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"The
attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four
flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air
traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets
scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air
Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are
jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe
identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no
response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft
is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly
an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a
nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could
that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the
investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy
assassination?" |
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De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?
Gul: Mossad
and its accomplices. The U.S. spends billion a year on
its 11 intelligence agencies. That's 0 billion in 10 years. Yet the
Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it.
Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade
Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of
disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset
and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent
people from thinking for themselves.
Q: So you're already convinced bin Laden
didn't do it?
A: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've
been with them here, in Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates
of the best universities and are highly intelligent with impressive
degrees and speak impeccable English. These are people who have
rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the Gulf
countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by the way
they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their whims,
jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the
Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best
recruits come from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where
millions of poor people are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a
Christian convent school in Murree, 60 miles from here, where my
13-year-old daughter is studying. The young girls there have told me
Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with Mujahideen freedom
fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values.
Q: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind
Sept. 11?
A: From a cave inside a mountain or a
peasant's hovel? Let's be serious. Osama inspires countless millions by
standing up for Islam against American and Israeli imperialism. He
doesn't have the means for such a sophisticated operation.
Q: Why Mossad?
A: Mossad and its American associates are the
obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime? The attacks against
the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from
their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm.
And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small
scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars
are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification --
challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are
instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further
questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and
rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear
situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the
investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?
Q: At this point, someone might be asking what
you've been smoking. What is Israel's interest in such a monstrous plot,
which, of course, no one believes except Islamist extremists who
concocted this piece of disinformation in the first place, presumably to
detract from the real culprits?
A: Jews never agreed to Bush 41 (George H.W.
Bush, the 41st president) or 43 (his son George W. Bush, the 43rd
president). They made sure Bush senior didn't get a second term. His
land-for-peace pressure in Palestine didn't suit Israel. They were
also against the young Bush because he was considered too close to oil
interests and the Gulf countries. Bush senior and Jim Baker had raised
0 million for Bush junior, much of it from Mideast sources or their
American go-betweens. Bush 41 and Baker, as private citizens, had
also facilitated the new strategic relationship between Saudi Arabia and
Iran. I have this from sources in both countries. So clearly the
prospect of a Bush 43 was a
potential danger to Israel.
Jews were stunned by the way Bush stole the
election in Florida. They had put big money on Al Gore. Israel has given
its imperialist guardian parent opportunities to turn disaster into a
pretext for imposing an all-encompassing military, political and
economic agenda to further the cause of global capitalism. While
Colin Powell is cautious and others are reckless and want to make up for
their failure to defeat Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War 10 years ago, the
global agenda is the same.
Israel
knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by
demographics. It is a state that was born in terrorism that terrorized
Palestinians into the exile of refugee camps, where they have now
subsisted in squalid refugee camps, and is now very much afraid of
Pakistan's nuclear capability.
Israel has now handed the Bush family the opportunity
it has been waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the
Gulf and acquire control of the Caspian basin by extending its military
presence in Central Asia. Bush conveniently overlooks -- or is not told
-- the fact that Islamic fundamentalists got their big boost in the
modern age as CIA assets in the covert campaign I was also involved with
to force the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Bush senior was vice
president during that entire campaign. And no sooner did he become
president on Jan. 20, 1989, than he summoned an inter-agency
intelligence meeting and issued an order, among several others, to clip
the wings of ISI (Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence) that had been
coordinating the entire operation in Afghanistan. I know this firsthand
as I was DGISI at the time (director general, ISI).
Q: So how do you read U.S. strategy in
Pakistan?
A: The destabilization of Pakistan is part
of the U.S. plan because it is a Muslim nuclear state. The U.S.
wants to isolate Pakistan from China as part of its containment policy.
President Nixon's book "The Real War" said China would be the
superpower of the 21st Century. The U.S. is also creating hostility
between Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Muslim states to reverse the
perception that the Islamic world now has its own nuclear weapons. Bush
43 doesn't realize he is being manipulated by people who understand
geopolitics. He is not leading but being led. All he can do is think
in terms of the wanted-dead-or-alive culture, which is how Hollywood
conditions the masses to think and act.
All summer long we heard about America's shrinking
surplus and that the Pentagon would not have sufficient funds to
modernize for the 21st century. And now, all of a sudden, the
Pentagon can get what it wants without any Democratic Party opposition. How
very convenient! Even your
cherished civil liberties can now be abridged with impunity to protect
the expansion of the hegemony of transnational capitalism.
There is now a new excuse to crush anti-globalization protests.
Bush 43 follows Bush 41. Iraq was baited into the
Kuwaiti trap when the U.S. told Saddam it was not interested in his
inter-Arab squabbles. Two days later, he moved into Kuwait, which
was an Iraqi province anyway before the British Empire decreed
otherwise. Roosevelt baited the Pearl Harbor trap for the Japanese
empire, which provided the pretext for entering World War II.
And now
the Israelis have given the U.S. the pretext for further expansion into
an area that will be critical in the next 25 years - the Caspian basin.
Q: Were you a fundamentalist in the days of
the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan when you worked closely with
the CIA?
A: Not as much as I am today.
Q: What turned you against America?
A: Betrayals and broken promises and what was
done to my army career.
Q: And what was that?
A: President Ishaq Khan, who succeeded Zia
ul-Haq after his plane was blown out of the sky, wanted to appoint me
chief of staff, the highest position in the Pakistani army. The U.S.,
which by then had clipped ISI's wings, also blocked my promotion by
informing the president I was unacceptable. So I was moved to a corps
commander position. As ISI
director, I held the whole Mujahideen movement in the palm of my hands.
We were all pro-American. But then America left us in the lurch and
everything went to pieces, including Afghanistan.
The U.S. pushed for a broad-based Afghan government
of seven factions and then waved goodbye. Even in the best of
democracies, a broad-based coalition does not work. So we quickly had
seven jokers in Kabul interested in only one thing - jockeying for
power. The gunplay quickly followed, which led to the creation of
Taliban, the students of the original Mujahideen, who decided to put an
end to it.
Q: What happened to the 1,000 shoulder-fired
Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that were supplied by president Reagan in
1986 and 87 to the Mujahideen, and that literally grounded the Soviet
air force?
A: After the Soviets pulled out, the CIA
allocated million to try to buy them back. This just drove the black
market price up for one Stinger from 0,000 to 0,000. The Taliban
still have about 250 of them for the kind of situation they face today
against U.S. aircraft.
Q: Is the U.S. now your enemy?
A: Is the U.S. national interest in
contradiction with the Muslim world? The U.S. needs oil, as do its
European allies. You have between 6 and 8 million American Muslims and
their ranks are growing. About the same number in Europe. Israel aside,
we are America's natural allies. Prof. Sam Huntington in his "Clash
of Civilizations" puts Confucius and Judeo-Christians in one
corner, and us in the other. His prescription is wrong but is being
adopted by Bush 43 who has
now put 60 countries on his hit list. This is the diabolical school that
wants to launch an anti-Muslim "crusade." Muslims understood
what Bush meant when he used that word.
We need a meeting, not a clash, of civilizations. We
are on the brink of disaster. It is time to pull back from the brink and
reassess before we blow ourselves up. The purpose of Islam is service to
humanity. The time for like-minded people to have a meeting of the minds
is now.
Q: But you are against democracy, so how can
there be a meeting of the minds?
A: Democracy
does not work. Politicians are constantly thinking of their next
election, not the public good, which means, at best, constantly shading
the truth to hide it from their constituents. Their
pronouncements are laced with lies and the voters are lulled or gulled
into believing utter nonsense. The Koran says call a spade a
spade. It is the supreme law and tells right from wrong. There is no
notion of "my country right or wrong" under divine law. The
creator's will predominates. All if subservient to Allah's will and
adherence to a set of basic, fundamental values.
Q: So what kind of a system are you
advocating?
A: The world needs a post-modern state system.
Right now, the nation-state and round the clock satellite TV lead people
to imitate America's way of life. Which is mathematically impossible. You
have 4 percent of the world's population consuming 32 percent of the
world's resources. The creator through Prophet Mohammed said
equal distribution. Capitalism is the negation of the creator's will. It
leads to imperialism and unilateralism.
Q: So what does this post-modern state system
look like?
A: A global village under divine order, or we
will have global bloodshed until good triumphs over evil. Islam
encapsulates all the principal religions and what was handed down 1,400
years ago was the normal evolutionary sequel to Judaism and
Christianity. The prophet's last sermon was a universal document of
human rights for everyone that surpasses everything that came since,
including America's declaration of independence and the U.N. Charter of
universal rights. If you superimpose true secular values on true Islamic
values, there is no difference. So surely divine law should supersede
man-made law. Islam is egalitarian, tolerant and progressive. It is the
wave of the future.
Q: Marxism also believed that the nation-state
would eventually wither away.
A: Socialism jumped the rails when it was
co-opted by the imperialist Soviet state. Islam believes in dynamism,
Christianity stands for static statism. The pope in all his
pronouncements has expressed a dogmatic attachment to the status quo.
Why are so many black Americans converting to Islam? Because they are
looking for true equality which they cannot find under capitalism. Allah
has no gender, neither male nor female. Islam has no indirect taxation
in an interest-free economy. Usury
was a Jewish concept.
Q: Is Iran your model?
A: There isn't a single true Islamic state in
the world today. Iran has moved forward from its 1979 revolution, but I
am not sure whether it's the right direction.
Q: And Taliban?
A: They represent Islam in its purest form so
far. It's a clean sheet. And they were also moving in the right
direction when this crisis was cooked up by the U.S. Until Sept. 11,
they had perfect law and order with no formal police force, only traffic
cops without sidearms. Now, in less than two weeks, they have mobilized
some 300,000 volunteers to fight American and British invaders if they
come.
Q: And your reaction to U.S. demands on
Pakistan?
A: If Pakistan gives the U.S. base rights we
will have a national upheaval. And if the U.S. attacks Afghanistan,
there will be a call -- a fatwa -- for a general jihad. All borders will
then disappear and it will be a no-holds-barred Islamic uprising against
Israel and American imperialism. Pakistan will be engulfed in the
firestorm. So I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail in
Washington.
Q: What about the other U.S. demands?
A: Overflight rights are meaningless since the
U.S. violates air space daily all over the world. As for intelligence
sharing with ISI, you can't even catch your own terrorists. And what ISI
gives you will be of marginal value anyway.
Q: President (Pervez) Musharraf has made
strong statements supporting the U.S.
A: He was my student in the army. He is a good
man, but he doesn't understand Islam. The army will never fight the
masses. If push comes to shove, Musharraf will say no to the Americans
rather than turn against the people. He is not just facing a handful
of angry people. By his own admission, it's 10 percent to 15 percent of
the population, or at least 10 million people willing to fight. For
openers, they would close the port of Karachi. A country cannot breathe
without lungs.
Q: Back to Osama's terrorist network. Who was
behind the bombing of the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?
A: Mossad is strong in both countries.
Remember the Israeli operation to free hostages in Entebbe (Uganda)?
Both Kenya and Tanzania were part of the logistical tail. A so-called
associate of Osama was framed at Karachi airport. The incidents took
place on Aug. 8, 1999, and on the 10th a short, clean-shaven man
disembarks at Karachi airport and presents the passport of a bearded
man. Not your passport, he was told. He then tries to bribe the clerk
with 200 rupees. A ludicrously small sum given the circumstances. The
clerk says no and turns him in and he starts singing right away. Not
plausible. Osama has sworn to me on the Koran it was not him and he is
truthful to a fault. Pious Muslims do not kill innocent civilians who
included many Muslim victims. The passport must have been switched
while the man was asleep on the plane in what has all the earmarks of a
Mossad operation. For 10 years, the Mujahideen fought the Soviets in
Afghanistan and not a single Soviet embassy was touched anywhere in the
world. So this could not have been Osama's followers.
Q: What if bin Laden has been lying to you and
is guilty. Is that inconceivable?
A: If Taliban are
given irrefutable evidence of his guilt, I am in favor of a fair trial.
In America, one is entitled to a jury of peers. But he has no American
peers. The Taliban would not object, in the event of a prima face case,
to an international Islamic court meeting in The Hague. They
would turn extradite Osama to the Netherlands. |