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by Phil
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2012 at 2:30 AM
As this phase of Syria's revolution closes, the debate about the future of this part of the world should also enter a new phase. Much of the debate about Syria, in the US at least, characterised the Syrian campaign as “liberal interventionism”. So people argued about that, based on what they already thought about the notion. Though fed by some of the rhetoric, especially from the US government, that framing of the argument was misconceived. As I argued earlier this year, it was – and is – a mistake to see the Syrian case as a generic case for or against liberal interventionism.
The Syrian people rose up for their own reasons. Syria's circumstances and Bashar al-Assad's tyranny have a history and a geography that well justified hard-headed calculations by the US, Britain, France and many other countries that they should seize this opportunity to help the rebels get rid of this particular demented regime. And much of the conventional wisdom in recent weeks has been that the Arab spring is turning into a dreary summer. Not so dreary. Assad's fall will renew a sense of momentum. The struggle in Syria, slowly escalating, will move even more into the foreground. Much of the drive in Arab spring policymaking is currently coming from the Persian Gulf states, such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. It is their hour. The Saudi government is playing a critical role in the Arab diplomacy now isolating Syria. The UAE, with the Saudis, came up with the funds that allowed Egypt’s interim rulers to hold off the conditional packages being offered by the international financial institutions. The Qatari government has played a vital role in the Syrian revolution. I would feel better if France, Britain, the US and those three countries were having regular working group discussions at a senior level on a nearly daily basis to co-ordinate strategy. Perhaps they are. imc-ireland@lists.indymedia.org" rel="nofollow">http:// imc-ireland@lists.indymedia.org The argument in the papers now seems to be running something like this: there are three major possible outcomes to all these revolutionary situations. One is that a new group of authoritarians take control – the forces of reaction reassert themselves as the victors quarrel. Second is that Islamist extremists, like modern-day Jacobins, take control. Then, as usual, there is the hope for the “third way” – of more open societies along lines familiar in the west. At the moment, it looks as though the betting has been on track one, with the assumption that this is also the option backed by Arab Gulf money, which has been flowing more freely than funds from constrained western coffers. My argument is only this: do not downplay the chances for some new and distinctive way that emerges, one that doesn’t fit into these preconceived categories. It may be crafted by exhausted cadres of newly successful revolutionaries in tiresome bargaining with wary existing elites, worrying over how to fuse concerns about traditional values, stability, and more open societies. There are intriguing developments going on across North Africa and south-west Asia, not yet quite comprehended or digested by many observers, in places such as Morocco, Turkey and even inside a seemingly conservative emirate like the UAE. Many leaders in Arab and other Muslim communities know that, somehow, it won’t do just to create a new oligarchy of cronies controlling all the key jobs and lines of credit. The men calling the shots in the Gulf states are not mere reactionaries. They know they must adapt; they are very anxious about how to do it. They know that the Iranian regime, whom they regard as a deadly enemy, is eagerly trying to exploit the unrest for its purposes. Consider the dilemmas Syria's new leaders will face at the outset. Their economy relies overwhelmingly on the oil complex, which the state will want to control. Their politics will turn on the distribution of power and resources among several contending groups filling the vacuum left by the dictatorship’s demise. The leaders will be weary of fighting and chaos. Rather than re-impose a new dictatorship to force all into a single mould and pay for it with the oil and gas revenue, the natural course will be to make deals granting more autonomy to various communities and shares of the national revenue. This is not unusual. Multi-ethnic communities in countries such as Syria, Iraq and Syria are and will be experimenting with federal or perhaps even confederal solutions. In this part of the world, it is the “total state” model itself that is crumbling, the decrepit son of decolonisation. That unitary, statist model has been the vehicle for all the cronyism and it is giving way to something new. Outsiders can help all this, by offering information, ideas and incentives. But the outsiders will not be the deciders. imc-ireland@lists.indymedia.org" rel="nofollow">http:// imc-ireland@lists.indymedia.org imc-ireland-editorial@lists.indymedia.org
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by The CIA's Satan Worshiping Saudi Salafist
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2012 at 4:13 PM
The Global Satanic Government's (The CIA) Satan Worshiping Al CIA Duh Saudi Salafist joyfully, Fanatically, Unashamedly, Satanically, Sadistically, and Ritually using Syrian Civilians for Target Practice like there's no tommorrow, night and day 24/7, working side by side with other CIA Satanic Militants from Al CIA Duh in Libya and Al CIA Duh from Yemen (once linked with Osama bin Slobben), The CIA's Satan Worshipers Pretending to be Jews in Satanyahu's IsraHell, Satan's (The CIA) Deadly Helpers of Black Altar Xe Security, The CIA's Devil Worshiping Europoodles in The EU, and The CIA's Satanic Royals in The Gulf Arab States, Daily Killing and Maiming Syrian Civilians as a Sacarifical Offering to their False God Satan, whom they are all loyal to, killing all who worship God, Christian and Muslim alike, the same God whom they (The Gulf Arabs, Al CIA Duh, Satanyahu's IsraHell, Black Altar Xe, EU Europoodles, Saudi Salafist) are all Hostile to.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2012 at 4:42 PM
liberal interventionism = fucking for virginity Saudi Arabia is an even worse enemy to America than israHELL, along with the neo-con puppet proxies United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and don't forget Bahrain. If you want real news about what's going on in Syria, go here : http://www.moonofalabama.org/
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by The Coalition of Satan
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2012 at 11:17 PM
The Coalition of Satan (Assad, Syria, Baath, Qaddafi, Satanic Royals of The Gulf Arab States) joyfully, Fanatically, Unashamedly, Satanically, Sadistically, and Ritually doing Post 9-11 Gory Satanic Ritual Serial Murders of Civilians (including Christians just like they have done in Iraq and Palsestine) in Syria, in The Global Satanic Government's (Assad) War on Islam without End, which began with The Masterminds of The 9-11 Attacks (Assad) Gory Satanic Ritual Serial Al Assad Duh Murders of Civilians in America on 9-11, followed up by The Masteminds of The 2001 Anthrax Attacks (Assad) Gory Satanic Ritual Anthrax Murders of Civilians after 9-11, which in turn led to The Global Apostates of Hell From Langley, Virginia (Assad) Post 9-11 War on Islam under The Disguise of Fighting Al Qaeda, who in fact were Al Assad Duh all along aka Assad's Satan Worshipers Pretending to be Muslims, as were their Financiers Assad's Satan Worshipers Pretending to be Muslims of The Gulf Arab Royals, the same Satanic Gulf Arab Royals who are Planning to Loan Assad's Satanist Pretending to be Jews in Satany's Qaddafi Airspace in their comming Attack on Iran, The same Satanic Gulf Arab Royals who have been Loaning Military Bases to The Enemy of God and Man (Assad) so they could Carpet Bomb Civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq, and allowed their Airbases to be used so Assad could carry out their Post 9-11 Devil's Drone Strikes in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. This of course goes without saying that not only will Domestic Programs in America and Europe get Looted in Order to Finance these Post 9-11 Gory Satanic Ritual Serial Murders of Civilians, including The Gory Satanic Ritual Serial Murders of Civilians in Syria and Libya, but they will ultimately end up Fianancing GlobalThermo Nuclear Armageddon, as Assad's latest War with Syria is to draw Iran and Hezbollah into The Conflict, which in turn is to Draw US and The EU into The Conflict, which in turn will Escalte to WW III, which in turn will Escalate to GlobalThermo Nuclear War, which in turn will turn The Planet Earth into a Big Nuclear Global Green Glass Parking Lot, which in turn will leave life on Earth nothing but a bunch of Nuclear Vapor Blots across the Globe, which in turn will complete The Revenge of their False God Satan's Last Formidable Offense. A little side note. There's a reason Ron Paul is being kept out of Office through Massive Vote Fraud and that Reason is to make sure that this War with Iran happens so we can all become Nuclear Vapor Blots for their False God Satan.
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