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Tuesday, Sep. 04, 2001 at 8:00 AM
ARA (anti-racist action) organized another protest outside "The Shack" for hosting a neo-nazi benifit concert.
Despite the late-notice, the anti-nazi demonstration had a good turnout. About 30-40 people showed up in total. Everyone from anarchists to communists, socialists, and libertarians came to protest the neo-nazi show at The Shack. As the neo-nazi's began to show up, usually in groups of 4, they greeted protesters with middle fingers and racist slurs and statements such as, "you're next in the oven". Protesters chanted back, "No nazis! No kkk! No fascist USA!". There were no incidents of violence, however two neo-nazi's in a red pick-up truck tried to run over 5 demonstrators by driving up onto the sidewalk. A demonstrator, Paul was hit in the knee and got a bruise but is okay. Police monitoring event ignored the incident. The police presence at the demonstration was heavier than the last. There were about 8 cop cars, plus a black car that was profiling BlackBloc anarchists, which also followed them as they walked to the corner with a comrade who needed to use a phone. About 3 other cops also had cameras and where taking pictures of demonstrators. About 50 neo-nazi's had showed up for the show.
The Shack has also been previously used for neo-nazi shows. The owner repeatedly lied about this. The Shack is being utilized for neo-nazi operations as a recruiting ground to spread hate violence throughout our communities. What's going on inside of The Shack is much more than "just a show", but something we should all take seriously, confront, and oppose.
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by Rampage
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 12:49 AM
Keep the fuckers outta our cities! Keep fighting the good fight comrades!
-Rampage
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by suzie
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 8:53 PM
Recruiting ground? how the hell would you know what go's on in there? Or are you just making shit up? All that go's on in there is Good music and good fun. Get a grip.
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by Anti-Fascist
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 12:10 AM
Well, Seig Hiel Suzie, if you consider music that features lyrics that promote violence and hatred "good", then that should qualify YOU as a nazi!
NO NAZIS!! NO KKK!! NO FASCIST USA!!!
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by x
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 12:34 AM
Suzie, MUSIC?! MUSIC?!?! This isn't music. This isn't a form of art. Art was never created to advocate genocide nor to distribute hatred. This is not music, this is not art. This is fucking trash. This isn't self-expression, this is fucking brainwash. Myself being a musician, I am personally offended by this. How could anyone call this music. It's a fucking pollution to art... And secondly, where do you think heavy-metal, punk, rock came from? Even drums? It originated all from the african culture. The roots of jazz, to rock and hip-hop, and what not, all came from the mother land. AFRICA... So I wonder why these neo-nazi's even choose to utilize this form of art as a way spit their hatred. Looks like a contridiction.
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by Revolutionary88
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 5:05 AM
So hey you pussies, its ok for you to use "violence" against us, but its not ok for us to even have a non-violent show...which is not harming anyone??? Its ok for you to have your rap-crap and hip-hop shit litter our schoolyards and streets, but its not ok for us to listen to our OWN creative style of music? Exactly who the fuck do you think you are!!! Well maybe someday we will meet on the streets, when you aren't surrounded by 10 cops cars and 30 or 40 of your pathetic Novack-followers to back you up. What will you have to say about "violence" then? I guess violence is the answer ONLY when it suits you! But who really gives a shit what happens to the sniveling, mud-mixing, traitorous PUSSIES that can only hold up anti-nazi signs...every dog has his day. Remember that.
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by Extreme Hatred!
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 1:57 PM
Mr "X", you need to lay off the crack pipe. Slow down and pick up a history book. The druids were beating drums long before the chuckers in africa were.
The only reason you idiots believe all this crap about africa is because it is force fed to you wherever you go in society. The popular voice is pro nig!
So go on keep listening to your "ART" (tee hee) and we will listen to our "polution"
And just to set the record straight (since you did state you were a musician), Skinheads and Skinhead music has been around since the mid to late 60's, way before Punk was even around! I figured you would know that, since you did state you were a musician!
Geez, now we have to do the thinking for you people too????
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by Wizard
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 2:39 PM
I watched and listed to the pitiful antics and derogatory remarks demonstrated by the borage of protesters. It's hard to take belligerent goons yelping into a bull horn serious, but people do. After a few hours the protesters got up and left (shortly after the police did). I am still not sure what it they were protesting us, the shack, the bands? the idea that brought us there? I read one reply that seemed to target the blame at the shack for making a profit of us. The real joke is that the main protester Irv Rubin makes more money off us than the shack ever will. I know for the people standing on the outside looking in it's hard to see the truth. So for the record I'd like to say that I Love my People. A beautiful race that has accomplished so much it's hard to even fathom.
So on that note.
Good day and good luck to all you truth seekers out there.
-Wizard
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by Johnny
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 4:51 PM
johnny_rebel1488@hotmail.com
I can find hundreds of other songs out there as well that would be this sick maybe this music meets to your approval. If even this sick crap is accepted then our great music about our people should be as well. This is America land of the free and no laws have been broken by listening to questionable music others find offensive. I just found this on this very website from another post. It really offends me and I know a lot of other good moral people who would be to. Get a life you commie scum!!!
Johnny Rebel
KKK BITCH
Aw yeah, what's up out there? BC's in the house. Right
about now, I wanna tell you a little love story, you know
what I'm sayin', this is a Body Count love story check out
the lyrics, you know, I'm a tell you 'bout what happened
when we went down South last year on tour.
Out on tour yo, I been all around the world
went to Georgia, met this fine-assed white girl,
blonde hair, blue eyes, big tits and thighs,
the kinda girl that would knock out most guys.
She got wild in the backstage bathroom,
sucked my dick like a muthafuckin' vacuum,
said "I love you, but my daddy don't play,
he's the fuckin' grand wizard of the KKK."
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.
You know what I'm sayin'. So we was down South fallin' in
love, you know, D-Roc had this Nazi girl, my man
Mooseman had a skinhead, I fell in love with Tipper Gore's
two twelve year old nieces. It was wild, you know what I'm
sayin', it got even worse, you know.
So one night they took us to a meetin'
white sheets, white hoods, no room for seatin'
there was Skinheads, Nazi's and crazies,
talkin' 'bout black people pushin' up daisies.
They hated Blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans,
Mexicans, Chinese, even the Indians.
We had our hoods on,
we were slick
she pushed her butt up hard against my dick.
Then her daddy jumped on the stage
talkin' 'bout killin' in a goddamn rage.
I got mad, my dick got hard
entered in her ass
she said, "Oh my God!"
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.
So what we really tryin' to say is Body Count loves
everybody. We love Mexican girls, Black girls, Oriental girls,
it really don't matter. If you from Mars, and you got a pussy,
we will fuck you. You know, that's all we're sayin', word.
So every year when Body Count comes around
we throw an orgy in every little Southern town.
KKK's, Skinheads, and Nazi
girls break their necks
to get to the party.
It ain't like their men can't nut,
their dick's too little
and they just can't fuck.
So we get buck wild with the white freaks
we show them how to really work the white sheets.
I know her daddy'll really be after me,
when his grandson's named little Ice-T.
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.
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by KILL NAZIS
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 6:27 PM
Violence?! VIOLENCE?!?! you neo nazi's were the only ones at the protest who were trying to have physical confrentations. Two of your neo-nazi bigot assfucks in a red pick-up truck tried to run over 5 demonstrators when they drove up onto the sidewalk. Did we do this? Nope. You did. Then they had the fucking nerve to drive off. They didn't even get out of the fucking car. Then you had to hide behind closed doors. So look who's talking PUSSY. Next time, have a bit more balls, i'm really sick and tired of this, "hit and run" bullshit. It show's you guy's are a bunch of pussies. Your the fuckers who bring violent hatred into our communities. You adovcate a system responible for genocide. You still jump people in our communities, drag people behind trucks..etc. Your nothing about peace, and you never were. So get your neo-nazi shit our communities, otherwise we'll kick it the fuck out ourselves.
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by suzie
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 1:04 AM
I'm so glad that you hail me,anti-fascist. Yes I am a racist, can't put anything past you. Your too quick.
Tell me X what do you consider "art"? Do you consider Negro's up on stage, yelling things like kill whitey, and I smacked my ho cause she wouldn't suck my dick, "art"? And please tell me, the horns that the nordic blew, did they come from Africa? Who are we brain washing? The only people at these shows are people already involved in the movement, and people that CHOOSE to be there, nobody is "brain washing" anybody. The only brain washing going on, is your lies about us.Don't try to shove your BS down my throat.
Kill Nazis, if the people in the truck who tried to run you over didn't come back, why do you assume it was a racialist?
Ice-T, very classy, your words certainly conferm the steriotypes about your race. Another thing that conferms the steriotypes would be my sister going to a Desity's Child concert and a negro trying to be sneaky and steal her purse from her while she was watching the show. Luckly she turned around and looked just as his hand was on her purse. Unfortunately she didn't feel comfortable for the rest of the night, because she had to hold on to her purse, and she even kept a hand on her purse as she was leaving to the car. So, a once loving person, who never even thought once about discriminating against another person, someone who used to argue with me for hours on end about racism, has now lost all faith in your race, due to the actions of one NIGGER.
Tell me why Rap "music" that has more racism and violence and obscenities in it, can be sold out in the open to ANYONE, even YOUR 10 year old child. BUT our music has to be sold underground. Because we say White Power and nigger. Our music is alot more respectable then rap.
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by outlaw
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 3:16 AM
dps1018
Hey Suzie, your sister sounds kind of ignorant. Just cuz her purse was almost stolen by a black guy she now thinks that all black people are thieves??!! So if the guy happened to be white and not black, would she start hating and being ashamed of her own race? I think not. I was jumped by a group of black kids my age for no reason other than for being the wrong color on the wrong block. But you know what, i bet at the same time there was a black or mexican kid getting his ass kicked in a white neighborhood too. So stop hating people just cuz the few that you have run into haven't been your cup of tea. Some of the coolest most down to earth people i've ever met happened to be african american or hispanic and i bet if you just opened your mind a bit and pushed aside the prejudices you could meet people like that too.
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by suzie
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 5:48 AM
My sister is ignorant because the fuck tried to STEAL FROM HER! Pull your head out of your fucking ass you dumb shit. Your the fucking ignorant one, you let a few negro's beat your ass and then you went crawling back to them on your hands and knees, probably saying it was all YOUR fault they beat you up, right? Don't give me your shit. You think she doesnt know that there are scum bag white people in the world, Like you, going around disgracing your ancestors and all that they worked for? Do you really think that your black friends would keep your ass around if THEY took over this country? Maybe as a bitch boy. They want the same exact thing that we do. To be seperate, to not have to live around us. Take the Nation Of Islam for example. They want that for their people, they want to HELP US in doing it! Any smart Black person would! Team up with whitey and help them fight, in the end split the country and everyone is happy. No more having to deal with eachother, right? Don't hear about that on the news, do you?
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by suzie
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 5:54 AM
Out of that whole thing that I typed, the only thing you had a problem with was my sister almost getting her purse stolen? Why because she doesnt like negros now either? Does it concern you that more and more people are seeing the light every day? Sounds like it to me.
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by Ya Basta
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 7:11 AM
You said "keep those fuckers out of our cities" but i have not seen you or any of the SKAA kids at any of these protests.nice talk and no action.
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by con
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 4:03 PM
when all is said and done, i think we can all agree (us humans anyway) that racists(black or white) and neo nazis, and other such fundamentalists, will never say anything remotely intelligent in their lives unless they realize that we are in fact pretty much the same. we all work in the same ways and we are all capable of intelligent thought(even racists, if they would pull their heads out of their asses). its always, "live seperately", "kill faggots", and all this stupid horseshit that starts wars and makes us all foolishly proud of our races and nationalities and even our genders. and when youre proud and dumb, thats how you get violent asshole jocko types like skinheads and other such tough guys who degrade women and think that they are the best cos of they think theyre jesus and are entitled to everything(not that jesus is, he was a man like everyone else). but the point i am trying to make is that anything that further divides people along lines of religion, race and ethnicity(and any other petty differences that don't really matter in the end) cannot and will never be an intelligent pursuit. and while yes, i am trying to sound smart, i must say that if you feel a certain way about a whole peoples and your feelings are of hate and destruction of people who you never even care to build relationships with and base their identitys solely on their looks, you must and have to question those feelings if you feel you are an intelligent person. intelligent people are not closed to build relationships with any certain people. intelligent people don't care throw petty differences aside and question everything. and finally if you are a skinhead or islamic fundamentalist or gay basher or just an asshole i add this final note for you: suck it!
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by suzie
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 6:22 PM
"thats how you get violent asshole jocko types like skinheads and other such tough guys who degrade women"
Where do you get your info? as long as Ive be around I have NEVER been degrated by a skinhead or any other racialist man, on the contrary I've always been highly respected by our men. So you can shut up now. Oh and your suck it comment, very intelligent.
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by Mary
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 5:55 PM
suzie, you say that your sister hates black people because one guy tried to steal her purse.
I'm white, and a while back, three white guys attacked me at my car and tried to rape me, and stole my wallet. Does that mean I'm finally waking up and getting the message and should hate all white people now because that's what they do -- rape and steal? Hmm, your posting sure did make a great argument for hating white people!
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by suzie
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 12:00 AM
Whatever you want to think, I think you know what I was saying, but if you want to make a big thing about it, go right ahead. It doesnt change the fact that, she has no trust for Negro's now.
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by Anarchist Freethink Movement
Monday, Sep. 10, 2001 at 1:02 AM
Freedom@AnarchistFreethink.org PO BOX 12423 San Diego, CA 92112-3423
Comrades! What is going on here? I disagree with Neo-Nazism just as much as the next rational, sane person, but I DO NOT uphold CENSORSHIP in any form- especially censorship of radical ideas, so long as the rights of others are not being hindered.
As far as I've inquired about this concert, there was no violence against people of colour. There was no violence at all. And even if there was, how many times has this occured at non-racist shows? In my experiences, far too many times.
Everyone has a right to entertainment, music, art, etc. So long as no one is being physically inflicted in the process. No one was touched, and the Neo-Nazis speech is just as valid as the protesters' outside. Free Speech is not a selective entity which "chooses" what is okeh, and what is not. Let's leave that sort of favouritism to the Christians and other advocates of censorship.
How would the protesters feel if the Neo-Nazis came to one of their show protesting liberalism. Or if Capitalist bankers came to an Anti-WTO benefit to protest, or if anti-Abortionists came to a Femenist benefit, or if meat-eaters came to protest a Vegan Outreach benefit show, etc.? Is Free Speech not theirs to excersise as well? Or is it something reserved for the "chosen few" who claim to be Anarchists and advocates of their own, perverted sense of freedom. Freedom should not be limited limited, so long as others' freedoms aren't limited in the process. There is no "right" in the US constitution, least not an Anarchist society which would PROHIBIT free speech. (Or at least I hope that wouldn't happen in Anarchist societies, since it would mean a means of enforcement- ie: government- would have to ensue.)
Some of you are confused in your own hypocrisies...
In response to the preceeding comment: "if you consider music that features lyrics that promote violence and hatred "good", then that should qualify YOU as a nazi!"
All I can say is this: Punk Rock! I AM NOT A NAZI for upholding freedom of speech. In fact, one can say that the protesters' are comparable to "Nazis" for condemning speech--- something Hitler and Franco would often do in the heydays of Fascism.
A lot of music is hateful and violent-- that doesn't make it "bad", necessarily. What the hell do you think the lyrics in punk-flavoured songs mean, like "fuck the government" or "kill the pigs"? What about the violence advocated against corporations, politians, and racists? ("Smash a Nazi", for example) These lyrics are advocating A) violence, and B) hatred. Music is music, and it is an art form, so long as it is expression. Just because we don't favour one style over another, doesn't mean it isn't valid. You cannot be selective and say "oh, that's different"-- in principle, it is NOT DIFFERENT, insofar as FREEDOM of SPEECH. Or is Free Speech no longer an Anarchist ideal? I forgot that as Anarchists we should censor everything we don't agree with. It's remniscent of the Christians who are racists themselves, spouting homophobic rhetoric, etc. But they are rendered safe via Free Speech, as should the Neo-Nazis, even though I don't agree with the former nor the latter of the two.
Don't get me wrong and dismiss me as a confused, close-minded Anarchist, if I am fortunate enough to align myself with Anarchists altogether. Nay! But the opposite is true. I am open-minded enough to allow the closet-Nazis out one night to have an allegedly good time, so long as they aren't taking rights away from me and those who they claim to hate.
We all have our professed or underlying "hatreds" towards government, Capitalism, politicians, Republicans, Christian zealots, police, etc. This is not necessarily a bad thing, least not something that should be condemned.
Hatred, as a form of expression and emotion, should not be "illegal" or censored. It is a thought. And as unjust as Amerika is, I am afraid that there are still no such things as "Thought Crimes", as Orwellian as it may seem. Am I to believe that Anarchists, for example, DO WANT "Thought Crimes" to exist and laws to be enforced against them? Hopefully not. That is not freedom, unless your version of "freedom" is one comprised of a society of sheep; automatons whose only goal is to suspend judgement.
FUCK NAZIS! Don't let them piss you off or dismantle our struggle, but definitely don't dismantle FREE SPEECH in the process. Use your free speech to educate others. But don't condemn the tool that you can use to educate by allowing emotions to overcome rational thinking.
I support the protesters' right to FREE SPEECH, just as I support the damned pseudo-Nazis right to FREE SPEECH via their pathetic concert. Get over it. Disbanding them from their concert is not going to hault racism. In fact, your intolerance might turn more people to racist endeavours. Especially if they see the hypocrisy in condemning some peoples' (as bigoted and horrible as they are) right to FREE SPEECH in the name of "freedom", while simultaneously supporting others'.
Censorship, dear comrades, is not "Anarchism" in any sense of the word. The taking of freedoms is not "Anarchistic", in my biased opinion. Unless, of course, you align Anarchism with Amerikan censorship, and totalitarian methodologies that dismantle Free Speech in the name of "tolerance". How very intolerable.
Think about it, if you can comprehend the preceeding passage.
Take Care comrades.
For freedom, and reason
The ANARCHIST FREETHINK MOVEMENT
Email me for more information on Free Speech, Anarchism, and other jazz. Peace.
www.AnarchistFreethink.org
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by Anarchist Freethink Movement
Monday, Sep. 10, 2001 at 1:51 AM
SkinheadReggae@AnarchistFreethink.org PO BOX 12423 San Diego, CA 92112-3423 U$A, Inc.
Another thing I want to educate those of you ignorant fools who profess Skinheads as synonomous with racists...
(This is a quick overview. For an extensive history, or more questions/comments, info, etc. Email me.)
Skinheads, as a subculture, began in Jamaica and derived from the Anarchist-flavoured "Rude Boys" of late 50's/ early 60's Jamaican culture. These "Rude Boys" were short-haired agitators of the cultural norms, and often denounced by their conservative Statesmen, and their enemies the police (or "Red Stripe" as they called them). Many independent sociologists have linked "punk" culture and behavour to the early behaviour of the Jamaican rudies.
The Skinhead culture-- accompanied by its anti-authority, anti-Status Quo demeanour-- travelled to the UK in the mid-60's via Jamaican "Ska" music (the predecessor of Reggae).
Ska music was disseminated into the British working-class youth culture, known as the "Mods". It was at this pointe (circa 1967) that the term "Skinhead" came to be used in reference to the cropped-haired, smartly dressed, boot-adourning youths of all races and colours. (Short hair was aquired by the working-class Mods as a form of self-defence, as well as an anti-Status Quo hairstyle of the time; a response of non-conformity and 'rebellion')
The Skinhead culture was so prevalent, and included so many working-class races, that Reggae adopted its favour through such Skinhead-Reggae classics as "Skinhead Moonstomp"(written by an all-Black band named "Symarip" in 1969), "Skinhead Speaks his Mind" (by Joe's Reggae All Stars, another Black performer in 1968), and other countless classics that can be found on the v/a Reggae compilation entitled "Skinhead Revolt" on Trojan Records.
(For more extensive information on Skinhead Reggae from 1967-1971, cheque out the book "Boss Sounds" from ST Publishing, UK)
Skinheadism was predominantly comprised of whites during its early inception merely due to the fact that whites made up a majority of the population in England. This did not effect the love for Ska and Reggae music, and the later embraced Northern Soul, which was made famous via the working-class town of Wigan, England. (see: Wigan Casino)
Up until 1971, Skinheadism was a steady youth culture, and then it began to die-out as Reggae music turned more and more Rastafarian/religious, and slowed to the pointe of non-dancability.
Then came the punk movement of 1976 (Or the underground "pub-rock" Skinhead movement from 1974 and onwards due in part by "Cock Sparrer").
Skinheadism made a comeback via "Oi!" (street punk) music, based entirely on the politics of the working-class, etc.
...then came the National Front (a Right-Wing, Nationalist movement in England)...
The National Front, along with its policies of racism and conservatism, tarnished the Skinhead culture by way of its exploitatin of the forementioned group of working-class youths. In their vulnerability, the National Front played on the emotions of the white youths who claimed to be "Skinheads" without a thorough understanding of its history.
Racism and "anti-Red" rhetoric pushed the great majority of Skinheads to the Right, thereby inciting violence and racist acts of aggression towards the scapegoated minorities, who were the "cause of under-employment, poor labour unions, and poor economy" as one Nazi-sympathiser suggested.
Of course there were the non-racist skinheads who aligned themselves with the traditional ideals of the Skinhead culture (see: "Spirit of '69" by George Marshall). The non-racist skinheads favoured the earlier Skinhead Reggae and Ska music of the 60's, but also embraced the newfound "Oi!" and punk music of the 70's through bands such as: Sham 69, Cock Sparrer, the 4 Skins, Cockney Rejects, Blitz, the Oppressed, etc. Most all "Oi!" bands were not racist, even though the traditional skinheads were overshadowed by the new, racist "pseudo-Skinheads", courteousy of our friend: Corporate Media.
The media only focused on what would sell: hatred, violence, and racism. So of course, the racist "skinheads" (really known as "boneheads" in the traditional skinhead culture) were shown on every news programme, in the newspapers, etc. and that was the prevalent, corporate conception of "Skinheads" that ended up making it over seas and into the United $tates.
In response to the assualt on Skinheads by corporate media and its racist counterparts, the S.H.A.R.P. movement began in the early 1980's (SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice). And as "Oi!" continued to grow less and less racist, the White Supremecists bands moved to the "Hate rock" category and eventually abandoned the whole "Oi!"/punk culture. Where they remain to this day. (See: White Noise Records, Resistance Records, Skrewdriver, etc.)
It's peculiar how powerful propaganda and media misconception is. Don't fall for it! Even infamous racist, hate-rock band "Skrewdriver" started off as a non-racist Who cover band.
To this day, the corporate media, and misled masses continue to equate skinheadism to racism, which is overtly false! Racists who claim to be "skinheads" are just ignorant "boneheads", "Hammerskins", etc.
They ARE NOT Skinheads, and Skinheads are not racists.
..anyway, I am short on time, so I have to cut this short... Email me for more information. And think before you condemn.
Take Care comrades.
Viva las Anarquistas!
-The Anarchist Freethink Movement
(featuring two Anarcho-Syndicalist Skinheads)
www.AnarchistFreethink.org
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