As I type this right now one of our fellow protesters is locked in the Hollywood precinct Jail. He was singled out, tackeled, beaten, and arrested by at least 10 officers on felony charges of "Inciting a roit." He was simply exercising his freedom of speech in a peaceful manner when he was attacked. There were multiple video cameras in the area, (including channel 7 "eyewitness" news) when this took place on Sunset & Chauenga in front of Ameoba records.

If anyone witnessed this act of police brutality, please leave a number or e-mail address where you can be contacted. Any help will be greatly appreciated,
Solidarity.

hey/ i was with the breakaway march today. i dont have any video or photos and what not but just wanted to say that i hope our comrade is doing good. the news just said that it all started by the breakaway " throwing rocks" at the police? i didnt see any of that at all, but i hope he will be doing better. keep us posted on the news of situation he is in.

"when we cant dream any longer we die"

Lawyers Guild 323-653-4510 Jim Lafertry. Contact me if you need help organizing support. Solidary is essential. We had a legal support sign up sheet at the planning meetings. Almost nobody came, it might have helped even if it was 'public'. - Gary rumor

I was grabbed and attacked out of the blue today and thrown into prison. My body is aching and its difficult for me to move my hands to type this. What i saw today on the conduct of the police was terrible. Many people were beaten indiscriminately and i was ransacked. currently i need legal help. i need some experienced lawyers who know what to do with these kinds of situations. i sat in prison with another brother who was helping someone out of the street when he was beaten and thrown to the ground. we are both out but there were reports of "50-80 people" detained (cops estimate). Personally, i never saw anyone else than the brother i met in holding. I have to tell you all how terrifying this has been and that i want to extend my heart to ANYONE who has had their families torn apart because of prison. we're alright right now, tho both of us are brusied and scratched up. but something should be organized for support. i certainly need some help. more news as it becomes available.. and i hope everything is OK.

To the people that looked into my eyes while i was getting mauled by the police: thank you. It meant everything.

Dear fellow anti-war protesters,
this is saddam hussein, and i would like to thank you for supporting me against your own countries and for helping me to stay in power. Now i can use your protests as a way to divide the world and hopefully develop even more weapons before anyone can do anything about it. I praise your support, now i will proceed to kill my civilians, degrade and rape women, kill any politcal opponents, control all my slaves, oops, i mean my fellow iraqi citizens, form more terrorist ties with al quada, give support to north korea and drop nuclear/biological/chemical weapons on you democratic, capitalist, freedom loving pigs, thanks once again LIBERALS!

to the people who got arrested today, i don't know you, but i'm on your side.

for those who think that the people in the breakaway march only give the protest a bad name, i say, you don't really understand. because how can the police justify running down people, people only walking down a street, a street that is already closed off, has been closed off, no verbal warning, only threatening revving engines of motorcycles, lined up side by side, charging at innocent people. so, maybe they needed to clear that street, but tell me then, why were they on the sidewalk too? forcing people to jump over a 4 ft brick wall to get out of their charging way. still, no verbal warning. only snarling police officers, batons and fists ready to go. a police officer ran into my friend with his motorcycle. understand, we weren't even meant to be part of the break away march, we were only walking back to our cars. but after that, it can't help but be a personal issue, a matter of personal rights. so you can't blame anyone but the police, because even if it was a breakaway march, it was still peacefull, at least on our side. (and when i say "our," i mean everyone who showed up to march for peace today.)

i was then detained for no reason blocks later. and i saw those many officers jump on one person. so many police officers on him that i could no longer see his body, only all the blue uniforms, grabbing at different parts of his body, twisting him into compliance, and for what? because they had a description on him, just like they had a description of me? the officer detaining me said they had a description of someone dressed in my same clothes, black pants in a grey sweatshirt. i said, but this is a green sweatshirt. so he said, "i meant green sweatshirt." then i said, "do you know how many people have these sweatshirts?!" and he got a little upset and asked if he could finish. apparently, even if he did give the wrong description of me to me, i was wanted for vandalism, along with the other kid they attacked in front of amoeba, based on a description that he got wrong.

i've been up for nearly 24 hours, so i'm a little tired now, and whether you agree or disagree, i'd be happy to continue this dialogue later, because how far can we go if we don't even understand each other?

if i ever see you get mauled by cops for no reason, i'll yell at the top of my lungs for you too.

peace.

Police are just normal people hired to do a job.

Surprise that they don't like smart ass young punks who are into their 'street rabble' mode of misbehavior.

Three cheers for the police.

Next time protesters protest during one of their marches, they should be able to do whatever they want, including verbally, physically abuse cops, bystanders, etc. Vandalism should be allowed as well. How dare the police actually do their job to protect the people as well as the protesters. This is an outrage.

normal people don't run over other people walking down the street with their cars or motorcycles.

might i add, the majority of the people had their backs turned to the police officers as they were peacefully walking away.

cheer on and you'll be next. they won't brake for you either.

if they are doing their job and they had descriptions of people why didn't they arrest those people immediately since there was enough of a police force there to do so? why wait? why did they run into my friend, who again, was not doing anything, as far as i could see, not one person on that street was doing anything wrong, if they had a row of cops on motorcycles, plus a row of cops on foot with batons, plus more cops being brought in in riot gear with tear gas, families walking to their cars with children, i am asking you to tell me who were they protecting? i feel more threatened by the police running people over with motorcycles than someone with a can of spray paint. think about it.

I wasnt there, for all I know you could have been launching rocket propelled grenades at them. But maybe youre right, if police were indiscriminatly attacking peaceful protesters, maybe you should get your infamous aclu to sue the police department.

The contact # for the lawyers guild is 323-653-4510

Hi, I'm an ex-Hollywood kid, now in greater Santa Fe area. Stay on this, ....this is exactly how the corporate rule succeeds, (when it can't mass mesmerize by TV)--by singling out one of us, putting him through all kinds of b.s., which then makes the rest of us worry it might happen to us if we exercise our freedom of speech.

If your friend/person whose plight you observed was truly acting in accordance with demonstration guidelines, then please, we're all with you -- keep that energy up to get your video backup evidence, get on local radio, etc.

Will be saying a praying for you, -- and for the hapless fellow the LAPD singled out.

Dear So-Damm

You have a right in Free Amerika to say what you like, dishing Peace Marchers who are trying to prevent a totally nuked world (that means everyone one of us, even all of you war mongers).

So do I and others who think like me. Your comments to the Peace Marchers unveil the thinking of a limited mind, robotized by propaganda.

No, terrorists, Saddam Hussein, and their ilk do definitely need to be contained, but, not this way, war on Iraq. There's more going on with starting a war there than you know, like greed for oil, and big military egos that need shrinking and alterating.

Come on, 11 million people are trying to say something! Turn off you Amerikan tv and wake up!

Dear Bush Admirer

aren't you in the wrong pen? we already know exactly how your kind thinks, FASCIST, that's how.

Bush was never elected, what we now have is a dictatorship, and yes, it's empowered at the street level by brutal police who forgot to take that Heart Math Workshop.

Sorry you don't like to see people who think differently from you taking to the streets. Remember, it's supposed to be a free country (at least it was before). The whole point of why they are having to take to the streets with their concerns is because they are not being heard by their government and their lawmakers.

If you support the brutality of police attack, what is that saying about you as a person?

We need to march against the Patriot act as well, and we need to march more often!

Solidarity, Justice, Equality!!! I was the other person charged for supposedly "inciting a riot" on the 15th of Feb. in Los Angeles at the antiwar protest. During the breakaway protest I was taking pictures and informing the police officers that I was a peaceful observer and no one wanted to get hurt. After a few minutes of saber rattling by the police (swinging batons and taunting the civilians), the police brought in a squad of biker cops to cut off the retreating protesters from the rest of the people. Never hearing from the police or even being told by another protester that we were asked, told, or required to disperse the police started to circle. Trying to calm things down before I knew it others and I were surrounded by police and being pushed not only by their nightsticks but also by the motorcycles. There was another peaceful protester that didn't know what was going on and was almost run over by three motorcycles, thankfully I was able to pull her away and try to stop other mounted police from running both of us over. Running to the sidewalk we were forced to the ground, I was bludgeoned and I believed I was hit or kicked while being yelled at and hand cuffed, seconds later we were sitting in a cop car. For the next two hours I was not told what I was being charged with and wasn’t read my rights. What happened that day was a crime. Not because we protested, not because we disagree but because our fellow man is unable to see past their guns, “their” oil, their money; though we know that it is not they but all as well, everything is shared from war to prosperity. It is our duty to advocate peace and warn of the dangers of violence if peace is not kept. Like a rope finely woven is strong through the unity of its strands, we are strong together. But when cut by a menacing sword that is against the support the rope gives, the bearer will fall and may be caught, hung, and bound by that very rope.
My court date is on March 12 at the Hollywood courthouse at 8:30 am. If anyone can show up in support it would be hugely appreciated. Also if you were there and can advocate for myself and the few others that were arrested please by all means come.
Much Peace, Love, and Blessings.
Stay strong and never give up.

Isn't it funny how right-wingers like "Bush Admirer" don't believe in the First Amendment if the views being expressed disagree with theirs?

With each post, he paints himself as more of a fascist.

And you think you can separate "supporting the war" from "slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people."

Dumb is as dumb does.

A barrage of 800 Cruise missles into a heavily populated area is a way of "minimizing" civilian casualties?

Using Tactical Nukes is a way of "minimizing" civilian casualties?

Oh BA, you kidder you.

The right has a short memory.

Hey, Bush Admirer, remember who put Saddam in power? The right. Remember who sold him weapons and instruments of torture? Your beloved right-wing governments.

None of you cared when Amnesty International and other human rights groups told you what Saddam did to his own people. He was your pal! You put him power, kept him in power, armed him -- and now you want to kill hundreds of thousands of people to get rid of him.

Minimizing civilian casualties? That's a laugh. The US doesn't care about civilian casualties. Iraqis are still dying from the depleted uranium bombs we dropped on them ten years ago. Rumsfield is talking about using nuclear weapons on them.

You want Saddam dead, you should have supported the Iraqi uprising at the end of the last Gulf War - instead, you abandoned them.

The right has a short memory.

Hey, Bush Admirer, remember who put Saddam in power? The right. Remember who sold him weapons and instruments of torture? Your beloved right-wing governments.

None of you cared when Amnesty International and other human rights groups told you what Saddam did to his own people. He was your pal! You put him power, kept him in power, armed him -- and now you want to kill hundreds of thousands of people to get rid of him.

Minimizing civilian casualties? That's a laugh. The US doesn't care about civilian casualties. Iraqis are still dying from the depleted uranium bombs we dropped on them ten years ago. Rumsfield is talking about using nuclear weapons on them.

You want Saddam dead, you should have supported the Iraqi uprising at the end of the last Gulf War - instead, you abandoned them.

"normal people don't run over other people walking down the street with their cars or motorcycles. "

Regardless of what you've heard or are desparate to believe, NO ONE was run over by any police vehicle. It simply didn't happen. You're an ass if you actually believe this happened and there's no mention of it anywhere but here. get your head out of your ass.

"Using Tactical Nukes is a way of "minimizing" civilian casualties? "

Where the hell did you come up with this? As a "cynic" I'd think you'd be a bit more discerning than to accept blindly the hysterical rantings of your tribe and the ridiculous estimates of the UN. But, i guess that's what being on the left (regardless of your obviously phony claims of libertarianism) is all about. Rave on!

the right as well as the left gave hussein weapons because iran was our #1 enemy at the time, he wasnt our pal, cept maybe yours because you suck his cock often, but nevertheless, its good to have two of your enemies to battle it out to the death, why waste american lives when theyll kill each other? Good question, huh, dumbfuck? As much as you try and portray america as some sick corrupted country, its way better than any country you support, namely iraq, iran, north korea, terrorists, you think that 9-11 was some conspiracy too, well, good for you fucking raghead. Why do iraqi refugees all agree with the war? Because they know the extent of saddams evil, gay ass motherfucker

hey, saddam, i guess the USA would be helping you out in your quest to kill innocent iraqies by BOMBING THEM....yeah, fuck you asshole.

You should have seen the things that Saddam did to his own people with the purpose of suppression. The birth defect he caused the corruption of an entire genepool from his chemical weapons and the blame he has placed on the USA and the UN for it is despicable and Yes, it is Evil! Don't try to deny it. You have witnessed im sure in the video you speak of, many of the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime. You then turn it around and make statements, without getting all the facts, and place the blame on your own people. Perhaps some of the problems arise through exposure to spent munitions, but if that's the case, and if Saddam Hussein does nothing about for which he very well could, such as gathering up the spent ammo, then the problems are due to his lack of willingness to help his own people. He could make Iraq a safe place for his people if he cared to. The fact of the matter is, he doesn't.
As far as his people dying because of a lack of medicine, yes there are deaths because of a lack of medicine but there is a perfectly valid logical reason for it. Saddam has the history of pursuing against UN sanctions, large scale and elaborate wmd programs, developing with the pharmaceutical establishments he has at his disposal, bio and chemical weapons. He has done this in defiance to the regulations he agreed to. He is a criminal, He is a murder, He is a liar.
He has denied his programs and only admits to them when he is caught in his lie, and then he make excuses of ignorance and "Oh,,, We forgot about that one."
Honestly, if he were able to be trusted the UN would gladly give the necessary aid to help in the need for medical treatment and medicines.
We despair for what we see when we look at his suffering people. That is just one more reason to remove his regime from government. We don't need to go to war to do this. Hussein could do this himself. In fact he could stay in power were he to have an ounce of integrity and submit to the will of the UN.
But he most likely will not. He is far too prideful to do this. In such a case we would have no moral choice other than to forcibly remove him. We could then go in and render aid, give the much needed medicines and medical aid, clean up and dispose of military garbage, cleanse Iraq of the spent munitions from the gulf war and help these people to build a country, governed by them, not by us, and give them the chance to live a life free of a tyrant. Allow them to have what some of us take for granted, a democracy.
If you believe that the Iraqi people don't want Saddam removed from his dictatorial position you are sorely mistaken. Good will organizations have for years spent a great deal of time and effort in Iraq offering relief and as much aid as possible to a people who literally beg them to ask our country to remove Saddam Hussein. These people wish very much to be liberated from what they more than us, view as an evil man who brutalizes their women and children and imposes his dictatorial will over them in such an oppressive manner as to be distasteful to describe. Denis Halliday of whom you have mentioned was one of these relief aides.
No American gains benefit from young Saffa's suffering or from the suffering of those like her.
We are not after Iraqi oil despite what you may hear.
I ask you to examine further your research and look for evidence in more objective sources. Weigh the evidence with a neutral, unbaised mind and then make a decision about what you discover. You are correct when you say ignorance is no excuse and false blame based on ignorance is detestable.
Every country in Europe and America has oil interests in Iraq and it is something they work together on. Iraq controls Iraqi oil, they always will. We and Europe have interests which preserve the Iraqi Sovereignty over it's own resources. Those rescources include their oil, and the sovereignty is also over it's own people. We do not wish to take their lives and oil, we wish to give them their lives to live and a democracy to live it as free people, and in control of all of their resources, including their oil.
The people of Iraq will always suffer under a regime of dictators unless they are liberated and the regime of Saddam Hussein is one that threatens not only it's own people but the world as well. Saddam Hussein has proclaimed the US as it's foremost enemy and will remain a serious threat as long as we allow him the opportunity.
Iraq is populated with good and suffering people, an entire population of decent men women and children, who have the same needs , desires, hopes, fears, and dreams as American people. But they have no chance at any of it because they are governed by a demonic man and a few demonic Saddam Hussein clones.
If progressives are ever successful in creating a decent, and just and peaceful world, then this war criminal, including those who would support him, need to be brought before a war crimes tribunal like the one at Nuremberg.
Justice may never come at all for Saffa or any other Iraqi innocent, man, woman, and child, if Saddam Hussein gets his way. I too wish I had a magic wand I could wave and stop this damn war from happening. The difference is my wand would be waved at Saddam and his oppressive and brutal regime, not at my own president.

I might add that I would rather not live at all then to have to live under the conditions the Iraqi people are forced to endure because of a government they have no control over. Many thousands of Iraqi Civilians share my sentiment. They welcome us, they don't fear us. And we will do all in our power to ensure their safety and happiness. And if called to the fight for peace I will go with honor and with purpose. I would hope you would do the same.

Okay B. admirer, I don't mean to claim any kind of omnipitent powers here, but I feel pretty strongly on my feeling that not one peace supporter at the march today is a so called Saddam supporter. In fact, I don't think your illustrated your claim about being unable to separate those who oppose the war and Saddam supporters very well.

However, I will say I believe your claim does support the idea that you are misinformed and could use a little edumacation (a Bush favorite just to keep your attention). Being ignorant is something you can fix, but I digress.

And to the potty mouth, I don't think resorting to name calling is something any of us will benefit from. In fact the more name-calling the less any credibility any arguement has. So no matter which end you lean toward, won't you try to come to the table with persuasive thoughts that actually deserve consideration and or response.

Also, thanks Kassia for taking the time to share your useful and thought provoking insight.

As beings capable of so much beauty, we must come together so we can claim our next step in evolution where it will always be better to choose brain over brawn. Peace and love to you all in the hope for peace and love for all.

PS...since when did sucking cock become a bad thing???

Okay B. admirer, I don't mean to claim any kind of omnipitent powers here, but I feel pretty strongly on my feeling that not one peace supporter at the march today is a so called Saddam supporter. In fact, I don't think your illustrated your claim about being unable to separate those who oppose the war and Saddam supporters very well.

However, I will say I believe your claim does support the idea that you are misinformed and could use a little edumacation (a Bush favorite just to keep your attention). Being ignorant is something you can fix, but I digress.

And to the potty mouth, I don't think resorting to name calling is something any of us will benefit from. In fact the more name-calling the less any credibility any arguement has. So no matter which end you lean toward, won't you try to come to the table with persuasive thoughts that actually deserve consideration and or response.

Also, thanks Kassia for taking the time to share your useful and thought provoking insight.

As beings capable of so much beauty, we must come together so we can claim our next step in evolution where it will always be better to choose brain over brawn. Peace and love to you all in the hope for peace and love for all.

PS...since when did sucking cock become a bad thing???

You should have seen the things that Saddam did to his own people with the purpose of suppression. The birth defect he caused the corruption of an entire genepool from his chemical weapons and the blame he has placed on the USA and the UN for it is despicable and Yes, it is Evil! Don't try to deny it. You have witnessed im sure in the video you speak of, many of the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime. You then turn it around and make statements, without getting all the facts, and place the blame on your own people. Perhaps some of the problems arise through exposure to spent munitions, but if that's the case, and if Saddam Hussein does nothing about for which he very well could, such as gathering up the spent ammo, then the problems are due to his lack of willingness to help his own people. He could make Iraq a safe place for his people if he cared to. The fact of the matter is, he doesn't.
As far as his people dying because of a lack of medicine, yes there are deaths because of a lack of medicine but there is a perfectly valid logical reason for it. Saddam has the history of pursuing against UN sanctions, large scale and elaborate wmd programs, developing with the pharmaceutical establishments he has at his disposal, bio and chemical weapons. He has done this in defiance to the regulations he agreed to. He is a criminal, He is a murder, He is a liar.
He has denied his programs and only admits to them when he is caught in his lie, and then he make excuses of ignorance and "Oh,,, We forgot about that one."
Honestly, if he were able to be trusted the UN would gladly give the necessary aid to help in the need for medical treatment and medicines.
We despair for what we see when we look at his suffering people. That is just one more reason to remove his regime from government. We don't need to go to war to do this. Hussein could do this himself. In fact he could stay in power were he to have an ounce of integrity and submit to the will of the UN.
But he most likely will not. He is far too prideful to do this. In such a case we would have no moral choice other than to forcibly remove him. We could then go in and render aid, give the much needed medicines and medical aid, clean up and dispose of military garbage, cleanse Iraq of the spent munitions from the gulf war and help these people to build a country, governed by them, not by us, and give them the chance to live a life free of a tyrant. Allow them to have what some of us take for granted, a democracy.
If you believe that the Iraqi people don't want Saddam removed from his dictatorial position you are sorely mistaken. Good will organizations have for years spent a great deal of time and effort in Iraq offering relief and as much aid as possible to a people who literally beg them to ask our country to remove Saddam Hussein. These people wish very much to be liberated from what they more than us, view as an evil man who brutalizes their women and children and imposes his dictatorial will over them in such an oppressive manner as to be distasteful to describe. Denis Halliday of whom you have mentioned was one of these relief aides.
No American gains benefit from young Saffa's suffering or from the suffering of those like her.
We are not after Iraqi oil despite what you may hear.
I ask you to examine further your research and look for evidence in more objective sources. Weigh the evidence with a neutral, unbaised mind and then make a decision about what you discover. You are correct when you say ignorance is no excuse and false blame based on ignorance is detestable.
Every country in Europe and America has oil interests in Iraq and it is something they work together on. Iraq controls Iraqi oil, they always will. We and Europe have interests which preserve the Iraqi Sovereignty over it's own resources. Those rescources include their oil, and the sovereignty is also over it's own people. We do not wish to take their lives and oil, we wish to give them their lives to live and a democracy to live it as free people, and in control of all of their resources, including their oil.
The people of Iraq will always suffer under a regime of dictators unless they are liberated and the regime of Saddam Hussein is one that threatens not only it's own people but the world as well. Saddam Hussein has proclaimed the US as it's foremost enemy and will remain a serious threat as long as we allow him the opportunity.
Iraq is populated with good and suffering people, an entire population of decent men women and children, who have the same needs , desires, hopes, fears, and dreams as American people. But they have no chance at any of it because they are governed by a demonic man and a few demonic Saddam Hussein clones.
If progressives are ever successful in creating a decent, and just and peaceful world, then this war criminal, including those who would support him, need to be brought before a war crimes tribunal like the one at Nuremberg.
Justice may never come at all for Saffa or any other Iraqi innocent, man, woman, and child, if Saddam Hussein gets his way. I too wish I had a magic wand I could wave and stop this damn war from happening. The difference is my wand would be waved at Saddam and his oppressive and brutal regime, not at my own president.

I might add that I would rather not live at all then to have to live under the conditions the Iraqi people are forced to endure because of a government they have no control over. Many thousands of Iraqi Civilians share my sentiment. They welcome us, they don't fear us. And we will do all in our power to ensure their safety and happiness. And if called to the fight for peace I will go with honor and with purpose. I would hope you would do the same.

b lover is a moron. He has never been to Irak or anywhere in the middle east. He has been brainwashed by CNN and FOX propaganda channels. he thinks he knows what he is talking about, but really has no clue. I am a gulf war veteran and a veteran of panama invasion in 89. I witnessed the horrors of combat as an infantry soldier. I watched our country pump up the masses to guide a corporate war and blame it on repression. The fact of the matter is that innocent civillians are the ones who feel the impact of war, not the governmental leaders. We are so quick to judge an issue we have no idea what we are talking about. This idiot has never watched an innocent family die at the mistaken gunfire of a adolescent soldier. He has never seen the children wander without parents, never had to take anothers life and live with the reprecussions. This guy is so persuaded to wage war in a foriegn land, yet would do nothing if an armed assailant was robbing a store in front of him. WE ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE AND TO KILL. As we once proclaimed the american indian culture as "barbaric", we also do so to arab nations. We proclaimed Vietnam as the bastion of communism and waged war there, only to later recant and say, hey maybe we were wrong. Personally, i could care less what happens to the iraqi people , because i am an american. We need to clean our own shop first, before we secure the rights of another....
sincerly,
a hired hitman/murderer....187 soldier chanting "trained to kill" so "pray for war"

"The birth defect he caused the corruption of an entire genepool from his chemical weapons "

That's... O.K.
Because our sanctions killed all those kids already.

Gov'ment never gives a crap about humanitarian issues unless it's to justify "liberating" people.

BushBlower:"When men do it to each other it becomes pretty disgusting."

...but I thought you just LOVED SHRUB DICK....or is that just until you control your gag reflex?

I was there for the ridiculous actions that took place during the breakaway march. My friends and I were on sunset near the protest when we saw that there were cops running back and forth. I looked back and saw that one of the crowds had erupted into a big fight. Then a line of motorcycle cops came up the streets to clear us out of the way. Three of us held hands in the street, but decided to run to the sidewalk when we noticed that they were not stopping for anyone. One of the motorcycle police ran his bike into me, as I screamed that "I was doing nothing wrong and he can't hit me when I'm trying to get out of the way". I looked to another cop who was shoving everyone with his stick, and I said "This isn't right. We haven't done anything to deserve this." To which of course he shoved me with his toy.
We all began to run, down the sidewalk where they originally cattled us to, and then the riot squad jumped off of their truck and started running at us with (what I think were) tear gas launchers. Everyone was screaming, running, and hiding behind a short brick wall that was there.
When we finally got away from the madness. We decided to take a short break in front of Amoeba. After about a minute, five cop cars (at least) with five cops in each car drove straight into the intersection. Before we even get a chance to wonder "WHAT NOW?", they hop out and grab on of my best friends and snatch her backpack and make her place her hands on the hood while they searched it. I began to rant and I threw my bag and told them to "search my fucking bag!" but a friend dragged me into amoeba. I was crying uncontrolably, and when I heard all of the screaming, I thought my friend was hurt. Although I was happy my friend wasn't hurt, I am very upset to hear about the young man who was tackled. The cops were being outrageous. The worst part is seeing them driving off, laughing, while we wiped off our tears. They deserve no respect, because they are not human.

>"Using Tactical Nukes is a way of "minimizing" >civilian casualties? "
>
>Where the hell did you come up with this?

Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon.

Don't you read the news? (Watching Fox doesn't count.)

Just one of MANY sources on the possibility of using nukes in Iraq:

Rumsfeld Won't Rule Out Nuclear Bomb Against Iraq
Feb 13, 1:01 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday refused to rule out the U.S. use of nuclear weapons in the possible war with Iraq, but noted atomic weapons have not been unleashed in hostilities since 1945.

"Rumsfeld Won't Rule Out Nuclear Bomb Against Iraq
Feb 13, 1:01 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday refused to rule out the U.S. use of nuclear weapons in the possible war with Iraq, but noted atomic weapons have not been unleashed in hostilities since 1945. "

xenia, I know you think you've uncovered some dark nefarious new policy, but let me hip you to something dummy. The use of nuclear weapons is NEVER ruled out in any conflict. This is nothing new. Use your head dummy. This is a far, far ,far way from saying that we "plan" to use tactical nukes. Jesus, you're really not one to think outside the box are you?

Hey tough guy, all that cock talk just proves my point of all you violent types who are so mind-fucked by the CIA induced propaganda. Sadly, your types have one thing in common: sexual repression and a deep sense of self loathing. You don't seem to realize just how controlled you are by those most sinister nazi types operating behind the scenes in all facets of life, recruits for the CIA. This lust for death, destruction, disassociation from all forms of life and love are impulsed moment by moment on tele-violence, and there you are, tough guy , adding to their assets. The sad and pathetic reality is that those same people behind the scenes that you seem to be so impulsed to please, would just as soon blow your own head off without a moments notice. Hey guy, for your sake try to find out who you really are and I'll be willing to bet if you were to open your heart and just start to feel your own terror and each and every hurt that you ever experienced, then try empathizing with others, then feel the pain and terror of all life just trying to live. Come on, deep down you will discover you are human like the rest of us. Perhaps one day even the slightest violent thought would seem repugnant to you. Believe me, there is always hope. Humans are awesome!

Okay, I am not a liberal. I love Jesus and America. I hate abortion. I love people. Guess what... I also despise the hypocrisy of condemning Saddam for the terrible things he has done, when our corrupted government does the same, and WORSE to it's own citizens. WAKE UP FOLKS! It's not about right vs. left, it's about Elite Capitalist Pigs oppressing anyone that stands in the way of their greedy agenda. WAKE UP to the Naziesque legislation being passed that completely undermines our constitutional rights. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BURNING OF OUR CONSTITUTION IN ORDER TO PLACE US UNDER MARTIAL LAW. Police brutality, FEMA "detention" centers, military controlled media...GET A CLUE. I was a staunch Bush supporter until I actually started examining the facts instead of the rhetoric. The city of New Orleans (the first of many), including it's police, fire, and medical services, are now controlled by FEDERAL HOMELAND DEFENSE!! If you think I'm pulling this stuff out of some delusion, check it out for yourself. Use your favorite search engine and study the truth for yourself. READ YOUR LEGISLATION! The Patriot Act, the Homeland Security Act, Our Lady of Liberty Act, etc ad nauseum. These are nothing more than tyrannical pretexts for Big Brother. Peaceful noncompliance is our best defense against the lies and corruption. We need to restore our own government system and then help empower before we can help anyone else. WAKE UP!

www.thirdworldtraveler.com go here to see and realize the ongoing American holocaust that has been happening for years and years. And to the people that fall to the "left" or to the "right"...fellas...read into subjects before ranting on about them...and I mean really read into them...don't just pick up your mourning newspaper."America is the most entertained and least informed people in the world..." -???-

Funny story on how YOU people think America commits mass atrocities:

To be sure, we've made our share of mistakes along the way. However, I don't believe anyone would disagree that the people of Afghanistan are better off now than when they were under the Taliban. Would anyone disagree that North Korea is a viable threat to peace and stability in the world. Again, no. Suppose for one moment that Saddam Hussein is allowed to remain in power. It is reasonable to suggest that he would feel himself untouchable by the major powers of the world. Feeling bold and confident, it's easy to imagine him completing a nuclear or chemical arsenal and then using it to blackmail or bully his neighbors like he did in Kuwait in '91.

How come YOU people never question Hussein's atrocities? I always see YOU people targeting Bush, where were YOU people when we went into Kosovo, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc. I find everyone on your side to be completely un-American, unrealistic, and ignorant, comparable to that of a 10 year old.

Sure its easy to say ''Dont bomb innocent Iraqi babies'', ''No blood for oil'', but you have to look at the bigger picture and stop using the same propaganda as Hussein, the GREATEST murderer of them all.

Hi, it's god here. I would just liek to qucily thank Americans everywhere, for doing the best job that any country could do, with their power. Their will to do good, and promotion of wolrd peace. Your power and wealth is going to good causes. Starve those black bastards, Beat those hippies, cut down all the tree's, declare war all all those nations. I mean, they can't have weapons of mass destruction, but you can, cause your AMERICA. - What a good job you did in Hiroshima, good killing of those thousands of innocent civilians! Oh, not to forget funding The Ira, and Iraq. You can kill who you want, you have my permission. And gay anal sex with Tony blair is excusable! Thank you.

anyone who was arrested please email me with info. i want know what i can do to help. i have had experience with this shit before. claire, and the other two arrestees(and anyone else) please email me.

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"Funny story on how YOU people think America commits mass atrocities"

You haven't even bothered to argue to the contrary.

"I don't believe anyone would disagree that the people of Afghanistan are better off now than when they were under the Taliban."

How would people *know*? Have you been to
Afghanistan? I'd say that the families of the numerous
civilians killed by or as a result of U.S. weaponry might
at least be ambivalent. For details with which you
are surely not familiar, see
http://www.zmag.org/terrorwar/znet_afghanistan.htm

"Would anyone disagree that North Korea is a viable threat to peace and stability in the world. Again, no."

But what does this have to do with whether the U.S.
commits atrocities? The fact is that Korea is responding to Bush's failure to stick to U.S. commitments, and to his clear demonstration
in the case of Iraq that the *only* defense against
the U.S. is nuclear weapons. The Koreans are
acting crazy, but no crazier than RIchard Nixon,
who established the principle of acting imbalanced
to keep the Soviets worried.

"Suppose for one moment that Saddam Hussein is allowed to remain in power. It is reasonable to suggest that he would feel himself untouchable by the major powers of the world."

No it isn't reasonable; only an ignorant fool would
suggest such a thing.

"Feeling bold and confident, it's easy to imagine him completing a nuclear or chemical arsenal"

Not with inspectors crawling all over the place,
satellite photos, U.S. troops all over the place.
Are you familiar with the France-Germany proposal?
No, of course you aren't -- you're an uninformed and
unthinking bozo who erroneously credits himself
with some sort of cleverness.

"and then using it to blackmail or bully his neighbors like he did in Kuwait in '91."

He neither blackmailed nor bullied Kuwait with
a nuclear and chemical arsenal -- he invaded
with conventional forces, and he was smashed
by the U.S. But daddy Bush withdrew and allowed
Hussein to destroy the Iraqi rebels, because keeping
Hussein in control, but utterly powerless to wage
another offensive, served U.S. geopolitical interests
at the time.

"How come YOU people never question Hussein's atrocities?"

How come you're a lying scumbag? Most people
opposed to the war are well aware of Hussein's
atrocities -- and yet oppose slaughtering masses of innocent Iraqis, installing General Tommy Franks as
the ruler of Iraq, and stealing their oil. If the U.S.
government cared about those atrocities they wouldn't
have put Hussein in place in the first place, armed him
for decades, withdrawn in '91 and let Hussein
slaughter the rebels, and maintained sanctions that
have killed millions of innocent Iraqis -- but haven't
touched Saddam Hussein personally, other than
solidifying his control over the populace through
monopoly of the supply of goods.

"I always see YOU people targeting Bush"

Your agenda is to have Bush *not* to be criticized,
you hypocrite.

"where were YOU people when we went into Kosovo, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc."

Since there are a lot of different "YOU people", it varies.

"I find everyone on your side"

Since there are all sorts of people here, that
sort of statement is stupid.

"to be completely un-American"

Meaningless jingoistic tripe. Most of us uphold
American traditions and principles, something
George Bush and folks like you oppose.

"unrealistic"

How many people died in Afghanistan, oh realist?
How many in Iraq since 1991? Or do you mistake
the images you get from TV, which showed *not a
single death* during the 1991 war to be "real"?

"and ignorant, comparable to that of a 10 year old."

That's a childish charge, to be sure.

"Sure its easy to say ''Dont bomb innocent Iraqi babies'', ''No blood for oil'', but you have to look at the bigger picture"

The bigger picture makes it ok to kill innocents?
Indeed, people look at the bigger picture of Bush''s
motivations, not just his propaganda.

"and stop using the same propaganda as Hussein"

So now "murder is wrong" is Hussein's propaganda?
The Pope opposes the war, saying it's unjust;
is he the equivalent of Hussein for doing so?
Your language reeks of propagandistic thinking.

"the GREATEST murderer of them all"

Oh, so he has Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot beat?
What a dishonest cretin you are.

Nice try with your lengthy response to Dave Asalamina.

You get an "A" for effort.

Unfortunately you get an "F" for content.

Dave Asalamina is on the money with his excellent post.

Brothers and sisters:

I have video of Saturday's police response to the breakaway march, but am in need of some assistance. Specifically, I don't have the means to convert the Super8 video to a digital format for posting on the internet. My computer is somewhat antiquated and its video capabilities leave somthing to be desired.

So if some good soul is willing to accept a VHS version, transferred from the original, to transfer to .wmv, .avi, Real or whatever, i am certainly willing to send you a copy, with the caveat that it must be posted on one of IndyMedia's sites for all to see LAPD's shamful conduct.

"Fight war, not wars. Destroy power, not people."

If you do the crime, you will do the time!

The people protesting in Hollywood love to claim police brutality no matter what. They do not believe the police can use force against those breaking the law without it being a crime. Thankfully, most of the U.S. views these people as nuts. 2/3 of Americans support Bush against Iraq. If Bush is so bad , how come Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate?? I can't wait to see more disgruntled anarchists and other rejects of society squirm when Bush gets 4 more years!

The U.S. allows free expression, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, unlike in Iraq. The whole U.S. can see the protesters screaming about how bad Bush is, but never a word about Saddam. This surely shows a lack of credibility on their parts. If they are truly against war (though many seem more against Bush than the concept of war), let them condemn at least call on Saddam to declare his weapons, per UN resolutions. War avoidence is in Hussein's hands. The guy has been given enough chances.

1. If Bush is so bad , how come
Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate??
Good question. Perhaps the software running the ‘vote ‘ had something to do with it.
The owners of said software are involved in direct conflict of interests, being republican
office holders and having closed proprietary systems. That smells very ripe..
2 The U.S. allows free expression, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, unlike in
Iraq.
That also may end.
Ever hear of ‘patriot act and the enhancement, ‘son of patriot act?
If we sit on our hands on this one our children will pay for our cowardice and stupidity with
a future where freedoms such as the right to dissent and address grievances together
with all the other forgotten myths of a free land.

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Rally/Direct Action/ against the pending war on Iraq. urge all people of conscience who oppose this war to use this day to rededicate themselves to the struggle in stopping the U.S. juggernaut of war and repression that threatens to unleash itself on the people of the world. On March 5th, everyone is asked to resist in anyway they can, to cross the line that hasn't been crossed in order to demonstrate their determination to prevent the carnage that will result if Bush and Co are able to carry out their plans.

LOCATION:Glendale Community College
Vaquero Plaza
1500 N. Verdugo Rd.
Glendale CA 91208

TIME:12:00PM
DATE:3/5/03

The Black Bloc must show its presence and unity in Los Angeles!

It comes down to this: If you're in favor of this war, then you blindly support George W. Bush. No evidence has been presented that our nation is threatened to the extent that we must go to war.

I beg all of you who support war to ask yourselves if Iraq really threatens our safety and if all measures to contain that threat have been exhausted.

Jon McLean

Why don't you all quit your whining about the so called 'police brutality' you experienced as you sat in the middle of the street & burned the American flag. I like the PEACE RALLY in San Francisco that I saw on the news that looked pretty unruly & violent to me. What a disgrace. The freedoms you are taking advantage of & stupifying with your actions were fought for by OUR military & veterans in situations like this throughout history. It really pisses me off to turn on the news & see a bunch of people who I am HOPING are earning an honest income by holding down a job like the rest of us looking like a bunch of homeless people out to get some attention by doing what seems popular right now.....I bet many of you are vegetarians as well. SO what if we haven't been "attacked" on our own soil by Iraq. Is that what we should wait for? Just like Septebler 11th. We did NOTHING before & lost over 3000 of our citizens because we 'waited' to be attacked. You people make me sick to my stomach. Nobody wants anyone in our military or any civilians (American or Iraqi) to die, but think about what the citizens of Iraq have been going through for decades. Put yourself in thier shoes for a moment. So you see them on the news saying they'll fight for Saddam & their country....they have NO CHOICE but to say that or they'll be killed. Good luck with your rallies & protests & remember we are the lisent majority. Next time one of you burns the American flag, think about the symbolism & meaning behind it. If it has come do that LEAVE.

The idea of a preemptive strike against any nation is insane. Hussein is certainly not a great guy, but neither are Armas, Suharto, Pinochet, the Taliban, the majuhadeen (who preceeded them), and numerous other right-wing dictators--all of which the U.S. put into power to protect corporate interests. These individuals were given billions in U.S. aid and their terrible atrocities against human beings were overlooked as long as the profits flow to the West. The great myth about U.S. military intervention is that it is fundamentally concerned with human rights and democracy, when in reality it is based on corporate greed.

If you get your information from the corporate media (ABC=Disney, NBC=General Electric, CBS=Westinghouse), then you have been completely misinformed and deluded. Some of this misinformation includes:

1) There is a relationship between Iraq and Al Queda
2) Hussein has weapons of mass destruction (but apparently, we are to believe that the U.S. does not)
3) The U.S. has not violated the UN charter by declaring war
4) That the U.S. has just started the war--If the U.S. gets bombed, don't we call it a war (think of 9/11)? But the U.S. has been bombing Iraq since 1991

The idea of fighting for peace makes as much sense as fucking for virginity. Am I to believe that I am allowed to attack the police during a protest because I think they may attack protestors? If a preemptive strike works for Bush, why shouldn't it work for the rest of the U.S.?

Many of the Police are ex-military, and to see you clueless self righteous cowards protesting their brave brothers makes them ill, since they know what its like to serve one's country. If you think they are brutal, try protesting Sadam in Iraq. Stay out of the streets, don't disrupt the people working to feed their kids, and you can protest until you are blue in the face. When you start blocking traffic and ignoring the public servants, you get what you deserve. Bodily excretions in public will not win you support, and neither will childish insults of soldiers or Amerca's leaders. If I ever see anyone harrasing a vet coming home from the war, I will personal make sure they suffer. Guess what? To true believers of Islam, you are still infidels and they want you dead too! Try reading the Quran. And by they way, do your homework on A.N.S.W.E.R. You might be unpleasantly surprised. Oh, 2/3 of USA back the war. That is democratic whether you will admit it or not.

wow
have you?
No.

I am ex-military, which explains why I am a fool. I allowed myself to be used like toiletpaper to fight wars for oil corporations.

You know, I have seen lots of demonstrations on the news lately, and I'm getting more and more agitated. I've heard claims from protestors making baseless, and senseless comments. One anti-war protest I viewed was stating claims such as we are there for the oil, and we are conquerers. I want them to tell that to a small child of an Iraqi mother who's husband, that child's father was executed for in some small way offending Saddam and his Baath party. Then after we fight a war, and win, to see crowds cheer and tear down statues of a vicious dictator, we have the protestors still protesting, which blows my mind. We won, you lose, get over it.
Then what happens next, "Oh, poor little defenseless me was attacked by a big bad police officer." When you obstruct traffic, and cause problems within a city, I think the cops have a right to disperse you. Then you stand there stubborn as a damn mule, saying, we won't go. What are the cops supposed to do, "Ok, you can stay. Block traffic, hey, while your at it: Let's go start throwing objects at officers. In a demonstration for peace, let's support it with violence." I'm in complete agreeance with the officer's position. I may not be a republican, or a right-winger, but I'm glad they finally got the balls to disperse an annoyance of a crowd, some of the officers do go overboard and get "club-happy" but I think if they are going to use it. Use it on someone with complete disregard to other people.

One other note: I've seen two very annoying arguements on anti-war protestors. One: we are there for oil DUH! HAVE WE TAKEN ANY OIL, NO! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, CHIRAC LOVING BASTARDS! Number two: They hate war, but support troops, ok. How do you support people you call killing machines. Do you know how degrading it is to see people at home protesting a war, in which you have seen the same regime the protestors are against removing, the same regime who is torturing and killing your comrades, bretheren who are dying in combat to protect freedom for all. Police have the same purpose as the army, only to defend the homeland.

wow
slow fuse, Goats.
Mar25

You know, I think that the people that actually support the war, the troops, the suffering people, and their country are the winners here. You damn protestors don't know what's going on over there, you say you want to protest for peace, yet some of you who protest say you should be able to yell at and BEAT people! What kind of dumbasses are you? Ok, lets promote peace and love by beating up other people. Like some of these guys and women have said, if I see anyone insulting our great troops or attacking a police officer to "protect their freedom of speech" then I will go ballistic. Notice how you don't want cops around whenever you protest or you are pulled over for a ticket. But if you are ever in trouble, you cry, "Where are the police?" Their busy dealing with stupid claims of police brutality and trying to defend bystanders and unblock traffic from you same shitheads. I think we've won this debate, you lose. GET OUT OF THE DAMN ROAD. We see you on the news, but do we support you, no. We laugh and wonder why there are so many assholes in the world, and not enough tear gas. I'm glad they beat you, if you stubborn enough to disobey the cops, who secure the rights of all the other people, by protesting for yours. Get over it selfish bastards. Write a newspaper column or something, and get out of all of our faces.

I be smart

You know, I think half of you protestors are cowards, you break laws, and promote peace with violence, we see it on the news, we see it with our eyes. You call yourselves protectors of peace by defending a terror regime who finds killing to be a national past-time. Also, you say that your "Comrades" are brave, and they say that about you, but you don't even give away any hint of your identity, because you are a coward. Your cause is dead, and so are your ideas. Go to france, where arrogance is law.

We hate Muslims. Join us.

Ok, you peace wishing haters, I read these stupid posts insulting our president and Tony Blair, I don't find every quality about them favorable, but you are dumb as shit. So, what about Saddam? Go on over there, tell them you are not from the Baath Party, and then die, but before you do realize how stupid your comments were. But one problem, WE WON! WE KICKED SO MUCH ASS OUR FOOT IS COMING OUT THEIR THROATS! Notice how the posts for anti war die when we win. You fucking panzees. Can't take the heat because you are dumb as shit. I wish the cops did more than beat you, I wish they'd ship your ass to one of those dictatorish anti-anything countries, like Iran. Hopefully you'll see the truth before you die. Bitch bitch bitch, I thank those police officers who protect us from terrorists. Then you assholes come along and distract them. I'd like them finding sleeper cells who want to kill us, then disperse your unruly mob. Assholes.

Kobe, what kind of racist genocidical psycho frauds are you? You're worse than the protestors, or the terrorists, well, maybe not the terrorists. You kind of remind me of hitler.