What about a complete halt to attacks by Israel against HAMAS? These attempts at peace always break down because Israel will demand HAMAS cease fire, but continue to attack Palestinians, such as the 2006 Gaza Beach Massacre, under Operation First Rain, which reignited the conflict.

Hamas offers Gaza truce with Israel
Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:32am EDT
By Jonathan Wright

CAIRO (Reuters) - Hamas leaders handed over on Thursday proposals for a truce with Israel in the Gaza Strip, with a timetable for extending it to the West Bank, at a meeting of the Palestinian Islamist group with Egyptian mediators.

Former Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud el-Zahar and former Interior Minister Saeed Seyam held talks with Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, Egypt's main contact with the Palestinian Islamist (Why is the Israeli Government never noted as a Zionist movement?) movement Hamas and Israel, the Egyptian state news agency MENA said.

A Palestinian official close to the talks said the Hamas delegation would tell Suleiman it is prepared to accept the idea of a staged truce, starting with Gaza only.

"Hamas's position is that they agree to a calm in Gaza and the West Bank but it would begin in Gaza at this stage and then apply to the West Bank after an agreed and specified period of time," said the official, who declined to be named.

Hamas, which controls Gaza but has prominent members resident in the West Bank, has previously insisted that a truce should begin and apply at the same time to both areas.

Israel said it was ready for "quiet" at the Gaza border, but that it would require a complete halt to attacks by Hamas on Israelis, a stop to cross-border rocket fire from all Palestinian groups and an end to weapon smuggling into Gaza.

"We can't have a period of quiet that will just be the quiet before the storm," said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

The Palestinian official said Hamas made any truce conditional on Israel opening all of Gaza's border crossings and halting military action in the territory.

The elected group had backing from other Palestinian militant factions in the enclave, he added.

ISRAELIS SCEPTICAL

Egypt would relay Hamas's proposal to Israel in the coming days, he added. Israeli officials said they were skeptical about the chances of reaching a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip.

(This is because they engineered this 'crisis', and don't want it to end.)

"We are not holding our breath," a senior Israeli official said. "We certainly don't want Hamas to have an interval to get stronger."

Israel has said it is not negotiating a truce with Hamas but would have no reason to launch attacks on the Gaza Strip if rocket fire from the territory ceased. But it says it reserves the right to take military action to protect its citizens.

(However, Israel planned attacks on Gaza long before any rockets, which Israel's own defence staff warned would result from Israel's imposition of Collective Punishment on Gaza.)

The Egyptian intelligence chief, who is in regular contact with the Israelis, has been trying to negotiate a truce between Israel and Hamas, especially since Palestinians broke through the border with Egypt in January to escape a long Israeli siege.

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, on a Middle East tour which ended this week, tried to persuade Hamas to declare a unilateral ceasefire with Israel. Hamas declined on the grounds that Israel had not responded to similar gestures in the past.

Dozens of Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza in the past 10 days.

(Did you hear about them in our news?)

Three Israeli soldiers were killed on the border with Gaza on April 16.

MENA quoted a senior Egyptian official as saying that a truce would contribute to talks between Israel and the rival Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, as well as to reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah.

(Additional reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi; Writing by Jonathan Wright; Editing by Charles Dick)

www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2412233620080424

As Predicted: Israel Rejects Truce, Calls Offer 'Failure'
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8882/index.php

Real Diplomacy: Carter Meets Hamas
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8877/index.php

No Peace Without Hamas
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8876/index.php

Hamas ready to accept Israel as its neighbour: Carter
www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8874/index.php

Israel rejects Hamas offer for Gaza truce
Officials claim proposal would allow Palestinian group to re-arm

(However, with the policy these groups are responding to eliminated, they wouldn't need to. In reality, Israel doesn't wish to end the 'crisis' which it engineered.)

MSNBC News Services
updated 1:33 a.m. CT, Fri., April. 25, 2008

GAZA City, Gaza Strip - Israel dismissed on Friday a proposal by Hamas to call a conditional six-month truce in the Gaza Strip, calling it a ruse aimed at allowing the Palestinian elected group to recover from recent fighting.

"Hamas is biding time in order to rearm and regroup. There would be no need for Israel's defensive actions if Hamas would cease and desist from committing terrorist attacks on Israelis," Israeli government spokesman David Baker said.

(However, Israel's own defence staff warned that imposing illegal measures of Collective Punishment on Gaza, in order to undermine the elected Government, would provoke a violent response. If Israel ended this illegal and immoral policy, the fighting would follow.)

In apparent reference to Israeli air strikes and commando raids in Gaza, Baker added: "Israel will continue to act to protect its citizens."

(Rejecting peace, and imposing illegal measures known to provoke violence, do nothing to protect Israeli citizens ...)

Following talks with Egyptian mediators, Hamas on Thursday called for a mutual cessation of hostilities in Gaza along with an end to a crippling Israeli-led blockade on the territory.

During the proposed truce, Egypt would try to extend it to the occupied West Bank, another territory where Palestinians are fighting for statehood, Hamas said.

(Actually, it's another part of the Palestinian state Israel refuses to recognize ...)

Hamas, which controls Gaza while Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas holds sway in the West Bank, had previously demanded that any cease-fire be implemented in both areas simultaneously.

There have been few shooting attacks in the West Bank in recent years, but Israel has repeatedly said Abbas’ government is not yet capable of controlling militants in the territory.

(This is a very deceptive statement. While Palestinian violence has been scarce, Israeli attacks on Palestinians have spiked in recent years. The bias of this source is glaring ...)

Two Israeli security guards slain
Separately Friday, a Palestinian militant shot and killed two Israeli security guards in a factory on the border between Israel and the West Bank, the Israeli military said.

Medics pronounced the two middle-aged guards dead at the scene, rescue services said, and troops began combing surrounding areas for traces of the assailant.

No Palestinian militant group immediately claimed responsibility.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24292764/

In so doing, Israel's bluff has been called, and this Regime of Extremists have proven that it's the Palestinians who have no 'partner for peace'.

Carter: Israel rejected Hamas truce offer

Ex-US president blames Israel for denying Gazans food, water; says Hamas won elections 'fair and square'

Yitzhak Benhorin Published: 04.28.08, 21:34 / Israel News

WASHINGTON – Former US President Jimmy Carter says that following his meetings with Hamas leaders the group offered a truce in Gaza but Israel rejected the offer. During an interview with NBC, Carter also blamed Israel for denying the citizens of Gaza basic supplies such as water and food.

"I think it was productive, because all the things that we asked Hamas to do, they basically agreed to do," Carter said, referring to his recent trip. "One was to have a total ceasefire just in Gaza alone, where before they had said it must be Gaza and the West Bank as well. So they preferred to have a ceasefire, and announced it publicly after we left. Israel unfortunately rejected the ceasefire from Hamas.

(It was also productive in that it proved that the shameful cowardice of the world community is the reason this 'crisis', which could be easily resolved, continues, and only threatens to get worse. Carter proved that diplomacy is the answer, and refuted the propaganda claiming Hamas to be a group which cannot be dealt with. It also exposed the Israeli Government as the party rejecting peace.)

"There's no way to have peace in the Middle East without bringing the Palestinians back together if Hamas represents at least half of the Palestinian people," Carter added, citing the 2006 elections the United States insisted be held. "Hamas won the election fair and square. They got a majority of seats in the Parliament."

"But then the United States and Israel declared that there wouldn't be a Palestinian united government, so they declared that Hamas was a terrorist organization. They refused to negotiate with them. They refused to give food and water and electricity and other supplies to people under Hamas' leadership in Gaza, and that broke the whole situation down," he said.

(They also orchestrated a Coup Attempt, using corrupt elements of Fatah as proxies, in order to further divide the Palestinians, especially the Occupied Territories. Depite this being proven over a month ago, the media has ignored this massive scandal ...)

'Assad hopeful'

Carter also criticized the US, which he said was preventing the renewal of the peace process between Israel and Syria. Carter said he met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the latter told him that he had been distanced from peace talks by the US Government, but was now hopeful talks would be resumed.

In an article published by the New York Times, Carter said that Hamas would accept any truce agreed upon by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, on the condition that it had been approved by the elected parliament. Carter also said Hamas would disarm its military wing in Gaza if a non-political security force was established in the Strip.

Referring to kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, Carter said that if Israel were to agree to the list of prisoners that the Palestinians demanded be released, and freed the first batch, Shalit would be transferred to Egypt until the other prisoners were released.

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3537078,00.html

Carter: Gaza Blockade is an Atrocity, Residents Starving to Death
winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?13695S

As Predicted: Israel Rejects Truce Offer
winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14099S

Calling Israel's Bluff: Hamas Offers Truce, Negotiations
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8898/index.php

Hamas offers Gaza truce with Israel
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8890/index.php

Real Diplomacy: Carter Meets Hamas
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8877/index.php

No Peace Without Hamas
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8876/index.php

Hamas ready to accept Israel as its neighbour: Carter
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8874/index.php

No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8915/index.php

Since the Coup attempt coordinated by the Extremists in the US and Israel succeeding in dividing the Palestinian political class, I've been waiting for Israel to announce its new "offer" which would demand further sacrifices of the Palestinians, no compromise on the part of Israel, and a complete avoidance of Israel's outstanding legal and moral obligations.

Well, here it is ...

PA negotiators furious over Israeli proposal

Worrying strife breaks out between top Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qureia and Israeli counterpart after latter presents proposal of regional division (Apartheid, right?) in which Israel maintains claim to large settlement blocs, Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem

Roni Sofer and Ali Waked

Those in Washington pushing for an Israeli-Palestinian deal by the end of President Bush's term may have to scale down their expectation as the gaps between the two sides only seem to be growing larger.

(This was always the intended result of this facade ... Allowing the Zionists' sponsor and underwriter to lord over a "peace process" is utterly ludicrous, and the world knows it. History will not judge us kindly for our silence and Appeasement.)

A new bout of discord arose after a blowout between the Palestinian Authority's head negotiator, Ahmed Qureia, and Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni. Qureia angrily rejected a proposed map presented by Livni in which any future agreement would see Israel retaining control of the larger settlement blocs in the West Bank as well as the Jordan River Valley and Jerusalem.

Qureia grabbed the map spread out on the table and pushed it away with both hands.

The divide over the border fall-out was only further exacerbated after Qureia vehemently rebuffed comments made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Tuesday, in which he demanded a special security arrangement be made for a mountain ridge in Palestinian territory east of Ben Gurion Airport.

The recent turbulence indicates a permanent deal or even an agreement on certain basic principles may be even farther from reach.

(Which was the plan all along ...)

'Borders most simple among core issues'

"Among the three core issues being discussed in the negotiations the borders are considered the least problematic. The matter of the Palestinian refugees (The Right of Return being its proper name ...) and sovereignty over Jerusalem are far more complex and sensitive. This incident just clarifies how far we are from an agreement," said a senior Israeli official close to the proceedings.

Foreign Minister Livni's office said in response that "the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are not held in public. Furthermore, until everything is agreed upon, nothing is agreed. Conducting ourselves in the limelight has never contributed to achieving our goals "

A senior Palestinian official confirmed the details of the confrontation over the borders. Qureia has declined to comment on the meeting directly but the official said that the negotiator believes that talks are often fraught with anger. "Some ideas are rejected and some are accepted, some are logical and some are not," the source said.

Qureia: Barak can say whatever he wants

The most recent disagreement stems over Barak's comments during a tour of the mountain range east of the airport. "Right below us is the Ben Gurion Airport, a vital and sensitive region. We must ensure that if and when there political deals are made, we weigh in on the defense implications and the need to maintain control over security, de-facto, in the entire region," said Barak.

"Special arrangements will have to made here," he added.

Qureia said in response that Barak "can say whatever he wants, but the determining factor will be the negotiations and the outcome of the talks.

"On principle, we know what our rights are and will fight for them using all means and ways. We reject any demand, any position, or any Israeli statement regarding territory outside the 1967 borders."

A senior Palestinian official told Ynet he was unsurprised by Barak's comments. "Once he blew-up the Camp David talks and blamed it on Arafat and now he is panicking that the current negotiations may succeed. That is why he doing all this and making declarations that sour the atmosphere. Barak has taken the Labor party from the peace camp to the side of settlers and extremists. He poses an obstacle to the talks."

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3537537,00.html

Palestinians Agree on Truce - Waiting on Israel ...
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14273S

No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love

The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.

That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.

https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8915/index.php

Carter: Israel Rejected Truce Offer
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14272S

Carter: Gaza Blockade is an Atrocity, Residents Starving to Death
http://www.winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?13695S

As Predicted: Israel Rejects Truce Offer
http://www.winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14099S

Calling Israel's Bluff: Hamas Offers Truce, Negotiations
http://www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8898/index.php

Hamas offers Gaza truce with Israel
http://www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8890/index.php

Real Diplomacy: Carter Meets Hamas
http://www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8877/index.php

No Peace Without Hamas
http://www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8876/index.php

Hamas ready to accept Israel as its neighbour: Carter
http://www.israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8874/index.php

It's not like israel.
To keep saying the same lie over and over again.
At least the links aren't all from the same psychopathic sources.

Actually, the links all reference other stuff the same race baiter posted elsewhere. Sometimes obsessive racism s a symptom of mental illness.

The timing of this is interesting, as the Palestinians have offered Israel a cease-fire, which it appears Israel's ruling Extremists are going to reject out of hand. And of course they will. Why wouldn't they?

After all, they engineered this 'crisis', not only to undermine the elected Government, but to also try to weaken the Palestinians, so they will be more willing to accept any offer made, and to destroy any chance of a real peace process, which would force Zionism to finally live up to its substantial legal and moral obligations.

They will continue to brutalize the people of Gaza, so long as the international community and the people of Israel shamefully remain silent as it happens.
'Israel must be decisive'

Opposition Chairman Netanyahu tells local press in southern Israel ‘government's blindness’ to blame for Israel's inability to curtail incessant Qassam barrages

(Well, the illegal policy of Collective Punishment - which provoked the rockets, just as Israel's defense staff warned before they were imposed, in order to try and undermine the ELECTED Palestinian Government - is still in place. Israeli attacks on Gaza, planned months ago, have also slaughtered hundreds of civilians, and rather than accept peace offers from Hamas, Israel's ruling Extremists are calling for further escalations in their aggression. If that's the 'blindness' he's talking about, he's right. But of course, he's not ...)

Tova Dadon

“There will be no choice but to overthrow Hamas. They are essentially Iranian offshoots sitting within us. It’s intolerable that Israel allows its cities to be fired upon; we must move from a war of attrition to a war of decisivness,” said Opposition Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday in a meeting with local journalists in Netivot as he addressed Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza.

(This entire 'crisis' stems from Israel's rejection of the ELECTED Palestinian Government! This has all been an excercise in getting rid of them, but all of Israel's plans have backfired, and this type of rhetoric sounds frighteningly like Israel is plotting a bloodbath ...)

Netanyahu asserted that less than 500 Qassams were fired towards Israel prior to the disengagement in 2005, whereas since the pullout there have been over 4,000 rockets.

(He ignores, of course, the illegal policies which provoked the rockets ... His argument is a Straw Man.)

“This is a result of the government's blindness and erroneous political decisions, which led to the strengthening of the Hizbullah in the North,” added Netanyahu.

(They fought the war this criminal lobbied for. Now he's upset about it?)

Netanyahu also criticized Israel's conduct during the Second Lebanon War, saying that the forces were scattered and that therefore the outcome of the campaign was not as expected.

“Both the Arab world and the West expected focus - and for us to prevail, but it has become apparent that Israel failed to defeat Hizbullah because our efforts were not focused.”

(That's because Israel was too focused on 'setting back the clock twenty years', in other words, trying to cause as much damage as it could to Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, before being forced to cease its illegal attacks.)

Netanyahu also discussed the situation in southern Israel, saying that there was no room in so small a nation for any part to be disregarded as simply 'the periphery.'

"We will make sure this happens and it will prove beneficiary to the Negev and its underprivileged residents in particular.”

Netanyahu confirmed the Likud has decided to conserve its funds for a time of national elections rather than the upcoming municipal ones, saying he prefers one more Knesset member to one more councilmember in any given community.

(And he's has to do this, since Likud and its various Extremists have lost so much political support, both within Israel, and amongst the international Jewish community.)

Ze'ev Trachtman contributed to this report
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Calling Israel's Bluff: Palestinians Agree To Truce Offer
Which is futile, since Israel will only reject it, as it does not want the 'crisis' it engineered with the help of fellow Extremists in the US, to end.

Twelve Palestinian factions have agreed to proposals for a truce with Israel, starting in the Gaza Strip, Egypt's state news agency Mena says.

It says the proposed ceasefire will be a "comprehensive, reciprocal and simultaneous truce", and will later be extended to the West Bank.

Fatah and Hamas, the two main rival Palestinian groups, did not attend the talks in the Egyptian capital, Cairo.

(They aren't really 'rival' groups. Last June, Israel and the US used corrupt elements on Fatah as proxies in a failed Coup attempt, which effectively divided the Palestinians, in that old Colonial trick of "Divide & Rule" also being used in Iraq and Afghanistan.)

Israel on Friday rejected proposals by Hamas for such a truce.

(Proving that it is the Palestinians who have no 'partner for peace'. But of course they did. They engineered this crisis, and it's their desperate last-ditch effort to try and destroy the chance of a Palestinian state, as international condemnation and understanding of the conflict spreads worldwide.)

Israeli officials described the offer by Hamas as a ploy to gain time to prepare for more fighting.

(So what ... ? They're pathological liars, who reject peace.)

But responding to news of Wednesday's agreement in Cairo Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said: ''Israel wants quiet in the South. For quiet to be sustainable, it must contain three vital elements: an end to all hostile fire from Gaza into Israel, an end to terror attacks and an end to the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. If this were to happen we could have quiet tomorrow.''

(Israel's problem is that it think s 'negotiations' means 'give us everything we want, and then maybe we'll talk'.)

Truce conditions

The 12 smaller Palestinian factions backed the ceasefire proposed by Hamas after a series of meetings with senior Egyptian officials in Cairo.

Mena quoted an unnamed high-ranking Egyptian official as saying that the proposal included a "comprehensive, reciprocal and simultaneous truce".

The official added that it would be "implemented in a graduated framework starting in the Gaza Strip and then subsequently moving to the West Bank".

Egypt has been working to broker a deal that would include a six-month ceasefire between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip, an exchange of prisoners and the opening of Gaza's border crossing.

But the Palestinian groups want the truce to also include the West Bank.

"We are in favour of the truce, on the condition that it be balanced, reciprocal, equal and comprehensive, to include Gaza and the West Bank as well," Talal Nagy of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, but it still controls the borders of the territory where Hamas seized control last year (After the corrupt elements of Fatah, in a Coup attempt. coordinated by the US and Israel, failed to unseat the ELECTED Government. Ignoring these revelations this far along proves a conscious intent within the corporate media to mislead the public.)

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7375511.stm

No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love

The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.

That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.

israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8915/index.php

No, Israel rejects the prospect of peace, because the Extremists in the Knesset engineered this crisis as a way to avoid having to live up to its substantial legal and moral obligations.

They will continue to slaughter the residents of Gaza until they are forced to stop.

By 'peace' you mean the elimination of the state of Israel entirely,of course....so naturally Israel isn't going to agree to commit mass national suicide...so if you want to stooge for the 'Palestinian' death cult,be my guest

Jimmy Carter, the darling of the anti-Israel left, continues his effort to give legitimacy to Hamas in the pages of yesterday's New York Times. Anyone with a working knowledge of 20th century history cannot fail to recognize the parallels between Carter and another tragically wrong-headed failed Western leader, Neville Chamberlain.

Actually, Carter's misguided missive adapts surprisingly well to Chamberlain's capitulation at Munich in 1938. Imagine that Carter had been writing at that time...... (you can apply the appropriate "Wayback machine" sound effects and visuals here) and this is what would have appeared in the Times in September 1938:


A COUNTERPRODUCTIVE Washington policy in recent years has been to boycott and punish political factions or governments that refuse to accept United States mandates. This policy makes difficult the possibility that such leaders might moderate their policies.

I, my wife and my son went to Germany. My goal was to learn as much as possible to assist in the faltering peace initiative endorsed by Prime Minister Chamberlain. Although I knew that many in the West were concerned about the government of Germany and leaders of the Nazi Party, I did not receive any negative or cautionary messages about the trip.
The Carter Center had monitored German elections since 1928, including one for parliamentary seats in January 1933. The Nazis had prevailed in several municipal contests, gained a reputation for effective and honest administration and did surprisingly well in the legislative race, displacing the ruling party. Eventually, the Nazis gained control of Germany and opinion polls show them steadily gaining popularity. Since there can be no peace with Germans divided between Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, we at the Carter Center believed it important to explore conditions allowing the Nazis to be brought peacefully back into the discussions.
We met with Nazi leaders from Germany, Austria and the Sudetenland, and after two days of intense discussions with one another they gave these official responses to our suggestions, intended to enhance prospects for peace:
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Germany will accept any agreement negotiated with the government of Czechoslovakia, as long as it is put to a referendum of Germans everywhere.
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When the time comes, the Nazis will accept the possibility of forming a nonpartisan professional government of technocrats to govern the Sudetenland until the next elections can be held.
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The Nazis will also disband the SS if a nonpartisan professional security force, led by the same individuals, can be formed.
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The Nazis will permit Jews held in concentration camps to send letters to their families.
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The Nazis will declare a peaceful border between the Sudetenland and the rest of Czechoslovakia, which might be extended to the rest of Europe at some later time.
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Through more official consultations with these leaders, it may yet be possible to revive and expedite the stalemated peace talks between Germany and its neighbors. In Europe, the path to peace lies in negotiation, not in isolation.

"Actually, Carter's misguided missive adapts surprisingly well to Chamberlain's capitulation at Munich in 1938."
Actually, the israeli cat's paw of corporate imperialism has been the constant recipient of capitulation.
That's very more like the appeasement of latter day nazis while they commit the usual armed slaughter against the occupied native populations.
Your statement is twisted around according to reality.

....I mean it's all of 5 million Israelis against only 100 million poor helpless primitive Arabs......poor Arabs....kinda makes ya feel sorry for their helpless butts doesn't it?....especially when their fellow Arabs treat the 'Palestinians' like the red headed stepchild

No, Israel's ruling Extremists - against the wishes of most Israelis - rejects the prospect of peace, because the Extremists in the Knesset engineered this crisis as a way to avoid having to live up to its substantial legal and moral obligations.

They will continue to slaughter the residents of Gaza until they are forced to stop, or they've successfully prevented the creation of a Palestinians state.

But their recent acts of desperation suggest that this is their last-gasp, as the people of the world demand this silence and inaction in the face of such evil end.

We get it. You hate Arabs and reject peace.

Go back to your little Hate Sites.

We don't need, nor want, you here ...

With nothing at all but 800 times the land and 50 times the population and extensive oil reserves.
Get the Arab world out from Israeli domination!!!!!

And among these awful arabs, how many have a huge nuclear arsenal?
And the power of the US behind it?

.....it's pretty much a draw

However, Turkey claims Iran have nuclear bombs NOW

As a Russian general disclosed that the Islamic Republic is in possession of the nuclear bomb, Turkey also joined Israel, the United States and some other nation in expression "serious concern" about new Iranian test-firing of the medium-range Shahab-3 missile.

Iran does have nuclear weapons", General Yuri Baluyevsky, the Russian Deputy Chief of Staff told journalists, adding: "Of course, these are non-strategic nuclear weapons. I mean these are not ICBMs with a range of more than 5,500 kilometers and more. But as a military man, I see no danger of aggression against Russia by Iran. As for the danger of Iran's attack on the United States, the danger is zero", he said, not mentionning the dangers the missile presents for Middle Eastern nations, particularly Israel, that Iranian ruling clerics wanted to wipe out from the region.

According to the well-informed "WorldTribune" website, the Russian general’s disclosure of Iran possessing nuke weapon was missed by journalists present at a briefing he gave two weeks ago during the Bush-Putin Summit in Moscow.

At the Summit, Russian President denied U.S. charges that Russian help to Iran to build a nuclear power reactor at Bushehr would help Iran secure weapons of mass destruction.

However, this was the first time that a Russian general says on the record that Iran has atomic bomb, which he categorises as "non-strategic".

But the "WorlTribune" observed that journalists at the briefing completely missed the importance of general Baluyevsky's assertion. "The Russian deputy chief of staff has just said on the record that Iran has nuclear weapons", highlighted WorldTribune.

General Baluyevsky also did not said where from the Iranian ayatollahs got the weapon, since the nuclear power station that is under construction in the Iranian port of Bushehr on the Persian Gulf with Russian assistance is not completed.

Washington and Tel-Aviv routinely accuses Russia with supplying Iran with nuclear and missile technologies know-how, but both Moscow and Tehran reject the charges, insisting that the Bushehr power station is of civilian nature and is being constructed under the constant and regular supervision of experts from the Vienna-based International Agency for Atomic Energy (IAAE).

While President George W. Bush has labeled Iran as an "evil state" and the US State Department has placed the Mullahrchy on the top of its list of regime that are the main supporter of terrorism, Tel-Aviv, for its part, say it considers the Iranian program for developing the Shahab-3 missile and continuing its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction as a serious menace to its existence and reiterates that it would do whaever it could for preventing the ayatollahs to get the nuclear weapons and the means to transport them.

Like President Vladimir Putin, General Baluyevsky asserted that Iran and Russia have broad and concrete economic co-operation, which, he said, are "consistent" with the requirements applied to the non-proliferation of missile technologies and weapons of mass destruction. "This co-operation will continue", he assured.

Iran and Russia also signed a 3 to 7 billions US Dollars agreement for purchasing Russian-made warfare to modernise the Iranian ageing arsenal, made of very old American and British planes and tanks plus a certain amount of Russian-made weapons, including three Kilo-class diesel-powered submarines, Mig-29 fighters and Sukhoy bombers.

Meanwhile in Ankara, Turkish Foreign Affairs Ministry said it has expressed its concern to Iran over the test firing of Shahab-3 missiles, thus joining Israel and the United States, both its allies.

"It is being stated that the recent testing of the Shahab-3 missiles were related with the increase of its 1300 km-long-range, as well as its capability to destruct. Our sensitivity has been brought to the attention of the Iranian side. Efforts to increase the range of the missiles as well as the expansion of them, will not serve for the global security and stability", Turkish Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Huseyn Dirioz said Wednesday.

Ankara showed similar reactions by such public statements twice before, said the English-language Turkish Daily News, adding that the first reaction was shown on July 19, 2000 and the second was made on July 1, 2001 by Foreign Affairs Ministry.

The Shahab-3 program is based on the North Korean old version of No-Dong missiles, itself a derivative of Chinese and Russian-made models, military experts say.

Meanwhile, Iran's new ambassador Firooz Daulatabadi met with the undersecretary of the Foreign Ministry Ugur Ziyal for a courtesy call. The missile issue was not raised, both Turkish and Iranian officials told the Turkish Daily News (TDN). ENDS IRAN HAS A BOMB 6602
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2002/Jun_2002/iran_has_nuke_6602.htm

So now this retired general is dusted off from the halcyon days of 2002!
Why in the hell does israel want a war with Iran?
I mean why israel wants America to have a war with Iran?
Is the leadership of israel totally insane?
The very idea of a war with modern weapons in that region is a nightmare for everyone there and most likely here.
Why can't israel show us the extent of their oun nuclear arsenal and their targeting systems? I suspect because these unregistered nukes are for sinister design. Will these extreme lunatics end this era of life?

No Middle East Peace Without Tough Love
By Henry Siegman

25/04/08 "Al-Hayat" -- - We now have word that Tony Blair, envoy of the Middle East Quartet (the UN, the EU, Russia and the United States), and German Chancellor Angela Merkel intend to organize yet another peace conference, this time in Berlin in June. It is hard to believe that after the long string of failed peace initiatives, stretching back at least to the Madrid conference of 1991, statesmen and stateswomen are recycling these failures without seemingly having a clue as to why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is even more hopeless today than before these peace exercises first got underway.

The scandal of the international community's impotence in resolving one of history's longest bloodlettings is that it knows what the problem is but does not have the courage to speak the truth, much less deal with it. The next peace conference in Germany (or in Moscow, where the Russians want to hold it) will suffer from the same gutlessness that has marked all previous efforts. It will deal with everything except the problem primarily responsible for this conflict's multi-generational impasse.

That problem is that for all of the sins attributable to the Palestinians - and they are legion, including inept and corrupt leadership, failed institution-building and the murderous violence of the rejectionist groups-there is no prospect for a viable, sovereign Palestinian state primarily because Israel's various governments, from 1967 until today, have never intended allowing such a state to come into being.

It is one thing if Israeli governments had insisted on delaying a Palestinian state until certain Israeli security concerns were dealt with. But no government that is serious about a two-state solution to the conflict would have pursued without let-up the theft and fragmentation of Palestinian lands that even a child understands makes Palestinian statehood impossible.

Given the overwhelming disproportion of power between the occupier and the occupied, it is hardly surprising that Israeli governments and their military and security establishments found it difficult to resist the acquisition of Palestinian land. What is astounding is that the international community, pretending to believe Israel's claim that it is the victim and its occupied subjects the aggressors, has allowed this devastating dispossession to continue and the law of the jungle to prevail.

As long as Israel knows that by delaying the peace process it buys time to create facts on the ground that will prove irreversible, and that the international community will continue to indulge Israel's pretense that its desire for a two-state solution is being frustrated by the Palestinians, no new peace initiative can succeed, and the dispossession of the Palestinian people will indeed become irreversible.

There can be no greater delusion on the part of Western countries weighed down by guilt about the Holocaust than the belief that accommodating such an outcome would be an act of friendship to the Jewish people. The abandonment of the Palestinians now is surely not an atonement for the abandonment of European Jewry seventy years ago, nor will it serve the security of the State of Israel and its people.

John Vinocur of the New York Times recently suggested that the virtually unqualified declarations of support for Israel by Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy are "at a minimum an attempt to seek Israeli moderation by means of public assurances with this tacit subtext: these days, the European Union is not, or is no longer, its reflexive antagonist." But the expectation that uncritical Western support of Israel would lead to greater Israeli moderation and greater willingness to take risks for peace is blatantly contradicted by the conflict's history.

Time and again, this history has shown that the less opposition Israel encounters from its friends in the West for its dispossession of the Palestinians, the more uncompromising its behavior. Indeed, Olmert's reaction to Sarkozy's and Merkel's expressions of eternal solidarity and friendship have had exactly that result: Olmert approved massive new construction in East Jerusalem- authorizing housing projects that were frozen for years by previous governments because of their destructive impact on the possibility of a peace agreement-as well as continued expansion of Israel's settlements. And Olmert's defense minister, Ehud Barak, declared shortly after Merkel's departure that he will remove only a token number of the more than 500 checkpoints and roadblocks that Israel has repeatedly promised, and just as repeatedly failed, to dismantle.

That announcement shattered whatever hope Palestinians may have had for recovery of their economy as a consequence of the seven billion dollars in new aid promised by the international donor community in Paris last December. In these circumstances, the donor countries, not to speak of the private sector, will not pour good money after bad, as they so often have in the past.

So what is required of statesmen is not more peace conferences or clever adjustments to previous peace formulations, but the moral and political courage to end their collaboration with the massive hoax the
peace process has been turned into. Of course, Palestinian violence must be condemned and stopped, particularly when it targets civilians. But is it not utterly disingenuous to pretend that Israel's occupation-maintained by IDF-manned checkpoints and barricades, helicopter gunships, jet fighter planes, targeted assassinations and military incursions, not to speak of the massive theft of Palestinian lands-is not itself an exercise in continuous and unrelenting violence against more than 3 million Palestinian civilians? If Israel were to renounce violence, could the occupation last even one day?

Israel's designs on the West Bank are not much different than the designs of the Arab forces that attacked the Jewish state in 1948 - the nullification of the international community's partition resolution of 1947. Short of addressing the problem by its right name-something that is of an entirely different order than hollow statements that "settlements do not advance peace"-and taking effective collective action to end a colonial enterprise that disgraces what began as a noble Jewish national liberation struggle, further peace conferences, no matter how well intentioned, make their participants accessories to one of the longest and cruelest deceptions in the annals of international diplomacy.


Henry Siegman, director of the US/Middle East Project in New York, is research professor at the Sir Joseph Hotung Middle East Program, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. Siegman is a former national director of the American Jewish Congress and of the Synagogue Council of America.

Warnings Pour in For Israel to Cease Collective Punishment
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?10555S

Red Cross Condemns Gaza Collective Punishment (the First Round)
winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?8994S

As Predicted: Gaza Reoccupation Planned
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/01/388658.html

As Predicted: Israel Attacks Gaza
alaanasnews.blogspot.com/2007/12/as-predicted-israel-attacks-gaza.html

Israel Destroys Gaza Interior Ministry, Blocks UN Aid
today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2008-01-18T

UN Condemns 'Cowardly Israeli War Crime'
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/01/389828.html

Probe: At Least Half of Palestinians Killed by IDF Were Civilians
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/944276.html

Israeli Attacks on Palestinians, Killings, Doubled Since Annapolis
www.uruknet.de/?p=m40008&hd=&size=1&l=e

UN Condemns Collective Punishment of Gaza
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/01/389757.html?c=on#c187937

It's All Right, I'm Only Bleeding
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?10557S

Israel, World Jewry Drift Apart
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?10554S

An Experiment in Famine: Hamas is Not the Real Issue
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?10872S

Jewish Groups Condemn Collective Punishment of Gaza
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?10877S

Iran Jewish MP criticises "anti-human" Israel acts
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080507/tpl-uk-israel-palestinians-1948-iran-43a8d4f.html

A Human Rights Crime In Gaza
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14547S

Poll Reveals Neo-Con Zionist Groups Unrepresentative
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?14454S

Western Jews Revolt Against Zionist Bully Tactics
https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/6119/index.php

Zionism's Support Faltering
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?6297S

Israel and the USA Plotting Attacks on Iran
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?6540S

Jordan Thornton spam, he's a pundit without a fact or a clue.

And despite the sheer stupitiy of his posts, he can' t understand why we make fun of him!

If he even exists, you 'make fun of him' in a weak attempt to hide the fact that you can't address or refute anything he posts, nor can you support the indefensible policies and cultish Extremists you support.

No, Jordahn Thornton, that idiot, never posts anythingof value and generally just spams the same crap over and over again like "Peace, Justice and the Promised land", a hack piece so biased that even the anti-Israel crowd has had to admit that its a wildly biased propganda piece. Its also been made clear that this idiot doesn't understand Hebrew, Arabic, Yiddish or Aramaic, doesn't know the history and has never actually been to the Middle East. Despite that, the idiot wants to pontificate to those who know better, abothings he know nothing about. Generaly, those that aren't invovled inte situation in any way, yet only want to critisize israel at every turn , no matter what, are Classic Jew Haters. I suspect that we've identified one here.

"No, Jordahn Thornton, that idiot, never posts anythingof value"

If he indeed posts the articles where you react by shouting at this phantom, then I disagree. The articles in question are of great value.

You simply don't like them because they undermine the ideology you're here to run interference for.

"generally just spams the same crap over and over again"

Spam is unwanted material. The pieces you've identified are very welcome here at IMC - I suspect that's why you hate IMC so much, and spend such an unhealthy amount of time attacking it.

"like "Peace, Justice and the Promised land", a hack piece so biased that even the anti-Israel crowd has had to admit ..."

It's a well-made and researched documentary. You simply see a 'bias' because it exposes the actual bias present within the tightly-controlled media.

Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land
http://www.freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=169

Your other statement is a flat-out lie, which doesn't exactly help your case.

"Its also been made clear that this idiot doesn't understand Hebrew, Arabic, Yiddish or Aramaic"

Namecalling is childish, and disinformation, and none of that is relevant to the subject, nor someone's ability to be informed.

"doesn't know the history"

Again, if 'Jordon' posted the things you claim, then he does, indeed, know the history. Perhaps you simply don't like him sharing the history, since it reverses the Propaganda you post.

"and has never actually been to the Middle East."

Again, that's wholy irrelevant, which only makes you appear to be grasping at straws, in order to distract from the subject. I've never been to Iraq, but I know the war on that country is illegal and indefensible.

"Generaly, those that aren't invovled inte situation in any way, yet only want to critisize israel at every turn"

It doesn't appear that this is Rabbi Siegman's motive ...

"no matter what, are Classic Jew Haters."

Tossing that label about so off-handedly, especially when Zionism and Israel don't represent the Jewish community, is itself, Antisemitic.

Warning to all Indy Media readers

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http://ottawa.indymedia.ca/en/2007/07/4867.shtml

"Though all other readers of Thunder Bay Indymedia are welcome back now that the site is once again functioning, you should not be surprised to discover that you and your religiously intolerant hate spewing anti Arab racist propaganda remain unwelcome. Your obsessive abuse of the Indymedia network across the entire country has wasted countless hours of volunteer time that has been spent attempting to provide alternatives for local media content.

Once again, all material unrelated to local issues will be hidden.

The administrators of this site apologize for the disruptive behaviour of a racist who lives far away and dedicates an unhealthy and obsessive amount of time to trying to destroy this community forum. In hopes that we can not allow a bad apple to spoil the bunch, as the old saying goes, please do your best to navigate the site around him."

http://www.thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/26693_comment.php#28239

While "Palestinians: whine about Nakhba, lets imagine how things would look if it had gone the otherway in 1948 and the Arabs had won, G-d forbid. Does anyone think that there'd be a Jewish minority clamoring for their rights and statehood? Most people think that the Arabs would have carried out their promise to implement a "slaughter like none seen since the time of the Mongols." How many Jewish prisoners of war were returned by the Arabs after 1948 and how many were executed (and typically mutilated) after being disamed and captured? But instead, having lost their racist wars,"Palestinians" demand things as their "rights" that they would have NEVER permitted for Jews. Thats the REAL definition of "Nakba."

So should the "Palestinians be treated the exact same way as they promised to treat others. If not, why not?

You've been outted, Plant. Take a hike.

Imagine if someone spoke of Jews 'whining about the Holocaust". Antisemitic, right?

The Plant's racism is no different.

While "Palestinians: whine about Nakhba, lets imagine how things would look if it had gone the otherway in 1948 and the Arabs had won, G-d forbid. Does anyone think that there'd be a Jewish minority clamoring for their rights and statehood? Most people think that the Arabs would have carried out their promise to implement a "slaughter like none seen since the time of the Mongols." How many Jewish prisoners of war were returned by the Arabs after 1948 and how many were executed (and typically mutilated) after being disamed and captured? But instead, having lost their racist wars,"Palestinians" demand things as their "rights" that they would have NEVER permitted for Jews. Thats the REAL definition of "Nakba."

So should the "Palestinians be treated the exact same way as they promised to treat others. If not, why not?

No, because it's not an honest question. But kudos for following those Hasbara/Disinformation guidelines by the letter.

You've been outted, Plant. Take a hike.

Imagine if someone spoke of Jews 'whining about the Holocaust". Antisemitic, right?

The Plant's racism is no different.

While "Palestinians: whine about Nakhba, lets imagine how things would look if it had gone the otherway in 1948 and the Arabs had won, G-d forbid. Does anyone think that there'd be a Jewish minority clamoring for their rights and statehood? Most people think that the Arabs would have carried out their promise to implement a "slaughter like none seen since the time of the Mongols." How many Jewish prisoners of war were returned by the Arabs after 1948 and how many were executed (and typically mutilated) after being disamed and captured? But instead, having lost their racist wars,"Palestinians" demand things as their "rights" that they would have NEVER permitted for Jews. Thats the REAL definition of "Nakba."

So should the "Palestinians be treated the exact same way as they promised to treat others. If not, why not?

"no one will answer my question"
You can't answer a parrot. They just keep posting the same repiticious lying/confusion/question. One that the answer to is too honest to understand.
Equal rights for all people w/o the state molestation that an occupied people endure.
Free Palestine from the occupation of western power through its israeli flog.

That was just contentless name calling and advoidance. It means that you can't answer my question because you don't have a good answer and you don't want to admit that the "Palestinians" have created their own situation and that they should be treated EXACTLY the way that they have promised to treat others.

That's YOUR M.O., Plant.

I post facts and source material.

You Distract.

Can we have some other response [ from the zionist peanut gallery ] besides the -
It never happened
We didn't do it
They deserved it anyway
Other people do it too-

-low crawl away from their own messy trail of death and blood? Or the usual mindless, pointless denial?

Equal rights for all in Palestine; tear down your walls.
Free Palestine from the yoke of colonial genocide.