The Handala campaign was initiated to encourage people to work together towards a message of brotherhood, solidarity and peaceful co-existence

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Germans and Danes have peacefull co existance, but that came AFTER the NAZI occupiers of Denmark were driven out.

The fact remains that the Zionist crusader state is the Zionist's occupation of Palesitnian lands and occupations are a state of war. DUH! Zionists seek appeasment of their bloodsoaked crusade and appeasing invadors has NOTHING at all to do with peace.

If Israel *really* wanted peace it would end the occupation and alow the three quarters of a million people they displaced to return with their families to the homes the Zionists stole from them.

Israel allowed 184,000 Palestininians to "return".

Israel is 2//3 desert and is about the size of New Jersey. It simply can't accomodate the masses taht want to move to her shores to takes advantage of her excellent social services and vigorous democracry. there isn't enough water, housing, schools, infraststructure, land.....

The criminal nazi state of israel encourages millions of immigrants who never had any claims on the lands except for the myth of their religion, drives out the native populations or imprisons the rest into ghettos and then extorts the blatant hypocrisy of a 'democracy'.

The Palestinians are not "native"- most are recent immigrants.

The vast majority of israelis have far less claim to any of this land despite the quibbling about who is recient by who was the invading colonial enterprise agaist a people regarded as a pestilence to be cleansed from the land by right of some mythical cult by some mythical god.

What exactly is the Palestinian claim, them?

Remember the Christmas story? There were Jews and Romans- no Palestinians- no Arabs, no Muslims. (hadn't been invented yet!) Clearly the Jews were there first.

So briefly, what is the palestinian claim?

Palestinians were farming, fishing and ranching on the lands they had generations of claim to. In recient non mythical history, before 1947.
Before the betrayal from the British when they thought themselves free of the Ottoman empire.
The claim to land they were living on when the zionazis came under the skirts of Adolph Eichmann to "claim" with nazi weapons, 'living room' for this vicious cult against a people who were chosen in a defenseless opportunity for colonial annexation.
The zionists have no claim. But they have a garbage truckload of lies and half truths to invert reality in a twisted version of their psychotic interpretation of 'self determination'.
Free Palestine from the yoke of israeli oppression and Genocide by any definition.

The Mythic history of the "Palestinians" propagated by those whodon't better, but should! Although there were some people in pre-state Israel under Ottoman rule, there weren't many, they weren't "Palestinians" but rather the descendants of immigrants in recent times. The vast majority of the ancestors of todays "Palestinians" immigrated during theBritish Mandate period. The fact that they share the same religion as the Moslem invading armies doesn't make it their land!

My family can rent a house for 100 years and it would never be ours. Just because people lived there doesn't legally equal sovereignty. Jews were also there.

This whole thing confuses me because it seems like this is the first time in the history of the world that the loser and the agressor in how many wars? gets to determine the settlement. Usually- the winner decides.

Its like Hitler saying, Ok, I'll surender but I get to keep Austria

My family can rent a house for 100 years and it would never be ours. Just because people lived there doesn't legally equal sovereignty. Jews were also there.

This whole thing confuses me because it seems like this is the first time in the history of the world that the loser and the agressor in how many wars? gets to determine the settlement. Usually- the winner decides.

Its like Hitler saying, Ok, I'll surender but I get to keep Austria

Glad you brought up the nazis. Of which Hitler was its chairman.
History does indeed endorse the winner, at least untill the horrendous evil that was perpetrated is known to the world and the incurred the wrath of the human sprit which recognizes its hereditary enemy, demands justce. Like the hangings at Nuremberg.
Free the Palestine Ghetto - Equailty for All People.

Can someone explain to me what the palestinian right to this land is?

(An earlier poster explained that the Jews were there first.)

So what is the Plaestinian claim based on?

Can someone explain to me what the palestinian right to this land is?

(An earlier poster explained that the Jews were there first.)

So what is the Plaestinian claim based on?

"Can someone explain to me what the palestinian right to this land is? "
I guess a zionist has no concept of humanity and the right to not be purged or murdered for a mythical religious claim by a bloodthirsty cult. Think 'holocaust'.
If you still don't understand, seek therapy.

No one can articulate a Palestinian claim?

Thats not too convincing, people.

Articulation is not the problem, it's the dysfunctional cognitive ability to see the pain and grief of what these creatures cannot recognize as fellow humans. They just cannot. It is far beyond them.
It's as I said; the mental powers of zionists don't include the concept of humanity or justice.
Like explaining color to the blind.

No number of simple explanations will force this concept upon a cult of self-proclaimed superiority who believe they have 'rights' to another's land. Another they cannot accept as human or equal.
Zionists are racist mentally deficient scum...

The fact that no one can tell me what the Palestinians claim to the land is speaks volumes.

The few responders see to say versions of "The palestinians should have this land because I like them better than the Jews".


Oh, well. In the absence of intelligent life, I'm outta here.

It is a matter of selective reading.
When you read what you can't understand; it registers as a mental blind spot.
It's been posted at least five times and you still can't read it.
You can't read it because it recognizes the Palestinians as fellow humans.
Take your psychosis away to your fellow psychotics.
Most people here are not damaged in their mind and soul.

The ancestors of the current Palestinians obviously existed but they weren't necessarily living where Israel now is. The population of Ottoman Empire Palestine region in the 1800's was a tiny fraction of what it is today. Since this was a Turkish empire, much of the population was Turkish. Rulers were concentrated in Istanbul and Damascus, not Jerusalem which remained largely Jewish, even in the 1800's. The migration patterns of Jews and Muslims to the area show that as the Jewish population increased, the jobs created attracted Arab Muslims dramatically increasing their numbers. The definition of a Palestinian refugee in 1950 by UNRWA was someone who had been living inside Israel for at least TWO YEARS before being displaces. see: http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/whois.html

The ancestors of the current Palestinians obviously existed but they weren't necessarily living where Israel now is. The population of Ottoman Empire Palestine region in the 1800's was a tiny fraction of what it is today. Since this was a Turkish empire, much of the population was Turkish. Rulers were concentrated in Istanbul and Damascus, not Jerusalem which remained largely Jewish, even in the 1800's. The migration patterns of Jews and Muslims to the area show that as the Jewish population increased, the jobs created attracted Arab Muslims dramatically increasing their numbers. The definition of a Palestinian refugee in 1950 by UNRWA was someone who had been living inside Israel for at least TWO YEARS before being displaces. see: http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/whois.html

"The ancestors of the current Palestinians obviously existed but they weren't necessarily living where Israel now is"
What kind of excuse for ethnic cleansing and Genocide, is that ambiguous bit of quibbling?
I'm talking about the refugees your kind ( because only a zionist is this dense about murder and imperialism and it could only be a fully indoctrinated example of this particlar cult ) drove off the land while pushing the remaining farmers and ranchers and fishers into ghettos from hell by the criminal nazi state of israel. Not to mention the mass graves your ( illegal ) settlements are built over.
The history of israel is written in the blood of the Palestinians you are unable to acknowledge.
Mass murder and terrorism are the tools of the israeli state.

Spontaneous generation?

I'm just asking because you seem to have no specific knowledge of the history of this region, aside from some pre-digested sound bites.

Prove me wrong.

What is the historical basis of a palestinian claim to this land?///////

Actually there is no *israeli* claim on the land, save for a myth a few thousand years old.
And the people who were living there when the zionazis came to murder and purge the land, had the claim by physical possession of the land.
Your fained ignorance and inversion of reality are word games to cover genocide and land theft.

There actually is a valid israeli claim on 2.5% of the land that the zionists with Eichmann purchased, when the nazis made a deal among the rich zionists in Germany to emigrate to Palestine as the collaboration between the nazis and the zionists is well known among historians of that time.
See :
51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis: Lenni Brenner.

So the Palestinian claim is that there is no Israeli claim?

Is that the best you can do?

Is constant mind numbing ignorance and repetition the zionist's only answer?
Apparently so.
Free Palestine from these racist ideologues.

parrot droppings from BJ.
Can't deal with the reality of invasion from a cult that continues to link Jews with the criminal israeli state.
" Jews have lived in the region continuously for 3,500"
There were *other* tribes and people there for the same period.
The zionists however, want a 'Jewish' state for Jews.
They have tried to accomplish this with waves of terrorism condemned by the UN hunderds of times.
And denial, lies and equivocations about it are the standard tools of a bloodthirsty cult engaged in pure terrorism. Under a thick blanket of self proclaimed 'Jewishness' while they violate every single law of the covenant.
Zionist swim in hypocrisy and half truths when they aren't lying outright.
But these lies are old and riddled with the truth of history.
Nothing excuses ethnic cleansing/genocide. Even for non 'Jews'.

" Jews have lived in the region continuously for 3,500"
There were *other* tribes and people there for the same period.

The key word is continuously. And still, today.

The zionists however, want a 'Jewish' state for Jews.

In a world with56 Islamic states what is wrong with that?

"The zionists however, want a 'Jewish' state for Jews. "
I keep saying this psychopathic cult of racial/religious supremecy is a cult upon which the concept of not doing to others what one wishes not to be done to themselves.
Like a holocaust of racial/ethnic cleansing. Because they are of a chosen 'race'.
Not at all like their nazi progenitors. Because they call themselves Jews.

To say nothing of their interpretation of 'self determination' means building over the mass graves of the former inhabitants who they 'cleansed'.
"The zionists however, want a 'Jewish' state for Jews. "
I suppose that murder, rape and eviction under the gunsights of israeli weapons is merely another tool to accomplish the above statement.
As everyone has noticed by now except the israeli lobby.

The Arab imagination could never reconcile itself to the permanence of the Jewish state. No victories could secure this state the acceptance of its neighbors. It was a fluke of history, they believed. Modern-day Arabs took to the history of the Crusader Kingdom that had lasted for two centuries (1099-1291), then pulled up stakes and left its castles and ruins. This, too, shall pass, it was believed.

In its short history, Israel has held up a mirror for the Arabs, who have not liked what they have seen. Although outgunned and outnumbered, a mere 650,000 Jews prevailed over 40 million Arabs. In their fantasy, the Arabs were a martial people, while the Jews had been timid souls. These were different Jews, the Zionists, steeled by the horror of the Holocaust, who would hold their own in the field of battle. On a barren, small piece of land, the Zionists built a durable state. It was military but not militaristic. Under conditions of a long siege, it maintained a deep and abiding democratic ethos.

Israel's 60th anniversary suggests what might have been. The Zionists opted for moderation and rescue; they would take a state, said their legendary leader Chaim Weizmann, even if it were the size of a tablecloth. The Palestinians held out for the whole thing. This month's festivities marking the return of the Jews to the world of nations should be an occasion for some honest Palestinian (and Arab) retrospection on how Arab history has played out in the intervening decades.

The only peace the criminal state of israel wants is the peace of a perfectly scrubbed and cleansed land, free of its native population and populated with the cult of supremacy called zionism.
The previous apology for genocide tries to paint over the decades of israeli terror and land theft as a 'triumph of the will'.
I've noticed that the only responce the zionist lobby has to offer is another version of their right to 'come in and take over' by force.
It's not very different from the holocaust of the nazis.
This time under a different name.

Twenty percent of Israel is non Jewish. Contrast that with , oh, for example Saudi Arabia which is 99% Islamic.
Only extremists talk talk of transfer - the one political party that advocated it was banned from Israel.

I am always amazed at the incredible amount of BS the israeli lobby can generate.
Want to talk about the 'Jews' only roads and check points of death where these imoral and vicious racists determine who can and who cannot acsess such things as hospitals, schools, work or even food.?
Or the constant assault from tanks, bulldozers and "extra legal assassinations" from the occuping invaders who are determined to cleans the land for 'greater israel' while hey engage in pure terrorism under the mantle of 'Jewishness'.

not a true word in that post! Its amazing what lies anti-zionists will tell.

Denial; the last resort.
"isreal wants peace"
Then allow equal rights, return and reperations from your criminal state.
After sanctions force your psychopathic leadership to disarm their nuclear arsenal. And war crimes trials show the world the truth about the terrorist history of israel.

Then allow equal rights, return and reperations from your criminal state.

Legal rights are legislated.
Repartations were offered at Taba and turned down.
Return is out of the question. Israel- the size of New Jersey cannot support 4 million ore people. There is insufficient water. Infrastructure. Resources. Refugees would end up in tent cities in the desert, dependent on UN aid. It might take decades to settle them all.

After sanctions force your psychopathic leadership to disarm their nuclear arsenal.

First the US. And Russia. And India and Pakistan . And North Korea. And the rest of them, too . Only then we get to tell the rest of the world what to do.

without amazement.
The Palestinians have nothing to 'show' or 'prove' to your kind nor do I.
You are an ideologue a racist and a lobbyist for the criminal state of israel.
Denial, lies and numbing, unheeding repetition only go so far because only the AIPAC paid members of congress 'believe' you anymore.
Free Palestine
Sanction the criminal israeli murder state. Disband *their* nuclear weapons.
Allow the dispora of refugees driven out by terror to return. Extract reperations and conduct war crimes trials.
Nothing else will bring justice.

"Legal rights are legislated"
You individuals sure sound and act like nazis.
They were also believers in their own particular brand of legislation.
As for your poor over taxed infrastructure.
Choises have consequences. Equal division non dependent on 'race/religion.'
You just don't want to give back stolen property.
Pure puffery from the zionist lobby.

Stolen land? Your Arab Effendi ancestors sold the land to Jews, at great profit all while telling their recently arrived tenant farmers, (whose descendants are the "Palestinians") something quite different. I've seen the sand dunes that became Tel Aviv and the title to the land held by Israelis. Now show me title to land, and not a rusty key that your grand father bought in some shuk. Arabs that actually owned their land STAYED and became Israeli-Arabs and citizens.

Yes, the land was stolen, from its ancestral inhabitants, Jews. Now its been re-claimed from the squatters.

Zionists did buy SOME Palestinian lands. And then they used that land to set up their beachhead kibbutzes which they used to steal much more of the land from the palestinian locals.

You know, like if you were to buy the land next to a bank and then used that land to tunnel into the bank's vault. Under the laws we demand for our own protection (Zionist crusader's law too), when you get out of prison (IF depending on which state your OFFENSIVE crime is commited) will you still own the land? OR will the bank's insurance company file a civil law suit against and legaly take the land you legaly bought to commit your offensive crime??? AND if you were to kill a bank guard, like Zionist killed so many Palestinians in their murderous theft of Palestinian lands, you would probably never get out of prison to pine the loss of the land you bought legaly.

As for Palestine being a "Jewish land", Hebrews were just one of many foreign invadors. Palestine is no more a Jewish land than it is a Brittish land, or a Turkish land, or a Christian crusader land, or an Arab land (Free Jordan / East Palestine from the Heshemite invadors), or a Roman land, or a babelonian land.

This is how you can tell you are dealing with an anti-Semite-
he holds Israel to a different standards than the rest of the world.

No more troll feeding- no dialog with racists.

How does the zionist lobby expect to pass these obvious pieces of propaganda by the people without being exposed as the fraud and racist apologies for genocide they are?

now that we've heard from the unstable, borderline personalities:

- Lord Locksley Tuesday, May. 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM -
we really should move on to a solution for real peace.
Sanctions on isreali leadership untill they-
Provide return and reparations for the Palestinian dispora.
Dissolve the 'Jew' only lunacy...
Hold war crime trials
and most importantly...
Disassemble the renegade nuclear arsenal of the criminal and psychotic israeli state.

Saudi Arabia- 99% Muslim
Algeria 99% Muslim
Maldies 99 % Muslim
Afgahistan 99% Muslim
mauritania 99% Muslim
Iran 98% Muslim
Pakistan 96% Muslim


Get my point? Yet they complain about Israel being 80 % Jewish

And it seems that the zionists have a problem with *other* race/religions.
If they're not members of a 'chosen people'.
And the racial religious demographics have what to do with the psychopathic and genocidual actions of the israeli state?
Because they're Muslem?
Does anyone else here see the hypocrisy? The racism?

The point is that here are over 2 dozen Islamic states that are over 98% Muslim, yet the only complaint is about the one "Jewish" state that grants full freedom and recognition to Bahai, Christians, muslims, Druze, and all others.
The Jewish state with an acting president that was Druze. The Jewish state with Arabs in its foreign diplomatic league. The Jewish state with Arab Supreme Court Justices.

I see the hypocricry, all right.

Tell us how Muslim people having their own states in their own homelands is comparable to Zionists having a right to steal Palestinian lands and murder Palestinians who dare to resist the Zionist invador's bloodsoaked crusade.

There are lots of "Christian" States too. Tell us how that would give Zionists a birthright of murderous theft of Danish lands, or Costa Rican lands, or Scottiosh lands, or...

Yep, ZIonist propaganda sure is a load of dung.

""Jewish" state that grants full freedom and recognition to Bahai, Christians, muslims, Druze, and all others. "
Be serious because the above statement is a delusion or some fine legal point which means nothing in israel unless you're, as your quotations marks indicate, "Jewish".
Please stick to at least some version of reality, please.
Does 'Jews only roads' mean equal travel right for. say a native Palestinian?
Or does it mean a check point of death, depending upon the israeli whim or mood of the day?

Sounds like media poisoning to me . Its obvious from the questions that you'v e never been to Israel or through a checkpoint.

Going through an Israeli check point is sort of like being asked if you have any fruit or vegetables when you cross the California border. Theres no such thikng as Jew only road". There are "Palestinian" only and Israeli only, whatever your religion. If you aren't an Israeli and you are crossing into israel, expect to show your i.d., the same as anywhere else. If you are entering illegally, then its illegal.

Don't believe all the whiny stories the Palestinians make up. See for yourself

Does 'Jews only roads' mean equal travel right for. say a native Palestinian?

There are no "Jews Only roads".

Why would highway signs be in Arabic and English, if there were?

There certainly are roads where only an 'isreali' license plate is allowed.
Something Palestinians aren't permitted. The check points where many deaths have occurred due to israeli treatment and blockades.
Stop LYING.
There is just too much information that shows what murderous fraud your lobby engages in.

Ah- now you admit you lied?

A citizen only road is different than a Jew only road- and after all, 20 % of Israelis are Arabs- and they have the right to drive on citizens only roads too.

So you admit- you lied about "Jew only roads?"

Where a state can exhibit a double standard between the people it has under its control.
Jew only or israeli 'citizen' only is another word for apartheid.

And a particularly dishonest one amid its pathology of murder and supremacy.
Despite the word games and other lies.

All states differentiate between citizens and non-citizens.
Israeli Arabs have the same rights as all Israeli citizens

An Israeli Arab was Israel's contestant to Miss Universe, btw.

""An Israeli Arab was Israel's contestant to Miss Universe, "
And how does that excuse the constant murder and torture of Palestinians?

So, how many Palestinians have to be kiled in the Zionist's chosen crusade before Zionists qualify as murderous thieves? In your own opinion.

Ohhh, Zionists didn't murder ALL the Palestinians (yet) to steal Palestinian lands.

Well, NAZIs didn't murder ALL the Poles to steal polish lands. But noone I know of has the nerve to say NAZIs were something other than murderous thieves

http://richmond.indymedia.org/newswire/display/15023/index.php

Nearly three years ago I underwent an operation in a Jerusalem hospital. The surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab. The doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. I lay in bed for a month and watched as they gave the same skilled care to other patients - half of whom were Arabs and half of whom were Jewish - all sharing the same wards, operating theatres and bathrooms.

After that experience I have difficulty understanding anyone who equates Israel with apartheid South Africa. What I saw in the Hadassah Mt Scopus hospital was inconceivable in the South Africa where I spent most of my life,

"What I saw in the Hadassah Mt Scopus hospital " has very little to do with the program of murder that the zionist enterprise reserves for the common Palestinian.
Want to cherry pick some more golden examples of israeli largess towards its prisoner populations?
Unbelievable.

-Going through an Israeli check point is sort of like being asked if you have any fruit or vegetables when you cross the California border.-

I don't ever recall being stopped and harrassed @ the California border.
Have you ever been to the California border?
I've been through many times.
Never have I been stopped at gun point.
Or searched.
Or beaten.
Or killed.
This is a nearly daily occurrence in occupied Palestine at the hundreds of paranoia check points.
But not for 'israelis'.
Behind their walls, snipers and razor wire, with tanks and attack helicopters waiting.

And when the Soviets took Berlin, they found a hospital that was not bombed out where 300 Jews were being treated.

Looks like NAZI Germany wasn't comparable to RSA aparteid either.

Yes- the Jews in Berlin were being treated by Dr. Mengele in his very special way.
And your point is?

This is an actual checkpoint. i went through dozens. Never waited more than 3-4 minutes. No different than going through the agricultural checkpoints in California

Your problem is that you've swallowed the kool aid and you've lost the ability to think for yourself.
Go to Israel. See for yourself.

Are you a Palestinian?
I am a white male and have not been harassed but that doesn't mean that blacks or hispanics aren't.
Your zionist privileges are very apparent. As well as your pathological blindness.

Thats an Israeli checkpoint, not a Californian one.
I can tell you are surprised

White? Am I White? As an olive complected, dark haired Jew, it depends on whose asking, when and why. If I am in work clothes, people speak to me in Spanish, presuming that I'm Latino. Other times, English, or I get asked if I'm Italian American or Greek. Nope.

You can't tell if someone is Jewish or Arab by looking at them, particularly in Israel. Only by asking.

Rights group got it wrong: Gaza cancer patient who 'died while waiting for permit' still alive

Stayin' alive: Muhammad al-Harrani, a father of six from Gaza diagnosed with cancer who reportedly died while waiting for a permit to enter Israel, miraculously "came back to life." This was not the result of a miracle, but rather, just part of the tactics used by al-Harrani's family in a bid to secure a permit for him.

Al-Harrani is currently awaiting an entry permit into Israel, so that he can undergo head surgery at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center and receive radiation and chemotherapy treatment. At the end of April he was summoned to a questioning session at the Erez Crossing as part of the permit process, but the session was postponed by a week.

On the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day, al-Harrani’s story was published. His family reported to the “Physicians for Human Rights” organization that he died. “The sick man could not withstand the wait for the permit,” claimed Ran Yaron, Director of the Occupied Territories Department who blamed the Shin Bet for adopting cruel policies against cancer patients.


However, the next day, the organization discovered that al-Harrani was still alive. Members of group estimated that his brother, who reported the death, “killed” him so he does not report to the questioning session.

“This is a rare case where a family member knowingly provided false information to the organization,” Physicians for Human Rights said. “Usually, the organization receives information from the families and from the hospitals, but in this case the information was received from the family and was not confirmed by the hospital."

Meanwhile, the Shin Bet sent the organization an angry response: “We view these harsh accusations on your part with great severity; not even a minimal inquiry into the facts was conducted.” The Shin Bet noted that due to the suspicion of his involvement in terror activities, al-Harrani was indeed called in for a security check, and it was indeed postponed by a week.

Since al-Harrani did not arrive at the questioning session, “he will have to bear the consequences or future damage that may be caused to him, in line with his refusal to cooperate in the procedure,” the Shin Bet said.

"On the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day,"
So tell me what the occupied people of Palestine had to do with this zionist facilitated excuse for genocide because zionists and the nazis were close friends in this death camp enterprise.
And to make this even more obscene is the word of the Shin Bet.
The premiere terror organization of the the zionists.
" Why can't we be friends?"
You post this fecal matter and expect anyone to take you seriously.
The only friend of zionism is the mass grave and the grief of occupation.
And the lying zionist lobby.

The Arabs were Nazi Allies. The leader of the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine,the Grand Mufti Al-Husseini was indicted for War Crimes at Nuremburg. He organized the Bosnian Muslim Divison of the SS. He made plans with Eichman for the placement of Death Camps in Eretz Israel on the assumptoon f aNazi victory. Vetarans of the Bosnian Muslim SS fought against Israel in 1948.

It goes on and on. Yojur weird baseless fantasies are eclipsed by historic reality.

That man is not "the Arabs", and he acted out of fear, greed, and political expediency (much like those corrupt politicians who Appease Israel today).

Zionism, which was rejected by most Jews at the time, however, collaborated with the Nazis, saying that any Jew who would not emigrate to Palestine "deserve to be on the trains".

How can you support these Antisemites?

Oh brother...
"The Arabs were Nazi Allies. The leader of the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine,the Grand Mufti Al-Husseini was indicted for War Crimes at Nuremburg. "
"Al-husseni"
by pot/kettle/black Sunday, Nov. 18, 2007 at 3:25 PM


Every time they bring up Al-Husseini, I’m going to tell you about Polkes, Begin, Shamir and the rest of the Nazi collaborator/terrorist gang that founded the rogue state of Israel.

Hajj Amin Al Husseini wasn't Hitler's only stooge in British occupied Palestine. Consider the case of Fieval Polkes:

"Von Bolschwing was deeply involved in intelligence work--and in the persecution of innocent people -- for most of his adult life. He had joined the Nazi party at the age of twenty-three, in 1932, and had become an SD (party security service) informer almost immediately. In the years leading up to 1939, von Bolschwing became a leading Nazi intelligence agent in the Middle East, where he worked under cover as an importer in Jerusalem. One of his first brushes with Nazi espionage work, according to captured SS records, was a role in creating a covert agreement between the Nazis and Fieval Polkes, a commander of the militant Zionist organization Haganah, whom von Bolschwing had met through business associates in the Mideast. Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run recruiting and training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. Polkes and the Haganah, in return, agreed to provide the SS with intelligence about British affairs in Palestine. Captured German records claim that Polkes believed the increasingly brutal Nazi persecution of the Jews could be turned to Zionist advantage -- at least temporarily -- by compelling Jewish immigration to Palestine, and that the Haganah commander's sole source of income, moreover, was secret funds from the SS.

It was in the course of these negotiations that the young Baron von Bolschwing gained the trust of Adolf Eichmann, who was at the time an obscure SS functionary specializing in intelligence on Freemasonry and Jewish affairs for the Nazi party. The acquaintance was more than a casual one, for von Bolschwing went on to play a central role in arranging conferences between Eichmann and Polkes in Vienna and Cairo, contacts that established Eichmann as the SS's Jewish affairs expert and laid the foundation for his later career as the architect of the extermination of European Jewry.”

-- Blowback : America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War by Christopher Simpson, ISBN: 1555841066, p 253

Simpson’s source on this is:

Sicherheitsdienst des RFSS SD-Hauptamt, Palastinareise Bericht (U.S. designation no. 173-b-16-14/61), now at Frames 2936012-2936068, microfilm roll 411, T-175, RG 242, NA, Washington, D.C.

* * * * *

After the war, von Bolschwing settled in California. He became a Republican Party activist and a personal friend of Richard Nixon. Among his other accomplishments, he perpetrated the single largest stock fraud in California’s history. He squirmed out of the charges when a patsy took the fall for him. Later he was partners in a defense electronics company called TCI with Iran-contra figures Richard Secord and (Iranian Jew) Albert Hakim.

What a guy, huh? For details, see:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbtape11,22,81,520.htm

* * * * *

Then there was Menachem Begin, terrorist extrordinaire, who later was elected to the highest office in the land.

Before that, he waged war against Hitler enemies.

See:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/irgun.html

Irgun Zeva'i Le'umi
“The National Military Organization” (Etzel, I.Z.L.)

(snip)

From 1943 Etzel was headed by Menachem Begin. In February 1944, Etzel declared war against the British administration. It attacked and blew up government offices, military installations and police stations.

(snip)

* * * * *

Begin was not just a founding father of Israel, but also the butcher of Deir Yassin, Palestine’s very own Lidice:


See:

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

(snip)

Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.

By noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.

That evening the Irgunists and the Sternists escorted a party of foreign correspondents to a house at Givat Shaul, a nearby Jewish settlement founded in 1906. Over tea and cookies they amplified the details of the operation and justified it, saying Deir Yassin had become a concentration point for Arabs, including Syrians and Iraqis, planning to attack the western suburbs of Jerusalem. They said that 25 members of the Haganah militia had reinforced the attack and claimed that an Arabic-speaking Jew had warned the villagers over a loudspeaker from an armored car. This was duly reported in The New York Times on April 10.

A final body count of 254 was reported by The New York Times on April 13, a day after they were finally buried. By then the leaders of the Haganah had distanced themselves from having participated in the attack and issued a statement denouncing the dissidents of Irgun and the Stern Gang, just as they had after the attack on the King David Hotel in July 1946. A 1987 study undertaken by Birzeit University's Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".

The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping up" operations.

They also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield."

Ben Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act served the future State of Israel well. According to Begin, “Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of ‘Irgun butchery,’ were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.”

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Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Jerusalem expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known simply as the area between Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.

The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world.

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Then there was Yitzhak Shamir . . .


http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/15-shamir.htm

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Shamir’s Background

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. . . was born Yitzhak Yzernitzky, in Rozeny, in what is now Byelorussia, in 1915.

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Little is known of his Irgun career, but one incident stands out. In 1938 Yzernitzky and a 15-year-old recruit, Eliyahu Bet Zouri, tried to blow up a WZO defence fund collection booth which levied a toll on Jewish travellers leaving Tel Aviv. They planted a crude gunpowder bomb which went off prematurely, severely burning Bet Zouri’s legs and scorching the face of Israel’s future Prime Minister. But this bizarre incident was a mere nothing compared to his career as a leading figure in the “Stern Gang”.

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>a 15-year-old recruit,

Just in case you were wondering who first armed children in Palestine.

Thanks it highlights the difference, perhapsthere were Jewish guys that tried to save their skin, whose story was exageratedby comintern progandists (mostly factually umverifiable exce;t via the discredited communist propagandist Lenny Brenner) , so what? On the other hand, the Arab world sided with the Nazis and the national leader of the Arabs in the British Mandate of Palestine was INDICTED as a WAR CRIMINAL.

So your post rather makes my point quite well, the only collaborators you can point to were small fish, serving their individual interests while the Arab leader was COMPLICIT in the goals of Nazism .

"discredited communist propagandist Lenny Brenner"
it seems that since the zionist lobby has 'discredited' this well known and respected author.
Communist?
I like the idea of the workers controling the means of production.
What's you main mental malfunction? Your bloodthirsty cult?

these we're not trivial players, they were the leaders, organizers and founders of the zionist state. To sell out to the nazis in order to grab someone elses land. At the expense of the common victim of the nazis. The Jews of Europe. Among many many others.

From the memoirs of the Grand Mufti

From the Grand Mufti`s own Memoirs:

In his memoirs after the war, Husayni noted that "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: `The Jews are yours`.`
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

The Grand Mufti represented the Palestinians as much as I think Bush represents me.
The zionists *did* work with Adolph Eichmann at the intended expense of the common Jew. Zionists considered conquest of Palestine more important than saving lives, even of their 'own' people.
Your founders were war criminals and later your leaders as zionism is genocide wrapped in the party paper of 'self determination'.
Did you teach the nazis how to pervert reality?

"The Grand Mufti represented the Palestinians as much as I think Bush represents me. "

He was their head- the preeminent Arab power in Palestine. Arafat called him his mentor.
So you are a republican? So sorry to hear that . I hope you've learned from your mistake.

The balfour declaration was a declaration of war. Brittish occupiers of palestine promissing to carve a state for Zionists out of the palestinian's homeland was no less ofense to palestinians as NAZIs promissing NAZI occupied Slovakian lands to their hungarian friends and allies.

Britts supported the Zionist invasion under Brittish guns and slaughters palestinians by the thousands when ever the Palestinian locals tried to defend their homeland from the Zionist invadors.

There were some Palestinians who DID manage to ESCAPE Brittish/Zionist occupied Palestine and fight against the Britts and their allies who had long before declared war against the people of Palestine. That is no more of an offense that SOME Slovakians ESCAPING NAZI/Hungarian occupied Slovakian lands to fight along side the Britts against the people who had declared war against the people of Slovakia.

How do yoyu suppose the Lebanese and Syrians who managed to ESCAPE French occupied Lebanon and Syria to help NAZIs occupy France felt? Probably justified. And rightly so.

And this crap about Zionist occupation of palestine being not as bad as RSA Aparteid in South Africa. Sheee-IT. WHich was worse for the occupied? NAZI occupation of Slavik Poland and Ukrain or NAZI occupation of blond haired blue eyed Denmark and Norway? Does the fact that Slavs were treated much more brutaly than Nordics were treated mean the NAZI occupation of Nordic lands was somehow less of an offense? Duh. Such debates are jst a distraction away from the fact that Zionists crusaders have NO birthright of murderous theft of ANY Palestinian lands.

......there were no 'Palestinians' when the Balfour Declaration was issued....only Arab subjects of what was then the Ottoman Empire.....they didn't start calling themselves 'Palestinians' until the mid 1960's....but don't let that stop you from continuing to post your Jew hating spew.....you're really quite good at it....and it gives the rest of us a good laugh to see your infantile attempts to create history to match your own bigotry

You are argueing lables. And that is nothing to laugh about; it is just a pathetic attempt to marginalize the Palestinian people's basic human right NOT to be destroyed by western interloaper dictates or the Zionist crusaders.

Here is another made up name for you, "American".

Britts didn't kill Americans in the revolutionary war, because it would be another 150 years before the people of America started calling themselves Americans. George Washington was not an AMerican, he was a virginian (also a made up word) until the day he died. Robert E LEE was oposed to his state leaving the union, but when it did, he resigned his commision in the Union Army and returned to his state to lead the confederate (also a made up name) forces.

Argueing lables in your attempt to push the idea that palestinians are not a real people, but rather some sort of subhuman untermensch, is as vile when you say/write it, as when the Zionist crusaders themselves say/write it.

Noone laughs at what you write. It is too offensive.

......the Declaration of Independence calls us 'The United States of America'....and Americans started calling themselves Americans a lot earlier than 1926 as you would have people believe.....it isn't just about labels (not 'lables') though.....it is about the right of Israel and its citizens to live their lives as a sovereign people as intended by both the League of Nations and by the United Nations as authorized by both organizations....nobody is trying to portray the so called 'Palestinians' as 'subhuman untermensch'..,,..that is only your own projecting coming through..if anybody treats them that way,it is their fellow Arabs in the Middle East who act as if they are the red headed stepchild......it is simply that they are not entitled to land or territory that currently constitutes the state of Israel....and to point out that they did not have an identity as 'Palestinians' when the Balfour Declaration was issued as you want people to believe.....you're just looking for a rationale to murder Israeli Jews to justify your own anti-Semitism

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No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love
By Henry Siegman

25/04/08 "Al-Hayat" -- - We now have word that Tony Blair, envoy of the Middle East Quartet (the UN, the EU, Russia and the United States), and German Chancellor Angela Merkel intend to organize yet another peace conference, this time in Berlin in June. It is hard to believe that after the long string of failed peace initiatives, stretching back at least to the Madrid conference of 1991, statesmen and stateswomen are recycling these failures without seemingly having a clue as to why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is even more hopeless today than before these peace exercises first got underway.

The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.

That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.

It is one thing if Israeli governments had insisted on delaying a Palestinian state until certain Israeli security concerns were dealt with. But no government that is serious about a two-state solution to the conflict would have pursued without let-up the theft and fragmentation of Palestinian lands that even a child understands makes Palestinian statehood impossible.

Given the overwhelming disproportion of power between the occupier and the occupied, it is hardly surprising that Israeli governments and their military and security establishments found it difficult to resist the acquisition of Palestinian land. What is astounding is that the international community, pretending to believe Israel's claim that it is the victim and its occupied subjects the aggressors, has allowed this devastating dispossession to continue and the law of the jungle to prevail.

As long as Israel knows that by delaying the peace process it buys time to create facts on the ground that will prove irreversible, and that the international community will continue to indulge Israel's pretense that its desire for a two-state solution is being frustrated by the Palestinians, no new peace initiative can succeed, and the dispossession of the Palestinian people will indeed become irreversible.

There can be no greater delusion on the part of Western countries weighed down by guilt about the Holocaust than the belief that accommodating such an outcome would be an act of friendship to the Jewish people. The abandonment of the Palestinians now is surely not an atonement for the abandonment of European Jewry seventy years ago, nor will it serve the security of the State of Israel and its people.

John Vinocur of the New York Times recently suggested that the virtually unqualified declarations of support for Israel by Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy are "at a minimum an attempt to seek Israeli moderation by means of public assurances with this tacit subtext: these days, the European Union is not, or is no longer, its reflexive antagonist." But the expectation that uncritical Western support of Israel would lead to greater Israeli moderation and greater willingness to take risks for peace is blatantly contradicted by the conflict's history.

Time and again, this history has shown that the less opposition Israel encounters from its friends in the West for its dispossession of the Palestinians, the more uncompromising its behavior. Indeed, Olmert's reaction to Sarkozy's and Merkel's expressions of eternal solidarity and friendship have had exactly that result: Olmert approved massive new construction in East Jerusalem- authorizing housing projects that were frozen for years by previous governments because of their destructive impact on the possibility of a peace agreement-as well as continued expansion of Israel's settlements. And Olmert's defense minister, Ehud Barak, declared shortly after Merkel's departure that he will remove only a token number of the more than 500 checkpoints and roadblocks that Israel has repeatedly promised, and just as repeatedly failed, to dismantle.

That announcement shattered whatever hope Palestinians may have had for recovery of their economy as a consequence of the seven billion dollars in new aid promised by the international donor community in Paris last December. In these circumstances, the donor countries, not to speak of the private sector, will not pour good money after bad, as they so often have in the past.

So what is required of statesmen is not more peace conferences or clever adjustments to previous peace formulations, but the moral and political courage to end their collaboration with the massive hoax the
peace process has been turned into. Of course, Palestinian violence must be condemned and stopped, particularly when it targets civilians. But is it not utterly disingenuous to pretend that Israel's occupation-maintained by IDF-manned checkpoints and barricades, helicopter gunships, jet fighter planes, targeted assassinations and military incursions, not to speak of the massive theft of Palestinian lands-is not itself an exercise in continuous and unrelenting violence against more than 3 million Palestinian civilians? If Israel were to renounce violence, could the occupation last even one day?

Israel's designs on the West Bank are not much different than the designs of the Arab forces that attacked the Jewish state in 1948 - the nullification of the international community's partition resolution of 1947. Short of addressing the problem by its right name-something that is of an entirely different order than hollow statements that "settlements do not advance peace"-and taking effective collective action to end a colonial enterprise that disgraces what began as a noble Jewish national liberation struggle, further peace conferences, no matter how well intentioned, make their participants accessories to one of the longest and cruelest deceptions in the annals of international diplomacy.


Henry Siegman, director of the US/Middle East Project in New York, is research professor at the Sir Joseph Hotung Middle East Program, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. Siegman is a former national director of the American Jewish Congress and of the Synagogue Council of America

Ooooh, the Judeo-christian (small c) dominated un AND the Judeo-christian (small c) boy's clue league of nations intended for the ZIonist crusaders to become murderous thieves of Palestinian lands to create a "Jewish"state. WOW! Both of em? Really??? WOW!

And can you tell us of ANY other people's homelands that either of those 2 organizations have ANY busioness giving to ANY foriegn invadors? Hmmmm???

Ohhhh, so you tell us that the ZIonist's murderous theft of palestinian lands to create a "Jewish" state isn't the reason palestinians have been suffering much longer than 60 years as Britts started slaughtering palestinians by the thousands in 1922. And that it is allegedly somehow the Palestinian's Arabic speeking neighbors who are the alleged cause of the Palestinian's suffering. WOW! Scapegoating the Syrians and Egyptians for the suffering of Palestinians would be like trying to scapegoat the Britts and French for the suffering of Poles under NAZI occupation.

And of course, as the cherry on the top of your vile post, you resort to vacant slander. WOW! Because I respect the Palestinians basic human right NOT to be destroyed by wither western interloaper's dictates OR the ZIonist crusaders AND because I respect the Palestinian's right to liberate their homeland from the MURDEROUS THIEVING ZIonist crusaders AND because I hate how Democraps and Republitrash have sold out America's peace to buy the ZIonist enabler's votes and camp-pain contributions that you feel somehow justified in name calling. Ooooh, mean old L.L. can't deal with the real so he resorts to scapegoating ME. That seems to be par for people who appease and support the MURDEROUS THIEVING Zionist crusaders. NOTHING of actual substance, just offensive and cowardly TACTICS of running away from the real world issues.

PA daily: Arabs left homes on their own to facilitate destruction of Israel -- and thus became refugees

The Arabs who became refugees in 1948 were not expelled by Israel but left on their own to facilitate the destruction of Israel, according to a senior Palestinian journalist writing in a Palestinian daily. This plan to leave Israel was initiated by the Arab states fighting Israel, who promised the people they would be able to return to their homes in a few days once Israel was defeated. The article in Al-Ayyam concludes that these Arab states are responsible for the Arab refugee problem.

A backbone of Palestinian English-language propaganda is the myth that Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Israel and created Arab refugees. But in recent years, PMW has documented an increasing willingness among Palestinians to openly blame the Arab states and not Israel.

Following are five such statements of blame, starting with this most recent article and including testimony from refugees themselves and corroboration by Palestinian leaders. Clearly, there is a growing Palestinian willingness to blame the Arab leaders, which corroborates Israel's historical record.

1. Jawad Al Bashiti, Palestinian journalist in Jordan, writing in Al-Ayyam, May 13, 2008

"Remind me of one real cause from all the factors that have caused the "Palestinian Catastrophe" [the establishment of Israel and the creation of refugee problem], and I will remind you that it still exists... The reasons for the Palestinian Catastrophe are the same reasons that have produced and are still producing our Catastrophes today. During the Little Catastrophe, meaning the Palestinian Catastrophe the following happened: the first war between Arabs and Israel had started and the "Arab Salvation Army" came and told the Palestinians: 'We have come to you in order to liquidate the Zionists and their state. Leave your houses and villages, you will return to them in a few days safely. Leave them so we can fulfill our mission (destroy Israel) in the best way and so you won't be hurt.' It became clear already then, when it was too late, that the support of the Arab states (against Israel) was a big illusion. Arabs fought as if intending to cause the "Palestinian Catastrophe". [Al-Ayyam, May 13 2008]

2. Mahmoud Al-Habbash, Palestinian Journalist in PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, December 13, 2006

"...The leaders and the elites promised us at the beginning of the "Catastrophe" in 1948, that the duration of the exile will not be long, and that it will not last more than a few days or months, and afterwards the refugees will return to their homes, which most of them did not leave only until they put their trust in those "Arkuvian" promises made by the leaders and the political elites. Afterwards, days passed, months, years and decades, and the promises were lost with the strain of the succession of events..." [Term "Arkuvian," is after Arkuv - a figure from Arab tradition - who was known for breaking his promises and for his lies."] " [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, December 13, 2006]

3. Asmaa Jabir Balasimah, Woman who fled Israel in 1948, Al-Ayyam, May 16, 2006

"We heard sounds of explosions and of gunfire at the beginning of the summer in the year of the "Catastrophe" [1948]. They told us: The Jews attacked our region and it is better to evacuate the village and return, after the battle is over. And indeed there were among us [who fled Israel] those who left a fire burning under the pot, those who left their flock [of sheep] and those who left their money and gold behind, based on the assumption that we would return after a few hours." [Al-Ayyam, May 16, 2006]

4. Son of man who fled in 1948, PA TV 1999

An Arab viewer called Palestinian Authority TV and quoted his father, saying that in 1948 the Arab District Officer ordered all Arabs to leave Palestine or be labeled traitors. In response, Arab MK Ibrahim Sarsur, then Head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, cursed those leaders, thus acknowledging Israel's historical record.

"Mr. Ibrahim [Sarsur]. I address you as a Muslim. My father and grandfather told me that during the "Catastrophe" [in 1948], our district officer issued an order that whoever stays in Palestine and in Majdel [near Ashkelon - Southern Israel] is a traitor, he is a traitor."

Response from Ibrahim Sarsur, now MK, then Head of the Islamic Movement in Israel: "The one who gave the order forbidding them to stay there bears guilt for this, in this life and the Afterlife throughout history until Resurrection Day." [PA TV April 30, 1999]

5. Fuad Abu Higla, senior Palestinian, Al-Hayat Al-Jadidah, March 19, 2001

Fuad Abu Higla, then a regular columnist in the official PA daily Al Hayat Al Jadida, wrote an article before an Arab Summit, which criticized the Arab leaders. One of the failures he cited, in the name of a prisoner, was that an earlier generation of Arab leaders "forced" them to leave Israel in 1948, again placing the blame for the flight on the Arab leaders.

"I have received a letter from a prisoner in Acre prison, to the Arab summit: To the [Arab and Muslim] Kings and Presidents, poverty is killing us, the symptoms are exhausting us and the souls are leaving our body, yet you are still searching for the way to provide aid, like one who is looking for a needle in a haystack or like the armies of your predecessors in the year of 1948, who forced us to leave [Israel], on the pretext of clearing the battlefields of civilians... So what will your summit do now?" [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, March 19, 2001]

Conclusion It is clear from these statements that there is general acknowledgement among Palestinians that Arab leaders bear responsibility for the mass flight of Arabs from Israel in 1948, and were the cause of the "refugee" problem. Furthermore, the fact that this information has been validated by public figures and refugees in the Palestinian Authority media itself confirms that this responsibility is well-known - even though for propaganda purposes its leaders continue to blame Israel publicly for "the expulsion."

......so I guess the Jew haters who post here can go on conning themselves about this if they want to....but they clearly aren't good enough liars to con anybody else about it