Make no mistake, this is a major setback for the US. If the UK pulls out, Howard will be unable to keep Australia in the war. Spain will likely bail as well, rather than risk a popular uprising. The illusion of a coalition will be broken. It's just the US invading Iraq, plain and simple.

In short, the peace demonstrations are WORKING. Blair and the MPs looked out their windows at a million people opposed to the war, and knew fear. This weekend, there is another chance to show the war-mongers that nobody will show up for their war. We The People quit. We refuse to be part of it. We refuse to be lied to. We refuse to be deceived. We refuse to be afraid, least of all of our own government. We refuse to pay for the bombs. We refuse to surrender our children. We refuse to kill who we are told, hate who we are told, steal from whom we are told.

This Saturday, be part of the generation that told the world's governments that they won't play that war-game any more. That we have, as a society, outgrown the need to whack each other over the heads over a "clash of civilizations", kill over whose gods have the bigger geniitals, and pillage other people to bail out a bankrupt government that spends recklessly, then resorts to war and conquest to get out of its debts.

The British people told their government, "NO"! The Government listened. If Americans say ,"NO" loud enough, and often enough, this government will have to listen, because in a Democracy, which the US purports to be, the will of the people is the law of the land.

Saturday is the day to make your will known. Be there!

3/11/03 Brits Backing Out?

3/11/03 Rumsfeld Backtracks on British War Role in Iraq Blair can't deliver

3/11/03 Rumsfeld: US ready to fight 'without UK' Blair can't deliver

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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,912493,00.html



US may go it alone as Blair is caught in diplomatic deadlock



Ewen MacAskill, Richard Norton-Taylor and Julian Borger in Washington

Wednesday March 12, 2003

The Guardian

[[ Excerpts from the article: ]]

Washington was forced to admit for the first time last night that it might have to start the war against Iraq without British forces because of the internal political problems heaping up for Tony Blair. ...

After talks with his British counterpart, Geoff Hoon, Mr Rumsfeld said that the British role in an assault was now "unclear"...

Mr Rumsfeld's remarks provoked a mixture of panic and fury...

The absence of Britain from the invasion force would also represent a serious political blow for George Bush, who has sought to convince American public opinion that he is not acting unilaterally. ...

Cameroon, Guinea, Angola, Mexico, Chile and Pakistan yesterday demanded that the proposed US-British ultimatum, set last week for March 17, be extended to allow Iraq 45 days to disarm. ...

Mr Blair has apparently been told by government lawyers that without a second resolution, it will be illegal for Britain to participate in war. ...

Rumsfeld Backtracks on British War Role in Iraq

...

"And, four hours later, Rumsfeld issued a terse two-paragraph written statement expressing confidence that the forces of America's most prominent ally would be side-by-side with U.S. troops should an attack take place."

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12774-2003Mar11.html

...Rummy got taken to the Wood Shed?

His retraction should be viewed with skepticism. Often the first reaction is the most telling because the Spin is not yet set.

I filter everything everyone says with a skeptical eye.

You guys worry me though. It seems we've got more to fear from within our own ranks.

Who needs al-queda?

The discussions here bring Timothy McVeigh to mind.

I understood and partly agreed with his motivation - but not his actions.

partly agreed!

identified with the terrorist! You go, girl friend!

(scary)

just keep the safety on....

Clinton's stormtrooper ATF/FBI was out of control.

Right, sure thing Madman. My mistake.

Are you comparing McVeigh to Rumsfeld? Wow!

I’ll be back, I got to go find my rubber boots. Do you have yours on already? Just checking for brandname recognition. I want to wear the best and figured asking you would be like getting it from the horse’s mouth.

Tell me, when you identify do you think of Waco too? Fun little town. Great tech school.

David was neat too, yep. real stand up guy, wee! never hurt a fly, or abused a child. nope real nice.

>>Are you comparing McVeigh to Rumsfeld? Wow!

No, actualy I had mr. Pissed off in Ohio and the other seditionists here in mind.

Waco? Nope - no sorrow for Davie and crew.

Ruby ridge, however, - yeah I think maybe that was over the line. Bumbling barely able to button their kevlar fat-ass ATF jerkoffs.

Like I said, I can see where he was coming from.

But taking up arms against the government, as he did and as some of the locals here conspire.

Not for me. Bad, counterproductive idea.

So you were in on Ruby Ridge!

before you know it, you’ll be identifing with all those who have ever been”hurt by the man” right?



Pissed off in Ohio isn't on this thread.

Don't associate me with this forum and then use that assumption as a basis of persocution of the people here.

I am that pissed off and yes I am potentially dangerous and yes I am FED UP.

But I am alone and if you have something to say, say it to me.

>>So you were in on Ruby Ridge!

I don't need to be "in on" something to see what a cluster fuck it was.

>>you’ll be identifing with...

As above, don't need to Identify with... to recognize a cluster fuck.

>>Pissed off in Ohio isn't on this thread.

There are other threads. Go read them and put my comments here into perspective.

Have a good shift.

Nasvidanya.

David K was not a threat, and neither was Ruby Ridge Weaver wackos?

It was “Clinton Stormtroopers!”

Go ahead and identify with Ruby Ridge “Martyrs for Yah-Yahshua and the White Race.”

your scaring me, Mad Max

Booo!

>>your scaring me, Mad Max

Be afraid, very afraid.

Remember, it does not matter if you're paranoid - you only have to be right once.

Can you see the mothership? it's landing 5’ north of were your standing in Estes Park, CO

walk into the light, son.

Forgot to put on my Aluminum foil hat!

better technology these days,

cheers,

I'm going to bed



no hard feelings

just play

I think max is referring to the prostitution of the american soldiers(gulf war I) and how Tim mcvey viewed that the "Constitutional America" under attack by a "false" corporate federal government.

He viewed the workers in the federal building as "traitors" to the american people and their presence there as nothing more than a foriegn "occupation" by a false govt.

Bombs and guns will never work against this system because it is too well guarded and too many hardcore homeland security fanatics.

But, if ya really want to take the cake...take it to the corporations

The corporate influence (ala oil companies, big business) are the folks who always make the money from the wars and take no responsibility for what happens in the aftermath.

How to win there.

Dont shop at these corporate chain stores that are like leeches in every community.

Protest and set up picket lines to prevent others from shopping there.

Vandalism (alway have lack of security)

and many other ways to influence the retreat of the fake foriegn govt.

take away the special interest bribes, and maybe the politicians will think with =thier hearts insted of thier wallets.

ps

this war will go on anyways

the powers that be will invent another fake ass attack (911) or a fake attack on israel.

there is no way that we have 300000 troops there and wonts attack (because we have wasted the money there -the powers will say "why not" and attack anyways

MARK MY WORDS.

WHEN THE WAR STARTS, LOS ANGELES STOPS

40 Labour MPs call for Blair to resign

By Paul Waugh Deputy Political Editor

12 March 2003

Labour Party discontent over Tony Blair's stance on Iraq burst into the open for the first time yesterday when more than 40 MPs called for the Prime Minister to resign.

The Campaign Group of Labour MPs issued a statement calling on the Prime Minister to "consider his position" and fellow left-wingers urged a party conference to discuss a leadership challenge.

Hilton Dawson, the MP for Lancaster and Wyre, also suggested in a Commons debate that Mr Blair should step down if he failed to get a fresh UN mandate for war. And union leaders used a Downing Street meeting with Mr Blair to warn of the dangers of going to war without a second resolution.

John Reid, the party chairman, was withering about the chances of a special party conference, pointing out that the "usual suspects" were behind the idea and it would not get beyond the ruling National Executive Committee.

Government sources also stressed that Gordon Brown, the most likely successor to Mr Blair, would probably adopt a similar policy on Iraq.

But the fact that MPs were openly prepared to contemplate Mr Blair's dismissal underlined the extent of the schism facing the Prime Minister in the absence of a second UN resolution. As well as resignation by Clare Short and others, he faces a rebellion by up to 200 MPs.

Mr Dawson, who is not known as a left-winger, said in the House of Commons that the Prime Minister should consider quitting or risk bringing the Labour Party "to its knees" over war with Iraq.

John McDonnell, the MP for Hayes and Harlington, issued a statement on behalf of the 40 MPs in the Campaign Group that read: "It is time for the Prime Minister to consider his position. If he is not prepared to stand up to George Bush, he must make way for those that will," it said.

Brendan Barber, the TUC general secretary, and other union leaders such as John Edmonds, the GMB leader, expressed their concerns about the Iraq crisis.

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Some one mentioned McViegh.

You mean the zombi the government used to establish the first wave of

anti terrorism laws that began to erode the civil liberties here in the ‘ land of the free?’ Like he was responsible for the murder of the men women

and children in OK? Another big lie often repeated. Read this:

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/more/ok_bomb.html

and this:

http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/okc/report.htm

BTW the first link is refusing connection, the second link is still working.

Read and think.

Clinton was just another murderer, what else is new?

thanks for the info sheepdog

I was unaware of these findings

It made me (once again)

sick to my stomach

Probally another JFK style conspiracy to enact

federal laws to disrupt the american way of life.

heres one for you

ON the same day (hours before) the major earthquake that took place in los angeles in 1994

The government was conducting underground nuclear testing closeby......

this sucks