imc indymedia

Los Angeles Indymedia : Activist News

white themeblack themered themetheme help
About Us Contact Us Calendar Publish RSS
latest news
best of news




A-Infos Radio

Indymedia On Air

Dope-X-Resistance-LA List


IMC Network:

Original Cities africa: ambazonia canarias estrecho / madiaq kenya nigeria south africa canada: hamilton london, ontario maritimes montreal ontario ottawa quebec thunder bay vancouver victoria windsor winnipeg east asia: burma jakarta japan korea manila qc europe: abruzzo alacant andorra antwerpen armenia athens austria barcelona belarus belgium belgrade bristol brussels bulgaria calabria croatia cyprus emilia-romagna estrecho / madiaq euskal herria galiza germany grenoble hungary ireland istanbul italy la plana liege liguria lille linksunten lombardia london madrid malta marseille nantes napoli netherlands nice northern england norway oost-vlaanderen paris/Île-de-france patras piemonte poland portugal roma romania russia saint-petersburg scotland sverige switzerland thessaloniki torun toscana toulouse ukraine united kingdom valencia latin america: argentina bolivia chiapas chile chile sur cmi brasil colombia ecuador mexico peru puerto rico qollasuyu rosario santiago tijuana uruguay valparaiso venezuela venezuela oceania: adelaide aotearoa brisbane burma darwin jakarta manila melbourne perth qc sydney south asia: india mumbai united states: arizona arkansas asheville atlanta austin baltimore big muddy binghamton boston buffalo charlottesville chicago cleveland colorado columbus dc hawaii houston hudson mohawk kansas city la madison maine miami michigan milwaukee minneapolis/st. paul new hampshire new jersey new mexico new orleans north carolina north texas nyc oklahoma philadelphia pittsburgh portland richmond rochester rogue valley saint louis san diego san francisco san francisco bay area santa barbara santa cruz, ca sarasota seattle tampa bay tennessee urbana-champaign vermont western mass worcester west asia: armenia beirut israel palestine process: fbi/legal updates mailing lists process & imc docs tech volunteer projects: print radio satellite tv video regions: oceania united states topics: biotech

Surviving Cities africa: canada: quebec east asia: japan europe: athens barcelona belgium bristol brussels cyprus germany grenoble ireland istanbul lille linksunten nantes netherlands norway portugal united kingdom latin america: argentina cmi brasil rosario oceania: aotearoa united states: austin big muddy binghamton boston chicago columbus la michigan nyc portland rochester saint louis san diego san francisco bay area santa cruz, ca tennessee urbana-champaign worcester west asia: palestine process: fbi/legal updates process & imc docs projects: radio satellite tv
printable version - js reader version - view hidden posts - tags and related articles

Mary-Guadalupe Day ! Celebrate Dec.12 downtown

by maria j. Friday, Dec. 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Red Suited fat guys are not all that this season represents. In the land of deserts and conquerors, another honored person still exists, called Senora or Virgen, but always Guadalupe [ with familiarity and maternal warmth in her projected image]

December 12th is another way to celebrate our winter holidays. December 12th is the celebrated day/ of "Our Lady" or "Virgin", actually Tonantzin... and only later called "Guadalupe" by the Spaniards.

For a change, away from credit eating stores selling more stuff, discounted or just so-advertised, try another version of celebration. Go downtown to the church at La Plazaita, across from the commercialized Olvera street and enter where the hearts of Mexicans press together - families who bring their prayers, their flowers and candles, and show their beloved children to honor Nuestra Senora ["de las Americas", added later] Guadalupe.

Don’t wait for the commercialized, consumerist, propagandized, later day in December to celebrate.

Bring your own family down, by bus if you prefer, to La Plazita Church across from Olvera St. in downtown LA in the late afternoon and immerse yourself in an allied culture from near our own borders. Bring your children, your cameras, your appetite, and your curiosity. And a candle or flowers, too. Parking is in nearby lots. The experience will be exquisite. And fun!

But who is this special woman, the Guadalupe, the iconic image seen everywhere else also in LA ?

The story is essentially told like this =

that a special devotion to Guadalupe started almost 475 years ago when the image of a beautiful brown-skinned woman appeared to an Indian, Juan Diego, on Tepeyac hill near Mexico City.

Although it was December, the apparition, [later named ] "Guadalupe", told Juan Diego to take the Castilian roses she produced right there for him -- those roses which were out of season and not found in those arid lands in the cold winter. She told him to gather the beautifully blooming flowers in his cloak and to present them to the high Catholic bishop, to show them as a sign of her presence. She also requested that a temple be built in her name by the Catholics who were dominating the religious countryside.

Juan Diego had to return to the Spanish Bishop 3 times before he was given any credence. Then, finally, when the poor humble Indian unfolded his cactus-fiber cloak, the actual beautiful roses fell out and at the same time, miraculously, Guadalupe's image was emblazoned on his tilma - shirt -- and showing the dark-skinned Aztec princess, standing in front of the sun and on top of a crescent moon.

Juan Diego has been depicted as just one plain and humble man from the native population, and were preferably seen by their Spanish lighter-skinned rulers as ignornant peasants - being just a devout, andsubmissive people who repeatedly were only there to carrying out orders.

He was just allowed to deliver a message man-to-man to the ruling conquerors and their religious counter-parties. The princess apparently did not deign to appear or make herself known directly to those who now ruled these Mexican lands.

The Catholic version likes to claim that seven years after Guadalupe's apparition, some 8 million Indians were converted to their religion. Conversion may be the most important aspect of a religious group appropriating another group's apparitions, or a relevation, a visitation, and an actualization of a venerated figure, now a female ... and of more color.

Many people now still pray to her as a miracle worker no matter what they think about the formal Church where she has been appropriated. They will pray to Guadalupe even when they ostensibly must also pray to a grey-bearded God. Many mix their own traditional beliefs with the overlaid dominant Christian versions of who [all] rules the earth and heavens.

In 1754, 200 years after her noted sighting, Pope Benedict XIV declared that Our Lady of Guadalupe then patron of what was then called New Spain. Much later, in 1946, Our Lady of Guadalupe was also decreed as the Patroness of the Americas by the Catholic all-male hierarchy. In 2002, Juan Diego was canonized in the Basilica in Mexico City.

It is not clear if Guadalupe was ever herself actually canonized, or made a 'saint' instead of her messenger. However, she has obviously been fully appropriated as if she iss a saint or part of the religious iconography. How else could you explain the churches that incorporate her images and utilize the veneration given to her in their masses and prayers?

Some assume she must be the Virgin Mary of European depiction which seems to give more credence to theitaking what was not actually Christian at all as theirs. Who now is to say who Guadalupe actually is or was?

The main shrines of Guadalupe in Mexico D.F. had been preceded by the more indigenous temple on Tepeyac hill, honoring the earth and fertility goddess Tonantzin of that land - She represents our lady, our mother, who, like Our Lady of Guadalupe, was also associated with the moon. In pre-Hispanic times. That temple in Mexico D.F. has been the site of large scale pilgrimages or a long epoch.

The original temple, which was dedicated to the Queen of Tepeyacac, was built near where Juan Diego had seen he, it is said. . Tenochtitlan was the Aztec capital city prior to the arrival of the Spanish. The area was known then as Atzacualpa or Atzacualco.

It is written that most Mexican Catholics believe that Guadalupe was a manifestation of the Virgin Mary in their land, the Americas, yet this was not written down then by those Mexicans.

[So we now ask :

"how did the natives record this event or even make known her appearance or presence?

What media was used then?

Who depicted Guadalupe before the Catholics conquered and overlaid their story with their patriarchal dominant religious views and beliefs and with their parchment and ink ?

What was written over any original native recordings ?]"

Though Guadalupe is NOT recorded as A SAINT nor raised to special religious status, she is still defined, re-framed and utilized as a duplication and apparition of the same Holy Mary that Catholics already own for their own religious stories and carefully crafted histories of special December winter events. All female deities are frequently defined by the Christian stories of a mother with child, named Mary...all later ones related to their original venerated woman.

Guadalupe is also seen and described as the sorrowful mother, a figure who embodies the suffering of Mexican & Latina populations. Many woman identify with this image as understanding their sad and difficult lives a patriarchial male-dominated world. Even still today.

Interestingly, stories & controversy abound about the credibility of proof of Guadalupe’s visit. Some consider it miraculous that the tilma maintains its structural integrity after nearly 500 years, since replicas made with the same type of materials lasted only about 15 years before disintegrating. In addition, the tilma resisted an ammonia spill that made a considerable hole, which was reportedly /repaired in two weeks with no external help. (It is not surprising to note that the Catholic bishop kept the original tilma containing the sacred image in his private chapel. Upon completion of the main church, he then transferred the sacred image so that all may see it...taking the now sacred object for only Catholic use, and also keeping the valuable icon safe from and for the native people of whom she belongs.)

In 1921, an anarchist placed an offering of flowers next to the image. A bomb hidden within the flowers exploded and destroyed the shrine. However, the image suffered no damage. So, there seem to also be supernatural physical “proofs” still in existence, of her presence in Mexico City.

For further information on Guadalupe, you can visit:

c) Maria J 2008

Report this post as:

Local News

Change Links September 2018 posted S02 10:22PM

More Scandals Rock Southern California Nuke Plant San Onofre A30 11:09PM

Site Outage Friday A30 3:49PM

Change Links August 2018 A14 1:56AM

Setback for Developer of SC Farm Land A12 11:09PM

More problems at Shutdown San Onofre Nuke J29 10:40PM

Change Links 2018 July posted J09 8:27PM

More Pix: "Families Belong Together," Pasadena J02 7:16PM

"Families Belong Together" March, Pasadena J02 7:08PM

Short Report on the Families Belong Together Protest in Los Angeles J30 11:26PM

Summer 2018 National Immigrant Solidarity Network News Alert! J11 6:58AM

Watch the Debate: Excluded Candidates for Governor of California M31 5:20AM

Change Links June 2018 posted M28 7:41AM

The Montrose Peace Vigil at 12 Years M22 8:01PM

Unity Archive Project M21 9:42AM

Dianne Feinstein's Promotion of War, Secret Animal Abuse, Military Profiteering, Censorshi M17 10:22PM

CA Senate Bill 1303 would require an independent coroner rather than being part of police M10 9:08PM

Three years after OC snitch scandal, no charges filed against sheriffs deputies M10 8:57PM

California police agencies violate Brown Act (open meetings) M02 8:31PM

Insane Company Wants To Send Nuke Plant Waste To New Mexico A29 11:47PM

Change Links May 2018 A27 8:40AM

Worker-Owned Car Wash on Vermont Closed A27 5:37AM


lausd whistle blower A11 6:58AM

Website Upgrade A10 10:02AM

Help KCET and UCLA identify 60s-70s Chicano images A04 8:02PM

UCLA Luskin: Casting Youth Justice in a Different Light A02 6:58PM

Change Links April 2018 A01 6:27PM

More Local News...

Other/Breaking News

Antrhopocène, le grand effondrement S19 9:53AM

Creative Destruction Hack Diamonds Windows/iOS/Android - Creative Destruction Generator S19 12:51AM

Abolir l'économie S18 11:18AM

The Dictatorship of Corporations S17 5:26PM

18 Lethal Consequences Of Hunting S17 3:13PM

Paraphysique de l'outplacement déontologue S15 6:51AM

Creative Destruction Hack Mod Generator S15 3:49AM

Shopping du bashing S14 8:42AM

After Lehman Brothers, Experts Say Global Financial Crisis Can Happen Again S13 8:28PM

“Animaniacs in Concert!” Starring Voice Legend Rob Paulsen S12 9:30PM

Probabilités de fin d'humanité S12 6:49AM

Florida Area of Migrant Farmworkers Denied Right to Construct Health Clinic near NaplesCIW S11 2:57AM

Propagande de virus, virus de propagande S10 7:34AM

Steer clear of work morality! S09 12:10PM

Sweatshop Lodge Ceremony Continues in US Fed Prisons Led by Inmates S08 6:17PM

Paraphysique de l'origami S08 7:11AM

The Shortwave Report 09/07/18 Listen Globally! S06 11:23PM

August 2018 Honduras Coup update S06 12:28PM

Du réussissement putréfié S06 10:55AM

Brett Kavanaugh Filled The 5th Circuit With Execution Judges S06 6:14AM

Log S06 4:25AM

Augusta Georgia Woman Gets 5 Year Prison Sentence for Writing About Russians Crime Acts S05 8:29AM

Paraphysique de contextualité S05 8:29AM

Crisis Regulation in Global Capitalism S03 3:39PM

Ex-voto de réification S03 10:24AM

Please Oppose Warmonger, Execution and Torture Supporting Bush Operative Brett Kavanaugh A31 10:45PM

Paraphysique d'exploitation occultation A31 10:24PM

Ryan Zinke Is Charging Taxpayers For A Trophy Hunters' Council A31 2:10PM

More Breaking News...
© 2000-2018 Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by the Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Running sf-active v0.9.4 Disclaimer | Privacy