ted hayes has lapd permit to march crenshaw, king to leimert noon 8.11, under mr.peoples' name (but the permit # goes to hayes voicemail! "CONTACT: Peoples Helping Peoples, John Peoples 213-892-9065" ) for "reparations now", to rehabilitate his 'black standing' after parading w/white supremacy. but he is not demanding reparations from the U.S.

but hayes is now also executive committee member of the anti-arab United American Committee & diverts "In lieu of reparations", celebrating the effect of U.S. chattel slavery: "our black descendants of American slaves...might also consider that, had that not happened, they might today be living in an impoverished African nation", finally rejecting U.S. liability: "black descendants of American slaves might more appropriately direct their demands for reparations to states of the Muslim world", & "Al Sharpton's ancestors were in all probability captured and first made slaves by Arab or Black MUSLIMS."

his 'reparations march' is a defense of U.S. white supremacy/imperialism & an attack on oppressed arab nations & culture.


http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/article03_05_2007.htm

BLACK REPARATIONS: FROM WHOM? TO WHOM?
By the United American Committee | March 5th 2007

Researchers have reportedly found evidence that the ancestors of Al Sharpton may have been owned by the ancestors of Democrat-turned Dixiecrat-turned Republican Strom Thurmond. This is an interesting, albeit ironic, possibility.

We are now hearing demands from descendants of West African Americanized slaves claiming reparations. Who should be responsible for paying those reparations? And who should receive them?
First, what about an American Black U.S. citizen who is not a descendant from American slaves, such as Barak Obama, or others who immigrated to the U.S. from other countries? Clearly, they have no stake in this matter. Now, for those who truly are descendants of West Africans who became slaves in America, just where should their demands for reparations be directed?

Let it be said that no living black Americans have been slaves in America. It is also safe to say that no living white Americans owned slaves. In fact there are probably far more living Americans whose ancestors fought and died to end slavery because they found it ugly and absolutely abhorrent. Approximately 700,000 Americans died in the Civil War to bring an end to slavery.

So who is responsible for slavery? Some ill-informed people tend to blame it all on American southern plantation owners and ignore the role of British, Spanish, and Portuguese merchants who bought slaves and transported them to the Americas for resale. Some want to blame it on those middle-men slave merchants and slave ship owners and ignore the role of those who first seized free Africans, dragging them from their homes to be sold to the middle-men.

And just who were those at the bottom of this ugly supply chain? Who seized free men and women and forced them into slavery in the first place? History tells us in almost all cases they were Arab Muslim slavers whose religion, Islam, decreed that the taking of slaves of those they conquered is approved by Allah; A lawful reward for striving to carry out Allah's edict to his believers to force all people and all nations into Islam (submission); a doctrine which still prompts conquest, subjugation, terrorism and slave-taking today.

Some political leaders of former slave states have taken steps to apologize and to try to make some amends for this horrid but now long-abolished-in-America practice. True, without plantation owners there may have been no slave ships sailing to our shores, but as we take a closer look at the history of slavery, we see this interesting truth: it was mostly Arab Muslims who had been actively engaged in the practice of seizing and selling human beings into slavery for centuries. So, the real....the original slavers (and still in the business today) are Muslim slavers who seized and enslaved not only black Africans but also white Europeans, brown Indonesians, and olive-skinned people of India, Persia and the Mid-east.

Al Sharpton's ancestors were in all probability captured and first made slaves by Arab or Black MUSLIMS. Yes, they were eventually bought by plantation owners who needed strong healthy males and females capable of sustained hard work under onerous conditions. Those slaves at least found conditions and the courage within themselves to survive, and even raise children, their descendants now living as free people, some in America.

The same was not so for many millions of slaves of various nationalities who were captured. Often Arab Muslim slavers didn't want to deal with whole men. Eunuchs were more valuable. Many unfortunate victims were often mutilated in a most barbaric and savage manner in castration stations established along the slaver's routes. This practice continues in sub-Sahara Africa to this day. These acts were not clean and surgical. They were performed with dirty knives, and more of the victims died than lived, and still die horribly today, in Mauritania, in the Sudan (Darfur today, and who knows where next) and everywhere in between.

In lieu of reparations, our political, religious, educational, and business leaders need to not only demand, but take real steps to end the vicious ugliness of slavery and human subjugation today and for all times wherever this ugliness takes place.

And our black descendants of American slaves might more appropriately direct their demands for reparations to states of the Muslim world which first seized and enslaved their fore bearers. They might also consider that, had that not happened, they might today be living in an impoverished African nation, and themselves at risk of being enslaved tomorrow.

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This article was authored by the following writers with the United American Committee: Jim Horne, Al Rawley (Commander, USN Ret.), Jesse Petrilla, & Ted Hayes.

The United American Committee is a leading educational group dedicated primarily to awakening the nation to the threats of radical Islam, and works to educate Americans on the nature of Islamic extremism. Its mission is to protect America by fighting the ideological aspects of the War on Terror.
More information on the UAC can be found at www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org



http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/article03_05_2007.htm

Yes, Arab Muslims and Black Muslims were involved in the slave trade. So were non-Muslim Africans, who were allied with different European slave traders. African nations were pitted against each other to enslave each other. See the link.

The point is, the slave trade was operated to provide labor for European colonies in the Americas. The early wealth in the colonies, and later, in this country was the product of slave labor. It was done on land taken from the indigenous nations.

Demanding reparations from the Arab states or some Islamic sects is going to be difficult to substantiate. Where are the records?

In contrast, it's possible to find some records of who is owed what in America. You can find the descendants of slaves. You can also find the owners, and some of their business records. You can then try to apply a simple formula to calculate some kind of "back wages" owed to the descendants.

Suppose that Master Joe owned Slave Bob, and recorded earning (in 1865 dollars) $1,200 in profit after expenses, from Bob's labor over the time he was a slave. Suppose that we say that Slave Bob should be owed 50% of the profit as rightful compensation (leaving the owner a healthy 50% profit margin!). Then we can take the owed wages of $600, and adjust for inflation at, say, 5% per year for 170 years... and come up with around $2,400,000, which is to be divided equally between all his descendants.

If we assume that there are only 8 generations in 170 years, and that each generation has a birth rate of only 2 children per family, and everyone gets married, and nobody dies early, then, there will be 256 children in the 8th generation. Each child is entitled to a little over $9,300.

This does NOT include interest. If you compound it at 10%, the sum is $25 million.

I don't see how a payment of as little as $9,300 per descendant is an unbearable expense to America.

(Note that this payment also reflects the wealth that was transferred to the slave owner's children!)

Consider things like the difference in the median household incomes between whites and blacks, which today is around $18,000, or house ownership rates, and the amount of the reparations suggested above seems pretty small.

PLEASE NOTE, the sum of $1,200 profit was concocted fro thin air. I don't know what the net profit of a slave was. The only numbers I found were that some slaves cost $381 in the early 1800s. Another article said the owner realized a 300% profit, and so I set it at $1,200.

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Here's something that turned up during some Google searches: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/00/175230.ctl

It looks into the influence of slavery on politics, and finds that the anti-tax sentiments so common throughout American history have roots in the slave-owning classes. That's right - the people who are anti-tax, and anti-government today, have their ideological forefathers in the pro-slavery, pro-states-rights movement.

"From the earliest colonial times right up to the Civil War, slaveholding elites feared strong democratic government as a threat to the institution of slavery. American Taxation, American Slavery shows how their heated battles over taxation, the power to tax, and the distribution of tax burdens were rooted not in debates over personal liberty but rather in the rights of slaveholders to hold human beings as property." - from the website link

There's an essay on the topic by the author, Robin Einhorn:
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/194876.html

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I apologize for the flitty style in this comment. Lots of ideas are coming together for me.

As a strict matter of law,the US has no legal obligation to pay reparations to descendants of slaves for the simple reason that the US did not exist as a sovereign entity when the majority of the slave trade took place...it was part of the British Empire,and virtually all the merchant ships coming to the colonies with slaves,either flew the Union Jack or benefited from the protection of the Royal Navy en route.....not to mention the fact that the actual enslavement and sale of humans to slavers was done by tribes on the west coast of Africa...so the US simply cannot be held liable for the actions of nameless dead tribal slave peddlers and the subsequent abetting of the slave trade on the high seas.

I said that you could go back to the original slave owner to figure out what was owed. Maybe do a class action lawsuit against all the descendants of slave owners, just to make a point.

Once things become more concretized, by putting names and numbers to slaves and slave owners, and compare the wealth of the families involved, and reparations will make more sense. Right now, the argument is, as Ted Hayes has shown, about races against other races.

If all you want to do is 'make a point' or engage in useless political statements,go right ahead....but the descendants of slave owners have no liability here either....you're just making up law as you go along on that idea......the original 'actionable tort' was committed by non US citizens and that is where the relief and remedy lies.....our system of justice simply doesn't permit civil remedies against people who have no liability for actions committed hundreds of years ago by people who have no connection with living Americans....just a pipe dream

confirmed by lapd.

we need to change our defensive from the defensive strategy to counter-offensive from the defensive.

There are laws, but laws have some flexibility, and they change over time. At one time, many of the freedoms we take for granted were not shared by all.