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Trent want to close the border

by Jamel Awad Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 1:13 AM
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Outrage over Trent Lott’s comment to close and militarize the border today on the O’Riley Factor TV and radio show.

Listening to the O’Riley Factor today, I learned that Trent Lott is in support of closing and militarizing our borders.

This is despicable our borders must remain open and the military kept out. Currently we receive many people into the United States that would otherwise not be able to enter if our borders were closed our patrolled by the military.

The US Military has no place on the Mexican azmerican border.

Trent Lott is wrong to show support for militarizing the border what is the Germany?

Please write your senators and tell them about your outrage of Trent Lott’s statements to close and militarize the border.

What ever happened to NAFTA? This is supposed to be the land of the free where we take in the sick and the hungry.
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Awad

by T-Mex Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 2:55 AM

You should consider the distinction between "legal" immigration and "illegal" immigration. . .

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 8:09 AM

...somethin' ain't kosher....
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Brrraaaappp

by Brrraaaappp Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 8:32 PM

Braaaaaaapp
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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 8:33 PM

Methinks I smell a rat...
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Border Closing

by John King Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2002 at 8:54 PM
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It's about time that we as Americans stop being
the open arm momma of the world. We need to take
care of our own. If not, who's going to care for us?
Close the Dam borders, it should have happened
long ago.
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Airship borders

by me Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2002 at 11:13 PM

Airship borders...
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check out this story in today's LA Times about plans to ring our borders and coasts with high-altitude airships, beginning as early as 2010:

"At 70,000 feet, the aircraft would be perched above the jet stream and adverse weather. Winds are calm enough that the airships could stay in geostationary positions, hovering over a specific site for months on end. They would need to come down only to replenish their helium, which over time would leak through the airships' skin.

At that height, sensors that have been perfected for satellites would be as much as 50 times more sensitive than if they were in space, providing highly detailed images. "
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It is Balloooooooonnnnnn

by Eric Von Hindenburg Saturday, Nov. 16, 2002 at 8:22 PM

If we order them in bright sunny colors I think our borders would look quite festive, don't you?
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Mr

by I Legal Saturday, Nov. 23, 2002 at 2:33 AM

Haven't you heard the Eagles song "..call a place paradise and kiss it goodbye.." The US is a paradise of country's in the world. If it gets overrun by millions of illegals it will be spoiled and ruined. The illegal immigrants streaming across the borders are costing US taxpayers billions of dollars a year. They bring disease and crime. The ranchers who live in the border areas are in constant fear for their families. And now the cartels are in the game of smuggling illegals because it is so lucative. If people want to come to the US it should be done in an orderly and LEGAL manner through visas. Is there something you don't understand about "LEGAL". it's the laws of this country that make it great and breaking them as you propose will ultimately lead to its destruction.
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like Manifest Destiny legal?

by me Saturday, Nov. 23, 2002 at 3:40 PM

you mean like how the Europeans came over here and destroyed the real paradise, stole all the resources, committed genocide, brought disease and crime and violence to the ancestors of people who are coming here "illegally" now? legal like that?

I think maybe we should thank these "illegals" for going so easy on us--rather than come here and massacre the U.S. population, they work shit jobs and contribute to its social structure and economic growth.
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Legal like that...

by Love and a .45 Sunday, Nov. 24, 2002 at 7:57 AM

Social structure and economic growth? You mean like gangs, or 5 families crammed into a single family dwelling? Boy, now that's progress! You asshole! If it weren't for the pioneers who built this motherfucker, do you think you'd be sitting around pounding on your keyboard, whining about the fucking indians? Fuck no! You'd be back in whatever shithole country you came from, slaving from dusk to dawn just to earn enough to buy a slice of bread for your family. You dumb motherfucker...
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..........

by ........ Sunday, Nov. 24, 2002 at 10:44 AM

Yeah, Mr. Love, all that use of profanity clearly displays how much smarter you are ...
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Yup...

by Love and a .45 Monday, Nov. 25, 2002 at 10:10 PM

Well, I'm smart enought NOT to live on a reservation, be in a gang, or have to sneak across a border...
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..........

by ......... Tuesday, Nov. 26, 2002 at 10:25 AM

And the simplistic stereotypes help, too.
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that's funny

by me Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002 at 1:39 AM

"the pioneers who built this motherfucker." that's too funny man. I can just picture your face screwing itself into some ugly-ass self-righteous expression of smug patriotism as your ass cheeks clench up in anger and constipation.

breathe. let it out.

it's funny to watch these dopes squirm about stuff like immigration. they know their number is up, that's why they get so pissed off about it. it's not about taxpayer money and stupid shit like that, which they know they can't back up. They know these people come here and build up the economy--that's what bothers them so much. They know they're coming here and raising families and "infecting" the stupid dominant American "culture" with some REAL culture, and it won't be long before sheer numbers and quality of culture wipe the dominant fuckers out.

It bugs the living shit out of them that salsa replaced ketchup as the number one condiment in "this motherfucker." haha you dips. here, have a taco.

They're gasping their last breaths and choking on their greed and selfishness, and grasping at everyone around them with all their hate and violence. But no amount of blimps is gonna keep people from making families and communities and culture. That's what's got you running scared. We're over here intermingling and intermarrying, mixing cultures up, making babies, and teaching them how to be human, and pretty soon they're gonna kick your dopey homogenous robot kids' little asses.

They really truly believe they exemplify the principle of "survival of the fittest." I think maybe they do, but I think they got it wrong which end of it they're on. This "motherfucker" is not built on survival of the fittest, but survival of the meannest, most greedy, most cruel and cynical, most ruthless. And sooner or later it'll catch up with you, assholes. Now they see maybe the fittest are those who know how to share and get along and build and maintain community. Now THERE'S a "motherfucker" to be proud of building. Now they see their extinction on the horizon, and they see the REAL fittest, the REAL ones who were already here before, and who will be here afterward and prove to be the fittest in the end. And they're saying, Holy Homogeneity, Batman--maybe evolution seeks out diversity in order to better chances of survival! Maybe making everything the same and killing everything and everyone else who's different is not such a good thing for survival! Maybe all these people streaming over the borders represent our own extinction! Shit, maybe our plan backfired! Whoops.

dopes.
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Something funnier...

by Love and a .45 Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002 at 2:44 AM

Actually, I did "let it out". Dig this-

"Here I sit, my buns a-flexin', giving birth to another mexican!" Hahahaha!!

Yeah, amigo, that's what bothers me. The way these "people" build up the economy- theirs! $23 billion a year to their native countries, homie. As far as "infecting" anything, you must mean the outbreak of tuberculosis in San Diego county. Yessiree, boy! That, along with dope smuggling, gangs, teen pregnancy, mullets, fat mariachis, ad nauseaum, is some "REAL culture", and once the "dominant fuckers" are gone, that "REAL CULTURE" will attempt to maintain the infrastructure. Hahahaha!!! Man, THAT will be a laugh! I'd love to see some greaseballs attempting to further technology, only to realize that "Gringos" aren't around to hold their filthy little hands!! Oh, yeah! Some strawberry picker will also head Microsoft one day, right?

"REAL ones who were already here before, and who will be here afterward and prove to be the fittest in the end." (Like cockroaches, only dumber...)

"Maybe making everything the same and killing everything and everyone else who's different is not such a good thing for survival!" (Funny how you mention that, especially since all I see streaming across the border has that same shit-brown skin, their kids a murderous thugs whose excuse for shooting innocent children is, "They were just in the way", whose macho husbands treat their mamasitas like Reyes punching bags, whose whole "REAL" culture is that of a parasite, bent of destruction, living in filth like that from whence they came. I agree, spic, that it isnot a good thing for survival. There may be a lot of sheep crossing the border, but only a few lions are required to keep them in line, puto.
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ha ha

by proud shitsican Saturday, Mar. 13, 2004 at 5:36 PM

these people come here for a reason. shit is fucked up back home. the economy sucks. people in Mexico city have to live on four dollars a day. the government is rife with corruption and nobody trusts the cops. you add US corporate interests into the mix, and you've got everybody wanting to get the fuck out, and save themselves and their families. and the whole process is not a fucking picnic. they're not fucking singing songs on the way over here and thinking about the wonderful jobs they get to steal from whitey.
they get here and they scrub toilets, wash dishes, sew cheap clothes and mop the Walmarts at night. a lot of them make it and after awhile DO become citizens. they raise their families, buy property, and contribute to their communities.
and don't act all high and fucking mighty. like you've never heard of white trash couples beating up on each other at home, or white loner nerds shooting up their schools. every race has their problems. OxyContin, anyone?
if you hate mexicans for no other reason that you JUST DO, then whatever. that's cool. just don't try to act like your shit don't stink.

and upperclass white people eat up that mariachi shit.
and how dare you try to blame the mullet on mexicans.

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Conseguí servido.

by proud. shitsican Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 2:45 AM

Conseguí servido.
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back the classic

by Hal G. Ore Thursday, May. 06, 2004 at 12:45 AM

back the classic...
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error
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Shitsigo?

by Meyer Londonn Wednesday, May. 12, 2004 at 7:53 PM

I can't believe you call Mexico "Shitsigo." It should be called Rejexico.
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unacceptable

by Juan Plata Saturday, Jul. 17, 2004 at 3:40 AM

" shitsico ? " unacceptable
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editorial

by more rational Saturday, Jul. 17, 2004 at 6:17 AM

"Whitey ain’t perfect but he’s here LEGALLY and speaks ENGLISH. And liberal "diversity" ain't nothing but 'divide and conquer.' "

Corrected:

Whitey isn't perfect, but he's here "legally" and speaks English. Liberal "diversity" is nothing but "divide and conquer."

Comment:

Actually, racial animosity is "divide and conquer." "Diversity" seeks to create some harmony between groups, primarily with the goal to stabilize relations between minorities and white people.
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ass backwards

by diversity nonsense Saturday, Jul. 17, 2004 at 7:57 AM

ass backwards...
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""Diversity" seeks to create some harmony between groups, primarily with the goal to stabilize relations between minorities and white people."

Well, it doesn't. It does just the opposite, and those who support it use it to grab power, nothing more.

Let's clarify. "Diversity" has two meanings.

1) The apolitical meaning might be construed as an unintended result created by natural circumstances (e.g. diverse species in the desert)

2) The PC concept of "diversity" is a divide-and-conquer strategy of cultural marxists.

2a) a flawed concept proclaiming each race is an island unto itself.

2b) a promotion of phony "all cultures are equal" propganda that no one sane believes (is a witch doctor "equal" to a neurosurgeon)?

2c) Finally, it's a buzzword for "no Whites" or "subdued White culture"

I'm ashamed to say the under-the-radar attacks of definition 2 and its subset have worked over the past 80 years. American society is badly fractured. Thanks to indoctrinated, enforced "fairness" and fabricated 'rights' for groups, Whites are now pitted against minorities (who also oppose each other) straights against gays, men against women, young against old, rich against poor.

The final joke will be when socialists trade their multicultural facade and try to seize power outright. There will be no "Unum" to govern, only "Pluribus" factions at war.






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unclear on the concept

by more rational Saturday, Jul. 17, 2004 at 1:36 PM

Before the Civil Rights Movement, before all this Diversity stuff, whites were pitted against minorities, straight people didn't like gays, rich exploited poor, men had power over women, and the older people had power over the younger.

Now, in the age of diversity, white people are now acknowledging that minorities, gays, the poor, women, and the young want equality.

We were never equal before. We are not equal now. The difference between then and now, is, today, lip service is given to the idea that "others" should get rights, and that different people should try hard to get along.

In the past, inequality was more accepted, especially by those in power, and conflict was supposed to be resolved by the person with less power learning to "stay in their place." This was done with force and coercion, at many levels.

Today, institutions and corporations have adopted a multicultural agenda. Their main motivations include fairness and some kind of ethical justification, but also include self-interest: they want access to a larger, better labor pool, and they want to avoid social self-destruction that accompanies systems of internal oppression. They want to "skim the cream" from every possible group. They want to avoid the uprisings that happen in apartheid.

That's why below average white men are pissed off. They're losing some of the advantages they had over minorities. Moreover, they sense, over the course of their life, that they are losing the little "boost" that being white and male used to have.

As for Marxists... they took a long time to get in line with the whole diversity thing. I think they resisted it until the 1980s, meaning that they jumped on that bandwagon well after the governments and corporations decided to desegregate. Their argument, was, I believe, that racism and sexism were used by the ruling class to divide the working class, and that revolutionaries needed to just ignore these divisions.

That's what led to some socialist groups to put down gays. It's probably related to the fact that Marx was pretty sexist, and racist too. Socialism, like capitalism, is Eurocentric. It's male-dominated, and heterosexual/sexist. It's even anti-ecological.

The reason why socialists have gotten into multi-culti, gay rights, feminism, and ecology has less to do with Marx than with reality. Reality is, in America, we're in an anti-colonial, post-industrial era, with a lot of economic growth. The need for labor, particularly intellectual labor, is insatiable. We have closed borders, but, the economy absorbs undocumented workers like a sponge. Women are drawn into this demand for labor too. We're causing global pollution that's deforming babies.

In order to deal with reality, to have relevance to labor, socialism had to get multicultural.

Just like capitalism did.

When multiculturalism and socialism get lumped together, it is red baiting by middle-class white guys who feel threatened by both things, and can't distinguish between the two.
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"diversity" destroys unity; when that dies, bye-bye!

by diversity is nonsense Saturday, Jul. 17, 2004 at 8:57 PM

Before the Civil Rights Movement, before all this Diversity stuff, whites were pitted against minorities, straight people didn't like gays, rich exploited poor, men had power over women, and the older people had power over the younger.

-----And nothing has changed, except the Ministry of Diversity has eliminated any common ground, destroyed assimilation and unity, and turned freedom from a right into a privilege that can be revoked by an elitist few.

In the age of diversity, white people are now acknowledging that minorities, gays, the poor, women, and the young want equality.

------No, “they”—the hucksters behind the curtain—want a free ride. They want rewards without earning them, and special “rights” kustom made for them that other groups don’t have. Minority members outside of the cabal are just playing alon, as it’s human nature to except “free” gifts and buy on credit. If someone is getting a check every month simply for being so-and-so member of X race, why fight it?

----That’s what all these handout roles to the unqualified amount to. The “new law “ and cultural marxists are assigning their own warped values. That’s why we’re all supposed to be “extra-outraged” when a gay person or minority is murdered, instead of being outraged that a HUMAN was murdered.

----The poor and clueless deserve to remain that way for not learning to adapt, not getting educated and not learning to speak the language.

We were never equal before. We are not equal now.

------While not being Pollyanna about it, America remains the last best chance for prosperity, freedom and relative equality of opportunity.

The difference between then and now, is, today, lip service is given to the idea that "others" should get rights, and that different people should try hard to get along.

------It’s only “lip service” if you’re part of the machine that’s trying to make a buck off it. Just like the vacuum cleaner salesman starts with a handful of dirt, professional victims will never acknowledge ANY racial progress. Most people today, while prejudiced in small ways, don’t approve of lynchings, and smart employers look for qualified applicants no matter their background.

In the past, inequality was more accepted, especially by those in power, and conflict was supposed to be resolved by the person with less power learning to "stay in their place." This was done with force and coercion, at many levels.

------It has never been any different in any part of the world. Those that learn to integrate as much as possible and get educated as much as possible seem to have the least problems. There is a great fallacy that assimilation means losing one’s soul. If anything, it enhances one’s personal values, since greater wealth and success means greater mobility.
Today, institutions and corporations have adopted a multicultural agenda. Their main motivations include fairness and some kind of ethical justification, but also include self-interest: they want access to a larger, better labor pool, and they want to avoid social self-destruction that accompanies systems of internal oppression. They want to "skim the cream" from every possible group. They want to avoid the uprisings that happen in apartheid.

-----Enlightened institutions and corporations are not trusted by socialists. If they were, there would be no laws ENFORCING racial quotas and the rest of it. Apartheid, ironically, exposes the truth about people…that they are not naturally so prejudiced as to work against their best interests, Thus laws were needed to enforce segregation.

That's why below average white men are pissed off. They're losing some of the advantages they had over minorities. Moreover, they sense, over the course of their life, that they are losing the little "boost" that being white and male used to have.

------Whites of all classes and both sexes—indeed all Euro-stock Americans---should be pissed off. They’re losing **some** advantages simply because there’s a larger labor pool and more competition. But additionally, they are being deliberately disadvantaged and discriminated against. Some minorities think of this as "payback" but it's a foolish game, they're only hurting themselves, the same way humanity lost all the potential cerebral contributions of those who were made slaves.

----European culture and Western civilization are under attack, and the anarchic garbage that’s not-so-subtly replacing superior values and ideals will never stand the test of time. They never have.

-----It’s been proven all over the world….when the majority population falls below 50%, that’s the end of that country. When Whitey is no longer the majority population and the underpinnings of Xtianity have been dismantled, America will go right down the shitter. Pablo knows it, Tyrone knows it, Nguyen knows it, Abdul knows it, Bruce Queer-eye knows it and unshaven Dyke Darla knows it.. The only guy still asleep is Euro-Bob Anglo, who has lost the balls or interest to propagate his values. Whitey has simply lost the fire to keep going, and if he burns himself out due to lack of interest, he has only himself to blame. But the lease he could do is awaken in time to know his home’s on fire.

-----The Muslims will overwhelm everyone anyway, as they're doing in Europe, simply by breeding like flies. Same goes for Latin Ameican countries.

As for Marxists... they took a long time to get in line with the whole diversity thing. I think they resisted it until the 1980s, meaning that they jumped on that bandwagon well after the governments and corporations decided to desegregate. Their argument, was, I believe, that racism and sexism were used by the ruling class to divide the working class, and that revolutionaries needed to just ignore these divisions.

-----Marxism was and is a flop. Even Marx figured that out. It has never been successful anywhere on the globe.

That's what led to some socialist groups to put down gays. It's probably related to the fact that Marx was pretty sexist, and racist too. Socialism, like capitalism, is Eurocentric. It's male-dominated, and heterosexual/sexist. It's even anti-ecological.
When multiculturalism and socialism get lumped together, it is red baiting by middle-class white guys who feel threatened by both things, and can't distinguish between the two.

-------All-class White guys and gals should be alarmed by both the multi-cult and socialism. The first is a scam perpetrated by racial hucksters. “End users” and the naïve who just want “more equality” without a clue that you can’t produce “more” of an intangible have no idea of the ill effects their out-of-touch masters want. The racial “leaders” don’t care about them, they are pawns, just like NAACP blacks.

-------Socialism always festers and dies because it doesn’t acknowledge the Individual, doesn’t reward merit and punishes success.

----By destroying Western Cilvilization, the so-called disenfranchised are slaying the goose that lays the golden eggs.

----It's only a matter of time before America falls to the barbarians.
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Send'em Back

by Meyer Rational Monday, Apr. 18, 2005 at 4:55 AM

Tough Love for Mexico

by

Donald E. Pauly

11 April 2005

Mexico is a land rich in resources. It has plenty of rich agricultural land, mineral deposits, warm seacoasts, and huge oil reserves. Instead of developing those resources to provide jobs, Mexico exports its jobless people to work here. Their government cares nothing about the welfare of their citizens. It only cares about the $15 billion that they send home each year. This is Mexico's second largest source of foreign exchange after oil exports. Mexico has exported A FIFTH OF ITS POPULATION to our country.

These 23 million Mexicans cost our tax payers $68 billion per year. The cost of their presence is spread out in welfare, education of their children, incarceration of their criminals, and medical care. Mexican drug trafficing is made much easier by the millions of their citizens who are illegally here. The war on drugs costs $80 billion per year and the associated crime and medical expense costs billions more.

America has 300 million people and does not need any more. Our country is rapidly being destroyed by an occupying army of Mexicans. This army has rendered millions of U.S. citizens jobless and caused overall wages to plummet. Mexico has a real weapon of mass destruction inside this country aided by a fifth column of illegal alien lovers. We can have decent Mexican restaurants in every city over 100,000 with no more than 2000 Mexican chefs. Americans can perform the rest of the jobs.

We need to give Mexico a little tough love. That country has proven itself incapable of self-government. We occupied Mexico City in 1848 and should never have left. If the government there doesn't like the necessary measures, it is time for some cruise missiles to visit Vicente Fox's ranch. If that fails get his attention, the next step is invasion and occupation. To solve the problem we must address the reasons that Mexicans leave home as well as the reasons that they come here. They do not want to come to this country. They are forced to flee here to escape the grinding poverty in Mexico.

The problem must be solved in the following stages:

1. Jail U.S. employers who hire illegal aliens
2. Seal the border with Mexico
3. Stop ALL immigration
4. Abolish all green cards and H1-B visas
5. Deport all non-citizens to their countries of origin.
6. Stop all food exports to Mexico
7. Import as much Mexican food as possible
8. Start a DECLINE in the population of Mexico
9. Develop the Mexican oil fields
10. Develop Mexican mineral resources
11. Collect reparations

Jobs in this country are the attractive nuisance that bring Mexican illegal aliens here. A bounty of $1,000 should be paid to anyone who turns in an employer who has hired an illegal alien. That employer should receive a minimum prison sentence of two years. Claims by the employer that the illegal alien's documents appeared genuine will not be accepted. This is the purpose of a job interview. An employer smart enough to make payroll knows whether the potential employee is a U.S. citizen or not. After the first few employers are hauled off in handcuffs in front of video cameras, no illegal alien will be able to find a job anywhere.

The employment of illegal aliens is a vicious circle. When some employers hire them, other employers must also do so to stay in business. Jailing all employers who do will level the playing field so that no rogue employer will dare hire an illegal alien. While this will increase the prices of some things, the extra money will circulate in our economy instead of being sent to Mexico. This money will stimulate our economy and cause wages to rise more than the additional cost of some items. When society does not have to subsidize illegal aliens, our taxes will go down and our standard of living will rise.

Chris Simcox patrols with the Tombstone Militia on the Arizona border for illegal aliens. Within days of Bush talking about amnesty, all the illegal aliens that they apprehended said that they had come to get their amnesty. A 2,000-mile fence will cost billions of dollars and damage the environment. It is not necessary. A "shoot to kill on sight" policy should be established for illegal border crossers. This should be done without regard to race, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national origin, or citizenship status.

Not every illegal border crosser would have to be shot. Bring the closest Mexican consular officer out to collect the first carcass. The word will spread instantly all over Mexico. Immigration would be halted within days. This is actually quite a humane policy. It would save the lives of the 200 Mexicans who die from thirst each summer while trying to cross the Arizona desert. It would be far more effective than putting out water cans.

Only about 2,000 Border Patrol agents used as snipers would be required, one per mile. No additional agents would need to be hired since four shifts could be organized from existing agents. Huge numbers of agents would become available for reassignment. The extra agents can be used to form dragnets to rid the country of illegal aliens who are deep inside our borders.

The next step is to stop all legal immigration. The total number of political refugees must be kept under a hundred per year. As soon as the political conditions which created the need for them to be here are gone, they should be immediately repatriated. We have let refugees from Central American into this country because of earthquakes. They are still here 10 years later. Rather than bringing the victims of natural disasters here, the aid must be sent to them.

The only non-citizens allowed to work in this country should be those employed at foreign embassies, cooks at specialty restaurants, and as language teachers. Their numbers must be kept at the absolute minimum. Tourists or students should be admitted into this country only if they have return tickets to their home countries. Foreign students attending our universities must leave immediately after graduation.

We do not need ANY foreign workers in this country. Every green card should be revoked and every H1-B visa cancelled. Their former holders should be deported with their families to their country of origin. This is the proper way to achieve family unification. Children of non-citizens who were born in this country should be deported with their parents. Only a few arrests and deportations of non-citizens would be necessary. With the possibility of employment gone, illegal aliens would return to their home countries. Every past citizenship application should be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Where an applicant has lied or committed any kind of fraud, they should have their citizenship revoked and be deported.

We need to revive the Old West tradition of bounty hunters. A bounty of $100 should be established for the arrest of any illegal alien. This would be a profitable profession for interested parties. Any peace officer who encounters an illegal alien should be required to report them to the Immigration and Custom Enforcement. Any doctor who treats an illegal alien should be required to report them to ICE. Teachers should be also required to report any illegal alien parents that they become aware of, or their children. Any law enforcement officer, doctor, or teacher who fails to report an illegal alien should be imprisoned for two years without exception.

All deportees should be required to pay the cost of their deportation. If they are not able to do so, their property should be sold to defray their passage back home. Prior to deportation, non-citizens should be also be required to pay for any welfare or medical treatment that they have received. Their property should be confiscated and sold for this purpose if necessary. The taxpayer should pick up the tab only as a last resort.

None of these measures will prevent Mexicans from wanting to escape the overcrowding and poverty of Mexico. The solution of that problem is just as important as eliminating the environment that attracts them here. NAFTA (No American Factories Taking Applications) was a disaster for rural Mexico. Iowa corn is being sold in Mexico for half what it costs Mexican farmers to grow it.

We should not export agricultural products to any countries that are not stabilizing their population. Cheap food exports allow the Third World to breed like flies. Most rural Mexican villages are virtually deserted except for the very old and the very young. The farmers have all emigrated to the U.S. to find work. The remaining population are being supported by the money sent back to them from the U.S. earnings of former residents.

ALL FOOD EXPORTS to Mexico must be stopped. This will allow Mexican farmers to make a living and provide jobs for the Mexicans deported from the U.S. The loss of export markets for a this portion of our agricultural market is less harmful than the benefits of stopping immigration. We should only grow crops in this country that can be highly mechanized, like corn, wheat, soybeans, potatoes and cotton. Labor intensive crops like lettuce, onions, grapes, and peppers should be grown only in Mexico. This will provide jobs for unskilled Mexicans who can do nothing else. We should import Mexican vegetables not Mexicans. Any labor intensive crops grown in this county should be harvested by chain gangs of immigration lawyers. It will take them many years to work off their sentences.

Mexico has an abundance of rich farm land that can be used to grow labor intensive winter vegetables, but there are problems with sanitation. In 2003, several hundred Americans got hepatitis from eating Mexican scallions in Philadelphia. Several died. The outbreak was traced to the use of human sewage as fertilizer in Mexico. We will have to teach Mexican agricultural workers how to use field toilets. Our experts can teach them how to grow crops in a sanitary manner. We must dispatch inspectors to verify that they continue to do so. Then we can safely import huge amounts of food from Mexico.

Over 20 million Mexicans live in Mexico City. The air there is the most polluted in the entire world. The vast majority of that population can be dispersed to the rural countryside when their agriculture is developed. Development of Mexican oil fields and mines will provide high paying jobs. This will employ many of the 23 million Mexicans which will be deported from this country.

These are all stop-gap measures unless the population of Mexico is reduced. Their emigration to the U.S. is driven by out of control population growth. Until this is stopped, the problem cannot be solved permanently. A Mexican is born every 45 seconds and one emigrates to America every 30 seconds. A one child per family policy like China's must be immediately enforced in Mexico.

After the birth of her first child, every Mexican woman must be sterilized. Whatever force that is necessary must be used. We can provide a small army of doctors to help Mexico do the job. The cost of spaying a cat is $100. Surely $400 would be enough for a Mexican in mass production. Assuming 20 million Mexican women are of child bearing age, this would cost $8 billion. At one operation per hour, it will take 10,000 doctors one year to do the job. This is only a few percent of the total number of doctors in this country. Thereafter a trickle of sterilizations would maintain the one child per family policy. A million Mexican illegal aliens presently enter this country each year. Each costs society about $8,000 per year. In one year, we could save as much as the sterilization will cost.

Mexico has huge untapped oil reserves which their state oil monopoly Pemex has not properly exploited, see here. Since Mexico nationalized Pemex in 1938, it has been run inefficiently with rampant corruption. We import about three billion barrels of oil from Arab countries each year, see here. Those three billion barrels will make about 120 billion gallons of gasoline. This is 400 gallons for every person in this country, enough to drive 12,000 miles.

It would be far better to get all of this oil from Mexico rather than from Arab countries. If we didn't need their oil, we would have a handy excuse to keep Arabs out of our country. They wouldn't have money for terrorism if we didn't buy their oil. Our Middle East policy would be much more flexible as well. Getting the Mexican oil fields in shape would give Bush's beloved Haliburton something to do. Many jobs would be created for U.S. citizens in the Mexican oil fields. Pemex would be hiring and many Mexicans would get high paying oil field jobs.

Our southern neighbor has rich platinum, gold, and silver deposits. These riches must be exploited to provide jobs for their population. Tailings from old Spanish silver mines can be worked profitably with modern technology. Old mines can be reclaimed for agricultural land. Mexico has thousands of miles of beautiful sea coasts that can be developed for tourism. This will provide huge numbers of jobs as well.

Universal public education must be enforced in Mexico. This includes teaching Spanish to Mexican Indians. Mexicans must be educated to do high-tech work rather than just picking lettuce and trimming palm trees. We should train them as doctors, nurses, and engineers. If they are short on lawyers, we can send them a million of ours. At some point, we should be able to establish self government when they have become capable of it.

Once we get their economy humming, it is payback time. Reparations should be collected for the past costs of Mexican illegal immigration. This would include deportation expense, illegal alien crime, social services, education of Mexican children, and medical care. Most likely, this would amount to $600 billion or so. If each of 120 million Mexicans paid reparations of $1,000 per year, the total could be paid back in only five years.

Donald E. Pauly

The author is an electronic engineer with two patents and a commercial pilot with airplane and helicopter ratings. He is Executive Director of a new political party, the Emigration Party of Nevada.

Emigration Party of Nevada
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Send'em Back

by Meyer Rational Monday, Apr. 18, 2005 at 4:56 AM

Tough Love for Mexico

by

Donald E. Pauly

11 April 2005

Mexico is a land rich in resources. It has plenty of rich agricultural land, mineral deposits, warm seacoasts, and huge oil reserves. Instead of developing those resources to provide jobs, Mexico exports its jobless people to work here. Their government cares nothing about the welfare of their citizens. It only cares about the $15 billion that they send home each year. This is Mexico's second largest source of foreign exchange after oil exports. Mexico has exported A FIFTH OF ITS POPULATION to our country.

These 23 million Mexicans cost our tax payers $68 billion per year. The cost of their presence is spread out in welfare, education of their children, incarceration of their criminals, and medical care. Mexican drug trafficing is made much easier by the millions of their citizens who are illegally here. The war on drugs costs $80 billion per year and the associated crime and medical expense costs billions more.

America has 300 million people and does not need any more. Our country is rapidly being destroyed by an occupying army of Mexicans. This army has rendered millions of U.S. citizens jobless and caused overall wages to plummet. Mexico has a real weapon of mass destruction inside this country aided by a fifth column of illegal alien lovers. We can have decent Mexican restaurants in every city over 100,000 with no more than 2000 Mexican chefs. Americans can perform the rest of the jobs.

We need to give Mexico a little tough love. That country has proven itself incapable of self-government. We occupied Mexico City in 1848 and should never have left. If the government there doesn't like the necessary measures, it is time for some cruise missiles to visit Vicente Fox's ranch. If that fails get his attention, the next step is invasion and occupation. To solve the problem we must address the reasons that Mexicans leave home as well as the reasons that they come here. They do not want to come to this country. They are forced to flee here to escape the grinding poverty in Mexico.

The problem must be solved in the following stages:

1. Jail U.S. employers who hire illegal aliens
2. Seal the border with Mexico
3. Stop ALL immigration
4. Abolish all green cards and H1-B visas
5. Deport all non-citizens to their countries of origin.
6. Stop all food exports to Mexico
7. Import as much Mexican food as possible
8. Start a DECLINE in the population of Mexico
9. Develop the Mexican oil fields
10. Develop Mexican mineral resources
11. Collect reparations

Jobs in this country are the attractive nuisance that bring Mexican illegal aliens here. A bounty of $1,000 should be paid to anyone who turns in an employer who has hired an illegal alien. That employer should receive a minimum prison sentence of two years. Claims by the employer that the illegal alien's documents appeared genuine will not be accepted. This is the purpose of a job interview. An employer smart enough to make payroll knows whether the potential employee is a U.S. citizen or not. After the first few employers are hauled off in handcuffs in front of video cameras, no illegal alien will be able to find a job anywhere.

The employment of illegal aliens is a vicious circle. When some employers hire them, other employers must also do so to stay in business. Jailing all employers who do will level the playing field so that no rogue employer will dare hire an illegal alien. While this will increase the prices of some things, the extra money will circulate in our economy instead of being sent to Mexico. This money will stimulate our economy and cause wages to rise more than the additional cost of some items. When society does not have to subsidize illegal aliens, our taxes will go down and our standard of living will rise.

Chris Simcox patrols with the Tombstone Militia on the Arizona border for illegal aliens. Within days of Bush talking about amnesty, all the illegal aliens that they apprehended said that they had come to get their amnesty. A 2,000-mile fence will cost billions of dollars and damage the environment. It is not necessary. A "shoot to kill on sight" policy should be established for illegal border crossers. This should be done without regard to race, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national origin, or citizenship status.

Not every illegal border crosser would have to be shot. Bring the closest Mexican consular officer out to collect the first carcass. The word will spread instantly all over Mexico. Immigration would be halted within days. This is actually quite a humane policy. It would save the lives of the 200 Mexicans who die from thirst each summer while trying to cross the Arizona desert. It would be far more effective than putting out water cans.

Only about 2,000 Border Patrol agents used as snipers would be required, one per mile. No additional agents would need to be hired since four shifts could be organized from existing agents. Huge numbers of agents would become available for reassignment. The extra agents can be used to form dragnets to rid the country of illegal aliens who are deep inside our borders.

The next step is to stop all legal immigration. The total number of political refugees must be kept under a hundred per year. As soon as the political conditions which created the need for them to be here are gone, they should be immediately repatriated. We have let refugees from Central American into this country because of earthquakes. They are still here 10 years later. Rather than bringing the victims of natural disasters here, the aid must be sent to them.

The only non-citizens allowed to work in this country should be those employed at foreign embassies, cooks at specialty restaurants, and as language teachers. Their numbers must be kept at the absolute minimum. Tourists or students should be admitted into this country only if they have return tickets to their home countries. Foreign students attending our universities must leave immediately after graduation.

We do not need ANY foreign workers in this country. Every green card should be revoked and every H1-B visa cancelled. Their former holders should be deported with their families to their country of origin. This is the proper way to achieve family unification. Children of non-citizens who were born in this country should be deported with their parents. Only a few arrests and deportations of non-citizens would be necessary. With the possibility of employment gone, illegal aliens would return to their home countries. Every past citizenship application should be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Where an applicant has lied or committed any kind of fraud, they should have their citizenship revoked and be deported.

We need to revive the Old West tradition of bounty hunters. A bounty of $100 should be established for the arrest of any illegal alien. This would be a profitable profession for interested parties. Any peace officer who encounters an illegal alien should be required to report them to the Immigration and Custom Enforcement. Any doctor who treats an illegal alien should be required to report them to ICE. Teachers should be also required to report any illegal alien parents that they become aware of, or their children. Any law enforcement officer, doctor, or teacher who fails to report an illegal alien should be imprisoned for two years without exception.

All deportees should be required to pay the cost of their deportation. If they are not able to do so, their property should be sold to defray their passage back home. Prior to deportation, non-citizens should be also be required to pay for any welfare or medical treatment that they have received. Their property should be confiscated and sold for this purpose if necessary. The taxpayer should pick up the tab only as a last resort.

None of these measures will prevent Mexicans from wanting to escape the overcrowding and poverty of Mexico. The solution of that problem is just as important as eliminating the environment that attracts them here. NAFTA (No American Factories Taking Applications) was a disaster for rural Mexico. Iowa corn is being sold in Mexico for half what it costs Mexican farmers to grow it.

We should not export agricultural products to any countries that are not stabilizing their population. Cheap food exports allow the Third World to breed like flies. Most rural Mexican villages are virtually deserted except for the very old and the very young. The farmers have all emigrated to the U.S. to find work. The remaining population are being supported by the money sent back to them from the U.S. earnings of former residents.

ALL FOOD EXPORTS to Mexico must be stopped. This will allow Mexican farmers to make a living and provide jobs for the Mexicans deported from the U.S. The loss of export markets for a this portion of our agricultural market is less harmful than the benefits of stopping immigration. We should only grow crops in this country that can be highly mechanized, like corn, wheat, soybeans, potatoes and cotton. Labor intensive crops like lettuce, onions, grapes, and peppers should be grown only in Mexico. This will provide jobs for unskilled Mexicans who can do nothing else. We should import Mexican vegetables not Mexicans. Any labor intensive crops grown in this county should be harvested by chain gangs of immigration lawyers. It will take them many years to work off their sentences.

Mexico has an abundance of rich farm land that can be used to grow labor intensive winter vegetables, but there are problems with sanitation. In 2003, several hundred Americans got hepatitis from eating Mexican scallions in Philadelphia. Several died. The outbreak was traced to the use of human sewage as fertilizer in Mexico. We will have to teach Mexican agricultural workers how to use field toilets. Our experts can teach them how to grow crops in a sanitary manner. We must dispatch inspectors to verify that they continue to do so. Then we can safely import huge amounts of food from Mexico.

Over 20 million Mexicans live in Mexico City. The air there is the most polluted in the entire world. The vast majority of that population can be dispersed to the rural countryside when their agriculture is developed. Development of Mexican oil fields and mines will provide high paying jobs. This will employ many of the 23 million Mexicans which will be deported from this country.

These are all stop-gap measures unless the population of Mexico is reduced. Their emigration to the U.S. is driven by out of control population growth. Until this is stopped, the problem cannot be solved permanently. A Mexican is born every 45 seconds and one emigrates to America every 30 seconds. A one child per family policy like China's must be immediately enforced in Mexico.

After the birth of her first child, every Mexican woman must be sterilized. Whatever force that is necessary must be used. We can provide a small army of doctors to help Mexico do the job. The cost of spaying a cat is $100. Surely $400 would be enough for a Mexican in mass production. Assuming 20 million Mexican women are of child bearing age, this would cost $8 billion. At one operation per hour, it will take 10,000 doctors one year to do the job. This is only a few percent of the total number of doctors in this country. Thereafter a trickle of sterilizations would maintain the one child per family policy. A million Mexican illegal aliens presently enter this country each year. Each costs society about $8,000 per year. In one year, we could save as much as the sterilization will cost.

Mexico has huge untapped oil reserves which their state oil monopoly Pemex has not properly exploited, see here. Since Mexico nationalized Pemex in 1938, it has been run inefficiently with rampant corruption. We import about three billion barrels of oil from Arab countries each year, see here. Those three billion barrels will make about 120 billion gallons of gasoline. This is 400 gallons for every person in this country, enough to drive 12,000 miles.

It would be far better to get all of this oil from Mexico rather than from Arab countries. If we didn't need their oil, we would have a handy excuse to keep Arabs out of our country. They wouldn't have money for terrorism if we didn't buy their oil. Our Middle East policy would be much more flexible as well. Getting the Mexican oil fields in shape would give Bush's beloved Haliburton something to do. Many jobs would be created for U.S. citizens in the Mexican oil fields. Pemex would be hiring and many Mexicans would get high paying oil field jobs.

Our southern neighbor has rich platinum, gold, and silver deposits. These riches must be exploited to provide jobs for their population. Tailings from old Spanish silver mines can be worked profitably with modern technology. Old mines can be reclaimed for agricultural land. Mexico has thousands of miles of beautiful sea coasts that can be developed for tourism. This will provide huge numbers of jobs as well.

Universal public education must be enforced in Mexico. This includes teaching Spanish to Mexican Indians. Mexicans must be educated to do high-tech work rather than just picking lettuce and trimming palm trees. We should train them as doctors, nurses, and engineers. If they are short on lawyers, we can send them a million of ours. At some point, we should be able to establish self government when they have become capable of it.

Once we get their economy humming, it is payback time. Reparations should be collected for the past costs of Mexican illegal immigration. This would include deportation expense, illegal alien crime, social services, education of Mexican children, and medical care. Most likely, this would amount to $600 billion or so. If each of 120 million Mexicans paid reparations of $1,000 per year, the total could be paid back in only five years.

Donald E. Pauly

The author is an electronic engineer with two patents and a commercial pilot with airplane and helicopter ratings. He is Executive Director of a new political party, the Emigration Party of Nevada.

Emigration Party of Nevada
http://www.sendemback.org
jose@sendemback.org
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Poor Mexico...

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 1:18 PM

So close to the United Staates, so far from God.

"Mexico is a land rich in resources. It has plenty of rich agricultural land, mineral deposits, warm seacoasts, and huge oil reserves. Instead of developing those resources to provide jobs, Mexico exports its jobless people to work here. Their government cares nothing about the welfare of their citizens."
As a client state under the close control of the international corporations, one would be assured that it could be noting else. Thank you NAFTA.
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reparations

by Meyer London Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 3:47 PM

The only reparations that should be paid are reparations for the brutal theft of California, Texas, Arizona, ane New Mexico and the thousands of people who were killed during that theft and during the invasion of Mexico itself, including the storming of Mexico City. Public apologies should also be offered at the United Nations for the deaths of thousands of Mexican soldiers and the cold-blooded murder of Mexican citizens and the rape of Mexican wome during this conquest. A statue or column commemorating the theft and the murdered and raped people should be set up in Washington, DC - and it should be the most prominent one there.
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Mexico's #1 enemy: socialism

by Mexico must be revamped Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 4:00 PM

"The only reparations that should be paid are reparations for the brutal theft of California, Texas, Arizona, ane New Mexico and the thousands of people who were killed during that theft and during the invasion of Mexico itself, including the storming of Mexico City. "

Why stop there? Why not beg Spain for some sympathy money while you're at it?

History's losers don't get to call the shots and have no right to demand anything.

Look around. Mexico is apparently asking for another serious beating, this time to crush the only weapon they have left: out-of-control breeding.

Mexico also serves as a picture-perfect example of how socialism is a total failure.

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History's losers don't get to call the shots.

by Meyer London Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 7:46 PM

Thank you, Mr. Hitler. You have confirmed those rumors that your father Adolf fathered a child while he was stationed in France during World War I.
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let me get this straight

by Meyer London Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 9:11 PM

Clinton signed a free trade agreement with Mexico's last president, who took office only because massive vote stealing deprived the leftist victor of the presidency. This led to an even more massive penetration of the Mexican economy by US capitalism than had previously existed. Then the right-winger Fox, whose father was from Cincinnati and whose mother was from Spain, won the next election by claiming to be some kind of populist savior of the Mexican people. Fox went on to privatize many nationalized enterprises, costing countless workers their jobs and dramatically lowering the wages of those who managed to hold on to jobs. A few Mexicans got rich by explointing their own people and cooperating with US corporations, but for much of the population conditians became worse, virtually forcing them to cross the border just to survive. And now Fox's government is trying to prevent the left wing mayor of Mexico City from running in the next presidential election because they know damned well that he will win if he runs. And all of this proves that - "socialism" is the enemy of Mexico! You got any more howlers like that? If Johnny Carson was still alive an on the air he would have a lot of fun with moronic statements of that sort.
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Meyer London 2fer

by "Hitler Jones" Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 1:54 AM

It's not every day that a socialist is irked enough to bring Hitler out of the closet in the first sentence.

For all of you still awake, yeah, guess what, I am right....History IS written by the winners, whether it was good or bad for the world that they won.

The commies rewrote Russian history when they came to power and the socialists here at IMC try to rewrite the success of capitalism every day.

Wake up, M. London. Mexico was a goddamned shithole WELL BEFORE the USA even EXISTED. If any country would do well to mimic the American way of life (without invading it) it's MEXICO.

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immigration = growth

by more rational Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 2:11 AM

The 1850s to today have been a high growth period because of an influx of people. Right now, we're in a pretty low period, and it's getting rough on some cities. You see cities in the midwest losing people, and wishing that they could get some *immigrants*.

No people = no economy.
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this pauly loser sucks

by more rational Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 2:17 AM

He's a frikken Hitler.

Have some damned respect for people's right to self determination, you damned imperialist control freak eugenicist nazi monster.
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GREETING FROM CALIFORNIA, THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION STATE

by ICE ADMIRER Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 3:43 PM

immigration = growth

illegal immigration = death of a nation

The 1850s to today have been a high growth period because of an influx of people. Right now, we're in a pretty low period, and it's getting rough on some cities. You see cities in the midwest losing people, and wishing that they could get some *immigrants*.

>>> Cities come and cities go. Because a dog has a bald patch on its skin is no reason to invite more fleas.


No people = no economy.


>>> It's just not a realistic arguement, sorry, especially for violtating the sovereignty and laws of the US and leeching off its welfare state.

Illegals take far more than they give, and they don't belong here, period.
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Freedom of speech doesn't increase intelligence

by ICE ADMIRER Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 3:49 PM

"He's a frikken Hitler."

To the orangutan anus that wrote this: (obviously not the poster 'more rational')

Freedom of speech has done a service for bnoth of us, but mostly it's demonstrated you're presently a goddamned moron with decades of learning ahead. Salud.


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so legalize them

by more rational Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 5:34 PM

If it's just their status that's a problem, let's alter their status. Increase the immigration quota from Mexico, so we can have more immigrants. They would become Americans.

I think that the business interests in Mexico and America like the current arrangement, because it creates a second class of workers who are super-exploitable, and who are pressured to return to Mexico.

Also, back to the original article -- Vincente Fox is the child of immigrants. His pop is American and his mom is Spanish. Funny huh.
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illegal aliens

by Meyer London Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 5:40 PM

Most of the Americans living in California (a part of Mexico) in the early 1840's were "illegal aliens." They showed their gratitude for being allowed to live there by helping the US Army and Navy to seize the province and make it into the US state of California. Most modern Mexican immigrants (documented or undocumented) would vote heavily against any proposal to make annex California to Mexico because the corruption and poverty there (for which American corporations are largely responsible) are exactly what they are trying to escape. In fact, many of them are patriotic to a fault, encouraging their sons and daughters to go off to Iraq and risk their lives for imperialism in the US armed forces.
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War with Mexico: inevitable

by Stanislaus Gondriguez Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 6:09 PM

If it's just their status that's a problem, let's alter their status. Increase the immigration quota from Mexico, so we can have more immigrants. They would become Americans.

++++ And reward criminality? Forget it. "Amnesty" is a solution akin to making an invading burglar "a member of the family" to eliminate the crime. This was tried in the 80s--by REAGAN, no less--and the results were disastrous. It's no secret the current regime in Washington as well as those before it are "enablers" of Mexican parasitical dependency. This issue is truly non-partisan, and rather related to our very survival as a nation.

++++ The modern left makes its living by fighting hard to keep any immigrant from assimilating to American culture, including speaking English. Whether you agree or not, the left is earning its bread playing off the animosity between the races, as well as sexes and classes.

I think that the business interests in Mexico and America like the current arrangement, because it creates a second class of workers who are super-exploitable, and who are pressured to return to Mexico.

++++ That is certainly a valid point, though as I understand it, the Mexican illegals are staying right here and sending their MONIES "home.." Our welfare state (which gots to go) is a double loser then, since it's not being replenished.

Also, back to the original article -- Vincente Fox is the child of immigrants. His pop is American and his mom is Spanish. Funny huh.

++++ His origins are of no consequence to what Fox is up to today. Whether Fox is a puppet of the narco-terrorists who really run the Mexican thug government, or he is a singular loudmouth (and an arrogant one at that) his open preaching for his people to invade the USA is an outrage and should be met with ceasing all American aid to Mexico immediately.

Most of the Americans living in California (a part of Mexico) in the early 1840's were "illegal aliens." They showed their gratitude for being allowed to live there by helping the US Army and Navy to seize the province and make it into the US state of California.

++++ It's futile to argue history, especially since it's just that: history. But to add to the discussion: in the 1840s, California/Mexico was a barren wasteland, adesert. There was no monstrous drain on the Mexican government for having settlers there, no matter where they came from.

++++ The stonger force usually ends up with the land and resources Mexico or even the American Indians, had they the technical prowess at the time, could have beaten back the U.S. military.

Most modern Mexican immigrants (documented or undocumented) would vote heavily against any proposal to make annex California to Mexico because the corruption and poverty there (for which American corporations are largely responsible) are exactly what they are trying to escape. In fact, many of them are patriotic to a fault, encouraging their sons and daughters to go off to Iraq and risk their lives for imperialism in the US armed forces.

++++ Mexico's #1 enemy is the socialism which they foolishly embraced. Perhaps if some American professors--who no doubt, are experts on the subject--went down to Mexico as 'advisors' maybe they could turn around 6 centuries of failure. Unlikely.

++++ The reality is, if this insane open borders policy continutes, war with Mexico is inevitable.

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clarifications and comments

by more rational Wednesday, Apr. 20, 2005 at 7:57 PM

I didn't argue for amnesty, but an increased quota. That's totally different.

WRT amnesty - it worked okay. I don't see how it was a disaster.

" The modern left makes its living by fighting hard to keep any immigrant from assimilating to American culture, including speaking English. Whether you agree or not, the left is earning its bread playing off the animosity between the races, as well as sexes and classes. "

This is counter to history. The left traditionally tried to keep immigrants out. When this failed, it tried to integrate immigrants into society.

Business interests are the ones who benefit the most from inter-ethnic racism. They encourage jealousy between ethnic groups, to prevent unions from forming. That's why one of the important aspects of organizing the UFW was the alliance between Filipinos and Mexican American workers.

"...as I understand it, the Mexican illegals are staying right here and sending their MONIES "home.." Our welfare state (which gots to go) is a double loser then, since it's not being replenished. "

Most of the money is spent here, to pay for living expenses. The money sent over is considerable, though, I'm not sure how some 10billion $$ in a deficit here really impacts the economy. It probably has some effect.

It's a good argument for liberalizing immigration.

Also, people do return to Mexico when they retire. (A lot of Americans retire there too. The dollar goes farther.)

"His origins are of no consequence to what Fox is up to today. Whether Fox is a puppet of the narco-terrorists who really run the Mexican thug government, or he is a singular loudmouth (and an arrogant one at that) his open preaching for his people to invade the USA is an outrage and should be met with ceasing all American aid to Mexico immediately."

Fox's main alliance is to neoliberalism and neoliberal globalization. He was an executive for Coca-Cola. His predecessors were educated in American universities.

"Mexico's #1 enemy is the socialism which they foolishly embraced. Perhaps if some American professors--who no doubt, are experts on the subject--went down to Mexico as 'advisors' maybe they could turn around 6 centuries of failure. Unlikely. "

Well, you are a proponent of the Washington Consensus. There are probably dozens of American advisors down in Mexico City, and dozens of Mexican bigshots circulating in DC at any moment.

Fox, Salinas, Zedillo (? I forget). All neolibs seeking very close ties with America and the economy here. They're undoing all the social entitlements people demanded, and are privatizing.
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