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by answer sucks
Sunday, Nov. 09, 2008 at 8:52 PM
March route was pre-arranged by answer goons and LAPD. March was tightly controlled by the police. Attempts at alternate routes are being blocked by riot squads.
Two break away marches to the West have been broken up by police. Answer goons have looped march back to starting point at Sunset Junction. Another lame police controlled answer parade.
The answer parade is mostly over now
Some people in Silverlake are not having it and authentic protest is now set to begin.
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by onemanstrash
Sunday, Nov. 09, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I heard a very large number of police cars, paddy wagons, and motorcycle cops drive by. So i went down to see what all the commotion was all about. I got on my bike and saw almost as many cops as protesters. I took a small video to show the cops allowing the protesters to change direction and proceed down Hollywood Blvd. The video is about 18 megs. Mp4 ( you can use quicktime to view it) Here is the link http://www.mediafire.com/?tgvgbnmurmv
www.mediafire.com/?tgvgbnmurmv
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by onemanstrash
Sunday, Nov. 09, 2008 at 11:21 PM
I heard a very large number of police cars, paddy wagons, and motorcycle cops drive by. So i went down to see what all the commotion was all about. I got on my bike and saw almost as many cops as protesters. I took a small video to show the cops allowing the protesters to change direction and proceed down Hollywood Blvd. The video is about 18 megs. Mp4 ( you can use quicktime to view it) Here is the link http://www.mediafire.com/?tgvgbnmurmv
www.mediafire.com/?tgvgbnmurmv
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by No Discrimination
Monday, Nov. 10, 2008 at 3:31 AM
In fact the LAPD did an amazing job. It was ANSWER that was unorganized and caused all kinds of problems including communication throughout the group. Gay and Lesbian community leaders wanted the large march to be able to travel where they wanted. But Answer wanted to lie to both the group and the LAPD to cause problems. So the whole thing nearly blew up in everyone's face. Thankfully after the screw up at Vermont and Sunset Gay and Lesbian community leaders stepped in to bypass Answer and work with the LAPD to create the path that our Gay and Lesbian brothers and sisters wanted to take. So we marched back to Silverlake to regroup and then it was on westward to Hollywood which is what everyone wanted. I'm thankful for both the LAPD working respectfully and with honor with our Gay and Lesbian community leaders. ANSWER is not a gay organization. In fact it's unclear to anyone what exactly they're doing in this fight. It looks like they wanted to just get us excited about another march and then try and use it for their own cause. How disgusting. But in the end we marched and marched and did it safely and without violence. We must continue to work together with our community leaders and the LAPD and Sheriffs and protest without violence. This is the only way we will win this fight.
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by east coast
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2008 at 7:55 AM
don't let ANSWER organize your protests! they are quite good at mobilization for protests, but they always diffuse outrage and the essence of protest and instead hope to channel participants into their organization. they tried to do this with the anti-globalization movement and they definitely hijacked the anti-war movement. don't let steal your cause, brothers and sisters on the west coast!
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by FYI
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2008 at 8:59 AM
The best thing that could happen to activism in Los Angeles would be for ANSWER to cease to exist. This Stalinist front group and their other various spin offs have been marching people around in circles for years. They are no better than the police. They work with the police, some say for the police. Their game is to jump in front in any bandwagon they see coming down the road and take it over. And if they can’t take it over then run it into the ground.
They are everything we are fighting against: Authoritarian, Ridged ideology and Power hungry control freaks. They will work to derail any social movement they don’t think they can gain control of. They would rather kill a social movement and watch it fail than to see it escape their grasp. And they are liars. They always lie about the number of people that attend “their” events. They always double the actual number and sometimes inflate it by a factor of ten.
They have succeeded in mollifying large parts of the anti-war movement in their cooperation with the police and government agencies. Their adherence to the permit system for state sanctioned and police controlled demonstrations has corralled and often prevented the people’s outrage from reaching the level required for real change.
Some advice to authentic genuine grassroots activists what ever your cause:
1. Do not let these people interfere with your struggle. They have their own agenda in mind and it does not serve your interests.
2. The only reason to go to the events they initiate is to defend the momentum they seek to steal from your movement and to take back the energy of the protest. The most common street tactic for this is to organize and inspire break away marches. Warning: they are hip to this tactic and will side with the cops to crush your splinter march. (This is could be the cause for what happened at Sunset & Vermont last night)
3. If they show up at your meetings treat them no differently than you would a suspected police informant. (They may turn out to be one in the same)
4. There is no ANSWER collation. This is a front. And all the groups they list in their “collation” are of their own invention or marching to beat of the same party. They are a fringe Stalinist group with some really strange ideas about how great life is for people living in North Korea under totalitarian rule.
5. Think ahead of them don’t let them take out multiple parade permits from the police and play protest broker. Organize quickly in advance of their plans. This should not be too difficult for they always do the same thing: The same speeches at the same locations and always on a weekend.
The reader should not think that the author has given anything away here and that someone from Answer will read this and now these things won’t work. This struggle between genuine grassroots movements that are self-organized and self-directed by the people vs those who seek to co-opt their movement has been going on for years: 1,000s of years. All the tactics are pretty much known to all. We just need to keep at it.
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by i love los angeles
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM
We've seen so many good movements in the street.
Opposing the war(s).
Fighting for the right of undocumented immigrants to become citizens.
Fighting for the rights of lgbt people to be equal members of society.
I LOVE L.A.!
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by What's up?
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM
These are standard disinformation pieces. I'm not sure who reads Indymedia, but it is counterproductive to red bait and then slam a group of people who are holding the biggest rallies in LA history. What's up with that? I guess the movement should be small, grungy and based on rhetoric and denunciations--no way!
These people defame ANSWER because they either are paid by the cops to do so or because they have no organizing abilities on their own. I'd like to see them organize 20,000 people to do anything together. Social change doesn't come from wearing a handkerchief over your face and claiming to be "militant" while looking cool. You've got to really struggle.
Go for it ANSWER--we are with you!
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