Many of us in the peace movement are well into our eighth year of protesting the Iraq "war" on a weekly basis. Naturally, these vigils have become a bit burdensome at times--but for me, the Xmas Day vigils are a great way to start the holiday and to capture the spirit of "peace on Earth."

Locations of our December 25 vigil have changed over the years. Yesterday, we had it in Eagle Rock. Six of us turned out. While many passersby were non-committal, many others gave us peace signs (and we exchanged waves with a police car). A few even thanked us for being there.

Many of ours signs addressed the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, but support for same-sex marriage was also prominent.

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Osama, and indeed all of America's enemies, thank you for your assistance. Our enemies know they cannot beat America on the field, they count on members of the "Innocents' Club" to assist in weakening American resolve.


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"Our enemies know they cannot beat America on the field-"
Sloganeering fudgewits aside, where are these 'enemies' to whom you so mindlessly and vacuously vent your wrath?
People not like you?
Or a specific boogeyman like the very dead OBL?
And if you are able to cite at least one example of where we are 'winning' after nearly a decade of war beyond the poppy fields and green zones, I would like to see it.

there is nothing to add.
Paranoia and rage can only take one so far; then it's just a hollow echo down the halls of madness and inanity.
Like the familiar squeeeeeeeal of a pig caught under a picket fence.
Peace and cooperation among people is the only way we as a species will survive this epic of death and madness.

actually we need to refresh the reader about the looser squeeeeeeal of zionazi pigs caught with their motives exposed.

"American resolve"???

Maybe dink means the "resolve" to destroy people's lives and lifes around the world for the profit of special intrest groups. The most obvious being Zionists and their enablers.

It isn't America's resolve to help destroy our Palestinian neighbor's lives and lifes. It does seem that it is the whore politician's resolve to sell out America's peace by supplying the murderous theiving Zionist crusaders with the means to destroy our Palestinian neighbor's lives and lifes.

Jesus said you should fear those who WILL destroy your souls more than you should fear those who would destroy your life.

It is not for us to question what the Zionists do to protect themselves. It is their right.

PrionPartyy wrote:

Jesus said you should fear those who WILL destroy your souls more than you should fear those who would destroy your life.

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Unfortunately, much of what Jesus said was contradicted and/or garbled by Paul's later teachings. Not that people, including many Christians, would have listened to Christ's own words anyway.

In my personal opinion, I think Christianity was dealt a severe blow once it merged with the establishment--the Roman Empire. ("By this sign you shall conquer.")

what an unbelievable statement
"It is not for us to question what the Zionists do to protect themselves. It is their right."
then by the very same standard it is the right of *anyone to do what *ever they need to do to 'protect' themselves, including any act of barbarism or mass murder.
It's OKAY!
I know this is not a world I want for my children. Maybe the author of this statement does because in its warped ideology; psychopathic self determination trumps any humanity as it separates itself from our human family to become a self professed 'other'.
We as a human species tend to *eliminate* other species threats to our universal survival. Note the Dire wolf and Cave bear.
Take heed, all you"superior chosen people" who believe their own propaganda.
You're on a short road to extinction.

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2009/12/76147_comment.php#76169

you tell us
by PPyy Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009 at 7:27 AM

Notice that last photo. The bloody one. How the assumed explosive belt was neatly layed over the torso instead of under the shirt as we are told Palestinian suicide bombers are taught to do to conceal the devices as well as posible.

As for the other photos, it is hardly our business to tell Palestinians how to liberate their own homeland from murderous thieving Zionist crusaders occupying the Palestinian's homeland.

What? Do you say that it is wrong for Palestinians to employ violence to liberate their own homeland from the Zionist occupiers??? OK then. You tell us what methods YOU would permit the Palestinians to liberate their own homeland from the murderous theiving Zionist crusaders.

you're still on a short road to extinction if you feel it essential to put your own cult above the level of common humanity.
you have divorced yourself from the human race.
you are our common enemy.

It is not for us to question what the NAZI occupiers did to protect thenselves on D Day. It was their right.

The right to self defense does not include any right to occupy someone else's homeland. And that goes for the murderous thieving Zionist crusaders too. Defense has 2 options: fight or flight. Zionists fight to maintain their occupation of Palestinian landsAND to steal more and more Palestinian lands, which are offensive actions. Not a defensive actions.

I am Christian. Not a Paulsian. Nore a Jamesian. Nore a Falwellian. Nore a Hagean.

I don't see you offering any other means for Palestinians to liberate their own homeland from the murderous theiving Zionists occupying the alestinian's homeland. If I were to quote Jesus and then give you a bunch of my own personal opinion about what Jesus said, you could easily accept what Jesus said and forget about everything I said. Please do not be a PrionPartian. Use the minds and hearts that God took the time to give you. What you can hold within your hearts is of God. Jesus said that. He also said, "It is by their fruits that you shall know them". Not what they call themselves.

How did Greeks drive Persians out? Violent confrontation?

How did Soviets drive NAZIs out? And US taxpayers happily used US taxes to supply them with lend lease support to use violence to drive the NAZIs out.

You tell us why you suggest that it is wrong or offensive or "unbelievable" for Palestinians to use violence to drive the Zionist occupiers out of Zionist occupied Palestinian lands.

"I don't see you offering any other means for Palestinians"

That's because it's none of my business.

"it is hardly our business to tell Palestinians how to liberate their own homeland"

"you're still on a short road to extinction if you feel it essential to put your own cult above the level of common humanity. you have divorced yourself from the human race. you are our common enemy."

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I hope you're right, but I'm starting to believe in "survival of the shitiest": the most ruthless, self-centered, short-sided, and destructive survive.

Naomi Klein has called Hurricane Katrina a preview of what's to come via global warming: the people who contributed to climate change the least suffered the most.

She has outlined a post-global warming future where there are Green Zones (like in Iraq) with luxury living--and everyone else outside the walls. (She says this in a documentary that accompanied the DVD of Children of Men.)

In most cases, it seems that Native Americans got genocide (or very good attempts at genocide) after being nice to the newcomers (though there are a few notable exceptions that I've read about).

In my daily interactions, I see nice people getting preyed upon as if that were a law of physics.

Personally, I'd chose not to survive at all than to join "the shitiest." (IMO, being shitty tends to meet short-term objectives.)

Also, I remain somewhat hopeful because the "survival of the shittiest" model is fairly new on this continent. For the most part it didn't exist prior to European contact. (The same story is true around the world.) Humans have done better in the past.

"Humans have done better in the past. "

Prove it.

"prove it "

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According to many European accounts, the Native Americans were happy and healthy--on both the west and east coasts--at the time of first contact. Sure, there was some war and societies with slaves--I didn't say there've been perfect societies--but IMO they were a hell of an improvement over total insanity that came over with the Europeans.

The cultures on this continent were diverse--which in my personal opinion is a good thing. We're now in a society where 400 million people have to live with the same federal laws.

Also, there are accounts of happy and peaceful societies in the Pacific Islands--until the Europeans/the U.S. got too involved there, too.

From an environmental standpoint, compare tens of thousands years of indigenous stewardship to just a few centuries of Euro-American stewardship.

Of course, indigenous ways of living aren't for everyone, but while their cultures have tended to be less materialistic, they have been more advanced spiritually.

Here's a website about peaceful societies: www.peacefulsocities.org.

The link I provided earlier doesn't work. This one should: http://peacefulsocieties.org/

Aren’t humans amazing Animals? They kill wildlife - birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed.

Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them. This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - - health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer.

So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions of more animals to look for cures for these diseases.

Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals.

Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for "Peace on Earth."


~Revised Preface to Old MacDonald’s Factory Farm by C. David Coates~

Check out this informative and inspiring video on why people choose vegan: http://veganvideo.org/

Also see Gary Yourofsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo

animal protean is a great source of amino acids and if used to flavor the main course of grains veggies etc. it does not pose a great deal of danger, if fresh and raised/killed cleanly. It's the western culture of unbridled excess that is unhealthy.
Too much sugar fat meat and food for entertainment/ fulfillment. For a self absorbed and shallow indulgent passtime of stimulation to fill an empty life.

Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to... make ethanol.

Or maybe we could shine the light on Greenpeace for wanting to with-hold "biotech" grain from Africans.

As for the vegan know-it-alls, they're plant murderers. And other meat eating species get a pass? 

obviously the former comment was by something that didn't read the part about GMO contamination.
A technology that should never have been under anything less than a class 4 bio-lab containment facility and is now spreading *known and unknown consequences to our food chain.
Africa was wise to reject this poison technology as well as Europe was.

passivity in the face of a universal threat is our road to death and enslavement.
Peace is hard thankless work, against the current of Very Interested Parties; involved in malicious endeavor, in dark places, with the patronage of depravity in full support.
Each human, concerned about the prospects of a world without the horrors of hell that wars bring must do what ever their hands and love for our brothers and sisters, can possibly do.
Fear of going against the currents of a depraved authority is your only excuse. Those that fear telling the truth of their outrage against these depraved lies driving people to commit this hell, are the worst sort of cowards because they are afraid to realize their own common cause.

"Africa was wise to reject this poison"

And who are you to presume such? Are you a starving person whose life depends on Greenpeace? Did you dare stuff your face with caviar during yet another obscene United Nations summit held in Africa?

You're just as much a murderer as Greenpeace is.

There is room on earth for all of god's creatures, ------

right next to the baked potato.

"As for the vegan know-it-alls, they're plant murderers. And other meat eating species get a pass?"

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As a vegetarian for nearly a quarter of a century, I'm not against other species, or even indigenous people, eating meat. I consider it a part of nature--even if I personally don't like it.

Our society doesn't produce meat (or much of anything else for that matter) in a sustainable--much less sane--way.

As for eating fruits and vegetables, I don't feel that it's murdering an orange tree to pick oranges or a tomato plant to pick tomatoes. However, our current ways of growing these plants does result in the clearing of rain forests (so yes, plant life is being murdered in that way), and our irrigation techniques are lowering the water table in the mid-west. There are many other environmental--as well as humanitarian consequences--because of modern farming. That's why I grow as much of my own food as possible, and buy the rest at farmers' markets.

Again, I'm hard-pressed to think of anything that modern society does in a sane and sustainable way. I don't pretend to have all the answers (and I'm dubious about the idea of everyone having to exercise the exact same values), but there are a lot of alternatives which, IMO, are vastly superior to what we have.

Aren’t humans amazing Animals? They kill wildlife - birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed.

Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them. This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - - health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer.

So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions of more animals to look for cures for these diseases.

Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals.

Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for "Peace on Earth."


~Revised Preface to Old MacDonald’s Factory Farm by C. David Coates~

Check out this informative and inspiring video on why people choose vegan: http://veganvideo.org/

Also see Gary Yourofsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo

Fargue is not telling you that GMOs tie the farmer to chemical intensive, low yield crops and yearly seed purchases to a toxic crop involving never before encountered poisons to the animal species on Earth.
They weren't blackmailed for a poison ruination to their seed crops and general health.
"Did you dare stuff your face with caviar during yet another obscene United Nations summit held in Africa? "
No.
Were you; under the patronage of Monsanto?

Oil News!

Good News for a Change

Addison


The following article and its associated weblinks sure make you think:
About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes brothers was the guest.
The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct
answer; how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?"
Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "More than all the Middle East put together."
The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming,
but man was it big! It was a revised report (which had not been updated since 1995) on how much oil was
in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota , western South Dakota , and eastern Montana .....

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to eliminate
all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels.

Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable. At $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.
"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor.
They had no idea." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst..

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports The Gazette.

It's a formation known as the Pittsburgh Post Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'
It stretches from Northern North Dakota and into Canada .
For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end.
Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.
However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.
We now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels
will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight. And if THAT didn't throw
you on the floor, then this next one should - because the information is from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006
Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world.
It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.
three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted.
With this 'mother lode' of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news:
We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:
8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia - 18-times as much oil as Iraq - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait - 22-times as
much oil as Iran - 500-times as much oil as Yemen and it's all right here in the Western United States HOW can this BE?
HOW can we NOT BE extracting this?

Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil!

And costing lives...

Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy. James Bartis, lead researcher with the study
says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped..

That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find?

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

simple.
In order to keep prices high, the cracking plants were bought out and shut down to cause a choke point and an excuse for high prices to be blamed on the environmental movement.

"Why mewl of "poisonous" grain when those Africans were dying anyway?"

kinda shows who is concerned about what, eh? So the answer is make a buck in the process while ensuring a future market under tight control by a very interested corporation? One that leads, to a ruined agri-resource as we are already seeing here with the same GMO trail of bee die-offs, hyper allergic histaminic, sterility inducing poisons?
Like you give a FF.
Go stuff yer own face with caviar as well as Monsanto's scrotum.

"Go stuff yer own face with caviar as well as Monsanto's scrotum"

Looks like some people get a little testy when they're trounced in debate.

and you can't even defend your position. Yada, you're carrying more chain than you can swim with.
And since Israel needs to have us do their fighting, I can see how *concerned* you are about an American rejection of Israel's wars.

null response from the Israeli propaganda services.
Now turned into a spitting, squealing noise source bereft of any counter to the spot light on its raging psychopathic reflexive spasms of pique.
Fight your own wars, you squealing zionazi...so we can watch Hezbollah kick your ass again.
So you can run like routed chickens into your own mine fields... again.

well now, 3rd grade graphics to further the Warpig squeal of our Race Baiting Israeli propaganda farm.
While trying to push a poison food crop on an extorted population...
Oh yeah, and of course; blame someone else for it.

This is a test to see if "bullshit trophy" will again be stripped from the Google address.

greenpeace "bullshit trophy"

Citing compromised organizations is known as a strawman argument.
The GMOs are still toxic sterility inducing, seed slavery to a corporation. And you cannot counter the lower yield, higher cost results of this dangerous technology.
Food as a weapon is an old concept on which Monsanto knows all too well. what other nonsense...
"Sustainable Development Network (SDN)" is a fine foundation pushing the too many people/too few resources mantra of depopulation which brings a weird association to the Georgia Guide Stone genocide cult psychosis...and this is supposed to impress anyone?
If western CIA and not wanting to forget our junior expendable 51st state, Israel, would cease meddling in their affairs by arming all the hostile tribal communities, they would have some time and crops to feed themselves.

""Or maybe we could shine the light on Greenpeace for wanting to with-hold "biotech" grain from Africans. "
since the last comment was hidden, I'll try again to relate the answer to the previous question.
I think you'll find Monsanto behind the effort to push their poisonous gene altering crops, which still produce sterility, into the third wold.
Also hidden was the comment about CIA / Mossad involvement in disrupting the food distribution by funding inter-tribal conflicts by arming these parties. War always results in the costs, the non combatant pays. In blood and hunger and death.

what the hell do I know about what goes on
why don't you tell us about theIsraeli Warpig propaganda farm in all its mysteries; using racism, mostly, to keep the folks from seeing the very particular source of this particular assault.
hmmmmmm?
You know, of course, that Israel is expendable to Wall Street.
If it can generate a new market!

wow graphics for idiots
Did I not just state the major quill in the basket of snakes is constant Israeli instigated Race Bating?
Many times many places.
You see certain individuals who have claimed superiority, are no longer human.
They are the enemy of the tribes of man.

I know one individual who loves war, but hates fighting...
Isn't that why is real needs our American kids for your personal problems with psychotic racial superiority? Oh hell, without hate, you'd deflate like a wet paper bag, losing all its hot air and so would is real.

I just made another error in language because I'm not godly enough for the readership but merely a humble unpaid, critic of "desperation on the cusp of madness"...
I said
-I know one individual who loves war, but hates fighting... -
but meant Yada just another coward who never put its miserable excuse for a obsessive petty petulant life, on the service of where it's flapping its keyboard lips from.
Behind drawn blinds I'm sure.

First of all, war means profit.
Terrific profit for the investors and banking families that live off the huge stock blocks they control in Wall Street. And with the global economy imploding, the need for another war, to distract from the growing level of poverty and to impel higher taxation, a enemy needs to be manufactured. So in a sense, the real enemy needs a phony enemy upon which to focus our despair and anger and hence we have the poison propaganda services working overtime to foment hate and division.
When they are the real enemy to most of us.

we sure would all be surprised if our Israeli noise source was able to stay on topic about all the pins knocked out of each and every inanity brought up to squeal in protest about the horror of peace.