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Black Americans Choose: Minutemen Go Home

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

More than three hundred Crenshaw District residents joined two hundred migrant rights' supporters and linked arms to keep the minutemen out of Leimert Park, the heart of Black Los Angeles.

Black Americans Choo...
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Anti-minutemen protestors, called by the Mayday Defense Committee and Unión del Barrio, linked arms across the 43rd Place entrance to Leimert Park three lines deep to defend the park against the minutemen.   Across the street, Choose Black America, a front group for the anti-immigrant march sponsors, Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), and Save Our State, a minuteman spin-off, fretted and stewed.  The LAPD, obviously sensing the determination of the people and reeling from the public outcry against their violence in MacArthur Park last month, kept the groups apart, eventually moving cruisers in front of the entrance to prevent a minuteman incursion, and rescinded the minuteman permit to enter the park.

Choose Black America had called the demonstration as the kickoff to a nationwide campaign to force an apology from the Mexican government for the booing of Miss America at the Miss Universe conference.  Another CBA announcement told African-Americans, "Don't be fooled by the 'Black-Brown" Coalitions" and claimed co-sponsorship by Millennium Panthers and West Side Illegal Immigration Control.

By 1:00 p.m. CBA had mustered its marchers and stepped onto the street at Crenshaw and Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevards to begin their parade down this major artery through the historically African-American neighborhood to Leimert Park, the public platform for Los Angles Black voices and the center of Black Los Angeles culture.  They put together a showing of about eighty-five, sixty-five or so anti-immigrant African-Americans, twenty white minutemen, and one or two Mexican-Americans.  Save Our State has undergone serious internal upheavals and splits because of its support of former homeless activist Ted Hayes, now the chair of CBA.   

As the minutemen assembled on the southwest corner, the counterprotestors, on the southeast corner, shouted at them, "Minutemen, KKK, racists out of South LA!"  An RCP member bullhorned, "We don't have an immigration problem--we have a capitalism problem!"  Another protestor was overheard explaining to a white protestor, "They try to pit Blacks against Latinos.  The system is the problem--that's what it is."  YLP, a Puerto Rican, found the historical parallel: "My people, the people [the minutemen] are persecuting, they're just like the Jews were in Nazi Germany.  And the minutemen are the Nazis."

The LAPD allowed the swelling crowd of counterprotestors, a mixed Brown, Black, and white group led down Crenshaw by the Black Riders Liberation Party, to spill into the street as they marched fifteen feet away from CBA.  CBA and the minuteman rode and walked beside a flatbed float representing a slavers' ship decked out with signs calling for reparations, under the banner of the Church for Reparations Now!  CBA supporters held signs for another FAIR front group, NumbersUSA.  The white minutemen brought up the rear, saying nothing as the group up front chanted, "Choose--choose--choose Black America."  They were drowned out, even across the street, by the counterprotestors calling out "Asesinos!" and "Down with the Klan, down with the minutemen."  

One Black activist explained, "They're trying to separate and divide.  Ted Hayes is brainwashed.  The minutemen will turn their back on him when they're finished with him."

Residents along the march route were heard complaining that the Klan had shut down the buses on Crenshaw, as they drifted off to find alternate routes.

As we reached the park, the cops announced that we were to be penned on the east side of the park.

The anger had mounted as we marched, and the call went out when we found ourselves between the park and the minutemen: don't let them in the park.  The first arrivals took international flags into the park and stood at the gates, but the police had stopped CBA and the minutemen on the west side of the Crenshaw.  The counterprotestors repositioned themselves across the east sidewalk entrance between the cop cruisers .  People from the community, grandmotherly types, young men, shop owners, employees, with quiet and clear fierceness, were pouring through the park and coming north across 43rd Street to the sidewalk .   Then the call was "lock down!"  Three lines of people joined arms across the thirty-foot open space between the cop cars at the entrance, discussed how to handle police batons, and determined that the minutemen would not cross.  The Aztec danzantes protected the people with ritual dances and guarded the southeast corner of 43rd Street and Crenshaw.  The Black Riders alternated between patrolling the other entrances to the park and standing at the front of the defense line.  The International Socialist Organization ran off a minuteman truck circling around the looking for a back entrance.

A participant murmured, "They're using Black Nationalism.  I didn't know Black Nationalism sided with the Klan."  Then the triumphant cry:  "Whose streets?  Our streets!  People united will never be divided!"

The police stretched their yellow tape around the CBA and the minutemen, penning them in across the street, and told them that they wouldn't be going into the park today.  The counterprotestors roared, "Leimert, MacArthur, New Orleans: Smash the racist war machine!" and Black and Brown allies called out, "We are not the minority--we are the majority!"  One counterprotestor had a special message for Hayes: "You came to the community to stir up trouble!"

Two cop cars were moved in front of the line, effectively ending any hope the CBA had of charging the park.  At 2:40, the cops put their riot helmets on.  The defense line, which had relaxed after an hour of the stand off, snapped to.  The riot gear came off.

At 3:00, the cops forced the CBA and SOS onto the west sidewalk,  surrounded them, and offered them the choice of leaving or arrest.  Hayes and five of his followers stepped into the street in a last-ditch, staged arrest so Hayes, as one observer put it, would "earn his pay."  And the media ran to film Hayes being escorted into a police van.  They were taken to a substation and released.

In a protest in some ways reminiscent of Baldwin Park's first encounter with the minutemen, the Leimert Park defenders had turned hate and divisiveness out of their public space.  Some of the Crenshaw residents expressed concerns about the effects of immigration on employment; others responded that Black unemployment had a long history that preceded today's anti-immigrant backlash.  Whatever their position on the causes of unemployment, they were united in denouncing the rhetoric and tactics of the minutemen.  Hayes and his crew had failed, and the Black-Brown coalition held.

Before the day began, Muffy told me that, "There's nothing like the Nazis to bring people together."  Besides the groups mentioned, Mexica Movement, ANSWER-LA, Radical Women, the Sons of Jacob, Base Collective, the People's Liberation Party, and the Brown Berets were among those on Crenshaw Boulevard.

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counterprotestors assemble

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

counterprotestors as...
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CBA and the minutemen assemble

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

CBA and the minuteme...
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Hayes addresses the "masses"

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

Hayes addresses the ...
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discussion

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

discussion...
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minutemen and CBA march

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

minutemen and CBA ma...
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reparations float

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

reparations float...
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counterprotestors reach the park

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

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danzante protection

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

danzante protection...
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never seen

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

never seen...
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an international park

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

an international par...
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legalization, reparations, stop the war

by Leslie Radford Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 8:59 AM
leslie@radiojustice.net

legalization, repara...
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What I didn't say

by Leslie Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Let me add clearly what this article implies: Hayes, the LAPD, and the neo-nazi lists Stormfront and Vanguard News Network anticipated a race riot in Leimert Park. That it did not happen was ensured by the African-American Crenshaw residents who came to the park prepared to stop it.

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What I didn't say

by Leslie Tuesday, Jun. 26, 2007 at 9:35 AM

Let me add clearly what this article implies: Hayes, Save Our State, the LAPD, and two neo-nazi lists Stormfront and Vanguard News Network anticipated a race riot in Leimert Park. That it did not happen was ensured by the African-American Crenshaw residents who came to the park prepared to stop it.

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the Nazis will be

by in Santa Monica Thursday, Jun. 28, 2007 at 7:38 PM

this Sat June 30 2007. let's hope they score another "victory"

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to the hidden poster

by Leslie Thursday, Jun. 28, 2007 at 9:36 PM

I will be happy to forward the original, uncropped digital photos to you or anyone else who wants them.

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never seen

by BorderRaven Friday, Jun. 29, 2007 at 11:52 AM
BorderRaven@aol.com

the Minutemen focus is on illegal immigration, not legal immigration.

Gang truce negotiations are not an area where a member would represent the Minutemen. This does not mean that a person who is a member of the Minutemen, would not be living in a community, where gang truce negotiations would take place.

For instance I am a member of the Minuteman, but I may attend a town hall meeting in my city, and discuss the gang problem, regardless of the age, gender, or ethnicity of the gang members. My focus is on the gang behavior and the problems it brings to my neighborhood. I may offer a suggestion of a job center for youths, or have them go to the local day labor center.

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What I didn't say

by BorderRaven Friday, Jun. 29, 2007 at 12:09 PM
BorderRaven@aol.com



Old Ted Hayes, went to town to get a permit for a march and hold a peaceable assembly.

Old Ted Hayes went to town, and marched down the street to hold his peaceable assembly, but was stopped, by a situation created by some misguided people, and the police, who had given him the permit, to hold a peaceable assembly.

Old Ted Hayes, a man, a person, a citizen, who had a permit to march, was denied his right to hold a peaceable assembly, and to speak his mind freely.

Who won? The government/

Who lost? The people?

What was won? Nothing.

What was lost? Freedom.
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Ol' Burger Ravenous is a Nazi

by Ol' burger Raven-ous is a Nazi Friday, Jun. 29, 2007 at 6:15 PM

eee-aye-eee-aye oh!

with a "Chomp!Chomp!" here

a "Chomp!Chomp!" there,

here a "Chomp!"

there a "Chomp!"

every where a "Chomp!Chomp!"

Ol' Burger Ravenous is a Nazi

eee-aye-eee-aye oh!



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Black?????

by not racist Saturday, Jun. 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Who are these "black Americans" you refer to? Isn't the use of the term "black" racist? What is an African American now? You have me confused!!!

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the Nazis will be in Ranch Cucamonga Tues July 3 '07

by GuessWho Saturday, Jun. 30, 2007 at 7:36 PM

DATE

Tuesday, July 3

TIME

8am - 11am

LOCATION

Rancho Cucamonga Day Laborer Site

Across the street from the Arrow and Grove Store

8114 Arrow Rte

Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730

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hmmmm

by theded Saturday, Jun. 30, 2007 at 9:17 PM

We really don't need the police here.

The people can handle it fine.

Why don't the SOS MM etc. find more effective targets to go after?

They should go after the politics of exploitation, not the victims of which they are also included as a group.

They are simple folk.

Easily led by weakness and ignorance into the humiliation of being used and disillusioned yet again. Please get a f**king clue, MM, SOS and all other short thinking dupes/duped.

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So there is no

by nazis for target practice Sunday, Jul. 01, 2007 at 3:49 AM

So there is no Black America to choose? Then what was Save Our State marching for? They were marching under the banner of Choose Black America. I guess that was a fraud, too. No surprise there.

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Not a SOS even

by BorderRaven Sunday, Jul. 01, 2007 at 5:33 AM
BorderRaven@aol.com

The marh was a Choose Black America event, SOS/MM were there to support.

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pathetic

by Damn Sunday, Jul. 01, 2007 at 7:34 AM

When we have a 'icon' like Hayes prancing around in Guci suede moccasins like some tragically hip and overdressed revolutionary wannta be, playing the 'I'm a black!' race card to instigate fractionalism with confused simple people FOLLOWING him, do you people even think you know what the sam HELL you are doing? GeeeZ!

Boycott industries that run their sweat shops in other off shore despotisms and stop spinning your wheels in other people's ruts.

As long as you patronize these corporations, no wall or border will mean squat. Tin pot dictators use you simple folk to provide the division they REQUIRE to screw us all.

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one more time

by nazis for target practice Sunday, Jul. 01, 2007 at 7:36 AM

BR, you say there are no Black Americans. SOS supported, marched with, marched under the banner of (call it what you will) "Choose Black America," along side a float calling for reparations. SOS leadership (unless Patriotic Dream is no longer a leader) endorsed the march and called on SOS members to join in.

Now either SOS believes there is a Black America that should be chosen (complete with reparations) or SOS is a frigging bunch of opportunistic windbags who will line themselves up with anyone who will have them and their damnable anti-immigrant message.

Of course, you have the right to tell me that you don't support SOS's position, either 1) in choosing Black America and reparations, or 2) by being amoral leaches.

If you choose 1), we'll disagree--I believe there is a Black America and reparations are long overdue, whatever else CBA stands for--but I'll give you credit for having the courage of your convictions. I'll downright have some respect for you if you tell the truth and go for 2).

But you can't tell anyone here that there's no Black America and defend SOS's support of Choose Black America.

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BorderBlob--fascist hypocrit

by 1st hand source Thursday, Jul. 05, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Gerry "BorderBlob" Nance said:



LOFL!!

Then I guess that makes SOS a dictatorship EVEN in the Blob's myopic eyes.

Blobo has been trying for weeks to organize a meeting of the "leadership" of the various SoCal neo-fascist groups in Buena Park this week.

But Jabba got shot down, by who?, LEADERSHIP.

Chelene "Hateriotic Dream" punked his fat *ss and had him put it off, because as it turns out, the LEADERSHIP, which of course, doesnt include Gerry, had made OTHER (secret) plans and they DONT include the rank and file.

Nice try anyway, Blob. Don't forget to practice your "Sieg Heils" like your good little Nazi underling relatives did in Germany. ; )

Catcha later! : )

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poor gerry

by V Friday, Jul. 06, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Some of the juniors are picking on his authoritative senority. gerry you lost it. you are nobody to the leadership.

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by Jammer CC Friday, Jul. 06, 2007 at 4:38 PM

Hahahahahahahahha!

http://saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?p=228080#post228080

Gives Anarchism a little more credibility, huh

Senior members, hahahahaha

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see Burger Ravenous in action

by he's planning to take down Han Solo Friday, Jul. 06, 2007 at 6:45 PM

to seethe infamous Nazi Burger Ravenous caught on camera advising and consulting, click the following

http://k43.pbase.com/u11/jesse/upload/2564925.JabbaTheHutt.jpg

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by Jammer CC Friday, Jul. 06, 2007 at 6:51 PM

It's almost as funny as Frank Jorge and Ted Hayes fighting over the news camera like spoiled divas. Could be about ego and "manliness." I dunno. Can't wait until they're spoofed on by South Park, although it would be pretty hard when it's already so laughable.

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borderblob

by V Friday, Jul. 06, 2007 at 10:49 PM

It's funny gerry is being a dictatoral person to the new members, but he is not one of the leadership. He wants too though.

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by Jammer CC Saturday, Jul. 07, 2007 at 2:20 AM

It's like watching an episode of South Park when Cartman is up to some scheme, like genetically duplicating a Shakey's Pizza joint.

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by Jammer CC Saturday, Jul. 07, 2007 at 2:23 AM

In all seriousness, this is what happens to these types of groups. They take the American flag and the meaning of being "patriotic" and try to make it their own. There seems to be a very strict criteria for their form of patriotism, yet there are still differences amongst the members. That's when the sparks fly.

Couldn't they at least consider celebrating differences for once? Gee, one would think...

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give it up gerry

by V Saturday, Jul. 07, 2007 at 11:39 AM

when joey went to fair he cant manage SOS by himself so he gave it to chelene rather than you gerry because he knows you are going to ruin the movement by your hitler like behavior.

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border blob

by ch Saturday, Jul. 07, 2007 at 1:42 PM

that´s funny....

and an african person referring to themselves as black only connectsthem to the struggle, its not a racist term.

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SOS Sunk By In-fighting

by TruthBTold Sunday, Jul. 08, 2007 at 10:15 PM

OMG!

This is classic shit!

I have a front row seat to watch the sinking of the SOS shit ship!!

That 'group' can say whatever they want about us, because it is now all impotent words compared to the Circus sideshow going on over at Save Our Shitholes!

What a joke they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Jammer CC Sunday, Jul. 08, 2007 at 10:33 PM

And what better way to deal with infighting than to use the words "stand down." Yeah, that will go over really well with new members.

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borderingoninsanity

by ytc Sunday, Jul. 08, 2007 at 10:36 PM

BorderRaven is a moron.

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leadership?

by BorderRaven Monday, Jul. 09, 2007 at 3:12 AM
BorderRaven@aol.com

It seems "leadership" is not a proper word to describe how groups or organizations, formed under the membership of an online forum. Ex: MinutementCivilDefenseCorps, SaveOurState, NoMoreInvasions. There is no "leadership", but there is a dictatorship. The website host and technical administrator, owns the website. He or she allows a few people to have administrative powers, and a few others to have moderator powers. Most moderators are good, but SOS recent history with at least one moderator "Happy Bunny", aka "Sandinator", proved disasterous. Her single handed foulups caused many first day posters to drop or they were beheaded at her whim. No doubt, she posts here, in YouTube, and other forums, to continue her antagonism. The problems with an un-elected leadership, is lack of representation and voter power, in the decison making process. And should one utter a non-PC remark, it is not taken lightly, nor as a joke as intended, even though the author has power to edit theri post.

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hee hee hee

by nazis for target practice Monday, Jul. 09, 2007 at 5:18 AM

BR's latest almost speaks for itself, but he isn't telling me anything new about that crumbling molehill that was SOS. But it wasn't Sandinator that signaled SOS's end--it was when FAIR bought Joe and his org. They've been floundering ever since, trying to be badass supremacists and live up to FAIR's mainstream image at the same time. Remember, Ted Hayes works for FAIR, too. The death blow for SOS was having to support their "sistah" organization, Choose Black America with Ted and Afrikan American reparations, and the racists just couldn't stomach it. Prediction: Joe won't last at FAIR much longer, I give him six months outside. Hayes has a lot more to offer FAIR than Joey does. At least Ted can get 50 people into the street.

FAIR split the Minuteman Project, too, when they tried to take it over through Barbara Coe. And she pretty well lost her CCIR base over that stupid stunt. FAIR's lost its organizing spark in the decades since Prop 187. Getting old, I guess. I give FAIR 9 months before nobody cares about them either.

BR sez:

>ytc, speaks bravely in anonymity, and spews nothing but shit. He ain't got no creds, like the BR.

N4TP responds:

BR, you *lose* credibility bc we know who you are.

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BorderRaven Got The Boot!

by TruthBTold Monday, Jul. 09, 2007 at 7:37 PM

Looks like the "dictators" over at SOS got tired of BorderRaven.

He has officially been banned from SOS.

Where will he turn now?

'No More Invasion', otherwise known as 'The Home Depot Whores'?

They will tire of his militant blob ways soon enough.

He needs to change his name to RogueRaven now.

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YTcommunitywatch aka ytc

by YTC Monday, Jul. 09, 2007 at 8:09 PM

That is GREAT news. We are slowly but surely disintegrating MM/SOS (Sandi Brogan, Gilchrist, Dennis/AP77 and his thugs, and now the militia-wannabe BorderingOnInsanityRaven). Hopefully he doesn't go on a terroristmspree like one of the people he looks up to, Tim McVeigh.

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by Jammer CC Monday, Jul. 09, 2007 at 10:31 PM

And how about when "Patriot Army Mom" posted this:

"Just to be a bitch, I'd wear a white robe and head gear. I'm getting tired of being nice folks! Fight fire with fire. Just bring salve!"

Will she be the next to go? Or hmm, will she be promoted hahaha!

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The way to defend the community

by Fight2Win Saturday, Jul. 21, 2007 at 1:44 AM

This was the way to defend working people. Not the police or the laws ourselves. Last year the minutemen went into Leimert Park with Ted Hayes and put a pro-immigrant protestor in a headlock.

17392@kcbs.dayport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=17392@kcbs.dayport.com

Unlike the community who was completely peaceful. We took them down and we'll do it again!

Black Brown unity: 1

White supremacists/Uncle Toms: 0

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FYI

by nazis for target practice Saturday, Jul. 21, 2007 at 9:28 PM

"Small and Mighty" is the handle for a hardcore SOS member.

It seems the people from South Central who defended Leimert Park knew exactly who they were up against when SOS marched down Crenshaw. If this is Small and Mighty from SOS, then the Park defenders were protecting their entire district from people who walked in with the desire to erase them and their land from the planet.

I expect the post above this may soon be hidden--at least a wish for such violence should be. Even if it is, it's worth taking a peek at the rhetorical violence that still permeates our society. These people are no joke, however amusing their antics around SoCal have been at times. They are capable of violence, they are within range of mass killing, to preserve the dominance of their race.

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Meltdown at SOS?

by reader Tuesday, Aug. 07, 2007 at 1:05 AM

http://saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?p=228080#post228080

That's fascinating. He's having a meltdown in two locations.

BR, I have sympathy for you, even though I disagree with you.
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Unity

by feeder Tuesday, Aug. 07, 2007 at 8:13 AM

There's disagreements on our side too. Mexica Movement don't like socialists. Neither does Aztlan.net. But they disagree with each other too (there's a difference of opinion about Jewish conspiracy). Anarchists and Socialists like each other, but not enough. Liberal globalists and liberal nationalists conflict. A few individuals seem to have issues with Mexican flags, and a few with American flags.

We get along because of creepy groups like SOS, the common enemy.

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Taking a Powerful Stand Against Racism

by Varlet Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2007 at 9:43 PM

What a great demonstration against anti-immigrant racism and what appears to be a very well-funded effort to drive a wedge between African-Americans and Latinos! Wish I was there!

Great job in organizing this demo and in standing up to the neo-fascist Minutemen, FAIR, SOS and their lackeys in the CBA, especially.

Workers of the World, Unite... to smash racism in all its forms!

Varlet





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Workers of the World, Unite...

by BorderRaven Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2007 at 11:29 PM
borderraven@aol.com

to show the government it is ok fo violate the civil rights of those you disagree with. It is ok to block the free movement and expression of speech. A precedent has been set by the people.

Workers united will decide who has a voice.

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how does it feel?

by to be or not to be - a tool Thursday, Aug. 16, 2007 at 1:27 AM

what a question.

Amusing as you are, in your pitiful attempts to be significant, you only provide the mockery of an insignificant and desperate follower.

Ha ha ha ha hah...

why don't you tuff boys do something that isn't so embarrassing. To everyone. You're not effective.

You're counter effective as your actions have proven unless you wanted to arouse such rancor. From nearly entire communities and cities.

Ha ha ha ha hah...

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Divided we are Stronger?

by The Anti- Thursday, Aug. 16, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Divided we are Stronger? I think it's time for Gen. Butteravan [ that's four stars! Or was it Adm. Butteravan, to engage the enemy as an Army of One.

Anyway, in one sense your correct.

You boys should be separated until you learn to play together without getting into trouble.

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grandfather

by Z Thursday, Aug. 16, 2007 at 2:37 PM

borderraven, how's your nazi grandfather?

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