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How To Rig a KPFK Election

by Leslie Radford, KPFK LSB candidate Monday, Dec. 10, 2007 at 4:48 PM
leslie@radiojustice.net

"It now seems likely that the Committee, with anonymous financial backing, negotiated with election officials to delay the date for mailing ballots to coordinate with the mailing of their $6-$7,000 mailer promoting their slate of candidates. Meanwhile, unfinanced independent candidates began their campaign on schedule, unaware of the backroom maneuverings."

(for those with money and influence)

The KPFK election appears to be rigged; it seems the fix was in before the ballots ever went out.  If that's the case, the only hope to keep KPFK in the hands of the people of Southern California is a mass vote against the Committee To Strengthen KPFK and the corruption that's enabled them to steal the election.  Reports are now circulating that the election deadline may be extended to December 26 to achieve the 10% quorum necessary to certify the election.  That delay will give those who haven't voted a chance to do so and those who want to change their vote that opportunity.

jimi.jpgIt now seems likely that the Committee, with anonymous financial backing, negotiated with election officials to delay the date for mailing ballots to coordinate with the mailing of their $6-$7,000 mailer promoting their slate of candidates.  Meanwhile, unfinanced independent candidates began their campaign on schedule, unaware of the backroom maneuverings.  The collusion may have gone so far that the National Election Supervisor and interim Executive Director for the Pacifica Radio Foundation violated the Foundation's own bylaws requirement of an October 15 deadline for mailing ballots in order that the Committee's glossy endorsements would reach voters before or simultaneous with the ballot, maximizing the endorsement's influence on voters.

Meanwhile, without notice of the new date, independent candidates began their campaign on the "mandated" start date of October 15, with flyers, emails, endorsements from supporters, and public notices.  It was eight days later, long enough for effect of the independents' initial push to wane, that ballots were finally released.  While the Committee To Strengthen KPFK has engaged in behind-the-scenes organization with the National Elections Supervisor, the independent candidates fumed over the silence from the NES to their questions and concerns about election violations. 

The head of Pacifica's election campaign committee, Terry Goodman, first let the cat out of the bag in an email on a private listserv.  Goodman revealed that the Committee To Strengthen KPFK was determining when the ballots should go out.  According to Goodman, "the mailing of ballots was delayed because the mailing of the slate promo was delayed."

The collusion at KPFK echoed the maneuverings by The Committee To Strengthen KPFK's allies, the ACE slate at KPFK's sister sister WBAI.  An email exchange between ACE members and the National Elections Supervisor, Casey Peters, revealed the collusion there.  Another member of the Pacifica elections committee, Carolyn Birden, posted emails between Mitch Cohen of ACE and Peters in which they discuss openly that they had agreed to delay the ballots to coordinate with the ACE mailer. 

From: Mitchel Cohen [mitchelco...@mindspring.com]
Sent: 10/25/2007 4:38:22 PM
To: pacif...@mail2casey.com
Subject: Re: When were ballots mailed?

Hi Casey,

As a few folks in Manhattan began receiving their ballots already today (Thursday), I am curious as to when, exactly, the ballots were mailed out.

Were they in the mail already while we were speaking on the phone on Wednesday afternoon, discussing options for what to do about WBAI's booklet?

Please let me know.

Thanx.

Mitchel

From: "Casey Peters"
To:
Subject: Re: When were ballots mailed?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:05:41 -0700

Hi Mitchell.
If the ballots were mailed when we spoke, it was without my knowledge or permission. I have heard some other reports along this line, and we are looking into it.
-- Casey

Two days later, Cohen discussed with another ACE member that Pacifica's Interim Executive Director, Dan Siegel, had defied the Peters' autonomy to manage the elections and ordered the ballots to be mailed, perhaps out of frustration with the delay.  Cohen orders, "We also need to unscramble Dan Siegel's relationship to this particular mailing house. Did he have personal access? (It appears that he personally directed them to mail out ballots, over Casey's decision not to do so yet."

Birden arrogantly demands that the elections committee investigate Siegel's "interference" in the dealmaking between the ACE slate and Peters.  And Birden suggests that the premature mailing has affronted Carol Spooner, a former Pacifica National Board member from Berkeley, who has helped organize slates for past elections in New York and Los Angeles.  Spooner has been mentioned as the attorney prepared to bring a lawsuit against Pacifica on behalf of the Committee To Strengthen KPFK.  Birden argues to the Elections Committee that, "Siegel violated the agreement he and Casey had made with Spooner not to release ballots until the ACE mailing was ready."

So, to all appearances, the Pacifica bylaws were violated to accommodate The Committee To Strengthen KPFK's mail schedule, as it was for their New York allies.

But the story doesn't end there.  The independent candidates, still unaware of the manipulations behind the ballot delay, complained to the Pacifica National Board that they were not informed that they had a right to the station's mailing list and, presumably, to its much less expensive email list.  The "remediation" they got for the acknowledged inequities was revealed by Goodman to be a placating ruse.  According to Goodman, "The 'faction' for whom remedy was granted at KPFK is the 'faction' consisting of all those candidates who didn't carefully plan an election campaign, but the remedy will actually have minimal effect on the results."

So the Pacifica elections committee chair mocks the "disorganized" candidates, those who had no notice that they had to re-organize their campaigns, and implicitly applauds the "organized" candidates, who were secretly working with the National Election Supervisor to both advantage themselves and disadvantage those candidates who didn't have high-level access to violate published timetables and the Pacifica Bylaws.

The PNB acknowledged that the all candidates did not have equal access to the mailing list and that the election financing was discriminatory, and responded with a resolution for remediation for those candidates.  The PNB left the particulars of the remediation to a group including the National Elections Supervisor, the Pacifica legal counsel, the interim General Manager at KPFK, and the PNB board members from KPFK.

If the remediation group met, the meeting was not noticed, so aggrieved candidates could not participate in the remediation process.  Goodman reveals that two actions were undertaken to "remediate" the inequity, but he does not explain who made the decisions.  The first was an extension of the voting deadline to December 11, and the second was the opportunity to replace an original ballot with a changed ballot, according to Goodman.  Goodman tells the private list that both were a sham, a political trick to placate complaining candidates.  Of the extension, Goodman says that "the deadline was extended at KPFK in response to a PNB motion demanding remedy for the mailing of a campaign promo by a slate" but "the extension would very likely have occurred regardless" because of the delayed ballot mailing."  Of course, any extension of time benefits all parties equally.

Even the opportunity to file a changed ballot was standard election policy and not a remediation, according to Goodman: "Actually, anyone can change their votes in any Pacifica election simply by reporting before a deadline that they didn't receive a ballot. Their prior ballot submission is then voided as if intercepted even if it wasn't. We don't normally point this out because replacing ballots is expensive."  But again, allowing universal changes to ballots is not remediation to any party.

Goodman sums up the fraud: "Some complainers imagine that it can make a difference and so feel better thinking that the advantage obtained by those who actually planned a campaign has somehow been equalized by this ruling. Rationales don't have to be reasonable to have political validity."

So both the mailing of the ballots and the "remediation" promised to independent candidates were designed to make sure the Committee To Strengthen KPFK wins election to the Local Station Board.  The only solution is to ensure that independent candidates take control of the LSB and can elect their representatives to the Pacifica National Board.  From there, they can use their own experience in this election to guarantee that future Pacifica elections are free of false promises and insider collusion with election officials. 

If you are a member of KPFK, you can get information on getting a replacement ballot and voting by calling 818-985-2711.  Take over the station.

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STRAIGHT OUT OF THEROVE PLAYBOOK

by Stop White Power Monday, Dec. 10, 2007 at 6:06 PM

I knew from experience that the Committee to Strengthen KPFK was a corrupt group of power grabbers, interested only in maintaining white west side power over the station, but DAMN!

They have been SO blatant this time out!

LIla Garrett's "Hail to the Jews" Piece, Eben Rey's up front Republicanism and migrant hating, Grace Aaron's public lies and evasions, are all public knowledge now. No one who reads Indymedia and who wants to know what's up can even miss the meaning

The Committee to "Strengthen" KPFK Is a power elite , by and large a white power elIte, one, at a minimum whose focus is on keeping power in white west side hands.

I guess it wasn't enough for them to try to outright buy the election using foundation and Democratic Party money,
they had to push their power to the limit, apparently using threats of a lawsuit, if I am reading you right, to corner the election supervisor into giving them every advantage, forcing him to run the elections on their terms, while completely dising and ignoring the independent candidates, who, far from being involved in face to face negotiations with the election chiefs, can't even get answers to their questions about the most blatant election violations.

I HOPE YOU SUE. Obviously the whole institution has been corrupted, and the "Committee" is at or near the heart of the corruption
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Future of KPFK in doubt

by Larry Monday, Dec. 10, 2007 at 9:38 PM

The damage that Grace Aaron and her "committee" have done to the station and community leaves me worried if KPFK has any future.

They say they want to strengthen the station but running off people who don't live on the West Side will not strengthen KPFK one bit.

Rumors about what these people want to do at the station and the programs they want to remove leave me dismayed. I won't repeat them.

However, I will say this: if the slate committee cuts David Barsamian's Alternative Radio you will never get another ten cents from me.

After all the work the community did to protect KPFK from the last assault, it is a shame to see it all go down the drain.
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The COmmittee's history of Racism at KPFK

by Tejano Monday, Dec. 10, 2007 at 9:58 PM

The Committee to 'Strengthen' KPFK has way more to live down than Eben Rey's support of the arch racist Lou Dobbs and Lila Garrrett'a crazed rant "Hail to the Jews". Several of tits members - Grace Aaron, Donna Warren, Lila Garrett, Eben Rey, and others, have long been aligned with and are identical with the faction at KPFK that sought to keep peoples of color out of having a real voice at KPFK - they opposed any measures in the Pacifica network's bylaws that would have redressed the profound imbalance in representation on the board - and on the airwaves, for LA's "Minority" communities.

Minority" is actually a misnomer here. People of color are actually the majority in LA. More people speak Spanish at home than English, for example - but you wouldn't know it to listen to KPFK, which for decades has been under the thumb of the same old tired ass white west side liberals - the very group the "Committee" wants to keep in power - that same group they are willing to steal and cheat their way to an election victory to keep in power.
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Fred's almost on it

by Leslie Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2007 at 5:42 PM

From my candidate statement on, I've been trying to tell people pretty much what Fred said, except that I offered a different solution: don't vote for the oldtimers, the ones who have created and perpetuated this mess. Vote for new people for the board. I've listed my favorites at my website. These are the people who haven't been involved in all of this, who have organizing experience, who just might be able to salvage the station.

Fred asks, why bother? Because KPFK is potentially one hell of an organizing tool. It has the history, the reputation, maybe the strongest radio signal west of the Mississippi, state of the art studios, and talent. Lots of talent. All of that is mired down by what you've glimpsed here on L.A. Indymedia over the past couple of months. The station needs liberation, and there are people on the ballot ready to do that. Free KPFK.
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Re: Leslie

by Baldwin Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2007 at 7:29 PM

Thank you for the article. Do other candidates have a list like you have of their Favorite candidates?
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No extension! (and a note to Baldwin)

by Leslie Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2007 at 9:33 PM
leslie@radiojustice.net

Got confirmation tonight that there will be NO EXTENSION of the election deadline--the election supervisor says the station has met quorum. You must get your ballot to the station tomorrow. The ONLY way to do that is to drop it off at the station.

If you don't have your ballot, they will have some there.

KPFK is at

3729 Cahuenga Blvd. West
North Hollywood, CA
Main phone: (818) 985-2711

Road and bus maps are available at the KPFK website.

Driving Directions and Parking

Driving North on Route 101, the Hollywood Fwy.
(heading away from downtown)

Take the northbound Lankershim Exit, staying in the left exit lane
Turn left onto Lankershim Blvd.
Turn left onto Cahuenga Blvd.

KPFK, at 3729 Cahuenga Blvd., is the two story red brick building on the right side, just 4 buildings before the next light. A Panda Express is directly across the street. Turn right into the parking lot just before the KPFK building.

Driving South on Route 101, the Hollywood Fwy.
(heading toward downtown from the valley)

Take the southbound Lankershim Exit, staying in the middle exit lane
Turn right onto Cahuenga Blvd from the middle exit lane. Note: The middle exit lane lets you turn into the "fast" lane on Cahuenga in preparation for an immediate left.

KPFK, at 3729 Cahuenga Blvd., is the two story red brick building on the left side, just 4 buildings from the exit ramp. Turn left into the parking lot just past the KPFK building.

Parking at KPFK

Our parking lot is over-capacity at this time. If you are coming during a fund drive at a peak hour, it is likely you will need to find street parking. We apologize for this inconvenience.

On Cahuenga Blvd. there is metered parking, the meters vary from 1 to 10 hours. On the residential streets to the North and South of KPFK, the parking varies from 1 hour to all day unmetered parking.
There is also a "park and ride" all day lot at the Universal City Metro Rail Station on Cahuenga and Lankershim.

Metro Rail and Buslines to KPFK

For specific bus and rail directions from your starting location, please Call 1-800-COMMUTE or go to the MTA's Trip Planner at, http://mtaweb6.mta.net/.

And Baldwin, no, I can't think of any other candidate who's put out a list of recommendations. Michael Novick's list has been circulating by email for a while, and I'll send you a copy if you write to me. Several other non-candidates have lists as well. And, of course, the Committee to Strengthen KPFK has its slate.
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In other words

by Listener Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 1:14 AM

In other words let's stop this crazy struggle at KPFK. The way to do it is simple. Don't stay in there fighting the bad. SImply replace the bad with the good.
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SImply replace the bad with the good.

by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 8:27 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

SImply replace the bad with the good.

That sounds like the solution to just about everything. Politicians are like baby diapers, they should be changed often and for the same reason. If the radio station has become mired in good ole' boy "do it my way" stagnation while appealing to the extremist right, L's solution of voting for NONE of the oldtimers is the right way to go.

As for me, I gave up voting on anything about six years ago. }:-} I surrendered.
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censorship

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 9:23 AM

I would like to know why my post on the issue of anti-semitism in this dispute was censored. So much for free speech, I guess.
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So much for free speech, I guess.

by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 11:48 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

Just repost what you wrote. Some times the technology works, some times it doesn't.
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It worked.

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I saw my posting on the board yesterday, so it successfully went through. It was obviously removed. Not moved to the hidden posts section (which would have been bad enough) but intentionally removed. However, thank you for the suggestion. I will post the message again in a little while.
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"annonymous financial backing"

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 12:42 PM

And who is backing you? The FBI loves to back people who try to fracture the left into enemy factions based upon race or ethnicity.
KPFK's signal extends way beyond the city of Los
Angeles. No one knows what the real ethnic or racial breakdown of the listening audience is. The fairest way to determine the composition of the board is to let all the listener sponsors, regardless of race or ethnicity,vote and accept the results of that vote. This is a concept known as democracy. Self-appointed individuals who claim, without any credentials, to be spokespeople for any particular group do not belong on the board if they cannot get enough votes to win a seat on it.
Southern California is a very complicated place, and to divide it into "whites" and "people of color" the way a bookstore divides its books into fiction and nonfiction is simple minded. To take some examples, which category - white or people of color - would the following fall into: Armenians, Iranians, Turks, Cypriots, Georgians, Persian-speaking Afghans, Circassions, Muslims from Bosnia, Argentinians, Samaritans,or people from Malta?
There is also the issue of anti-semitism. You know as well as I do that the term "people from West Los Angeles" is a code word for "the Jews." If you are anti-semites, at least have the courage to identify yourselves as such. The great German socialist Babel once said that anti-semitism is the socialism of fools. I think that he was right, and that he was referring to people very much like yourselves.
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hiding behind Judaism

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 12:58 PM

That would have been pretty hard to do, since Judaism wasn't even mentioned.
Babel would have had no difficulty deciding which kind of "socialist" you are.
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explanation for the totally uninformed

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007 at 2:37 PM

I'm actually embarassed for you that I have to point this out, but Judaism is a religion; Jews, at least in the United States, are widely regarded as an ethnic group
(and in the eyes of some Nazis as a race). There are agnostic Jews, atheist Jews, and Jews who know little of Judaism because they grew up in families where religion of any kind was regarded as something out of the Middle Ages and not worth much discussion. Therefore, it is as ridiculous to identify Jews with the religion of Judaism as it would be to say that all French people are practioners of Catholicism when only a minority of them are interested in this faith. Understand now?
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Re:"annonymous financial backing"

by Tejano Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 2:28 AM

Meyer; You haven't the first clue of what you are talking about!

The very idea that "The FBI loves to back people who try to fracture the left into enemy factions based upon race or ethnicity." is completely invented and a truly cheap way to try to drive wedges. The REALITY - and ANYONE who has done even an OUNCE of research on COINTELPRO knows this, is that the FBI loves to TARGET Black, Red and Brown radical groups, especially nationalists, for "neutralization."

Look at the Panthers. Look at AIM, for the two best known examples. Look at the Puerto Rican independence movement or at the disruption of the Brown Berets for another.

I TELL YOU ONE THING THE FBI LOVES, THOUGH, MEYER, IS WHEN IGNORANT ASS "LEFTISTS" START ACCUSING ONE ANOTHER OF BEING PIGS.

That's why "Snitch Jacketing" is a prime FBI Technique.

If you have a shred of integrity - you'll STOP IT.

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ps on Ethnicity and Fair KPFK ELections

by Tejano Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 2:50 AM

Meyer says, "The fairest way to determine the composition of the board is to let all the listener sponsors, regardless of race or ethnicity,vote and accept the results of that vote."

This is another example of pure ignorance of the facts on theground at KPFK. In the 90s virtually EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM for the Black and "Latino" communities was REMOVED from the air. In other words, the LA majority was disenfranchised, and programming focused in on a minority - white peoe and their culture, moreover on white liberals and their culture. It was FORBIDDEN ON KPFK even to pronounce Spanish place names with a proper Spanish pronunciation - they had to - by MANDATE - BE MISPRONOUNCED. That's how deep the racism went - and in many ways, in certain sectors of the KPFK "Community, it STILL goes that deep.

Those sectors include the members and supporters of the "Committee."

This logic shouldn't be beyond even you, Meyer.
1 Ban all programs for Blacks and "Latinos."

2. Lose all of your Black and "Latino"audience.
3. Lose the trust of the Black and "Latino" community.
4. Put back on, say, five shows for Blacks.
5 Keep Black listenership low.
6. Put on a number of shows in Spanish, but keep them in a three hour, low - listenership time ghetto.
7. Keep "Latino listenership low.
8. Hold elections.
9. Cal them "Fair and representative as long as "subscribers - ie, those you REALLY serve and NOT those you don't really serve, get to vote.

Now, you've established a vicious cycle.

YOu don't have voters of color because you don't REALLY program for them. Thes communites can't get more programming because they can't get representation in the station because you don't have voters - So, their numbers among voters stay LOW, so, THE WHITE MAN DOMINATES.

And THAT is just how the "committee" wants to KEEP it.

This is what you call "The fairest way to determine the composition of the board"

Pitiful.

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HIDDEN POSTS

by Listener Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 3:09 AM

Two of the posts above are hidden, it would seem, because they advocate VOTING OUT all members of the "Committee, and/ or because they accuse the committee of racism or corruption.

Funny about that. The LA Indymedia collective includes several supporters or members of the"Committee," who shall, for the moment, remain unnamed.
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Thanks,Leslie, for f-actual information

by sidestepper Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 12:50 PM

This detailed description of events, of authorized dealers of ballots and their timing is fascinating. That you have exposed this here is truly a gift and gain for those of us who try to figure out who these 'real players' are and why there is so much other garbage-venting instead of information- supplying on Indymedia.

Thank you for carefully stating what I have to assume is correct and actual, as there is no other place I can find that these stories are denied or retold differently.

Like a "real' reporter, viewpoints and biased all included, you have given us dedicated readers some names and stories to remember and re-count, and even question for ourselves if we want to find them directly.

You have done a good service here. I appreciate this "news" source and Indymedia for putting us up and in contact.
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Partners in Ignorance

by Meyer London Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 3:37 PM

Tejano and Yes - please do make quite a pair. If you doubt the power of their razor-sharp intellects, consider the following, which they believe or claim to believe:

Anti-semitism doesn't exist, except in the minds of some Jews who are locked up in mental institutions or who should be. Obviously, this is true; the good will toward Jews shown in the delightful posts of these two (as well as some of their co-thinkers) is proof of that.

Anyone who wants to make some changes or improvements at KPFK is really aiming to restore the hijacker regime of Marc Cooper and Mark Shubb, when these two turkeys purged the station of anything they thought would not attract white yuppies.

Candidates favored by Tejano and his pals fail to get enough votes to be on the board because the West LA
crowd prevents KPFK from airing shows that would appeal to people of color. Now we all know this is true; there is a complete lack of such shows and no Spanish-speaking programming. There have not been any big improvements since Schubb/Cooper were running things. The station needs improvements of this kind, even though we were informed earlier that anyone who calls for improvements is an ally of Cooper and Schubb. How the dynamic duo of Tejano and Yes - please do deal with this cognitive dissonance is beyond me.

Conflicts at the station have a lot to do with zionism.
Anyone who doesn't aggree with Tejano and Yes please do is trying to advance the interests of the state of Israel. The leaders of the zionist state are probably anxiously following the KPFK election right at this moment. Members of the dreaded Committee are all zionists, especially those with Jewish-sounding names. And this assumption has nothing to do with anti-semitism, because that does not exist.

Tejano and his pals belong on the board, even if no one votes for them. Their brilliance is shown by their incisive writing style, and people of color from all over LA would be rushing down to the station to vote for them except for the fact that the people of color don't know that they exist, because evil Jews, er, I mean people from West LA have pulled the wool over their eyes.

The FBI wouldn't dream of encouraging racial and ethnic strife at a left-leaning radio station, so the self-apponted representatives of the majority of LA's population are free to use phrases like "annoymous financial backing" but no one else is allowed to question where they get their backing.

One more wonderful thing about Tejano and company can be seen by scanning their posts, which radiate devotion to democracy, fairness, a complete lack of any hint that they judge people on the basis of their race or perceived nationality, and a great knowledge of topics like Judaism and zionism, doubtlessly gained by wide and deep reading.

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COINTELPRO and commenting out

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007 at 4:36 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

I have always considered COINTELPRO to have been a defunded project that was still being carried out by all the usual fascists however with the rise of this Bush regime it seems to me that COINTELPRO continues to be funded as a matter of policy.

As for postings being hidden, there should be some requirement that postings that get hidden or deleted should have the name of the individal who removes it indicated somewhere on the page so that we can hold whoever it is accountable.
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anti-response

by Wrong, don't retry Friday, Dec. 14, 2007 at 7:37 AM

That was an anti-response, Mr. D-g.
You still claim that 'code words' and 'anti-semitism' are no more pertinent factors in this mess at KPFK.
This is total hog flop as it seems to me it is miscreants like yourself who are having problems avoiding conflation of zionism with 'Jews'.
Just like the other neo-Nazi psychopaths who swarm this newswire.
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nice one

by Mr. Dawg Friday, Dec. 14, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Can't handle the truth huh? Thought so.
It's funny how the zionists are so *interested* in the programming at KPFK.
Ranting and raving about 'code words' and 'antisemitism' yada yada and hiding forbidden thoughts and responses to the usual psycho zionazi babble...
This must be an important issue for the zionist lobby and their many tax funded agencies.
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heh...

by That's Mr. Dawg to you Saturday, Dec. 15, 2007 at 7:33 AM

Why can't you answer the question, Meyer London?
Where exactly is the use of 'zionism' in your opinion, conflated with 'Jews' except in your rantings?
Insults or vague inferences will not do.
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explantion for the stupid

by Meyer London Saturday, Dec. 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM

I never said that anti-zionism is the same as anti-semitism, although some anti-zionists surely are anti-semites. On the other hand, many anti-semites have been zionists or pro-zionists - Richard Nixon, Jerry Falwell, the leaders of the old apartheid government of South Africa, and a host of other reactionaries.
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question for a pompus ass

by Mr. Dawg Saturday, Dec. 15, 2007 at 12:06 PM

If you are saying that only *some* people use the despicable conflation between zionists and Jews, then how is it you seem to want to use statements like this:
"There is also the issue of anti-semitism. You know as well as I do that the term "people from West Los Angeles" is a code word for "the Jews." If you are anti-semites, at least have the courage to identify yourselves as such. "
-When no such evidence of this is proposed or even known to be true...
And, BTW, your sarcasm falls like leaden farts upon the stage.
Just the facts, Meyer, just the facts. Speculation about non existent issues is a waste of furor.

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furthermore...

by Mr. Dawg Saturday, Dec. 15, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Where exactly is there any evidence of antisemitism?
I see loads of racism and curious inferences to 'codewords' and 'Jews" and 'Judaism' without factual supporting data.
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ugly ones by S_D

by Dawg is S--t Sunday, Dec. 16, 2007 at 10:02 AM

S_d can't handle the truth huh? Thought so.
It's funny how the neo-Nazi anti-Zionists like S__d are so *interested* in the programming at KPFK.
Ranting and raving about 'code words' and 'antisemitism' yada yada and hiding forbidden thoughts and responses to the usual psycho neo-Nazi pro-Palinazi psycho-babble...
This must be an important issue for the rabid anti-Zionist propaganda ministry and their many tax funded agencies.

Shit dog is an even better name for you. For your information, o ignorant one, you are indeed a nazi.

Why can't you let go of your "question", Mr. S__d? How come you think the use of 'zionism' in your opinion is NOT conflated with 'Jews' except in your neo-Nazi rantings?
Insults or vague inferences will not do.

Question for a pompus neo-Nazi ass: If you are saying that *no* people used the despicable conflation between Zionists and Jews in this thread, then how is it you seem to want to use statements like this:
"There is not at all an issue of anti-semitism. You know as well as I do that the term "people from West Los Angeles" is a code word for "the Jews." If you are anti-semites, at least have the courage to identify yourselves as such. "
-When some evidence of this was proposed and even known to be true...
And, BTW, your deplorable "zionazi" epithets fall like leaden farts upon the stage.
Just the facts, Shit-dog, just the facts. Speculation about non existent issues is a waste of furor.

Furthermore, where exactly is there any evidence of philo-semitism?
I see loads of racism and curious inferences to 'codewords' and 'Jews" and 'Judaism' without factual supporting data of those who argue it doesn't exist.
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dog gone flack

by Sheepdog Sunday, Dec. 16, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Gotta love the intense reaction.
Don't you zionist knuckleheads ever get a clue?
We're on to the whole smelly zionazi schtick.
Your ideology is empty, save the hate filling.
Sanction 'israel' until they decide to act like a community of humans instead of a 'chosen' people.
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what?

by Mr. Dawg Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 at 10:25 AM

did you really type this?
"without factual supporting data of those who argue it doesn't exist"
****
Are we down ro proving

Negatives like you're not Screwing my sheep?

Or positives like the active and attempted zionist 'take over' and 'cleasning' of KPFK?
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Censorship at LAIMC

by Meyer London Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2007 at 9:55 AM

One of the most positive things about LAIMC during the past few years has been the absence of censorship of posts not following a particular political line. Only posts containing physical threats, evidence of obvious psychosis, racial and ethnic slurs, and similar material have been removed. Even then, most of the least offensive ones were relegated to the "hidden posts" section where people who have time to waste are free to read them.
All of this has changed. Apparantly some new people, affiliated with a particular faction at radio station KPFK-FM, are now deciding which posts readers will have an opportunity to read and which they have to be protected from because they might raise doubts about a particular agenda these people have for KPFK.
Twice in the past week of so I have had posts removed. Not relegated to the hidden posts section, but entirely censored. To add to the outrageous authoritarianism of this Stalinist practice, posts that were made in response to mine were left on the board.
If this is how IMC is going to function in Los Angeles, it might as well close up shop, because its original purpose was to provide a forum for free speech, not an opportunity for some Great Helmsman or Great Helmswoman to hand down political pronunciamentos, with no fear of any dissenting voices disrupting the five year plan or whatever they are pushing.
The censors who have recently started this practice need to be removed from any position of responsibility at LAIMC.
Incidentally, the Stalin-like crushing of dissent which these cut-rate ideological police are attempting to pull off at IMC gives a pretty good indication of how much dissent and freedom of thought and expression would be allowed at KPFK should these hacks, by some miracle, actually get control of the station.
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to: Mr. London

by What? Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2007 at 11:50 AM

The censors are out and it's just you and me here and now.
The deleted posts as well as many responses have been hidden on this questionable thread, as they should have been.
As for psychosis, there is a passive aggressive by-polar constituency in your statements on which you never have addressed directly.
Again:
If you are saying that only *some* people use the despicable conflation between zionists and Jews, then how is it you seem to want to use statements like this:
"There is also the issue of anti-semitism. You know as well as I do that the term "people from West Los Angeles" is a code word for "the Jews." If you are anti-semites, at least have the courage to identify yourselves as such. "
-When no such evidence of this is proposed or even known to be true...
And, BTW, your sarcasm falls like leaden farts upon the stage.
Just the facts, Meyer, just the facts. Speculation about non existent issues is a waste of furor.

And the parrot talk of the resident psychopath, in the hidden zone notwithstanding, please explain this bazar statement which reeks of ADL mantras w/o supporting evidence.
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censors

by Meyer London Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Yeah, right - you said all that before and it didn't make any sense then, either. My last post was not directed at you - unless you are playing a double role as poster and censor. What I would like is an explanation from LAIMC as to what is going on with the censorship and who is making these censorship decisions.
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No talking room

by sure Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Well at least there is aa conformation of lack of understanding on your end.
Not a big surprise considering your evasions and by-polar disorders represented in the cognitive disconnect..
.Is this just another zionist poser? Or has Meyer joined the dark side of the zionist/KPFK thread?
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No response from IMC

by Meyer London Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2007 at 4:24 PM

No answer from IMC on the issue of posts being censored by a political faction at KPFK. Does this mean that they don't care? That they are in favor of censorship? Either way it reflects very badly upon them. What used to be a truly excellent forum for voices on the left has apparantly degenerated into some kind of Stalinist agitprop machine. Too bad they don't have the courage to admit it.
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Power to some of the people

by Les Serious Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Power to some of the...
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You go girl ~ peace, love and compassion. You can always be counted on to support the Pacifica Mission Statement, especially ". . . to engage in any activity that shall contribute to a lasting understanding between nations and between the individuals of all nations, races, creeds and colors,"

check-it-out

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lovely sentiments

by Meyer London Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 1:26 PM

I guess the best way to foster understanding between people and between nations is to censor posts that you don't agree with on IMC. Somehow I don't remember seeing censorship, Stalinist agitprop, race baiting and Jew baiting on the Pacifica Mission Statement.
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"Jew baiting"

by look who's talking Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 1:48 PM

It seems that 'Meyer' and Lila are the ones who are "Jew baiting" with the constant yammer of posts that keep using racist comments and then profess fanatical wanking about it.
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yeah, sure

by Meyer London Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I've been censoring other people's posts, too. No use letting the masses get exposed to ideas that go against the party line.
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And proud of it

by Leslie Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Are you telling me that the Pacifica Mission supports white supremacy and that Pacificans should line up with Save Our State's opinion, where your link goes? Those alignments are confusing to me--clarification, plz.
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going off the deep end

by Meyer London Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Have you flipped out? I don't have any "link" to the Save Our State website (or whatever it is) and in fact I've never even looked at it. I can think of only two reasons for your lunatic post.
1. The stress of the KPFK election has gotten to you and snapped the last brittle ties you had to reality.
2. You have decided to add slander to censorship, thus making your behavior on this board more Stalin-like than it already was.
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fake Meyer unravels

by Sloganeering Sam's Son Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 5:56 PM

And now that the 'neo=nazi' and 'goose stepping' epitaphs no longer work, we have the 'Stalinesque' mantra when obvious racial comments become ( by folk like me ) hidden.
Too damn bad.
Bite me.
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it's not all about you (or me)

by Leslie Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Meyer, scroll up. There's good ol' Les Serious up there, talking about me. Now, what's this about slander and censorship? How am I Stalin-esque? I have no control over what's posted or hidden here, I'm not part of the Indymedia collective. . . . omg! too funny! you've been directing all this stuff about censorship and KPFK alliances at me! No, Meyer, I have absolutely no decision-making ability around Indymedia. I can't begin to tell how off the mark you are, but talk about barking up the wrong tree! LOL!
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it's not all about you (or me)

by Leslie Thursday, Dec. 20, 2007 at 7:11 PM

Meyer, scroll up. There's good ol' Les Serious up there, talking about me. Now, what's this about slander and censorship? How am I Stalin-esque? I don't recall ever saying a word about you, I have no control over what's hidden here, I'm not part of the Indymedia collective. . . . omg! too funny! you've been directing all this stuff about censorship and KPFK alliances at me! No, Meyer, I have absolutely no decision-making authority at Indymedia. I can't begin to tell how off the mark you are, but talk about deep ends and wrong trees! LOL!

Alan, are you catching this?
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fake Sheepdog unravels

by Sloganeering Samson Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 12:23 AM

And now that the 'zionazi' and 'fake Jews' epitaphs no longer work, we have the ''conflators of Zionism with Judaism' mantra when obvious racist comments become (by folk like me) hidden.
Too damn bad.
Bite me.
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To Leslie

by Meyer London Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 12:00 PM

I have directed no posts at you, except the last one - which I posted in response to your crazy charge that I had a link of some kind with a Save Our State website or blog.
Posts are being censored on LAIMC, even though no one claimed that you are directing or taking part in the censorship. Some are being removed - not relegated to the Hidden Posts section but simply obliterated. This is a first in the history of LAIMC, and is certainly Stalin-like, as is the slander and lie that the posts were somehow "racist" because they oppose one of the factions at KPFK.
The following types of posts are being censored so that IMC readers can be protected from ideas which irritate the censors or go against their party line:
1. posts which point out that other posts are anti-semitic in tone - not anti-zionist but examples of Jew baiting
2. posts that point out the illogical reasoning and lack of evidence in the statements made by some of the so-called anti-racists
3. posts that use arguments that the censors can't figure out how to answer so they resort to removing them - a tacit admission of defeat but also an undemocratic assault on IMC readers to decide for themselves which arguments are valid and which are not.
Obviously, some group of people have done what is known on the left as entry work. They have offered their services to LAIMC as "volunteers" in order to take control of it and to change the character it has had for many years. They are instituting censorship, which has never been practiced here before their arrival. They are making false and slanderous accusations of zionism and racism against ideological opponents on the left - an old Stalinist practice that dates back to the 1920's, a decade from which some of these people appear to get most of their ideas. Finally, they are attempting to transform IMC from a valuable forum for voices on the left into a Stalinist-like agitprop bureau in which only certain opinions are allowed, in which thought control is attempted, and in which the very idea of democracy is written off as bourgeois nonsense.
This quasi-Stalinist assault has to be stopped in its tracks of IMC will lose the very reason for its existence.
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To Meyer

by Leslie Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 1:40 PM

I clarified that my post above was not for you, that I wasn't addressing you, that I didn't say you had posted a link to Save Our State--that Les Serious did. But you insist that I did so. Now, you tell me who's crazy.

And let's have it out front--who are you saying is doing this "entry work"? Stop hiding behind innuendo and put it out there, along with your evidence. Not evidence that's it's being done (proving something doesn't exist is tricky), but evidence that a group of volunteers is somehow subverting LA-IMC.
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To Leslie

by Meyer London Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 3:37 PM

I did not understand the clarification; it was not entirely clear, no pun intended. The evidence that some editors or censors are attempting to change the nature of LAIMC is there for all to see, and I have spelled it out. As I explained earlier, in the past posts were not deleted because of their political content, and even utterly offensive ones were relegated to the Hidden Posts section, not obliterated.Why is this happening all of a sudden, and over the specific issue of factions battling each other at KPFK? Do you think that this is a coincidence?
And here is another new development: the editors are clearly becoming posters themselves, even to the extent of stating that certain posts deserved to be erased (because of their political content?). Look back through the threads dealing with KPFK during the past week or two and it should be obvious to you.
This has never been the case in the past, and I have been posting here for several years. The conclusion that some group is doing entry work here, whether they have used this specific term among themselves or not, is inescapable.
Finally, do you really deny that the tactics these people have been using - censorship, slander, attacking anyone who disagrees with them as zionist or racist - closely resemble the tactics used by Stalinist organizations, especially during the 1920's and 1930's?
I don't know if the people doing this are simply banded together because they see eye to eye on developments at KPFK, or a formally organized political group. Either way, their tactics suck and have nothing to do with democracy. If they were a formally organized political group or party, and I knew the name of the organization,I would have no hesitation in making it public. Perhaps some other poster who does know this can enlighten us. In the mean time, I think we are all due an explanation form IMC as to why posts are disappearing - at least if they take certain positioins on the past and future of KPFK.
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Meyer, take magnesium, give up the gluten and dairy

by Leslie Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 7:16 PM

You were quick to tell me I was a lunatic, slandering, censoring, and Stalin-like, without any facts. Once I gave you hardcore, indisputable facts, you stopped blaming the LA-IMC editorship and blamed some unidentified group of LA-IMC volunteers that included me, also without any facts. Meyer, you don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy life, do you? I must be to blame for what you don't see here (those vanished posts), and you're ready to concoct whatever story you need to believe that. Facts, truth be damned, if they don't fit your private narrative.

So I'm assuming that your new perception is that I am part of this imagined group that is responsible for what you see as an anti-democratic swing at LA-IMC. Understand, that would require that this fantasy group can pressure the Indymedia collective (those who have there fingers on the editor buttons). But that leads straight to the question, with what? What could "we" possibly have that they want, or what could "we" possibly withhold, for their acquiescence? That's the beauty of the IMC model--I need them, and they don't need me.

And then you ascribe Stalinesque tactics to "us", but which are, in truth, tactics of all repressive regimes. You tie this imaginary group to Stalin because it suits your story of who I or "we" are.

I saw one post around KPFK disappear and reappear when it was called out: Grace Aaron's initial post. I don't recall the title. LA-IMC attached a uniquely distancing disclaimer to my first post about KPFK. They hid some other posts and comments. I've had questions off and on through the years about posts that got hidden (including a couple of mine), but I believe overall the LA-IMC editors do a damn good job. If there have been more disappeared posts, then I haven't been paying attention.

Nor have I seen the editors posting, but I've always imagined they did under various pseudonyms--Hex comes to mind (haven't seen him around for over a year, though). Why shouldn't they?

Meyer, give us something solid to grasp on to, or let it go. Move on to something that at least has a patina of credibility. Stop moving me from one imaginary affiliation to another and hiding me inside non-existent groups You're giving conspiracy researchers a bad name.
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for what it's worth

by Sheepdog Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 7:40 PM

I've hidden some posts that contained excessive and racist remarks about 'Jews' and code words and such but gave up on this.
I don't believe this is the same Meyer London as we have come to read over the years, as this particular 'Meyer' has a cognitive problem remaining focused on questions directed towards 'him' and resorts to insults and distractions as the other Meyer would merely use dry sarcasm. This is another psychopath *exactly* like 'Hex'.
Hex. Who was never ( until now, maybe ) a IMC staff member, living ( he says ) in another state. He may suddenly 'appear', however.
You follow me?
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loud and clear

by Leslie Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Thnx for pointing out the obvious: this isn't Meyer's tone at all. Guess that's why I prescribed the change in diet. Will ignore, unless it gets ridiculous again.
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