{"article":{"id":35156,"heading":"Brits Backing Out?","author":"WhatReallyHappened.com","created":"2003-03-13 02:38:03","modified":"2003-03-30 06:25:55","last_modified":"Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:25:55","article":"<p>Make no mistake, this is a major setback for the US. If the UK pulls out,\r\nHoward will be unable to keep Australia in the war. Spain will likely bail as\r\nwell, rather than risk a popular uprising. The illusion of a coalition will be\r\nbroken. It's just the US invading Iraq, plain and simple.\r\n<\/p><p>In short, the peace demonstrations are WORKING. Blair and the MPs looked out\r\ntheir windows at a million people opposed to the war, and knew fear. This\r\nweekend, there is another chance to show the war-mongers that nobody will show\r\nup for their war. We The People quit. We refuse to be part of it. We refuse to\r\nbe lied to. We refuse to be deceived. We refuse to be afraid, least of all of\r\nour own government. We refuse to pay for the bombs. We refuse to surrender our\r\nchildren. We refuse to kill who we are told, hate who we are told, steal from\r\nwhom we are told.\r\n<\/p><p>This Saturday, be part of the generation that told the world's governments\r\nthat they won't play that war-game any more. That we have, as a society,\r\noutgrown the need to whack each other over the heads over a \"clash of\r\ncivilizations\", kill over whose gods have the bigger geniitals, and pillage\r\nother people to bail out a bankrupt government that spends recklessly, then\r\nresorts to war and conquest to get out of its debts.\r\n<\/p><p>The British people told their government, \"NO\"! The Government\r\nlistened. If Americans say ,\"NO\" loud enough, and often enough, this\r\ngovernment will have to listen, because in a Democracy, which the US purports to\r\nbe, the will of the people is the law of the land.\r\n<\/p><p>Saturday is the day to make your will known. Be there!<\/p>\r\n<p>3\/11\/03 Brits\r\nBacking Out?\r\n<\/p><p>3\/11\/03 Rumsfeld\r\nBacktracks on British War Role in Iraq Blair can't deliver\r\n<\/p><p>3\/11\/03 Rumsfeld:\r\nUS ready to fight 'without UK' Blair can't deliver<\/p>\r\n<p>-- <\/p>\r\n<p><\/p>\r\n \n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/html","summary":"...xxx","numcomment":21,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/35156.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":35180,"heading":"Another good article -- also, the the UN &quot;6 undecideds&quot; want 45 more days for Ir","article":"\r\nhttp:\/\/politics.guardian.co.uk\/foreignaffairs\/story\/0,11538,912493,00.html \r\n\r\n\r\nUS may go it alone as Blair is caught in diplomatic deadlock \r\n\r\n\r\nEwen MacAskill, Richard Norton-Taylor and Julian Borger in Washington \r\nWednesday March 12, 2003 \r\nThe Guardian \r\n\r\n[[ Excerpts from the article: ]]\r\n\r\nWashington was forced to admit for the first time last night that it might have to start the war against Iraq without British forces because of the internal political problems heaping up for Tony Blair. ...\r\n\r\nAfter talks with his British counterpart, Geoff Hoon, Mr Rumsfeld said that the British role in an assault was now &quot;unclear&quot;...\r\n\r\nMr Rumsfeld's remarks provoked a mixture of panic and fury...\r\n\r\nThe absence of Britain from the invasion force would also represent a serious political blow for George Bush, who has sought to convince American public opinion that he is not acting unilaterally.  ...\r\n\r\nCameroon, Guinea, Angola, Mexico, Chile and Pakistan yesterday demanded that the proposed US-British ultimatum, set last week for March 17, be extended to allow Iraq 45 days to disarm. ...\r\n\r\nMr Blair has apparently been told by government lawyers that without a second resolution, it will be illegal for Britain to participate in war. ...\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Guardian UK","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 05:14:39","modified":"2003-03-13 05:14:39","fileurl":""},{"id":35187,"heading":"Brits Back IN?","article":"Rumsfeld Backtracks on British War Role in Iraq \r\n... \r\n&quot;And, four hours later, Rumsfeld issued a terse two-paragraph written statement expressing confidence that the forces of America's most prominent ally would be side-by-side with U.S. troops should an attack take place.&quot; \r\n... \r\nhttp:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/articles\/A12774-2003Mar11.html ","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 05:41:46","modified":"2003-03-13 05:41:46","fileurl":""},{"id":35215,"heading":"Wanna bet...","article":"...Rummy got taken to the Wood Shed?\r\n\r\nHis retraction should be viewed with skepticism. Often the first reaction is the most telling because the Spin is not yet set.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 07:16:42","modified":"2003-03-13 07:16:42","fileurl":""},{"id":35235,"heading":"Trust me<g>","article":"I filter everything everyone says with a skeptical eye.\r\n\r\nYou guys worry me though.  It seems we've got more to fear from within our own ranks.\r\n\r\nWho needs al-queda?  \r\n\r\nThe discussions here bring Timothy McVeigh to mind.\r\n\r\nI understood and partly agreed with his motivation - but not his actions.","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 08:41:30","modified":"2003-03-13 08:41:30","fileurl":""},{"id":35238,"heading":"partly agreed?","article":"partly agreed!\r\n\r\nidentified with the terrorist!  You go, girl friend!  \r\n\r\n(scary)\r\n\r\njust keep the safety on....\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"eek!","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 08:44:31","modified":"2003-03-13 08:44:31","fileurl":""},{"id":35240,"heading":"Yes Partly agreed","article":"\r\nClinton's stormtrooper ATF\/FBI was out of control.\r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:01:46","modified":"2003-03-13 09:01:46","fileurl":""},{"id":35241,"heading":"oh","article":"Right, sure thing Madman.  My mistake.\r\n\r\nAre you comparing McVeigh to Rumsfeld?  Wow!\r\n\r\nI\u2019ll be back, I got to go find my rubber boots.  Do you have yours on already?  Just checking for brandname recognition.  I want to wear the best and figured asking you would be like getting it from the horse\u2019s mouth.\r\n\r\nTell me, when you identify do you think of Waco too?  Fun little town.  Great tech school.\r\n\r\nDavid was neat too, yep. real stand up guy, wee! never hurt a fly, or abused a child. nope real nice.\r\n","author":"eek","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:03:31","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:01","fileurl":""},{"id":35243,"heading":"Ahh No","article":">>Are you comparing McVeigh to Rumsfeld? Wow!\r\n\r\nNo, actualy I had mr. Pissed off in Ohio and the other seditionists here in mind. \r\n\r\nWaco?  Nope - no sorrow for Davie and crew.\r\n\r\nRuby ridge, however, - yeah I think maybe that was over the line.   Bumbling barely able to button their kevlar fat-ass ATF jerkoffs.\r\n\r\nLike I said, I can see where he was coming from.  \r\n\r\nBut taking up arms against the government, as he did and as some of the locals here conspire.   \r\n\r\nNot for me.  Bad, counterproductive idea.","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:17:41","modified":"2003-03-13 09:17:41","fileurl":""},{"id":35244,"heading":"ah-ha!","article":"So you were in on Ruby Ridge!\r\n\r\nbefore you know it, you\u2019ll be identifing with all those who have ever been\u201dhurt by the man\u201d right?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nPissed off in Ohio isn't on this thread.","author":"eek","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:21:13","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:01","fileurl":""},{"id":35245,"heading":"HEY","article":"Don't associate me with this forum and then use that assumption as a basis of persocution of the people here.\r\n\r\nI am that pissed off and yes I am potentially dangerous and yes I am FED UP.\r\n\r\nBut I am alone and if you have something to say, say it to me.","author":"Pissed Off in Ohio","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:22:26","modified":"2003-03-13 09:22:26","fileurl":""},{"id":35247,"heading":"Hmmm","article":">>So you were in on Ruby Ridge! \r\n\r\nI don't need to be &quot;in on&quot; something to see what a cluster fuck it was.\r\n\r\n>>you\u2019ll be identifing with... \r\n\r\nAs above, don't need to Identify with... to recognize a cluster fuck.\r\n\r\n>>Pissed off in Ohio isn't on this thread.\r\n\r\nThere are other threads.  Go read them and put my comments here into perspective.\r\n\r\nHave a good shift.\r\nNasvidanya. \r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:36:54","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:01","fileurl":""},{"id":35249,"heading":"ya, sure ya betcha","article":"David K was not a threat, and neither was Ruby Ridge Weaver wackos?\r\n\r\nIt was \u201cClinton Stormtroopers!\u201d \r\n\r\nGo ahead and identify with Ruby Ridge \u201cMartyrs for Yah-Yahshua and the White Race.\u201d\r\n\r\nyour scaring me, Mad Max","author":"eek","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:39:08","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:01","fileurl":""},{"id":35251,"heading":"Fire for Effect","article":"Booo!\r\n\r\n>>your scaring me, Mad Max\r\n\r\nBe afraid, very afraid.\r\n\r\nRemember, it does not matter if you're paranoid - you only have to be right once.\r\n<G>","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:45:22","modified":"2003-03-13 09:45:22","fileurl":""},{"id":35252,"heading":"ha!","article":"Can you see the mothership? it's landing 5\u2019 north of were your standing in Estes Park, CO\r\n\r\nwalk into the light, son.\r\n\r\n","author":"eek","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:47:55","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:01","fileurl":""},{"id":35253,"heading":"Damn!","article":"Forgot to put on my Aluminum foil hat!","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:51:59","modified":"2003-03-13 09:51:59","fileurl":""},{"id":35254,"heading":"You won't need it","article":"better technology these days,\r\n\r\ncheers,\r\n\r\nI'm going to bed\r\n\r\n\r\nno hard feelings\r\njust play","author":"eek","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:55:30","modified":"2003-03-13 09:55:30","fileurl":""},{"id":35255,"heading":"THE PROBLEM","article":"I think max is referring to the prostitution of the american soldiers(gulf war I) and how Tim mcvey viewed that the &quot;Constitutional America&quot; under attack by a &quot;false&quot; corporate federal government.\r\nHe viewed the workers in the federal building as &quot;traitors&quot; to the american people and their presence there as nothing more than a foriegn &quot;occupation&quot; by a false govt.\r\nBombs and guns will never work against this system because it is too well guarded and too many hardcore homeland security fanatics.\r\nBut, if ya really want to take the cake...take it to the corporations\r\nThe corporate influence (ala oil companies, big business) are the folks who always make the money from the wars and take no responsibility for what happens in the aftermath.\r\nHow to win there.\r\nDont shop at these corporate chain stores that are like leeches in every community.\r\nProtest and set up picket lines to prevent others from shopping there.\r\nVandalism (alway have lack of security)\r\nand many other ways to influence the retreat of the fake foriegn govt.\r\ntake away the special interest bribes, and maybe the politicians will think with =thier hearts insted of thier wallets.\r\nps\r\nthis war will go on anyways\r\nthe powers that be will invent another fake ass attack (911) or a fake attack on israel.\r\nthere is no way that we have 300000 troops there and wonts attack (because we have wasted the money there -the powers will say &quot;why not&quot; and attack anyways\r\nMARK MY  WORDS.\r\nWHEN THE WAR STARTS, LOS ANGELES STOPS","author":"anarchy13","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 09:58:11","modified":"2003-03-13 09:58:11","fileurl":""},{"id":35309,"heading":"Calls For Blair Resignation","article":"40 Labour MPs call for Blair to resign\r\n\r\nBy Paul Waugh Deputy Political Editor\r\n\r\n12 March 2003\r\n\r\nLabour Party discontent over Tony Blair's stance on Iraq burst into the open for the first time yesterday when more than 40 MPs called for the Prime Minister to resign.\r\n\r\nThe Campaign Group of Labour MPs issued a statement calling on the Prime Minister to &quot;consider his position&quot; and fellow left-wingers urged a party conference to discuss a leadership challenge.\r\n\r\nHilton Dawson, the MP for Lancaster and Wyre, also suggested in a Commons debate that Mr Blair should step down if he failed to get a fresh UN mandate for war. And union leaders used a Downing Street meeting with Mr Blair to warn of the dangers of going to war without a second resolution.\r\n\r\nJohn Reid, the party chairman, was withering about the chances of a special party conference, pointing out that the &quot;usual suspects&quot; were behind the idea and it would not get beyond the ruling National Executive Committee.\r\n\r\nGovernment sources also stressed that Gordon Brown, the most likely successor to Mr Blair, would probably adopt a similar policy on Iraq.\r\n\r\nBut the fact that MPs were openly prepared to contemplate Mr Blair's dismissal underlined the extent of the schism facing the Prime Minister in the absence of a second UN resolution. As well as resignation by Clare Short and others, he faces a rebellion by up to 200 MPs.\r\n\r\nMr Dawson, who is not known as a left-winger, said in the House of Commons that the Prime Minister should consider quitting or risk bringing the Labour Party &quot;to its knees&quot; over war with Iraq.\r\n\r\nJohn McDonnell, the MP for Hayes and Harlington, issued a statement on behalf of the 40 MPs in the Campaign Group that read: &quot;It is time for the Prime Minister to consider his position. If he is not prepared to stand up to George Bush, he must make way for those that will,&quot; it said.\r\n\r\nBrendan Barber, the TUC general secretary, and other union leaders such as John Edmonds, the GMB leader, expressed their concerns about the Iraq crisis. \r\n\r\nAlso in Politics\r\nPhone and e-mail 'snoopers' charter' is watered down\r\n40 Labour MPs call for Blair to resign\r\nCommons committee attacks MoD for poor war planning\r\nMillions of Iraqis may flee, say aid agencies\r\nBy-election to upper house contested by 81 peers\r\n\r\n------------------------------------------------------------------------","author":"C\/O Diogenes","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 19:48:09","modified":"2003-03-13 19:48:09","fileurl":""},{"id":35325,"heading":"Piles on piles","article":"Some one mentioned McViegh.\r\nYou mean the zombi the government used to establish the first wave of\r\nanti terrorism laws that began to erode the civil liberties here in the \u2018 land of the free?\u2019 Like he was responsible for the murder of the men women\r\nand children in OK?  Another big lie often repeated. Read this:\r\nhttp:\/\/serendipity.magnet.ch\/more\/ok_bomb.html\r\nand this:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.intellex.com\/~rigs\/page1\/okc\/report.htm\r\nBTW the first link is refusing connection, the second link is still working.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 22:14:18","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:02","fileurl":""},{"id":35326,"heading":"Now they work","article":"Read and think.\r\nClinton was just another murderer, what else is new?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-13 22:22:43","modified":"2003-03-13 22:22:43","fileurl":""},{"id":43606,"heading":"thanks for the mammaries","article":"thanks for the info sheepdog\r\nI was unaware of these findings\r\nIt made me (once again)\r\nsick to my stomach\r\nProbally another JFK style conspiracy to enact\r\nfederal laws to disrupt the american way of life.\r\n\r\nheres one for you\r\n\r\nON the same day (hours before) the major earthquake that took place in los angeles in 1994\r\nThe government was conducting underground nuclear testing closeby......\r\n\r\nthis sucks","author":"anarchy13","parent_id":35156,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-30 06:25:55","modified":"2003-03-30 06:25:55","fileurl":""}]}