The rally in front of FOX sprung from the fact that the majority of Americans actually do support meaningful Healthcare reform that includes a Public Option. This fact appears to this group to be largely ignored by major media, especially FOX. This motivated local groups to organize a rally at FOX TV Center in a strong show of support for Healthcare reform with a Public Option. The FOX news desk was contacted to cover the protest right outside their door, but replied they will probably be too busy reporting on the current fires.

Among signs and banners supporting health care reform, there were also two large banners at the rally that expressed long simmering anger towards FOX News consistently covering what many describe as misinformation skewed heavily to the right. They read: " FOX News is Bad for Our Health" and "Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity - Now there's a Death Panel".

Link to Photos:
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss290/junebloom/Fox%20rally/?albumview=slideshow

They drew numerous honks of approval and thumbs up from the many passing motorists on their homeward commute. "Let's do this again next week!" arose from one conversation amongst a few and then spread through the group as a plan to make their protest at this location heard again at 5pm next Tuesday, at least by the throngs of commuters on this busy boulevard, if not by FOX.

FOX News recently took out an ad in the Washington Post chastising the other stations for not covering the anti-Obama Tea Parties that advocate stopping health care reform. The other stations refuted that claim. In sharp contrast, a rising groundswell of frustration is being felt nationally by the "silent majority" of Americans that support reform with the participation of the government, and are unhappy with the current system of health care being controlled by for-profit insurance companies. They feel silent due to feeling that the media is not covering their side of the story.

Attendees included local working residents, activists, nurses and doctors who briefly spoke to the crowd about their strong support for Public Option. They shared personal experiences of numerous patients being denied urgently needed care or having no coverage at all and suffering terribly from it. Such stories are wide spread and easy to find yet largely ignored in the ongoing debate and by coverage by major media sources. Absurd claims about death panels, socialized nazi medicine, unconstitutionally raising taxes and government rationing of care gobble up airtime on nearly all channels.

Dr. Jane George, in a speech at the rally, cited a study by New England Journal of Medicine survey that showed over 62% of respondents of a random sample drawn from AMA's Physician Masterfile support a Public Option as a part of healthcare reform. .

Dr. Casey Kirkhart spoke firsthand of seeing numerous patients' painful experience from not getting the care they need for major and minor health concerns. His own personal story includes anxiety over getting coverage for his family due to exorbitant cost and the likelihood of being denied coverage for little or no reason which is common place in our current system.

Other participants were very outspoken in their support for Public Option:

"A public option is just that, an option for people to choose if they cannot get affordable health care through insurance companies. Pundits and so-called cable news programs who gain viewers by scaring people with distortions and lies are doing the country a disservice. According to the World Health Organization, America is 37th in the world in health care outcomes, behind countries like Canada, the UK and France, which is number one. More than 80% of Americans support a public option. Let's not allow scare mongering and deceit from the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to supersede the will of the American people!" Leslie Berliant, Verdecology

"The location of this rally is what pulled people here. You really nailed it with Fox!" -
- Joni Burns, local resident


"I went to the Moveon.org rally earlier today in downtown LA, there were about 400 people there! I'm gathering footage for a documentary that I will submit to Sundance."
-Jon Raymond, filmmaker On the Street Films


Many from the group spoke of their preference for a Single Payer system wherein the government directly pays private caregivers and hospitals for healthcare that is available to all who need it. Medicare is a successful form of Single payer here in the US and it is the only delivery system for healthcare in Australia, Canada and Taiwan. It is interesting to note that they all rate much higher over the US in quality of care while we are #1 in terms of cost both per capita and as a percentage of GDP. "The Public Option is like taking care of someone with a nail in their foot by leaving in the nail and cleaning and bandaging the wound. It does nothing to significantly lower costs, help people avoid bankruptcy due to medical bills it does not pull out the nail!" said Maureen Cruise, RN who also spoke to the crowd.

I have a 14" abdominal scar from a surgery done this March. I am not a tattoo persn, but would be willing to get a price tag tattooed next to it saying "$71,000.00" if it would help the cause.

A little Fox News Derangement and claims that 62 percent of some "survey" means a majority might be meaningful agitprop at least to the usual knee-jerk crowd pf uneducated pansies around here.

I am certainly uneducated but take exception to being called a pansie. After all I watch UFC all the time.

Really? From the quality of your post I had you figured as a Vince McMahon kind of guy.

Quality of my post....now that's funny....good stuff...razor sharp...OUCH that stings....... Actually Benny "the Jet" Urquidez is more my style.

Haa Haa.... What's the matter? Your entry level telemarketing gig just not working out?

What's with the yawn inducing Fox News Derangement, Brainiac?

And how does 62 percent of something make a majority?

Bonus Round: why doesn't Obama or any of his propagandists ever refer to the negatives of Socialist health "care", such as the horror stories of Canada and the UK?

I never ever hear "here's how our proposed system will be different from Canada and the UK". I don't guess I'll ever get a straight answer from Socialist politicians or their hip and kewl acne crippled groupies, eh?

Do you suppose that if the threat of one year in jail or a fine of 25k is brought up that the acne cripples will acknowledge it?

And does that 62 percent "majority" even know of such a threat?

And to make matters worse, others say the threat is only 1,090 dollars from the iRS. Bottom line is that we're not getting the whole story either from the politicians or raw sewage the likes of Rodger Caldwell that's posting the propaganda.

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Flout_the_mandate_penalty_Face_the_IRS.html?showall

What kind of a retarded loon actually watches FOX, and what kind of fucking moron actually believes anything the right wing traitors say?

FOX isn't news. It's corporate neo-Nazi propaganda.

"corporate neo-Nazi propaganda"

Been sloganeering long, Brainiac?

What's with the yawn inducing Fox News Derangement, Brainiac?
Yes that’s correct. FOX + News = Derangement

And how does 62 percent of something make a majority?
62% of AMA physicians support Healthcare reform w/ Public Option.

Bonus Round: why doesn't Obama or any of his propagandists ever refer to the negatives of Socialist health "care", such as the horror stories of Canada and the UK?
Perhaps we have a bounty of horror stories right here in the US that we can do something about. Let Canada and the UK take care of their own.

I never ever hear "here's how our proposed system will be different from Canada and the UK". I don't guess I'll ever get a straight answer from Socialist politicians or their hip and kewl acne crippled groupies, eh? Read the Bill.



slapping around an entry level propagandist
by slapping around an entry level propagandist Friday, Sep. 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Do you suppose that if the threat of one year in jail or a fine of 25k is brought up that the acne cripples will acknowledge it? Is that all you got? Is THAT ALL YOU GOT? Did you think it was going to be free? You look really tired.

And does that 62 percent "majority" even know of such a threat?
62 percent of AMA physicians agree probably even more dentists.
And to make matters worse, others say the threat is only 1,090 dollars from the iRS. Bottom line is that we're not getting the whole story either from the politicians or raw sewage the likes of Rodger Caldwell that's posting the propaganda.
If you can’t pay the dime, don’t due the crime. Just pitch in your fair share like the rest of us and everything will be OK

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Flout_the_mandate_penalty_Face_the_IRS.html?showall

Really, for almost a decade the indymedia has run on nothing but the sorriest plain vanilla software ever devised. You'd think that the leftists, who self anoint themselves as "intellectuals", who are the smartest childminds on the planet and they'll tell you so, could in those years at least add a way to edit your comment at least during the first few minutes of posting.

Oh well, the software is so pedestrian that it can't read your IP address either. snicker snort harhar

That said, I wanted to slap around the propagandist some more. What was the purpose in dropping the name of Hawking?

Hawking happens to be in the big chair, so to speak, at Cambridge. Now it just happens to be in the UK, but if the aforementioned mental defective is going to invoke Hawking's name than it should understand that Hawking could most likely have afforded health insurance or got it as part of his employment package.

Hawking, being what he is, has a better chance than most of the people that the asswipe propagandist here is supposedly championing.

Part of me wants to say that the propagandist asswipe knows that, but a bigger part sees it as profoundly stupid, just another faceless tool of the DNC.

Sure Hawkings can afford healthcare NOW that he is a professor and world famous genius, but what about when he was a kid? Do you really think he could have gotten the special education and special healthcare he required in the US on his moms meager salary? I doubt it. But he got it in England. I lived there and used their Nat'l health system and got great care. I have also lived in France and Sweden and gotten great care there. Sure there are always healthcare horror stories, but there are a lot more (percentage wise) here than there are in any other western society.

We rate 33rd and France rates first in a study by the World Health Association. They don't know from left or right, they just report facts.

Facts... you know those things that have nothing to do with anything Fox News reports.

Remember the mental cripple who said that Canada and the UK can take care of its own?

It's been a staple for years of Canadians coming here for health care. Wasn't there a woman who came here to have her baby because Canadian obstetrical care was so abysmally slow?

Waiting for the acne farmer Caldwell to respond....

"If you can’t pay the dime, don’t due the crime. Just pitch in your fair share like the rest of us and everything will be OK "

According to the Orwellian logic of Rodger Caldwell, if you're poor, then you're a criminal.

Leftists always beat their chests like pious gorillas, claiming to be for the poor, so what's up with this shit?

You are one bitter, fearful, cowardly little man aren't you.

We bid you adieu. You may continue your profane, bile spewing discourse for as long as you wish, by yourself....or you could get a life.

yeah... Yada simply can't drop the Tourrett's and you know about OCD in the way of psychosis, transference and projection that run wild inside its walls of insanity.
The people want health care without the vultures of profit motivated, private insurance.
It's that plain.

Yes, it's been made plain by many of the so called 'town meetings".

the town meetings, in spite of the media spin were fairly unified in the level of rejection to the 500 billion Obama wants to gouge out of medicare and the mandatory contributions to *private* insurance companies.
All of which are up to their ass (hanging in high wind) in derivatives with looted assets who will gouge while with-holding as much service as possible..

Is that even remotely part of what's behind the ineptitude of Canada and the UK?

Could someone allocate the money for a tooth extraction, for example, and hold onto it for a few months to reap a couple of points of interest? That of course wouldn't be much, but in the course of a year, and with billions of dollars on paper...

The left certainly hates capitalism until there's money to be made. They're as big as thief as their portrayal of the right (and neither side is to be trusted at all).

the health insurance industry is a scam and perhaps the administrative employees of said institutions should find real jobs while a Tobin tax on Wall Street transactions would fund it.
Everybody except Wall Street pays sales tax.

Aren't you referring to the pre-teen "editor" who hides comments in order to protect you gossamer skinned emotional cripples from confronting patterns on a computer screen?

Health care, basic housing, nutrition and education are the primary points of strength in any society that reports it is concerned with the "general welfare" of the citizens.
We have an example of separation between the interests of the very few Wall Street controllers and the interests of what I call the host populations.
There is always the tendency of these controllers to cannibalize the social support structures to divert resources to military and other waste production, transferring the product of labor and materials; wealth, to the grasp of this elite micro-minority as 'defense' budgets ( watch those stocks climb in open ended projects for needless and dangerous weapon systems ) scavenge the treasury, leaving smaller and smaller crumbs for the New Deal safety nets, this degenerate clique of thugs is tearing to shreds.

More of the same old tired class warfare shit from a dime a dozen pre-teen sloganeering retard.

Apparently the Orwellian sewage that claims to worry about my health but is also the party of abortion and euthanasia, aren't aborting themselves in sufficient numbers, hence there's too many of the "elite".

In other words, they're reproducing. They're too fucking stupid to keep their knees together, nor their mouths shut..

not so tired, if folks are up in arms about it.
Sure class warfare is old, sherlock. Pick up your goody gold star.

I wonder what the mentally challenged propagandist Rodger G. Caldwell would say of the "Million Med March"?

 

Five Principles

1. Ultimately, medical decisions need to be made by doctors and their patients. Empower the patient to take control of their own healthcare through free market solutions. By allowing the patient to engage directly with their primary care physician, a large portion of routine and preventative care can be accomplished without the interference of a middleman.
2. No legislation should become law without serious tort reform. We spend $400 billion a year for coverage, representation and settlements as a profession. No serious legislation that aims at lowering healthcare costs can be considered if this principle is overlooked.
3. Insurance can be made more affordable by eliminating state monopolies and allowing the portability of health insurance across state lines. By uncoupling health insurance from employers patients will have the ability to control their own coverage. These methods create competition, which is the only true way to drive down healthcare costs.
4. Transform the reimbursement and billing systems that are strangling our practices. 35% of healthcare costs are spent for administrative purposes only and are erroneously raising the cost that are eventually being passed on to our patients. We need a simplified transparent reimbursement system.
5. End the National Practitioner Data Bank and other entities that are unfairly censuring doctors without due-process. These practices are a financial burden to the healthcare system and result in billions of dollars spent on litigation.

source link

Eliminate the insurance medical cartels who fix rates to provide a profit for administrative overburden.

All medical services to be provided by independent physician care at scale of cost savings only single payer can provide by non profit government depts like the Dept of Agriculture.

Save lives by providing GREATER tort claims on medical incompetence and the AMA's stranglehold on alternative treatments

You should find another job as something besides an insurance 'provider' propagandist.

"Save lives by providing GREATER tort claims on medical incompetence and the AMA's stranglehold on alternative treatments

You should find another job as something besides an insurance 'provider' propagandist.'

Funny you brought up the AMA, you pathetic brain dead bitch. So are you on my side or Caldwell's?

On on my, and all the other sane people of the world's side ya burnt out *paranoid* psychopath.

On on my, and all the other sane people of the world's side ya burnt out *paranoid* psychopath.

You can almost hear the drool splattering on the concrete floor of the asylum. 

personal problems in Yada's little acorn, displayed for all to see.
Health care could include mental illnesses like paranoia.

"If you can’t pay the dime, don’t due the crime. Just pitch in your fair share like the rest of us and everything will be OK "

 No wonder shitferbrains/Prion Partyy had to chime in. It's Caldwell. Who else could possibly be so fucking stupid that they can't even spell do?!? And who else could be so fucking stupid that they'd condemn one of their most cherished totems, the poor, to score points with their White Guilt overseers?

 

Toe jam has more intelligence than a leftist.

As has been said, leftists don't really and truly care for the poor. They care about power. Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism....  wherever there's oppression and mass murder, there's a leftist. 

 

"If you can’t pay the dime, don’t due the crime. Just pitch in your fair share like the rest of us and everything will be OK "
 

 

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail

Washington, Nov 6 -

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail.  The JCT letter  makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said:  “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail.  It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses.  Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties.  The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration.  Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates.  Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

The republicans want to eliminate all public health systems and the democrats want to charge you to preserve the on going rapine of the insurance companies.
But they both want to screw the general public.

You really are a shit for brains.

we all know how much the Darlings of the republicans want to preserve; no, IMPROVE the role of Medicare... as they strangle it to death. Show me a republican who is for any public option.
It's just that the Democrats are such duplicitous asses. They both belong to Wall Street.