sand it makes me laugh. George"Hey is 60 Minutes On Or Is That The Tapping Of A Razor Blade On A Mirror Sniff Sniff"Bush's new campaign slogan should be "Leave No Country Unbombed".

Please find another phrase to replace "rule of thumb."

Rule of thumb comes from a philosophy embedded in american

society that allowed for a husband to beat his wife with a

stick narrower than his thumb.

If it was thicker than his thumb he was being abusive and

guilty of poor "husbandry."

If not, he was fine.

This rule began disappearing from townships in the USA in

the early 1900s. Most southern new england towns got rid

of those rules in the 1970s. I'm afraid some towns in this

country have yet to get rid of them.

Yuck!!!

marco

Prescott Bush, Duhbya's Granpappy', was Cited 3 Times for "Trading With the Enemy" (NAZI Germany) during the height of W.W. II.

This is a matter of public record and is not an allegation it is a stone cold FACT.

Please, for the sake of your own credibility DIo, will you please refrain from any mention of some nefarious connection between Bush's grandfather's actions and the current situation. It's simply embarrassing to read that over and over again as if it means anything. I know you are utterly leftist but you are intelligent and should know better.

I mention over and over again because it establishes how the Bush Family Fortune was built. On lies and deceit. That, and it discomfit's Duhbya's supporters because there really is no legitimate refutation.

I could mention other crimes of the Bush Crime Family but the problem is that because a lot of them are complex White Collar Swindles it takes a lot of time and background. Which quite frankly I don't often care to take the time to explain. The data is all available at different Web Sites and is well documented. You just have to be willing to take off the blinders, roll up your sleeves, and slog through it. (I know it's easier for me than most because I have background in Finance but it is not the impossible dream to unravel the web.)

Who said anything about demonizing the rich? That is a Red Herring and a stupid "straw man".

We are talking about how THE BUSHES made their money.

I have no problem with someone making an HONEST fortune.

Joe Kennedy was active with the Mafia based on ties he developed during prohibition. Those facts are much better documented. Why don't you demonize Jack Kennedy and protest Ted Kennedy's presence in the Senate?

Is demonizing someone's grandfather your best shot?

Joe Kennedy was a scumbag. So, what of it? Does that mean that the Bushes are clean because you can point to somebody on "the alleged other side" who was Mobbed up? Hardly.

The American political system controlled by the Republicrat Monopoly corrupt from stem to stern. When someone shows up who is threatening to actually do a little clean up work they have an "airplane accident". If someone, Ron Brown for instance, threatens to blow the whistle to protect their corrupt ass they have an "airplane accident".

If an honest Reporter gets too close, Danny Casolaro, they committ suicide.

Gee, looks like a pattern is forming.

>I mention over and over again because it establishes how the Bush Family Fortune was built. On lies and deceit. That, and it discomfit's Duhbya's supporters because there really is no legitimate refutation.

Sure there is. First of all, I've studied this so-called ties of the Bush family to the Nazis and I personally found no reliable evidence. Second of all, if you don't like that I viewed the evidence presented as being weak and full of holes, I don't give a shit.

Sure you do.

Why else are you here?

The Bush Admirer punching dolly is back.

Go ahead; smack it, kick it, humiliate it!

Work up a sweat knowing it wont remember

a thing when you're finished. Each new day

brings another chance to rid yourself of that

frustration that comes with, say; some bozo

who cut you off in traffic or the neighbor who

plays loud music until 3 am or even when you see

another moron posting pro war fantasies about a

third world country posing a threat to the U.S.

That's really not the point, Sheepdog. The President said it very well at the AEI dinner the other night. It isn't just the fact that Iraq poses a threat to us. He poses a continuing threat to his own people and his neighbors.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030226-11.html

That's really not the point, Sheepdog. The President said it very well at the AEI dinner the other night. It isn't just the fact that Iraq poses a threat to us. He poses a continuing threat to his own people and his neighbors.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030226-11.html

The first symptom of defeat is denial. Then comes the attempt to spin the story so that 'it's not your fault.'

It's obvious that you and most of the others on your team, with the exception of Diogenes, are running out of ammunition. Your responses are cutesy and pithy, but they're very short and without any real content.

Meanwhile, your competitors are armed to the teeth and they seem to be rolling over you and yours. Fresca, Simple Simon, Bush Admirer, and several others are out of your league Sheepdog. You're badly overmatched.

And that's where we came in.

The first symptom of defeat is denial. Then comes the attempt to spin the story so that 'it's not your fault.'

Your next protest sign should read, "Whipped Sheepdog."

And how could I forget the Simple parrot?

Whipped? Hardly. Unlike some individuals

I do have a life and sometimes you bore me

with your ignorant rant. Bored Sheepdog

busy Sheepdog. Sheepdog has other priorities

than pissing on you all the time.

I'm so popular.

I agree with you, now wrap your livery lips around a rusted exhaust pipe and step on the gas. God loves weaklings like you, you vile homophobe.

Fuck You you dickhead dildo bastard! Fascists like you will be the first to go in any regeem change.

Facists? How can I be a facist in America when I am black? Clean your goggles, it is you that is the bigot all along. Now please get cancer.

And how much practice have you had doing that?

Do you have to use a long stick?

No wait, you said 'step on the gas', so that's out.

Grab a whole hand of hair and run like a fascist!! Fuck You!

Sheepdog, when confronted on his racism, changes the subject...

And he thinks one of him is me.

poor little weasel.

If you ever have an intelligent thought be kind to it. It's a long way from home.

Thank you for making my case for me. The Prosecution Rests.

Just ignore the prick and realize that any

glaringly weurd&strangth behavior is

our new little weasel.

And also remember that his a black, and therefore shifty and lazy.

feel so sorry for you idiots. so sad

where were all you whiny ass, 'make the world a nicer place for all mankind and future generations' bullshitters when Saddam poisoned his own people, and raped and murdered Kuwait citizens? Did you hold a protest? Stage a parade?

In response to the post above.

Why should we object to him invading kuwait, hell we set this asshole up with 'Killing For Dummies'...

"Apply Weapon (A) to Location (B) at Time (C), and the iranian human wave attacks will not be effective"

We gave him the info, the weapons, and the approval to do whatever the hell he wanted to do against iran, and then act surprised and morally outraged that he'd make a move against Kuwait. Our hypocritical government is only concerned about tyranny when it doesn't profit from it directly.

And for that matter, fuck kuwait. I could give a rats ass about kuwait. Save america. Damn. Your tax dollars are paying to breed resentment in the hearts and minds of the people of the middle east with these cowboy antics which will lead to nothing but the wholesale slaughter of their people, and this is somehow supposed to benefit them. And you're acting like its our duty as americans to cram our freedom down the throats of everyone in the world. Open up and say Ahh world. And i bet you'll cry about it when they resent us for it. And i bet you won't even notice when we're done raping their land and resources, and we've packed up and gone home, and the fires have gone out, and the poor people of iraq are STILL suffering the exact same injustices they do today, at the hands of some new puppet dictator. We can't help anyone but ourselves. To think that we can is ignorant bullshit. When was the last time you stepped outside and tried to help someone at random, for no reason? It just doesn't work. People don't trust help they didn't ask for and aren't paying for, they won't accept it unless you force them and even then they will resent you for it. And it works the exact same way globally. There is no such thing as a free lunch, ever, and everyone knows it. Bush is suggesting we hand out a big ol free lunch of free freedom to the people of iraq and the world doesn't believe him, for good reason. So, realizing that what he's suggesting is obviously a little too good to be on-the-level, the resident says 'oh, actually, we're not doing it for them, we're doing it for us. And we don't need anyones permission. Fuck you all, open wide. Terror. WMD. Peace. Terror.'

Get it through your thick fascist ignorant heads, we don't have all the answers, we just have a lot of money and big guns. Those two things will only carry you so far in life, as we are learning now. And in the hands of an idiot, neither will get you far at all. The best thing we could possibly do right now is get the hell out of all these third world shitholes we keep preoccupying ourselves with and focus on our problems at home.

Who's going to save US? The Iraqis? Kuwait? Please...

Oh and to the people that run this board, have you considered establishing user accounts with logins and such to help weed out these weasels? I can help, I'm skilled in PHP/MySQL development.

Againts policy to keep IP logs for security reasons.

Using url passed session id's. It's more secure to use both session id's with a redundant ip check but similar redundancy could be simulated using cookies and/or browser 'signatures' (combinations of things like user agent, screen resolution/color depth, etc etc... in other words, not admissable as evidence).

Also, just so everyone doesn't have too much faith in the anonymity of this or any other site, just because it itself doesn't log document requests and user ips does not mean any of the numerous servers between it and you aren't. And the spooks always have access to the core 'backbone' servers, so if they want, they can keep tabs on a sites activity regardless of how logged it is by the server its hosted on. Moral of the story: watch what you say, Uncle Ashcroft could be protecting you from yourself even as we speak.

I hate negros.

And yes I know about the big eye. No illusions.

That's why I am armed.

I prerfer large bore for close in and

High volocity for reaching out and lunching something.

I have a camera in my door on at all times, uploading image sequences any time there's motion to an offsite server any time i'm not around.. I have a paranoid, loud little dog... a half decent handgun that i wouldn't hesitate to use the moment i feel my liberties are being stomped on. I should probably expand my arsenal but i feel my mind will do me about as much good as a cannon in the current environment. And i'm not eager to kill anyone. Even Asscroft and his goons.

Who knows though, things change all the time...

might want to consider just dumping your name and using something else.... these people posting as you would then have less to fixate on

I hane MANY nicks already ha ha.

Look brother, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and just hang yourself. Or take your medication, you freak.

Way out of line.... We welcome all view points here. I may not agree with spoiled little trust fund babies like the of so evil in name, Black Bloc, or the racist sheepdog, but let them have their say.