Media and Public Update: Rally Against Hate on October 24 in Riverside

A Riverside rally at 10 am on October 24 sponsored by dozens of community organizations will express "rejection of Nazi intolerance, racism and violence," reports Kevin Akin, spokesman for the community coalition. Nazis from the "National Socialist Movement" (NSM) have announced that they will be demonstrating in Riverside on Saturday, October 24, and the coalition intends to show that the Inland Empire rejects the Nazis.

"Our rally will be entirely peaceful," states Akin. "We will rally on the other side of the street from the Nazis, and we have been assured that there will be a large enough police presence to keep the Nazis from crossing the street. We will have an orderly, peaceful, disciplined demonstration, and will not permit anyone to participate who engages in violence or attempts to provoke violence. Our message is too important to let disruptions draw attention away from it." He says that the message will be conveyed through chants, singing, and signs in both English and Spanish. Some of the signs being prepared feature such slogans as "Tolerance Yes, Hatred No," and "Inland Area Rejects Nazi Hate."

At the same time as the community rally at Madison Street and Indiana Avenue, a picnic and play event for children will be held four blocks away at Villegas Park. When the Nazis leave, the demonstrators will march to Villegas Park and hold a "victory rally" with live music. Organizers ask that children not attend the rally at Madison and Indiana, but stay with a relative or guardian at Villegas Park until the march arrives. Demonstrators are urged to park at or near Villegas Park and walk to the rally. Organizers ask that each person bring a can or box of food to donate to local food banks, and put the food in collection boxes at Villegas Park.

Akin reports that organizers have been in contact with the Riverside Police Department and have secured permission to use the bandstand area at Villegas Park from the Riverside Parks and Recreation Department. He estimates that "about 40 monitors will help keep the demonstration orderly and effective." Final details of the "Rally Against Hate" will be settled at a meeting of representatives of sponsoring organizations on Wednesday, Akin reports.

For more information: Kevin Akin (951) 787-0318, cell (951) 675-2813 kevinakin1950@hotmail.com

this sounds lame.

definitely doesn't seem like it's going to be the same
nor with the same energy and excitement.

thanks for working with the cops
and ruining the chance for bigots and idiots
to get what's coming to them.

We should be following the suit of europe and other countries.
Nazis are usually scared as fuck to come out because mass amounts
of anti-authoritarians and anti-nazis come out and beat the fuck out
of them.

you think hitler could've been stopped by peaceful protest?
working with HIS police?

sad.
just sad.

but unfortunately the leader of the German communist party decided it was beneath their organization's 'name' to rally in mass peacefully against the Nazi party when the putch came.

there's no way to peaceably stop those who are insane.

the best way to stop a racist or serial killer is to use force.

some people don't know any history.
Although the overclass would like an excuse to wage brutality on the 'high' ground as a response to some hot head.
Or provocateur.

you certainly don't know history either.

ghandi was a racist, misogynistic asshole.

based on ghandi's rhetoric and beliefs (including his actual writings)
he actually believed that the jews during the holocaust should "convert
the hearts of their violent opponents" by "dying with courage and compassion on their lips". seriously? what the fuck is that?

If those statements he believed contained a shred of evidence to support it, the Nazis would have quickly stopped.

You know what he also said?
In WW II as Japan invaded Myanmar, Gandhi recommended that if India were invaded, the Japanese should be allowed to take as much as they want.

Gandhi also urged the British to surrender to the Nazis, and recommended that instead of fighting back, both Czechs and Jews should have committed suicide.

In 1946, with full knowledge of the extent of the Holocaust, Gandhi told his biographer Louis Fisher, "The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs"

I'm not making this shit up.

You know how there are some people whose work you're supposed to respect because everyone else seems to? And you know how at least with some of these people your respect fades over time, slowly, with each new piece of information you gain? That's how it was with me and Gandhi. I lost a lot of respect when I learned some of the comments I've mentioned here. I lost more when I learned that because he opposed Western medicine, he didn't want his wife to take penicillin, even at risk to her life, because it would be administered with a hypodermic needle; yet this opposition did not extend to himself: he took quinine and was even operated on for appendicitis. I lost yet more when I learned that he was so judgmental of his sons that he disowned his son Harilal (who later become an alcoholic) because he disapproved of the woman Harilal chose to marry. When his other son, Manilal, loaned money to Harilal, Gandhi disowned him, too. I lost even more when I found out he refused to have sex with his wife for the last 38 years of their marriage. I lost even more when I found out that in order to test his commitment to celibacy, he had beautiful young women lie next to him naked through the night: evidently his wife - whom he described as looking like a "meek cow" - was no longer desirable enough to be a solid test.

Is that enough truth for all you Gandhi heads out there?

No matter his personal foibles, he managed to throw the god damn Brits the hell out.
Not bad for a colonial conquest. Take heed.

HE didn't manage to throw the brits out.

THE PEOPLE OF INDIA did.

And that included folks who used BOTH violent and nonviolent tactics.

but it WAS under the leadership of Gandhi and the damn Brits WERE kicked out, despite their military superiority, through non violent passive resistance.
Even when the British began their usual funding of violent sub groups to justify the repression that only solidified the masses against their occupation.
Take heed, Israel.

Don't know where the hell this discussion went but
solidarity with those willing to bash the fash!

Give 'em a good whipping today.
Pacifists are alright until they enforce their
beliefs on others.

Diversity of tactics!

why is it that the government needs provocateurs?
Like the feds who dressed in 'anarchists' and initiated the police violence at numerous protests to allow the media to selectively show the TV watching herd how DANGEROUS these protesters were.

which protests are you talking about?

they'll place agent provacteurs in protests either to watch and wait for protesters to do property damage and then easily catch them or sometimes to provoke the police and give pretext for mass arrests.

Of course, they usually do this if they feel they have something to gain
by doing so.

If people are worried about them being there at a Nazi rally?...well...I don't think the police have anything to gain by provoking tension between the nazis and antifascists, however they would have something to gain by slipping people in the antifascists numbers to catch folks in case they decide to attack the nazis.

if the police initiated conflict between the nazis and antifa using agent provacteur...it would pretty much get a lot of people to go crazy and fuck some nazis up, so i don't think it'd be in the police's best interest to do so in this situation

well, there's this:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=27532
or

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/politics-government/24890-cops-dressing-anarchists-insighting-violence-peaceful.html
oh hell, just do a search
cops dressed as anarchists
we need to insure a discipline among our masses.
And prepare for these tactics.

Doesn't that go against the very idea of anarchy,

shit

for

brains?

I never understood how anarchists can hold any society against an organized threat. And they provide a pool of individuals who really have no idea what anarchism is about in its history and ideals.

i don't like authoritarian government either but a framework of open popular driven ( as opposed to corporate ) mandates addressing the needs of the majority ( as opposed to a degenerate tiny minority )are required to begin a cultural evolution toward a free society; unfettered by psychopaths like yourself, Yada.

[ previous spasm as an example of hurt feelings? ]
and this has what to do with quashing the Nazis in Riverside?
And organizing to prevent false flag ops by the cops?
Not much. But we see you in pain...

this is tiresome, reading your empty noise, Yada.
But it's instructive to learn all the tactics of distraction and division by using you as a prime example.

folks... if ya see one of these, stay clear and watch; they're REAL easy to spot.

sounds like fascism.

anarchism is a set principles in which to organize projects and societies.
(self-determination, autonomy, free association, mutual aid, direct democracy, consensus, etc)

In fact, a lot of these principles have been put into practice over the course of our existence on this planet. Many tribes and hunter gatherer societies (as well as agrarian societies) have been organized among either the same or similar principles.

(Check out the books Caliban & the Witch and Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology)

Anthropological evidence is OVERWHELMING in showing that people have organized themselves for the last 200,000 years along communist anarchist lines (of course not explicitly, that's just stupid)

However, this doesn't mean everything was all gravy and perfect. There is and will always be conflict, drama, problems that arise. This
shouldn't stop us and it never has stopped us in trying to reach utopia.

(When I say communist I mean real communism, in non-hierarchical egalitarian, communal ways where sharing is promoted and normal)

Solidarity with those arrested today.
Fuck fascism and nazis.
Proud of everyone who came out to throwdown.

Being organized, in the true sense of the word is fascism?
It's called discipline and all successful movements require it.
Fascism is another thing entirely.
You're not discussing discipline, but a cult following from indoctrination, like the SA. External discipline rather than internal discipline against these same indoctrinated sociopaths.

if you even remotely read anything i said and used some basic logic
(how old are you?), you'd understand that I don't believe being organized is fascism. Think of the logic and position you are taking (or maybe it's not you but the person i'm criticiziing)

"insuring discipline among the masses"

mistake number #1: treating people like masses.
that's the same crude logistics that dictators, kings, and nobles
have used since feudalism and capitalism.

and what do you mean by discipline?
who gets to decide that?

look into the recent RNC/DNC and G20 protests
"formats" or "organizing structures" were devised egalitarianly in
open meetings so that people could plug into the protests and
be able to do their thing while meeting the points of unity.
If that's the type of "discipline" you're referring to then i'm all for it
but if you're referring to a group of people, behind closed doors,
who claim to have the wisdom and knowledge to decide for everyone
else how we should protest or what we should do, then fuck you.

One minor note, the formats that were devised were very loose and open and but still structured so that people could still have grounds
for working together and being loosely united. Similar to a federation.
They were also open to a DIVERSITY OF TACTICS.

I don't care whether you agree or disagree with protesting the rnc/dnc/g20 or whether you thought it was a sucess or not.
I'm solely using this as an example to show what i agree with if you
have to use the word "discipline" and what i don't agree with.

fuck, i have to make things so simple so that maybe, just maybe you
won't read what i type with foggy lenses.

where the HELL did you read that into what I said.
"If that's the type of "discipline" you're referring to then i'm all for it
*but if you're referring to a group of people, behind closed doors,
who claim to have the wisdom and knowledge to decide for everyone*
else how we should protest or what we should do, then fuck you. "

obviously, you are not reading what *I've* been saying and are confabulating boogy men when there is only darkness.
Go ahead, be a mob of white noise, all shouting, no one listening.
Unified tactics don't mean anything more than the message being sent.
Want to scare the overclass? Get your act together and stop trying to tell people to "fuck off" when you don't even understand what someone is saying.

i said if you're idea of discipline is that.
but clearly you're not even going to bother to define that.
keep committing logical fallacies.

by the way, i disagree that "unified tactics are nothing more than
the message being sent". It's also how you're unified and the way
you organize that matters as well. If you're saying that all that matters
is the message, i disagree.

I myself find that most of the fellow protesters are unwilling to agree [ sure, it can be in a "behind closed doors" situation for the sake of security or even in the open ] to do actions that present The Message { we are the many and we WANT THIS ALTOGETHER } in a unified manner like the Unions do, at least going to the effort to be wearing some symbol of unified organization to show the fist going in the same direction at the same target.
The knowledge that the mob is no longer a mob but an Army { don't pull my pud about authoritarian command chains cause this is about an Army of consensus) unwilling to be distracted and therefore diffused.
Discipline will provide the dread they ( you know the overclass echelons ) need to wet themselves, in such a Spanish type revolt; ( not being DISTRACTED by the false terror event 'cause of their enlightened familiarity of the games being played ) the MASSES sure kicked the plug out of that little maneuver by not falling for the Madrid bombings; and that was Mental Discipline.
Is that more clear to you?

It's clear that you're a rambling schizophrenic.

And how's those donations coming, you pathetic freeloader? You went to Cleveland and cried like a baby that johnk dismissed your sexual overtures, and now you're back as if nothing happened, making post after nonsensical post.

Have mental illness, will travel, right?

by foggy lenses Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 at 3:45 PM

by kinda twisted Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 at 4:18 PM

by truly diluted Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM

There's more, of course, but let's leave some room for the joy of discovery.

I understand better what you mean by discipline.
I still disagree with you and that type of movement "discipline" thinking.
I'm not really interested in pleading to the overclass for the things I want
and desire. I think it's up to us to make that happen on a local and personal level.

I guess we can agree to disagree.
I don't really feel like discussing this anymore.
I think we've reached the end of this topic
and run the risk of dialoguing about even more broad
topics but I think we both have different perspectives of how
to make change and "revolution". Which I think is fine.
I also don't want to talk anymore about this online because I
feel we'd run the risk of 20 more sidetracking ridiculous comments.

I'm just glad the Nazis were routed and that at least some meaningful
connections were made between people.