|
printable version
- js reader version
- view hidden posts
- tags and related articles
View article without comments
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
The Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalist made the decison to continue renting space to Gilad Atzmon- who is on record as calling the burning of synagogues a "rational act"
bfuu.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
A vigil was scheduled in front of the fellowship to declare that Berkeley citizens would not tolerate hate in their community
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu_6.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu_4_jim_harris.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu9.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu8.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu7.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu5.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by no hate speech in Berkeley
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 3:43 AM
bfuu3.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Protest at Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists June 8 2009
Report this post as:
by have you seen this?
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 4:26 AM
hamas_flag_at_bfuu.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Someone with a Hamas flag and a nasrallah t-shirt showed up to support Gilad Atzmon at the Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists
Report this post as:
by Unitarian
Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 at 5:26 PM
I am very disappointed that my fellowship made this very embarrassing decison simply because they did not want to break a contract. They did not think the group would actually protest a church. They were wrong. i apologize for my churches role in this event.
Report this post as:
by BFUU
Monday, Jun. 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM
hamas_supporter.jpg, image/jpeg, 604x404
Other sites indentify the hamas supporter as Stephen Pearcy, a Berkeley lawyer.
Only in Berkeley do the ruling elite support terror.
Report this post as:
by he has a repuation, apparently
Monday, Jun. 15, 2009 at 6:19 AM
Report this post as:
by pointer
Monday, Jun. 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM
shitferbrains has returned to the fold! Keep that sack of crap out of Cleveland.
Report this post as:
by Lord Locksley
Monday, Jun. 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM
armigerous@earthlink.net
....there are already enough 'steamers' in Cleveland without that shit
Report this post as:
by sit down for this one, folks
Thursday, Jun. 18, 2009 at 6:28 AM
Gilad Atzons own commentary on the Berkeley event: Sit down for this one, folks: http://palestinethinktank dot com/2009/06/16/gilad-atzmon-yearning-for-a-minyan/ " They are pointing their finger at themselves saying, “we are Zionists, we are a racist rightwingers, we are loud, proud and as you can see we are openly promoting our tribal interests.” (Well, actually the people protesting were progressive activists in the peace and justice movement embarrassed by the presence of hate speech in our community.) "I told my audience in Berkeley that the bunch of noisy people" (it was a silent protest) "whom they met in the entrance were crucial for the understanding of Zionism and its violence. The people out there were exactly the same people as the Israelis, they were motivated by the same supremacist ideas. They were using exactly the same intimidating tactics." (A silent protest is an intimidation technique? Quick, someone tell Dr. King! ) "They just lacked the means to put us all behind barbed wire, to starve us or to spread white phosphorus over our heads. The picketers in Berkeley were waving the Israeli flag and carried placards, they were foreign to the calm evening scene as much as their settler brothers are foreign to the hills of Judea and Samaria. " (There was only one "foreigner" on the scene. The rest of us were community activists) "They basically brought Israeli ugliness to an innocent Californian street. Funnily enough from a light PA system " (it was a radio. An old radio. Is this man clueless or what?) "they brought along they played some horrible Israeli folk music, they probably didn’t realise that I could recognise my saxophone and clarinet on most of these badly played and horribly arranged songs. " (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he complaining about the music and taking credit for it simutaneously?) "The night was a great success." (This certainly shows how utterly divorced from reality this man is. There were fewer people attending his concert than protesting it outside. That counts as a great success?)
Report this post as:
by Mr. Fix-it
Thursday, Jun. 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM
"They basically brought Islamic terrorist ugliness to an innocent Californian street"
Report this post as:
by pro-palestine
Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 5:44 PM
It's good to see that at least one guy was there brave enough to confront the extremist pro-Israel crowd.
Report this post as:
by pointer
Wednesday, Jun. 24, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Yeah, Sheepshit for brains is still lurking.
Report this post as:
by no hate in berkleey
Thursday, Jun. 25, 2009 at 1:12 AM
And of course, thats Bob Meola on the side against hate. I love Bob, though he gets a lot of grief as a quintessential Berkeley hippie. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=163653&title=marines-in-berkeley
www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=163653&tit...
Report this post as:
by Jewishconvert
Thursday, Jun. 25, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Thank you for your apology. As a convert to Judaism I most appreciate it.
What does bothers me is that church members were so rude and condemning of Voice for Israel, while I did not see any of them say anything to Steven Pearcy, who was holding the flag of Hamas. Hamas has been condemned as a terrorist group by the USA, Israel, Canada, the UN, and lots of other nations. It must have been embarassing to BFUU to have someone out there, holding such a flag while claiming to support them. Any reasonable person that a good deal of anti-Semitism exists at BFUU. I certainly don't mean to say that it is an official anti-Semitic organization, but at least one member was supportive of Atzmon's classical anti-Semitic arguments that Jews control the world's money.
Report this post as:
by info collector
Friday, Jun. 26, 2009 at 6:12 AM
It was shocking to many Unitarians that Bob Meola spoke on behalf of the pro-Israel lunatics. Meola usually holds himself out as a peace promoter, but he was clearly there supporting a group that supports killing babies in Gaza.
Kaiser pediatrician Michael L. Harris also supports Israel's murderous baby-killing policies, and I can't imagine any parent wanting to have a Dr. who has such a malignant respect for human life.
Report this post as:
by not Aryan fecal matter
Friday, Jun. 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM
You're referring to those babies we see dressed in suicide bomber regalia, of course.
Report this post as:
by only in Berkeley
Sunday, Jun. 28, 2009 at 5:03 AM
If Bob Meola and Jeff Blankfort are both protesting Gilad Atzmon, he must really be a horror.
Report this post as:
by Atzmon in Berkeley Redux
Thursday, Jul. 02, 2009 at 5:00 PM
The ripples generated by the Berkeley visit of the anti-Semitic activist Gilad Atzmon continue to cause some mal de mer among those who never imagined that inviting someone who calls burning down a synagogue "a rational act" would create problems. There will be a conclave in several weeks at which various activists, both pro- and anti-Israel, as well as members of the BFUU, will get together to review the controversy. I'm actually not expecting anything to come of it, except perhaps getting the BFUU contingent to recognize that the various and sundry published statements that constitute Atzmon's trail of slime really are old-style "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" anti-Semitism. I'm not holding my breath.
Now of course, Atzmon himself could not resist posting about his experience in Berkeley (while calling the Jewish religion a "cult" and himself a "proud self-hater"-- if Atzmon can readily admit that he hates Jews, why can't others take him at his word?) . Of course, with typical grandiosity he posits that (as a result of previous criticism by a number of prominent Jewish anti-Zionists who found his hard-core anti-Semitism too extreme for even THEM to tolerate) "my views were rather accepted in wide circles". I guess if you only travel among syncophants, you must find that everyone agrees with you!
Here's the core of Atzmon's rant:
"I do want Zionist tribal activists to expose their symptoms. I want them to shout and to point their finger at every person whom they suspect to be an anti-Semite. By doing so, all they achieve in practice is admitting who they are. They are pointing their finger at themselves saying, “we are Zionists, we are a racist rightwingers, we are loud, proud and as you can see we are openly promoting our tribal interests.” "
Well, at least Atzmon can generate a half truth: we WERE proud to admit who we are-- we are Zionists, we believe that the Jewish people, like any other people who share a unique history and a tie to a specific land, are entitled to self-determination in that land. To grant that right to all other peoples and deny it only to the Jewish people is the true racism here. Most of us actually are moderate leftists (the kind who vote Democratic, support issues like LGBT rights, etc.). Many of us support Palestinian rights of self-determination-- just not as the Palestinians and their extremist supporters define it, making the elimination of Jewish self-determination an indispensible part of their demand. Funny how Atzmon doesn't see it as a problem for Palestinians to advocate for what they see as their "tribal interests". Double standards, anyone?
"I told my audience in Berkeley that the bunch of noisy people whom they met in the entrance were crucial for the understanding of Zionism and its violence. The people out there were exactly the same people as the Israelis, they were motivated by the same supremacist ideas. They were using exactly the same intimidating tactics. They just lacked the means to put us all behind barbed wire, to starve us or to spread white phosphorus over our heads. The picketers in Berkeley were waving the Israeli flag and carried placards, they were foreign to the calm evening scene as much as their settler brothers are foreign to the hills of Judea and Samaria. They basically brought Israeli ugliness to an innocent Californian street. Funnily enough from a light PA system they brought along they played some horrible Israeli folk music, they probably didn’t realise that I could recognise my saxophone and clarinet on most of these badly played and horribly arranged songs. "
Intimidating tactics-- standing with flags and signs and playing music. To paraphrase one participant in the rally, if that is intimidation then Dr. King's efforts to desegregate America were also intimidation. And Atzmon is completely and knowingly disingenuous when he refers to the Israelis living in the West Bank-- to Atzmon and to his supporters, there is no difference between Tel Aviv and Hebron, because they don't accept a Jewish state anywhere. And frankly, I couldn't care less whether Atzmon can play Israeli folk music on his instruments or not. Given what he stands for, the Horst Wessel song is probably more appropriate for him.
"A young Palestinian man who stood near to me asked the picketers, “why do you insist upon living on my land?” A blue flag waver turned to him, he had a massive star of David hanging on his chest. Here is what he said, “because, Israel is our promised land, we were waiting for 2000 years…. And don’t forget the holocaust”. As stupid as it may sound, this is basically what the Zionist argument is all about: the promise, the bible, the yearning and then of course the holocaust. Add to this Zionist lethal dish a lot of American weapons and Western backing and you have a ‘Jewish only state’ pushing for a global war. Israel got away with all of it for too many years. But after Gaza, the tide is changing. People out there see it all. The resentment towards Israel is growing by the day. This is something that I see in my concerts and talks around the world. I could see it again in Berkeley, in spite of all the pressure those Zionist operators mounted on the church for weeks, the event went ahead according to plan. The night was a great success."
Well, Atzmon is being disingenous again. Having once been Israeli, he knows all to well that the answer is that Israel was not founded because of the Holocaust; as a matter of fact, the Holocaust delayed the process of Jews returning to their land--by purchase, and by legal immigration-- that was well underway before the start of the Second World War. And if Israel is a Jewish only state, how does it have Arab members of the Supreme Court, the Knesset, and the Foreign Service? Of course, the claim that Israel is pushing for "global war" is absurdity on its face--the Jewish people certainly fared really well in the last global war, didn't we?
Yes, perhaps his night was a great success. Another 2 dozen people came to hear his hate speech. And an equal number protested him outside. He most likely encouraged ongoing jihad against Israel. We sang songs of peace.
I'm going to Israel tomorrow. I'm going to see a country that is far from perfect, that has tension between its religious and secular elements, between those who ancestry is European and those whose families left (or to be accurate, mostly fled) from homes in the Arab world, and between its Jewish citizens and its Arab citizens. But, for all its faults, it has done an incredible job of absorbing refugees from countries where they were never granted basic rights (such as the right not to be slaughtered on any pretext), of building a state that is both Jewish and democratic, and of maintaining civil rights for its Arab minority even while its elected representatives in the Knesset refuse to accept Israel as a Jewish state. And all of this while under ongoing attack from its neighbors for decades. Yet those who want to destroy Israel claim that they would replace it with a democratic state in which an Arab majority would supposedly respect the rights of a Jewish minority. (Of course, the Islamic world is replete with examples of how minorities are treated-- Christians in Gaza, Bahai in Iran, Copts in Egypt. And we are to believe that somehow the hatred implanted into Palestinians from the vile incitement against Jews-- not only from Hamas but also from the Palestinian Authority-- would magically be eliminated?)
Atzmon can fester in his hatred. I'm going to celebrate the fact that there is indeed a Jewish country in the Jewish homeland--and that it's not at all the way that Atzmon describes and defames it.
www.bluetruth.net/2009/06/atzmon-in-berkeley-redux.html
Report this post as:
by The Bible is Mythology
Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 7:57 AM
A poster here wrote: "I'm going to celebrate the fact that there is indeed a Jewish country in the Jewish homeland."
Israel is a Colonial project of Western Imperialism which uses religion (Judaism) as an excuse for its aggression. The Israelis have stolen the land of the Palestinians and forced them into ghettoes. Israel is a Colonialist invasion and occupation and a racist, fascist Theocracy. Israel has no right to exist.
Report this post as:
by old but still new
Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at 8:10 AM
while israel terrorizes the trapped populations of Palestine, it waves the Hamas red herring, an organization created by the Mossad. How long will this rat state of murderous colonials continue to kill while the UN with it's pimp, the USA, looks the other way? I guess the answer is, as long as the zionist lobby keeps the payoffs coming in to our 'representatives'. From our tax money given to this rat enterprise.
Report this post as:
|