Do you know where you end up if you’re dumb as shit, if you’re a coward and a drunk and if you're lazy as hogs shit?

You end up sending our boys to fight a war for Israel in Iraq and getting stuck there.

Just ask President Bush.

Kids at university are exempt from the draft. Kerry spilt the beans about a draft on the horizon by saying make the most of education or you can end up in Iraq.

The draft that has been proposed is a universal draft- no exemptions.

THE draft proposed? Or, one of the draft resolutions proposed?

Bush, Kerry spar over joke senator made about Iraq


Cox News Service
Nov. 1, 2006 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - President Bush and Sen. John Kerry, old foes from the 2004 campaign trail, engaged in a new fight Tuesday as they sparred over a Kerry remark that Bush said insulted U.S. troops by calling them uneducated.

Nonsense, Kerry said, insisting he had offered a "botched joke" intended to insult Bush and his aides as uneducated in the prelude to the war in Iraq.

Kerry, Bush said at a Georgia campaign rally, owes an apology to the troops.

Forget it, Kerry said, insisting Bush owes an apology for the problems in Iraq.

At the heart of the rekindled Bush-Kerry squabble was the Massachusetts senator's comment Monday at Pasadena City College in California.

Kerry said it was obvious he was joking because the comment came amid several one-liners he used to begin the Monday speech at a rally for Phil Angelides, Democratic challenger to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. The jokes included a comment noting Bush once lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial."

It was that line that led to the comment that sparked the controversy. Kerry said Tuesday that it was "a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops . . . and they know that's what I was talking about."

He had said Monday: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Bush rapped Kerry for his "suggestion that the men and women of our military are somehow uneducated is insulting, and it is shameful."

"The senator from Massachusetts owes them an apology," Bush said at a Perry, Georgia rally for GOP House candidate Mac Collins.

Kerry said no apology is necessary.

"My statement yesterday, and the White House knows this full well, was a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops," he said.

The joke, according to Kerry, was "very simple: that those who didn't study it properly, those who made the mistakes, they got us into Iraq."

He called the administration's righteous indignation "a stunning statement about their willingness to reduce anything in America to raw politics."

The back-and-forth came as Bush, who came to Washington hoping to foster a more civil tone in a town that doesn't do civil, continued to use high-torque rhetoric in advance of Election Day.

Scrambling to maintain a GOP congressional majority for the final two years of his presidency, Bush tells Republican rallies the Democrats want to dip into taxpayers' pockets and they want to lose the war in Iraq, a development he predicts could lead to further attacks upon the U.S.

Bush returns to the road Thursday for a swing that ends on Election Day, when he votes in Crawford, Texas, before returning to Washington to watch the returns.

In a Tuesday interview with Cox Television's Washington Bureau, Bush expressed confidence in a GOP victory next week but veered a bit from the no-doubt-about-it predictions he has made in recent weeks.

"I believe we'll win," he said. "I'm not really a very good political pundit. I spend most of my time thinking about how to protect the country and get good policies in place."

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Bush's stump rhetoric will intensify as Election Day approaches.

He was making a point that the only way to get the children of the rich and powerful to fight would be to have a universal draft.

What he wasn't serious about was the excuse that the draft would be blind to wealthy potential draftees.

....changes the fact that there is no draft and no 'student deferrments'...and no plans at present to reinstitute the draft....a volunteer military is always better motivated and more combat effective.....nobody I know of seriously thinks that GW is going to reinstitute the draft before he leaves office in 2009

Why would the selective service have the infrastructure already set for the draft?
Shhhhhh..... go back to sleep.

Oh really?....well why dont you ask around and see for yourself how many local draft boards actually have sitting members.....you will be very dissappointed

based on my assessment of the situation while the writing is on paper (in those over 700 "signing statements") I just don't see it happening.

Imagine what impact that would have on his neocon election seats - as if they aren't already sliding into the abyss :)

even if it did I suspect a huge protest/movement the likes of which have never been seen before

with our actual asses on the line (for a change) who _wouldn't_ be out on the street demonstrating then ?

Kerry needed a better joke writer. Here's the text:

"It's great to be here with college students. I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

He removed the "us," changing the meaning.

Bush responded: "The members of the United States military are plenty smart and they are plenty brave, and the senator from Massachusetts owes them an apology."

"Plenty smart?" Is that rich boy talking country again? Bush is a Yalie pretending to be a hick, the way non-Black people pretend to be Black.

The neo-cons are going to need a lot more troops if they want to take on Iran and North Korea like they say they do.

Recruitment numbers are way down, The military can no longer reach their targeted numbers for an all volunteer military. The word is out that if you enlist you will see combat. No one believes the non-combat position lie any more. The only people enlisting these days are the poor and immigrant classes fooled by promises of education and healthcare or a path to citizenship. 30% of military are not citizens of the US.

They are not dumb they just don’t have any other good choices. For many it’s the army or prison or back to Mexico to starve to death or get killed by the police. For these people anyone should be able to understand the logic of “I’m not going back home to die I’ll take my chances in Iraq at least there I’ll have a weapon I can use to defend myself” – actual quote from a Mexican Iraq war vet.

The SSS is all set to induct millions if the order is given. Check out the details of the process on their web site. The level of detail and process they have in place is scary. They are ready to call up everyone. Student deferment they had in the 60’s, gone. Exemption for women, that’s gone too. You don’t pass the physical, they will teach to fly a drone. Apply for CO status, good luck it will be denied. They are setup to grab everybody. Your other choices will be flee the country or jail.

The state considers its citizens as part of its domain. We may see our body as rightfully belonging to us but the state does not. The state claims the right to dominion over you and your body. Nothing exemplifies this more than the draft.

Sadly I think the draft is the only thing at this point that will get the anti-war movement going again.

> See you in Canada

Canada has made new arrangements with them to return any eligible draftee to the U.S. to face procecution..




> the draft is the only thing at this point that will get the anti-war movement going again.


agreed


I think they realize that however and that's why we won't have it :)

Kerry helped Bush send troops to Iraq. Was Kerry insulting himself as being intelectualy lazy as he was allegedly insulting Bush's alleged inteligence???

OR, was it damage controle spin created to cover up the FACT that Kerry warned universtiy students to do well in school or face getting stuck in Iraq should they flunk out of university??? Which could only mean a draft in the future. And soon enough to effect students currently enroled.

Well, was Kerry's intent to insult himself along side of Bush, or are you being played, again? Duh.