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May 29, 2010, 9:55 pm - Dispatch From Phoenix, AZ - Immigrants Rights Demonstration

by LA-IMC Newsroom Sunday, May. 30, 2010 at 6:51 AM

LA Indymedia reporters are in Phoenix today to cover the planned mass demonstrations against the recently passed Arizona anti-immigrant law, SB1070.

LA-IMC reporter, Anna Kunkin, at the protest assembly point reports at 8:00 am hundreds of people streaming in from all directions. Buses from all over the country continue to arrive. Anna reports good diversity at the rally with people from all backgrounds there.

A six mile mass march ending in a rally at the state capitol building is expected to start in the next hour. There are rumors that Rage Against The Machine may play at the rally. Also expected to play is the band Outer-national.

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Immigrants ARE PEOPLE, so the Post 9-11 War on Immigrants affects everyone.

by The Haves (Rich) War on The Have Nots Sunday, May. 30, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Just another example of how The Haves (The Rich) are waging their Economic War of Terror on The Have Nots (The Poor). While the Haves Ship High Paying Jobs Overseas via NAFTA & CAFTA, Siphon Domestic Funds to Fund Satanic Wars Abroad, and have a Post 9-11 Draconian Police State with Public Enemies aka COPS (Criminals On Patrol) cracking down on any Protest of their Activities, the Haves (The Rich) are secretly doing something else. The Haves (The Rich) are Blaming Immigrants for their Sins, and also expanding CIA Drones into their War on Immigrants as well as The National Guard. How does this affect the Average Joe Six Pack? Because Now CIA Drones and The National Guard are involved in DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT, and can be used not only against Immigrants but also against The Average Joe Six Packs. What began after 9-11 with the so called War on Terror, has Expanded into Immigration, and will expand into Domestic Law Enforcement. That's how it affects you. Immigrants ARE PEOPLE TO. IF THEY CAN DO THIS TO IMMIGRANTS THAN THE HAVES (THE RICH) CAN DO THIS TO YOU.
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wowzers

by "Arizona anti-immigrant law"? Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 3:21 AM

please, this is just too much. We are talking about an invasion of illegal, economic refugees that are being pitted against their brothers and sisters by foundations to fight over the crumbs of what the real enemies of all of us, NAFTA, GATT and all these killer trade agreements have done to all of us.
Now we are being directed to fight a single issue[ against our own working class ] that will resolve NOTHING!
I'm so pissed at stupidity.
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USA is not yours to give to illegals

by PrionPartyy Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 5:14 AM

If a deer crosses the border, it is not an illegal alien. It is just a deer crossing the border.

Illegal aliens are humans, so they know they are breaking US immigration laws. Which is why they sneek across the border.

Illegal aliens know they are denying the American citizens their right to self determination. Which is why they sneek across the border.

Being human doesn't mean the illegal alien's trip to our country is not an offense against the American people, it just showcases that the illegal aliens know that they crap on US immigration laws and the American people's right to self determination. And any US citizen who aids the illegal aliens in the USA are also crapping on their fellow Americans right to self determination.
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'self abuse'

by say what? Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 5:40 AM

"self determination" as a justification, doesn't work any better for a ideology of them vs us here, than it works for the psychopaths in 'Is Real'.
It's NAFTA, and Wall Street we need to focus on as all this foundation funded attempts to get us at each other's throat...
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AZ

by stone cold beau bice beeber Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 11:56 AM

poopypooty party puto nobody cares what u say!!The migrants have every right to be here!!just like the Palestinians!! This is occupied territory just like Palestine!! We need to go after the true "illegals" who cross any border they wish i.e. The multinational corporations, the military industrial complex!! etc who pollute and loot the planet dry!!!
We need to stop with this petty bickering! and start fighting our true enemies!!
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I didn't miss yours

by SOP Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM

you have a divisive agenda with all the attendant hot rhetoric with no solutions in the rant against the products of other destructive and divisive policies crafted to turn us, as common workers against other cultures after their own has been destroyed. The flurry about an Arizona law [ copied in California and Federal law ] is useless noise and division funded by foundations like the Ford foundation, to divert the outrage from criminal unpopular edicts like these trade agreements, dictated down from a compromised government.
Pouring salt on an open wound instead of attending to the wound by cleaning and dressing it properly.

all of this public furor should be used to unite in our common response to a common assault not protesting the symptoms uselessly.
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poopy pooty?

by PrionPartyy Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 5:21 PM

You call the multinational corperations, military industrial complex, etc our "true enemies".

And I can't argue against that point even one single sentence. They are without question the enemies of not only the Americans they hide behind, but of the whole world. And they have made themselves the ememies of all by their own choice.

But...

How does that mean illegal aliens in the USA are not the enemies of the American people? By their own choice.

You keep leaving something out of your rant. That something is called SUBSTANCE.

I noticed you do the same when you write about the Palestinian's homeland. No substance.

Do you really expect anyone to know what you are talking about when you constantly fail to write anything of substance that we can sink our teeth into???
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"self determination"

by mous Monday, May. 31, 2010 at 10:15 PM

The US has impeded other countries and ethnic groups self-determination over and over, via bombs, wars, puppet dictators, meddling in elections in other countries, and invasions. The US broke plenty of agreements to acquire property, like in Hawaii.

That doesn't compare to people sneaking across a border to compete for jobs, primarily, with African Americans... who have also had their self-determination impeded, mostly by the government.

So please explain how these undocumented immigrants are harming our self determination.
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not that you are listening to anyone

by PrionPartyy Tuesday, Jun. 01, 2010 at 12:45 PM

You write about how the US government (not the USA) has been assholes all around the world.

I can't argue against anything you wrote there.

Then you write about how that doesn't compare with how crappy the US government has been acting.

Again, you are right about how it does not compare.

And? So because the US government are bigger assholes than the illegal aliens denying Americans their right to self determination, the illegal aliens are somehow not denying Americans their right to self determination????

How does that work in your mind??? OR anyone else's mind???

Only Americans have any right to say who gets to live in the USA. Just as only Palestinians have any right to say who gets to live in the Palestinian's homeland, even if Zionist crusaders deny the Palestinians their right to self ddetermination, WITH the support of the US government and others as you touched on in your first paragraph.

Americans have their own immigration policy and ONLY Americans have ANY right to decide on that policy. Illegal aliens deny Americans the right to self determination when they sneek across the border and crap on US immigration laws.

It really isn't that hard to understand once you dump the idea that the US government being assholes around the world doesn't change a thing about the illegal alien's offensive denial of AMericans their right to self determination.

Maybe you should try some other tactic besides your 2 worngs makes one of the wrongs a right.
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Photos from the March & Protest

by I am not allowed to defend myself Tuesday, Jun. 01, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Photos from the March and Protest

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2010/05/239848.php
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self determination

by mous Wednesday, Jun. 02, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Yes, they violate immigration law, but do they really impede self-determination?

Undocumented people in total constitute around 3% of the population. Maybe 4%.

They have limited effect.

Also, internationally, all industrialized nations with functioning economies have undocumented workers. They exist in Germany, some in Japan, in China, in England. All over.

So, even if national self-determination is affected, it's something that's happening to many countries.

Our inability to have absolute control over immigration is shared by our international peers. It's normal to have illegal immigration.

There are things some people want, and there are things that are possible. People want only legal immigration, but what's possible is a mixture of legal and illegal immigration. That's just how it is.
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Got bait? It is there for you to bite.

by PrionPartyy Thursday, Jun. 03, 2010 at 4:34 PM

When they deny the American people their right to say who gets to immigrate to the USA , then yes they do deny (not impead, DENY) americans their right to self determination.

And that 3% to 4% deny Americans their right to self determination 100%. Not limited as you suggest.

Yes, many ilegal aliens deny many peoples around the world their right to self determiantion 100%. And???

Normal. And???

How it is. And???

And Americans and Germans and the others havng their right to self determination denied to them have a right to self determination to kick those illegal aliens out.

And rationalizing the illegal alien's offenses against people's right to self determination isn't going to change that.

Normal. How it is. Happening to many countries. These points don't change anything and will never deny Americans germans etc their right to self determination.
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Get out of the country

by mous Thursday, Jun. 03, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Please. The idea that you can control illegal immigration is a fantasy, especially at the heart of the global empire.

Look at the stats - there are always people coming over. You make a law, and some people will break it. That's what makes this country great - we don't take our laws too seriously. There's always dissent, and we believe that there are higher issues, like whether a law is constitutional or not. The police departments even ignore some laws, like pot and undocumented immigration.

If you want "less government" - there you go. Branches of government that fail to comply with other branches, the end result being an increase personal liberty.

Would you rather live in a country where everyone is scrupulous about following the laws? You can move to Germany.

You can go somewhere they don't want to believe immigration really happens, like Japan.
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