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Cindy Sheehan too cowardly yet again to address war for Israel agenda on MSNBC 'Hardball'

by NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Cindy Sheehan too cowardly yet again to address war for Israel agenda on MSNBC 'Hardball' moments ago (repeats at 4 PM on west coast and at 7 PM on east coast)

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT)


Subject: Cindy too cowardly yet again to address war for Israel agenda on MSNBC 'Hardball' moments ago (repeats at 4 PM on west coast and at 7 PM on east coast)

To: "Donald Jones"

I didn't see it from the beginning on MSNBC's 'Hardball' moments ago, but it looked like Cindy again wouldn't directly take on the war for Israel agenda which she had so accurately written about in the PNAC Neocon/war for Israel paragraph in the 'Nightline' email (see the following URLs):

http://www.slate.com/id/2124500

http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/sidebar/2124791/

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/cindy-sheehan-mother-of-spc-casey.html


Instead Cindy focused on 'for profit' as the primary motivation for the Iraq war.. Come on.. Sure that was a motivation as well, but the primary motivation was to secure the realm for Israel in accordance with the 'A Clean Break' agenda (as conveyed in Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book via http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=28769 and which will more than likely be addressed in the soon to be released Walt & Mearsheimer book as well (http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800 ).
Another example of why Cindy is so ineffective as she could have mentioned the Walt & Mearsheimer paper/book with Chris Matthews this now (especially since he is yet to since I gave him a copy of the Mearsheimer/Walt paper at USC in Los Angeles last year - see the last part of the following article from the USC 'Daily Trojan' newspaper):


http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2006/04/12/News/Msnbcs.hardball.Films.Live.Segment.On.Campus-1845603.shtml?norewrite200604160347&sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com

At least Cindy did mention that Scooter Libby was associated with PNAC. But that wasn't good enough because she was basically using such with the war for profit line that she put forth.. Why didn't she also discuss what Colin Powell had conveyed for Washington Post editor Karen DeYoung's new bio book about him in that the 'JINSA crowd' is in control of the Pentagon (via Cheney, of course) as one can simply look up 'Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs/JINSA' in the index:

A War for Israel? Colin Powell seems to think so:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=61128


Donald Jones wrote:

This crap in the Bush Admin and the Middle East has gone far beyond sentimentality. This is a war against the evil LZNP. It is not a war for the soft hearted and soft headed. Sheehan must attack the LZNP head on to accomplish anything useful.

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General (Ret) Jim David (who is mentioned on the cover of Paul Findley's 'They Dare to Speak Out' book about the power/influence of the pro-Israel lobby in the USA) just sent me the following by Pat Buchanan which is a must read as well:

BGJDAVID wrote:

Tonkin Gulf II and the Guns of August? - by Pat Buchanan

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=11301

A great article by Pat Buchannan but I think he could've added one more sentence at the end. When you get to the last sentence, please add a sentence that I feel should be included. It is "And is Israel also in on it?"
Tonkin Gulf II and
the Guns of August?

by Patrick J. Buchanan
Is the United States provoking war with Iran, to begin while the Congress is conveniently on its August recess?
One recalls that it was in August 1964, after the Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater, that the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred.
Twice it was said, on Aug. 2 and Aug. 4, North Vietnamese patrol boats had attacked the U.S. destroyers Maddox and Turner Joy in international waters. The U.S. Senate responded by voting 88 to two to authorize President Johnson to assist any Southeast Asian nation whose government was threatened by communist aggression.
The bombing of the North began, followed by the arrival of U.S. Marines. America's war was on.
As Congress prepares for its August recess, the probability of U.S. air strikes on Iran rises with each week. A third carrier, the USS Enterprise, and its battle group is joining the Nimitz and Stennis in the largest concentration of U.S. naval power ever off the coast of Iran.
And Tonkin Gulf II may have already occurred.
In Baghdad, on July 1, Gen. Kevin J. Bergner charged that Iranians planned the January raid in Karbala, using commandos in American-style uniforms, that resulted in the death of five U.S. soldiers.
As the New York Times reports, this "marks the first time that the United States has charged that Iranian officials have helped plan operations against American troops in Iraq and have had advance knowledge of specific attacks that have led to the death of American soldiers."
The Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is using Hezbollah to train Shi'ites to attack our soldiers and providing them with enhanced IEDs that have killed scores of U.S. troops, Bergner charged. He says we have captured a veteran Hezbollah agent and documents pointing to direct Iranian complicity in the Karbala raid.
Iran has denounced the charge as "ridiculous." But the Senate has voted 97 to zero to censure Iran for complicity in killing the Americans.
If what Bergner alleges is true, President Bush has not only the right but appears to have the blessing of Congress to attack Iran. And he now has the naval and air forces at hand. What is stopping him?
For it is surely not Congress, which buried a resolution last spring declaring that Bush must come to Congress before taking us into a new war in the Middle East. Congress appears to be signaling Bush: "If you want to hit Iran, you have the green light. No need to consult us."
Is this yet another abdication by Congress of its moral and constitutional duty to decide when and whether America goes to war?
And something smells awfully fishy here.
Iran has no interest in a war with the United States, which it seems to be toying with. Iran supports the pro-American Shia regime in Baghdad. And the al-Qaeda umbrella group in Iraq, which is our mortal enemy, has just warned Iran it faces terror attacks if it does not stop supporting Shi'ites in Iraq.
Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who leads the al-Qaeda group known as the Islamic State in Iraq, says his fighters have been preparing for four years for war on Iran.
"We are giving the Persians, and especially the rulers of Iran, a two-month period to end all kinds of support for the Iraqi Shi'ite government and to stop direct and indirect intervention – otherwise a severe war is waiting for you," Baghdadi said in a 50-minute videotape.
Baghdadi also warned Arab Sunnis in the region who do business with Shi'ites in Iran that they were inviting assassination.
Query: If Iran's ally, the Maliki government, is our ally, and if Iran's enemy, al-Qaeda in Iraq, is our enemy, why would Iran use the Quds Force to attack Americans and risk U.S. retaliation?
Killing Americans in Iraq is not going to defeat the United States. But it could trigger heavy U.S. retaliation, not only on the Quds Force, but on Iran's nuclear facilities – and a war with the United States. Yet Iran's diplomatic behavior suggests it wishes to avoid such a war.
Another explanation comes to mind. Iran is not initiating, but is responding to U.S.-inspired attacks inside Iran, in the Kurdish north, the Arab southwest, and the Baluchi southeast of its country. Was Karbala an attempted kidnapping to exchange U.S. soldiers for the five Iranian "diplomats" we are holding?
Has Bush secretly authorized covert attacks inside Iran? Are U.S. and Israeli agents in Kurdistan behind the attacks across the border to provoke Iran? On July 11, Iranian troops clashed with Kurd rebels inside Iran, and the Iranians fired artillery back into Iraq.
Why is Congress going on vacation? Why are a Democratic-controlled House and Senate not asking these questions in public hearings? Why is Congress letting Bush and Vice President Cheney decide whether we launch a third war in the Middle East?
Or is Congress in on it?




Buchanan had the following 'Whose War?' article as well from 2003 which is also a MUST READ:

Whose War?

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html

Paper: Bush Will Strike Iran:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=75806


wrote:'IDF preparing for all-out war' with Syria

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=75834
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through the maze

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Why are you attacking Cindy when you should be attacking her opponent who is a shill for AIPAC, Nancy 'off the table' Pal-O-Cee
She isn't doing enough in your opinion.
She does want a new INDEPENDENT 9-11 investigation.
You get hidden a lot.
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War "for Israel" Low on Bush's List

by Becky Johnson Friday, Jul. 20, 2007 at 9:11 AM
becky_johnson222@hotmail.com Santa Cruz, CA.

NO WAR FOR ISRAEL WRITES: "...but the primary motivation was to secure the realm for Israel..."

BECKY: Invading Iraq to benefit Israel was the only GOOD reason for the war in Iraq, but I assure you, it was very far down the list. Protecting American interests in keeping Saudi oil flowing, American troops had been stationed on Saudi soil. But the Royal Family was getting too much heat from the Bin Laden types for those "dirty feet of American soldiers on our holy land" so Bush and Company were looking for new real estate on which to put US bases. Iraq was weak. Hussein unpopular with the regional states in the area, & Britain and the US combined forces to take over.

They bet correctly that if the US took over Iraq, that no other state would send in troops to defend Saddam. The initial takeover went well.

Israeli PM Ariel Sharon had privately warned Bush about Iraq. His words proved prophetic.

See: http://www.forward.com/articles/sharon-warned-bush/

Yes its about oil, but according to Greg Palast, it was more about stopping the flow of oil than increasing it. Oil companies (and stockholders) have gained record profits---many Bushies among them.

The WMD wasn't entirely bogus. Many respected authorities believed he had them (Sharon, Clinton, David Kelly of the UK, Kissinger). But it certainly was cherry-picked and trumped up. Certainly there was nothing there to go to war over.

So we are left with these reasons:

1. WMD --not proved
2. regime change --hawked when no WMD's were found
3. Bases near large oil fields--not OUR large oil fields!
4. Iraq-9-11-Al Qaeda connection---none
5. Saddam tried to kill my dad --true, but not justifying a war
6. Little Bush wanted to "finish" Dad's work from the Gulf War - win one for the gipper? Give me a break!
7. Lucrative no-bid contracts for Halliburton--a likely motivation
8. Bring democracy to Iraq! -- oh, please!! What's next? Apple pie?

9. Saddam was funding Palestinian suicide bombers and had fired scud missiles into Israel civilian populations/Israel is a strong ally of the US --- THIS IS THE ONLY GOOD REASON FOR THE DAMNED WAR!
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War for "Israel" Low on Bush's List

by Buckey Johnston Friday, Jul. 20, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Is this person impaired or just trolling.
No one should die for "Israel". It's a cancer on the Palestinian lands since the first minute it was conceived in the heart of a Nazi Nation with Nazis such as Eichmann.
What did the people of Palestine do to deserve to have these terrorists descend like a locust swarm with genocidal intentions on their homes and during the next 60 years to be treated like vermin and pushed into walled ghettoes by these invaders?
Then to have a grinding occupation by heavily armed soldiers that enters these prison camps at will, to kill, destroy and kidnap the inmates?
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this poster

by Lok Friday, Jul. 20, 2007 at 3:39 PM

what is with this author?
The second link is a rabid hate site that swings another low attack on Cindy.
What is the problem with this person?
Not one word about the hypocrisy her opponent or the betrayal of the Democrat rat and two faced Nancy.
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Wow!

by Examples of Zionism Saturday, Jul. 21, 2007 at 4:43 AM

From the hidden zone, Zionist Lobby and the AIPAC.
" -but it is desirable for people to die for Israel"
A refreshingly honest opinion from the Israeli lobby of what American forces are being used for.
Dying for Greater "Israel."
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oh no......

by not this again.... Sunday, Jul. 22, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Is this going to be yet another splatter fest between 'anti' & pro zionists, to billboard huge amounts of propaganda and load up threads that threaten certain interests? Haven't we gone through this a few times already?
The lobby must be desperate or something is afoot.
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back to the smear about Cindy

by Crappy title on this Thread Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 6:54 AM

Maybe the Israeli Lobbies in all their extortional power, will lose their Nancy Pelosi pawn.
I wonder what they have on her besides the sizable carrot through all the AIPAC funding channels.
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Taking out Saddam: doing it "for Israel" the only GOOD reason

by Becky Johnson Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 8:14 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

Wow! What vituperative invectives!! And not a little bit sexist to boot (e.g. "disgusting cunt" "bitch"). What my personal plumbing has to do with my commentary here is beyond me. Most readers know it for what it is--an attempt to intimidate me, and using sexist attacks to do so since you are sure of my gender and my name. And anonymously too.

That aside. I have given my top 9 reasons why Bush invaded Iraq and why 8 of them are B.S. I pointed out that Sharon had warned Bush about the dangers of invading Iraq--which my detractors have refused to acknowledge thus far.

As for Hasbarah, I am not a member. They are Jewish activists and I am not Jewish. I am a peace and social justice activist in the Santa Cruz area, mostly working on homeless issues, and a former member of LA.IMC.
(I joined in Aug. 2000 during the DNC at the Shadow Convention).

Some recall my victory in winning a federal lawsuit against the LAPD for clubbing me with a baton and chasing me until I fell into a shallow stairwell while Bill Clinton was giving his Swan Song to the Democratic National Convention inside the Staples Center.

BTW several of the comments above which say they were posted by Becky Johnson were NOT posted by me.
Intimidation, forgeries, sexist attacks. Gee, this place hasn't changed a bit.

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i

by wow mom Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 9:35 AM

This is about Cindy, you know, Nancy Pelosi's non-AIPAC challenger and the obvious discomfort the prospect of removal of this sell-out for Israeli interests, produces.
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Becky is a LIAR!

by The Oracle Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Becky says: "(hasbarah is) Jewish activists and I am not Jewish"

Becky LIES.

Ask her about her grandparents. Ask her where in Europe her ancestors came from, what religion they observed, how recently they observed it.

She'll just dodge those questions.

You watch.

Becky is LIVING PROOF that Jewish identity isn't about religion AT ALL. That's just a canard she wants YOU to believe so that she can then use it to throw a sheepskin over herself.

One could say that the essence of Jewish identification is an intensely RACIST feeling - except that the term "racist" is not nearly extreme enough, no-no child!

The essential feeling of people like Becky is that Her Own People constitute a separate, superior SPECIES! They are SPECIES-ists!!

In the words of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson:
"The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: "Let us differentiate." Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of "let us differentiate" between TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPECIES. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world ... the Jewish body was chosen [by God], because a choice is thus made between outwardly similar things. The Jewish body "looks as if it were in substance similar to bodies of non-Jews," but the meaning ... is that the bodies only seem to be similar in material substance, outward look and superficial quality. The difference of the inner quality, however, is so great that the bodies should be considered as COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPECIES. This is the reason why the Talmud states ... about the bodies of non-Jews, "their bodies are in vain." ... An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness."

many of the Jewish SPECIES-ist PSYCHOTICS known as "zionists," especially in Israel, regard this maniac as Israel's Patron Saint.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak2.html

It explains SO MUCH, doesn't it?
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yeah, yeah...

by who cares? Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 12:12 PM

Yeah,she's another whore for "Israel".
This is not about whatever Beckey is.
The title of this was about Cindy.
A low attack and now a stink fight between idiots and 'morans'.
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IF you call something a lie you should have some proof

by Becky Johnson Monday, Jul. 23, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.

Otherwise, its just slander.

Are you saying I didn't write on homeless issues for Street Spirit for 10 years?
Are you saying I didn't organize an anti-war protest in March 2003 that lasted several weeks?
Are you saying that I wasn't clubbed by the LAPD in 2000 at the DNC? A police force I sued in Federal court and won?
Are you saying I wasn't arrested for chalking against the Sleeping Ban in Santa Cruz?
Are you saying I didn't house the transmitter for Free Radio Santa Cruz on my property twice?
Are you saying I didn't drive the FCC away from their door in 1998?
Are you saying I don't produce a television show in Santa Cruz that focuses on social justice issues?
Are you saying I am not a member of HUFF?
Are you saying I havent provided jailhouse support for activists?
Do you even know how to do a google search?

As for the flacks at Free Radio Santa Cruz---there's been a little historical revisionism going on there. The main culprits on that audio file are Bradley Allen, Matt Fitt, Vinnie Lombardo, and early on, Kristin ---as well as Robert Norse and myself.

I dont think theres anything incriminating on there. Only a bunch of men harassing me on a sidewalk and making groundless accusations. Listeners can judge for themselves.

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hmmm...

by sd Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 2:14 AM

Now why is/are the usual gang of weasels still humping this thread?
Nancy Pelosi has a choice now.
Either administer the will of her electorate or run up against Cindy.
Does Nancy Pelosi serve the citizens of our nation or does she serve AIPAC?
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back to Cindy's smear

by Crappy title on this Thread Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:34 AM

Maybe the Oil-funded anti-Israeli Lobbies in all their extortional power, will lose their Cynthia McKinney pawn.
I wonder what they have on her besides the sizable carrot through all the Saudi oil funding channels.
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heh heh...

by heh... Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:43 AM

That's what I call a direct hit.
Weasels and zionazis for Pelosi!!!
Oh and of course their little obsessions about each other.
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awwww...

by if you object soooo much Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:52 AM

Why not stop posting the racist crap and then complain about it?
Typical zionist splatter. Post racist crap and then whine about the ' racism'.
Right out of the ADL playbook.
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heh...

by heh heh... Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:55 AM

That's what I call a direct hit.
Weasels and palinazis for Cindy!!!
Oh and of course their little quirky obsessions about each other.
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Good morning - USA!

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 4:26 AM

Why does the Israeli lobby wish to smear Cindy Sheehan?
This not so subtile tag team ( what else? ) of zionist propaganda
is nothing new here. Regular readers may wonder why the same tactics of
distraction and insults, zionazi parroting, and false conflicts between 'new antagonists' to load discussions with BW loading, are still used by these agencies.
To thwart the new researcher, brought here by search engine queries
and attempt to flummox information analysis and to dysfunctionalize the thread like they have attempted to dysfunctionalize this IMC.
As anyone can see by reviewing content, it is an invitation to attack and smear.
Let me remind the agency.
Posing as the 'opposition' only works when the obvious mental instability as well as obsessive disorders are not mirrored in both of the 'new' antagonists.
One may wonder if this individual actually believes it may be indeed, different posters.
Does society or genetics or even diet cause mental illness? You decide.
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Gooooooood mmmmmorning - USA!

by Williams Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 4:37 AM

Why does the pro-jihad lobby wish to smear Nancy Pelosi?
This not so subtile tag team ( what else? ) of bumbling jihadi propaganda is nothing new here. Regular readers may wonder why the same tactics of
distraction and insults, palinazi parroting, and false conflicts between 'new antagonists' to load discussions with BW loading, are still used by these agencies.
To thwart the new researcher, brought here by search engine queries and attempt to flummox information analysis and to dysfunctionalize the thread like they have attempted to dysfunctionalize this IMC.
As anyone can see by reviewing content, it is an invitation to attack and smear.
Let me remind the agency.
Posing as the 'opposition' only works when the obvious mental instability as well as obsessive disorders are not mirrored in both of the 'new' antagonists.
One may wonder if this individual actually believes it may be indeed, different posters.
Does society or genetics or even diet cause mental illness? You decide.
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thanks for that fine example.

by archived for fun Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 4:52 AM

Further examples of the very topic you
validated for me.
Under
zionazi-parrot-talk
So why does Cindy Sheehan pose such a threat to the 'isreally' interests?
Not on your payroll?
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Not archived

by thanks for the fine example. Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 7:30 AM

Further examples of the very toxic topic you
validated for me.
Under
palinazi-parrot-talk
So why does Nancy Pelosi pose such a threat to the pro-'Paleostinian' interests?
Not on your payroll?

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awwwww.... II

by why not, Mo? Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 11:49 AM

You're not archiving this?
I mean, it's classic.
A beautiful example of not only zionazi parrot talk but an insight into the tired and psychotic if not compulsive behavior.
Still this thread is about the Nancy Pelosi vs Cindy Sheehan run in the for congress.
We know who's pocket Nancy is in. The same agency that has these individuals thrash these forums.
The 'isreally' lobby.
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Sheehan correct to challenge Bush/Congress

by Becky Johnson Wednesday, Jul. 25, 2007 at 6:19 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

I don't know what kind of "lay" Lee Kaplan is. You will have to check that out yourself. I AM a member of DAFKA and Kaplan is a host on my television show. I have no relationship with David Horowitz and think FrontPageMag.com is a pro-war, pro-Bush site.

As for the religious background of my grandparents, as I stated before, I am not Jewish. I have no Jewish ancestry. My grandparents were Finnish aetheist Communists on my mom's side and Swedish Lutherans on my father's side.

What religion my grandparents followed doesn't seem to have much relevance for this discussion. I mean, what religious background did YOUR grandparents have? See what I mean? No matter what your answer, its just not all that relevant.

Cindy Sheehan is right to challenge the Bush administration and our foot-dragging Congress on the Iraq war. I disagree with her when she says that this was was "done for Israel" although I do admit is was a minor factor.

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yeah, yeah...

by who cares what arch-racist O says? Thursday, Jul. 26, 2007 at 12:38 AM

Yeah,he's another whore for "Palestine", jihad and genocide.
This is not about whatever O is.
The title of this was about Cindy.
A low attack and now a stink fight between arch-racist idiots and smart fellas.


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wow mom

by I Thursday, Jul. 26, 2007 at 12:43 AM

This is about Cindy, you know, Nancy Pelosi's non-AIPAC challenger and the obvious discomfort of the prospect of removal of this sell-out for Arab Jihadi interests, produces.


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sleeping Dogs

by sd sez...for a laugh... Thursday, Jul. 26, 2007 at 6:37 AM

Why don't readers interested in comedy satire and farce scroll up and
enjoy the ride.
:>)

Go for it Cindy.
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