"I Never Feared for My Life"
The Story of My Kidnapping in Nablus

By MICHAEL PHILLIPS

When I finished teaching my English class in the Israeli-occupied West Bank city of Nablus last Tuesday, the most pressing thing on my mind was getting to an Internet cafe to check my e-mail. It's impossible to walk the streets of this crowded city without running into someone you know. Had I realized what was in store for me that night, I might have lingered with the friends who insisted I join them for a cup of coffee.

Instead, I hurried on my way. But before I could get to the cafe, I was grabbed by two men, forced into a car and driven off.

In the car, a blanket was thrown over me and my hands were bound. After about half an hour, I was blindfolded, taken out of the car and into a room, and tied to a bed.

I didn't know where I was or why I had been seized. I lay in the dark, picturing my parents pacing our home in Louisiana, their hearts in their throats. My kidnapping was the kind of experience they feared when they begged me not to go to the West Bank. I knew they would be panic-stricken when they heard.

But in the morning, my captors removed my blindfold, gave me food and water and told me that soon I'd be going back to my family. They spoke broken English, and I speak little Arabic, but we managed rudimentary conversations.

They asked if I wanted more water. I asked if I could sit up.

Perhaps surprisingly, I never feared for my life. I'd been teaching English in Nablus since June, and many people knew me. I was certain they would help. And they did.

After a day and a half, my captors untied me and drove me to Balata refugee camp, near Nablus. A Palestinian Legislative Council member and scores of Palestinian friends greeted me. No one knew the group claiming credit for my capture, but the police assured me they would search for them.

Why did I come to Nablus, despite my family's pleas to stay away?

I had no connection to the region. I was born and raised near New Orleans. During a family vacation to Morocco, I became fascinated with the Middle East. I traveled to the region as often as I could and majored in international affairs at college.

My studies and travels exposed me to the Palestinians' lack of freedom and equal rights. But I knew that to really understand it, I had to live it. And because my government supplies the massive financial and diplomatic support that makes Israel's occupation of the West Bank possible, I wanted to see the effects of those policies firsthand.

Of course, I don't experience the occupation like a Palestinian. They are penned into ghettoes, surrounded by Israel's separation wall, and routinely prevented from traveling. I can move freely and can leave at any time.

But I've seen what the military occupation means.

It means that every aspect of your life is controlled by a foreign army. It means waiting hours in checkpoint lines, trying to get to school.

It means living under curfew, only leaving your house a few hours each week. It means watching your land taken to build homes you cannot live in and roads you cannot drive on because you are not Jewish.

It means rationing drinking water, while nearby Israeli settlements fill their swimming pools and irrigate their lawns.

Palestinians have tried every peaceful avenue to win their freedom. The United Nations passed dozens of resolutions affirming their rights; Israel simply ignores them.

The International Court of Justice ruled in 2004 that Israel's separation wall and settlements were illegal. Construction of both continues.

After nearly four decades under occupation, some Palestinians, apparently including my captors, are driven to desperate and despicable acts. But most still believe that if Americans knew the truth about the discrimination, segregation and brutal occupation they suffer, we would try to end it, just as we worked to end apartheid in South Africa.

Most Palestinians eagerly embrace Americans like me. They are anxious to tell their story, hoping I will tell others. My kidnapping, perhaps ironically, has not diminished my resolve to do just that.

My tax dollars buy the weapons that kill Palestinian children, destroy Palestinian homes and uproot their farms.

My country is the one nation in the world with the power to right this wrong.

Our policies should promote freedom and equal rights for Palestinians, to free both peoples in this land of the desperation and hopelessness that led to my capture.

Michael Phillips is an American volunteer from Louisiana who teaches English in the occupied West Bank.

Kidnapped AP photographer freed
Report, Committee to Protect Journalists, 24 October 2006

Emilio Morenatti
Kidnappers released an Associated Press photographer late Tuesday, hours after he was seized at gunpoint in the Gaza Strip, the AP reported.

Spanish photojournalist Emilio Morenatti, 37, was seen by an AP reporter at the office of a Fatah official after he was freed. The AP said no group claimed responsibility for the kidnapping.

Morenatti was abducted by unidentified Palestinian gunmen as he walked out of his apartment in Gaza City towards his driver and interpreter Majed Hamdan, the AP reported. Hamdan said four gunmen grabbed his keys and phone and told him to turn away, pressing a gun to his head, and threatening to harm him. The gunmen shoved Morenatti into a white Volkswagen and sped off.

Spokesmen for both Hamas, the Islamic group that leads the Palestinian government, and President Mahmoud Abbas, who heads the moderate Fatah Party, had condemned the attack, and called for the journalist's immediate release.
Morenatti has been working for the AP in Jerusalem since April 2005. He had been in Gaza since Sunday.

Once rare, journalist abductions in the Gaza Strip have increased over the last two years. On August 14, a previously unknown group called the Holy Jihad Brigades abducted Fox News Channel correspondent Steve Centanni and freelance cameraman Olaf Wiig in the center of Gaza City. The journalists were held for 13 days before being released unharmed.

In addition to Morenatti, at least nine other journalists have been kidnapped in Gaza since 2005. All were released unharmed. Past kidnappings appear to be the work of private individuals or groups seeking to exploit foreign hostages for political purposes or using them as bargaining chips to secure the release of colleagues or relatives imprisoned by the Palestinian Authority.

There are situations in which abduction is justified, and Becky herself would would shut right the fuck up about this if the right examples were summoned. Mordecai Vanunu, for example.

On 27 December 1974, following the all-important political fallout of the Managua earthquake of 1972, the FSLN (a.k.a. 'Sandinistas') abducted multiple top Somoza regime officials, including several Somoza family members (no coincidence).

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+ni0022)
"With the mediation of Archbishop Obando y Bravo, the government and the guerrillas reached an agreement on December 30 that humiliated and further debilitated the Somoza regime. The guerrillas received US$1 million ransom, had a government declaration read over the radio and printed in La Prensa, and succeeded in getting fourteen Sandinista prisoners released from jail and flown to Cuba along with the kidnappers. The guerrilla movement's prestige soared because of this successful operation."

Right the fuck on!!

Viva la revolution!!

If ONLY Americans had nuts like this -- never mind all their TALK -- they wouldn't be anyone's SUBJECTS

on 31 July 1970, the Tupamaros guerrillas of Uruguay kidnapped CIA torture teacher Dan Mitrione and did what was right: gave him his own medicine until he was dead as a fuckin doornail. Sweet justice at last!

Don't let the zionist pig-buckets go lecturing to you about "justice" and "morality." They're fundamentally hostile to BOTH

" ...needless to say I'm digging dirt on you BTW "

You don't need to dig dirt. I'm willing to share my dirt with the entire group.

Just ask.

the dirt I want is the dirt you _don't_ want to share

I didn't see you going around announcing your being a registered poster on indymediaWATCH for example

sweet jesus it's mole time !

hey ! did you know this man who goes around acting like an impartial IMC editor is really an anti-IMC contributer ?

here's the proof - in his own words...

dirt like that will really help your popularity and drive that much needed traffic to "your" site, UC-IMC, not to mention reflect so well on you, it and IMC in general for tolerating moles like you

but when the real business is gatekeeping it all makes sense - no ?

I'm trying to figure out a way to make all my posts pink all the time - literally

I'm setting up a re-writing HTML filter too to *always* view the hidden posts exclusively

I feel this best sets the mood for the actual environment we're really in :)

re: nicks

there's no way to tell who's who thanks to LACK OF registration and poster's who FAIL to stick to one nick

so it's anyone's guess...

it's not unlikely however that interested parties digest the input all the same and that he does likewise in any case





> Does that make him a mole? Does that make him an anti- IMC contributor?


:)


well he only posts NOT registered (anonymously) to defend himself - not at all the same thing as being an active registered participant

diluting and whitewashing along with deflecting the issue to other's doesn't make it any better...


really

Uhh.. hey, I got an idea.
Why don't you two start a bitching thread about report buttons, hiding, spoofs, spooks, moles, trolls and his blessed majesty Mr. gehrig
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Aren't you 'guys' getting a bit obvious in your methods of tag teaming a thread away from its topic? And then loading it with quips, snips, tips and licks?
The topic was how the journalist's personal experience with his captors gave him a witness's view into occupied territories.

Opps, forgive the interruption...

I've always thought you were working together.
If indeed you aren't the same individual with a manic / depressive disorder.

But this kidnapping is merely another aspect of the engineered chaos generated by the pervasive israeli infiltration and terrorism that the zionist leaders and their sycophantic lobby of paid weasels ( does gehrig draw a salary from his job @ UC IMC ? ) employ to create disorder with the same tactics ( didn' t YID threaten a few folks? ) that they use to assault this newswire.

you didn't say _a thing_ about the thread topic - *just bitching* (like "us" ?)


must be those chemtrails getting to you...


re: gehring's straw man, JFK

well that safely deflects away from being a registered contributor to indymediaWATCH

well maybe not :)



so just plain reporters or EMBEDDED reporters, box it in, gatekeep style

there's more than one level to embedding...

The topic was how the journalist's personal experience with his captors gave him a witness's view into occupied territories- Jim/Klem...

Our story so far:
Nessie, TW and Gehrig all are "agency" trained.
They are now working with TIA.
The individual known as Sheepdog/Hex is also involved, if only on a peripheral level.

Holy cow, Batman! Is there anyone on this thread that isn't involved with the "Conspiracy" ?

And, and speaking of the vast Zionist conspiracy:
"Nessie" :
If the good Lord's willing and the creeks don't rise, I am really looking forward to your open house next Wednesday. I can't wait to see the mural. I bet it looks great. Would you mind if I bring a friend or two?

Love and kisses,
Total Information Awareness

Nice pattern.

Do you know about the hedge hog charge?

So tell us about hedgehogs.

Hex, sorry, Sheep: "I've always thought you were working together. "

Thanks for demonstrating how little it means when you think something.

And nope, UCIMC has never paid me a dime. Not for my website work, not for painting the ceilings, not for clearing spam off the site, nothing. Thanks for asking.

Sheep, sorry, Hex: "well that safely deflects away from being a registered contributor to indymediaWATCH"

Once more: I didn't register for the Indymediawatch site, I registered for blogger.com, which hosts, I'd guess, hundreds of thousands of active blogs, ONE of which happens to be indymediawatch. And I have made posts on indymediawatch defending the parts of indymedia I consider defensible and attacking the parts of indymedia I consider indefensible.

Have you got it _yet_? This is only, what, the fourth time I've explained?

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The desperate zionist hasbarah volunteers have heaped so much distractive screaming bullshit on here it got lost. Oh yeah, here we go:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/184870.php

The following post has status hidden:

Remember what happened to Tom Fox
by Becky Johnson • Thursday, Oct. 26, 2006 at 7:15 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.

BECKY: Censored again!! Everything I reported was accurate. I expressed my disgust and abhorence over using kidnapping to extort political gains. And I brought up the spector of Tom Fox--tortured and murdered following a kidnapping in Iraq.

I guess the ISM-types don't want you to think about Tom Fox's death, and its implications.

I encourage readers to click on the "hidden" button at the top so you can read what Indymedia doesn't want you to know.

Yeah, that was most regrettable, but it's just typical of your vicious zio-bigot way of thinking that you want to zero in on "those eeeevyill Muslims" while completely ignoring the crime a million times larger, which is the unspeakably criminal siege your own country has been waging against them for SIXTEEN YEARS NOW!!! This is the crucible that has made those people what they are today.

No, it's not "islamist indoctrination" that did that. It's watching their entire world fall apart, and their dreams along with it. Watching helplessly as a whole generation of their children or siblings died of dysentery, diphtheria, cholera. And all the while the COWARDS doing it to them, the criminal scum from the other side of the world, were hiding over the horizon behind their super-weapons.

Picture what Americans would be like if we were besieged by, say, Russians in the same manner on our own soil. If some Russian priest came over here after 15 years of such a war to "reach out to us" and then fell into the wrong hands, do you think his American captors would be calm and reasonable? I am positive they would be wild with bloodlust. There is no fucking way that Russian priest would live as long as Fox did.

Shit, who am I kidding? You can't relate to the mental space the Iraqis are in at this point.
a) you don't want to anyway, and
b) NONE of us can, even if we try.

We're not going to win this war. Twisted imperialist pig-bags like you love to imagine the Iraqis are being worn down by all this, psychologically defeated. Oh no they're not. They're being forged into superhuman heroes, tough as piano wire, just like the Vietnamese were, so different in this way from gooshy pouting-baby Americans that they might as well live on a different planet

• Consistent with International Law, The United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 194 on December 11, 1948. Paragraph 11 states: "the [Palestinian] refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/c758572b78d1cd0085256bcf0077e51a?OpenDocument

• UN General Assembly Resolution 194 has been affirmed practically every year since 1948 with universal consensus except for Israel and the U.S. This resolution was further clarified by UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 which reaffirms in Subsection 2: "the inalienable right of Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return."


• Israel's admission to the UN was conditional on its acceptance of relevant UN resolutions including 194. Hindering return is a war crime and an act of aggression which deserves action by the international community. The international community can therefore apply sanctions on Israel until it complies with international law.


http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/025974039acfb171852560de00548bbe?OpenDocument

Under the Ottoman/Ossman Turkish rule, all lands belonged to the sultan. So, I guess the last time Palestinian lands became Palestinian owned was when Turkish sultans no longer flew thier flag over PALESTNIAN LANDS.

When did Greece become Greek owned??? I guess the last time Greece became Greek owned was ALSO when Turkish masters got kicked out. Duh. Becky's inane ramblings sure are fun to play with.

194; "live at peace with thier neighbors". it is no wonder Zionist crusaders will not let Palestinians return. Zionists KNOW that they are no more the Palestinian's neighbors than Oscar Schindler was the Krackow Pole's "neighbor".

When 33 Judeo-christian member (small c) states of the 1947 UN chose to draw a line across a map of palestine and gave Zionists thier blessings for Zionists to be murderous thieves of 1/2 of Palestine, that gets played up as making the Zionist's bloodsoaked war of conquest somehow (?) legitimate, even defensive in some circles. BUT when the MUCH more inclusive 2003 UN chose NOT to approve Bush's invasion of Iraq, the UN becomes Irrelivant, Obsoleat, meaningless. Makes it pretty clear that the UN is not an organization of PEACE but an organization of APPEASMENT.

the Zionist crusader state votes with the US at the UN. You don't see that rationalization much any more. probably because it is the clearest example of how Zionist propaganda plays on people's programmed prejudices. How could the Zionist crusader state voting with the US at the UN give Zionists a birthright of murderous theft of even 1 single rock in Palestine??? And it doesn't make Democrap and Republitrash support for the ZIonist's crusade any less of an offense against our Palestinian neighbors.

According to ARIJ GIS database, more than 1.2 million (1.2%+) olive trees were uprooted since 1967 out of 12+ million olive trees in the Palestinian occupied territory.




According to Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture statistic report, the number of olive trees uprooted and destroyed as of the breakout of the second Intifada in September 2000 until 31/12/2005, Israel uprooted (464,945) olive trees in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, (157,831) in the West Bank and (307,831) in Gaza Strip.


http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/view.php?recordID=903

You cannot expect anyone to believe "Israelis virtually begged the resident Arab population to stay" and not have the readers who aren't morons to swallow it.
The Zionists came in with murderous intentions and actions from 1948 on until this very day.

how many times do you have to post this?
Samuel Clemens was writer of fiction. As well as your selected hero.
Try reading Letters From Earth

Innocents Abroad was a travelogue. Look it up in the library.
Fiction is organized by the authors last name. Innocents Abroad is classified as history:
818.403 T911

Next!!!!

You cannot expect anyone to believe "Israelis virtually begged the resident Arab population to stay" and not have the readers who aren't morons to swallow it.

From Israel's Dcelartaion of Independence:

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.


Next!!!!!

Isn't true that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East? Maybe if more countries as democratic as Israel, peace might happen in no time
למאמר בעברית



There is no denying of the fact that the Middle East is mostly ruled by autocratic, oppressive, and undemocratic regimes. On the other hand, the majority of these repressive regimes were mostly founded and funded based on Israeli and American wishes. It should be noted that the most popular revolts in the Middle East have been ruthlessly crushed by American puppet regimes (whom the West often refer to by "Moderate regimes") in the area. The regimes in Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Hashemite Kingdom, Lebanon (before the civil war), Arab Gulf States, Morocco, Iran (prior to the Islamic revolution), Turkey, ... etc., were all funded and directed by the United States of America; the land of the free and the home of the brave. Sadly, many of the so called "moderate regimes" are ten times more accountable to Uncle Sam than to their own public. Ironically, if democracy truly shall serve Israel's national interests in the region, then maybe it should direct its powerful lobby in Washington, AIPAC, to start lobbying on behalf of the oppressed in the Middle East; after all promoting "democracy is the key" to a lasting peace in the Middle East?

It's worth noting that soon after the 1948 war, the undemocratic Arab regimes were the central factor in protecting the newly emerging "Jewish state". And any forms of organized local resistance against Israel, similar to Hizbullah's in southern Lebanon, was ruthlessly dealt with in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Actually, many of Israel's "moderate" Arab neighbors transplanted most Palestinian refugee camps inland away from the Israeli borders, to curb the so called Palestinian "infiltration" [ or return] back to their homes in Israel. The so called "Infiltration Problem", which faced Israel between 1949-1955, had become the most pressing and expensive challenge to face the newly emerging "Jewish state". In other words, it's not the presence, but the absence of democracy that greatly serves the Israeli interests in the region, and based on that the United States has systematically shored up these unpopular regimes against the wishes of the people (i.e. the Hashemite Kings in Jordan, the Saudi Kings in Arabia, Mubarak of Egypt, Saddam Hussein in Iraq prior to the Gulf War, and the Emirates in the Gulf States), and undermined the popularly elected governments (i.e. toppling Musadiq in Iran in the early 1950s, invading Lebanon in the late 1950s, shoring up the Hashemites in Jordan in the late 1950s, and undermining Nasser in Egypt).

It's rarely questioned, by many Israelis and Zionists, how the Jewish minority in Palestine became a majority within few months in 1948. Since the inception of Zionism, its leaders have been keen on creating a "Jewish state" based on a "Jewish majority" by mass immigration of Jews to Palestine, primarily European Jews fleeing from anti-Semitic Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany. When a "Jewish majority" was impossible to achieve, based on Jewish immigration and natural growth, Zionist leaders (such as Ben Gurion, Moshe Sharett, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and Chaim Weizmann) concluded that "population transfer" was the only solution to what they referred to as the "Arab Problem." Year after year, the plan to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its indigenous people became known as the "transfer solution". David Ben-Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister, eloquently articulated the "transfer solution" as the following:

* In a joint meeting between the Jewish Agency Executive and Zionist Action Committee on June 12th, 1938:

"With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." (Righteous Victims p. 144).
* In a speech addressing the Central Committee of the Histadrut on December 30, 1947:

"In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment, will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority .... There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 176 & Benny Morris p. 28)
* And on February 8th, 1948 Ben-Gurion also stated to the Mapai Council:

"From your entry into Jerusalem, through Lifta, Romema [East Jerusalem Palestinian neighborhood]. . . there are no [Palestinian] Arabs. One hundred percent Jews. Since Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, it has not been Jewish as it is now. In many [Palestinian] Arab neighborhoods in the west one sees not a single [Palestinian] Arab. I do not assume that this will change. . . . What had happened in Jerusalem. . . . is likely to happen in many parts of the country. . . in the six, eight, or ten months of the campaign there will certainly be great changes in the composition of the population in the country." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 180-181)
* In a speech addressing the Zionist Action Committee on April 6th, 1948:

"We will not be able to win the war if we do not, during the war, populate upper and lower, eastern and western Galilee, the Negev and Jerusalem area ..... I believe that war will also bring in its wake a great change in the distribution of Arab population." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 181)
* Click here for more "Transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) quotes from Zionist leaders.

It's not only that the Zionists deemed it necessary to practice ETHNIC CLEANSING to build their vision of "Jewish Democracy", they have also opted to keep many Israelis in the dark by directly censoring what they read, hear, and see in the Israeli media. Martin Van Creveld (the renowned Israeli military strategist, and historian) eloquently described Israeli controlled censorship as follows:

* "The [Israeli military] censor exercises draconian power over the content in the media, licenses newspapers, and fines and suspends newspapers if, in his view, they have violated secrecy. He does not have to explain the reasons for his decision; indeed one paragraph in the law obliges newspapers to publish free ads by military censor denying or correcting information that papers themselves published. . . . Thus one of the [Israeli military] censor's main functions is to keep Israelis ignorant of what everybody else knows." (The Sword And The Olive, p. 110)
* "By this time [referring to the period prior to the October war in 1973] Israel's system of media self-censorship had begun to backfire. .... the media, voluntarily refraining from publishing the news, helped the IDF in its own assessment [that Arabs are incapable of going to war] and put the public to sleep." (The Sword And The Olive, p. 223)
* Click here to view a Real Movie depicting Israeli censorship on newspapers, radio, and TV networks.

For the moment, let's assume that the above facts, arguments, and quotes are nonsense to the average Israeli and Zionist, and let's ask the following questions:

* Are you aware that 95% of Israel's lands are open for development for "Jewish people" only?
* Are you aware that the Israeli-Palestinian minority (who are close to a quarter of Israel's citizens) are restricted to 3% of land?

The implementation of these apartheid policies resulted in disenfranchising a quarter of the Israeli population, who mostly continue to live in segregate, gated, and over crowded ghettos that are plagued with high unemployment rate and suffers from lack of basic services. In fact, there are over forty plus unrecognized Palestinian-Israeli villages (within the "Green Line") that receives no public services whatsoever , such as roads, sanitation, electricity, schools, ...etc.

Finally, it's worth emphasizing that "Israeli democracy" is an incarnation of Apartheid South Africa's democracy. It also could be argued that Apartheid South Africa was for a very long time the only democracy in Africa, however, it was a democracy for the White race only. Similarly, Zionist democracy in Israel was and still is designed to empower Jews only based on their religion. At one point, Israel has to choose between being a "Democratic Jewish State" or a "Democratic State" to all of its citizens, Jews and non-Jews alike. Eventually, such a facade to democracy will self-destruct, and until it changes, the talk about "Israeli democracy" is nothing but a propaganda that makes good sound bytes in the Western and Israeli medias.

You can have a democracy and still have crime.
Democracy doesn't mean utopia.
If only it did.

There was just an article in hte local paper. It said the sex slave industry in South Korea was a 30+ billion dollar a year industry. Just for comparisons sake.

Today, in South Korea sex work accounts for 4 percent of the country's gross domestic product, according to government reports. Prostitution brings $21 billion a year -- more than electricity and gas combined. There are an estimated 330,000 sex workers, 80,000 brothels and 69 red-light districts in a country the size of Indiana.

and of course South Korea is a democracy

...for comparisons sake

When was that, Becky? When they chased 800,000 of them off during Nakba? Or when they chased additional thousands out during and after the Six-Day War? I was reading Facts On File for 1967 the other day, and I found a story that the IDF was terrorizing Palestinians in the West Bank after the invasion and in this way depopulating whole districts by compelling people to run for their lives. During this period Israel was providing them with free one-way bus trips to crossings on the Jordan River. How generous! It sure looks different from what you're saying though. Got any CREDIBLE sources? Naw, 'course not. You just figured you could Jedel mind-trick us again

but I do get keyword hits on what she DOES read - and pastes

I've seen the claim of being the "great journalist" that she never C&P's , etc, but my keyword hits tell a different story

not to mention the same exact "re-education" posts over & over from years back and on different IMC's I discovered yesterday...

"unchecked Arab land grab.'
Thanks again for your select inversion of reality from one of your favorite liars.
The terrorist, gangster israeli 'state' requires a huge propaganda effort to twist reality to fit acceptance of the GENOCIDE they perpetrate on the natives of this region.
Anyone even vaguely familiar with the on the ground practice of the zionist entity can see the frantic effort necessary to paint over the historical evidence of the murder and terror practiced by 'israel'.
To vilify the victims and elevate the terrorists of zionism to 'heroic endurance' and 'self protection' instead of plain monstrous aggression and seizure of land and resources for a racist ideology that manifests itself by treating the native population like hated vermin.
Who live in constant terror from IDF 'incursions' inside the naziesque ghettoes.

the 12 million olive trees in OCCUPIED Palestine

"desolate" was the perception being built up - this whitewashes the land grab




now the word of *one cherry picked person, Michelle Nevada* is supposed to refute the ARIJ GIS database compiled by many people who ALSO are right there counting the trees..

The Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture - what would they know ?

and just who IS this cherry picked person that would "know more than you or me" or the ARIJ GIS database or the Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture ?

keyword : "Michelle Nevada"

hits:

Michelle Nevada lives in the rural West and is a frequent columnist for Israel National News

Israel National News opinion by Michelle Nevada

www.isfsp.org

www.israelnationalnews.com

www.think-israel.org

www.jpfo.org

www.freerepublic.com

www.jdl.org

www.jewishsf.com

www.crisisisrael.com

www.standingwithisrael.org

israeluniverse.com

www.rjews.net

www.womeningreen.org

www.israelforum.com

www.israpost.com

zioneocon.blogspot.com

www.israelnn.com

www.israelnationaltv.com

www.mymarketing.co.il

littlegreenfootballs.com

Michelle Nevada lives in the rural West and is a frequent columnist for Israel National News

And Al Jeezera won't publish her if she writes pieces that don't toe the party line. Nor will the Palestinian government.

Why are your paid prorganada organs more objective than a written who lives in the rural west?

The Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture and the ARIJ GIS database are "paid propaganda organs" while the URL's I got hits on - some of which are *known paid zionist propaganda organs pretending to be pro-Palestinian websites* aren't ?

If it came from the Israeli Deptartment of Agricuture you'd dismiss it- why should we believe it coming from the Palistinian Dept. of Agriculture?

who is invading who's land and building illegal settlements ? who is building an apartheid wall which the many of the olive trees are being destroyed to clear room for ?

error

Children and adults.

Oh! OK, then I'm sure you won't bother to refute these direct experiences in Palestine:
Palestine Diaries:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5904.shtml

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5898.shtml
Live from the refugee camp:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5870.shtml


General stats:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/General_Stat.htm

With these poverty stats:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/Closures_stat.htm

and just these forced home/business demolitions/attacks:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/House_demolitions_stat.htm

Luckily, families and friends will take ea other in--in many cases. Sleeping outdoors is not a measure of homelessness...
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The Gaza strip has 8 refugee camps housing some 400.000 people which is about half the refugee population in the strip. The camps in Gaza are amongst the most densely populated areas in the world (in average there are 356.5 m2 per inhabitant in Gaza. In comparison every inhabitant in Ramallah has 3,978.1 m2, Jerusalem: 1,029.4 m2, Nablus: 3,244.3 m2, Jenin: 2,846.8 m2).
#

The biggest and most densely populated Palestinian refugee camp in the world is Jabaliya in the outskirts of Gaza City. 90.000 people live in an area of 3 km2.

> The post above claims 12 million trees were removed.

no it doesn't - that's the *total* number of olive trees in Palestine

the number destroyed is 1.2 million - approx 10 % of them (so far) (they didn't get the percentage right)




this is to address the idea that Palestine is "desolate" - a picture you paint in order to whitewash the land stealing in a better light



now that it's been disproven it's back to the tactic of painting a picture that things aren't so bad in the OCCUPIED territories

and for every picture you can find of normalcy I have 100 that show devastation by Israeli bombing, shelling and bulldozing - all in contravention of international law and UN resolutions


as to Michelle Nevada I've already exposed her as the zionist shill she is ;


isfsp.org
israelnationalnews.com
think-israel.org
jpfo.org
freerepublic.com
jdl.org
jewishsf.com
crisisisrael.com
standingwithisrael.org
israeluniverse.com
rjews.net
womeningreen.org
israelforum.com
israpost.com
zioneocon.blogspot.com
israelnn.com
israelnationaltv.com
mymarketing.co.il
littlegreenfootballs.com


these are the website's that use her stories ^


which you failed to mention as you tried to pass her off as a neutral party

I check out *every* person and source you try to pass off here, because in every case it turns out to be someone like this, with you selling it as impartial info..

after all what else do you do ?

Hmmm, I guess Becky is a "compassionate conservative" like Dubya...

Nothing in your links gives statistics on homelessness.

Jabaliya is decribed as a refugee camp- it brings to mind images of tents- its supposed to. The very words that are used are meant to invoke images. Thats the nature of propaganda.
This is a clinic and community center in Jabaliya. Is this what you'd expect?
I went through many websites- i've seen no photos of people living in tents. Did you find any?

Oh, but Becky's a leftist! No, really! She has all the merit badges!

http://leekaplanwatch.ytmnd.com/

So funny it might kill you

http://doucheparty.ytmnd.com/

My action group is extremely diverse. Gays, straights, multi-generational. We've got christians, jews, non-native speakers of English. We've got Republicans, we've got Democrats, we've got Greens, we've got people who refuse to vote. Yes. We also have anarchists. Being civil means you find common ground with everyone. You find points of connection.
So Becky works with Lee. Big deal. What does that mean? She also worked with Terry Messman of the American Friends Service Committee for many years.
You tell me its no big deal that Alison Weir has her work on David Duke's website. So why is it important that Becky has her work on Lee Kaplan's website?

Lee Kaplan, Dafka Exposed

By Will Wallace


Santa Cruz Community Television is offering up more than the usual community dish. Recently, Club Cruz, a locally produced television show, has been used as a platform for virtual infomercials for an extremist group with a record of harassing peace advocates.

The show, produced by Santa Cruz resident Becky Johnson, has featured on several occasions a man named Lee Kaplan, self-proclaimed founder and director of the extreme Zionist group, Dafka. During the episodes, Kaplan dominated the half-hour shows with inaccuracies about the Palestinian peace movement, negative stereotypes about Arabs and Islam, and potentially slanderous statements about widely respected groups such as Santa Cruz's Resource Center for Nonviolence and Berkely's MidEast Children's Alliance and individuals involved with them. Intermittently throughout the show, addresses of Kaplan's websites appeared across the screen and Kaplan invited viewers to visit the websites; he also promoted a book that was for sale on one of the websites. Each episode also featured a disgruntled Arab guest who shared negative opinions about Palestinians and Arabs from a presumed "insider's" perspective. (One questions the authenticity of such guests, however, since Kaplan brags on his website about disguising himself and passing himself off as an Arab at various peaceful gatherings.)

Ron Holman, Programming Director at Community Television, said that even though some people may disagree with statements Kaplan makes, he is able to appear on their channels via their rules which set up the community stations as resource centers for the public as opposed to a television network model. Holman noted that an individual's speech could be limited if he was inciting violence.

Though Kaplan didn't directly call for violence in the episodes, a little fact checking showed that groups he is associated with have been busy hijacking and illegally intruding on peaceful meetings, harassing peace activists and making at least one death threat.

- October 5, 2003. After participating in a debate at UC Berkeley on Middle East relations, activist Allison Weir received a death threat from an individual identifying himself with Dafka.

-December 3, 2003. DAFKA follows and harasses traveling peace exhibition, Wheels of Justice; coordinates harassment campaign via internet site.

-June 5, 2004. Progressive Jewish Bay Area Peace Demonstration Harassed by Anti-Palestinian Groups.

-November 19, 2004. Code Pink Hayward meeting at local church hijacked by hate groups Dafka and Protest Warrior; verbal abuse and physical intimidation used against female peace activists.

In his website, www.dafka.org, Kaplan describes himself as chief editor, "investigative journalist, news bureau head, businessman and political activist." In other media, however, he is listed with other titles, including "Contributing Editor" for David Horowitz's www.frontpagemag.com website and West Coast Coordinator" of Students for Academic Freedom. A post by someone identifying himself as Lee Kaplan on santacruzindymedia.org stated "I do make a living doing research about the Middle East and am a professional journalist. People do drop a dime to read me....I have appeared internationally on radio as a commentator." However, an extensive and exhaustive search yielded no information that could confirm Kaplan's location, background, education, research and type of business. In addition, there no evidence was found that he had been published in print, as he insinuated.

Kaplan appears to be involved in a network of pro-militancy, pro-Israeli international public relations agents who advocate, among other things, for Israel to seize all lands held 2000 years ago and mandatory military or civil service for all residents of Israel . He's also busy generating propaganda for a consortium of conservative websites with the aim of discrediting peace groups, activists, librarians and academics; recruiting college students in the Bay Area and Santa Cruz for his anti-Palestinian Peace Movement and academic censorship groups; and shaping U.S. policy on education through SAF and its associated groups.


What Does All of This Mean?


On a website found in Dafka's Links section, Bernard Shapiro, head of the "Freeman Center for Strategic Studies," describes a scheme for a worldwide public relations campaign with the ultimate aim of protecting the over six billion dollars Israel annually receives from the United States.

"I think it is time to take a second look at my concept but expand it to include radio, magazines, cable television (cable will accept this type of commercial) and newspapers. The ads should range from the very soft evocative travel type to some hard hitting but subtle political messages. Pretend that Israel is a corporation with a vast market in the United States. Receipts from that market top $6 Billion Dollars ( including US economic and military aid, UJA, Israel Bonds, JNF, plus all the other campaigns from Yeshivas to the Technion). What would you spend to protect a market of that magnitude? One half of one percent would equal $30 million. You can run for president with thirty million dollars. In a wild fantasy, lets say we have that much money. And let's say we hire a talented creative ad man to develop a multi-faceted, multi-media, and multi-year campaign to win the hearts and minds of the American people."

Kaplan is a regular contributor to the Freeman website.

Like the "frontpagemag" operation, Students for Academic Freedom is one of several organizations under the leadership umbrella of David Horowitz . SAF doesn't actually promote "freedom" as much as encouraging students to turn in their teachers for saying things they don't like or giving them grades they don't want. If this seems eerily similar to approaches used by fascist campaigns throughout the world, that's because it is. This website includes organizing tools, blank complaint forms for students to pass out and an "Academic Bill of Rights," which amounts to a plan for academic censorship. It also has a "National and State Legislation" section (on the left scroll-down menu) and files on teachers nationwide they deem to be "too liberal." The homepage even includes an insult aimed the target audience --- a graphic of the "hear-no-evil, see-no-evil, speak-no-evil" monkeys, traditionally a representation of people who want to ignore reality.

Kaplan has not been content to simply recruit for members in our community; he has also used his platform to attack local politicians and activists who advocate for peace. Scott Kennedy, outgoing Santa Cruz mayor who signed the trailblazing City of Santa Cruz's proclamation against the Iraq War, is one person Kaplan targeted for attacks on his website. Referring to the Resource Center for Nonviolence and Kennedy, Kaplan writes,

"..the ultimate in gall is that Scott likes to invoke the teachings of non-violence and tolerance of Martin Luther King. Would that Dr. King was still alive, he'd probably abandon non-violence for a moment and chuck ol' Scott upside the head. ....It is high time the Santa Cruz community recognize the hypocrisy of a center that is really a mouthpiece for Arab anti-Semitism and violence against Jews in the Middle East. Scott is an elected City Councilman there. When his term is up, I'm sure the majority of people who reside in Santa Cruz will turn him out. Perhaps this commentary can inform enough of them to do so."

With this veiled threat by Kaplan, one is left to wonder whether or not his remarks about Kennedy had any influence on his recent defeat in the City Council race.

The Dafka website, which roughly translated means, "In your face!" in Hebrew, has an editorial voice much like Kaplan's and Horowitz's other projects. They vociferously attack any organization or individual that dares question the United States' and Israel's policies. Kaplan and Horowitz prefer to use semantic attacks against those they seek to silence with meaningless phrases meant to squelch all forms of discussion. An example of such a phrase is "stand with Israel." Although the phrase conjures up a strong images of loyalty, what does it really mean? It insinuates, much like the phrase "support our troops," that if someone doesn't go along with what the author is advocating, then he somehow does not "stand with Israel," or does not "support our troops." Whenever someone challenges something Kaplan or Horowitz says, their stock reply is "Anti-Semitism!" This couldn't be more ridiculous since they save their most vicious attacks for other Jews involved in the peace process and for Arabs, who are also by definition a Semitic people.

Lee Kaplan, like anyone else, has his right to free speech. What seems to be less clear, especially in the way Community Television is run, is how people are accountable for what they broadcast. As it stands now, only a producer can allow people access to past episodes of Club Cruz. One has to question if that makes an entity responsible for the content of their broadcasts, especially when, in the case of former mayor Scott Kennedy, Club Cruz broadcasts occur during City Council meetings.

Clearly, Lee Kaplan and his associates have an agenda: attack and discredit any entity that might lead to a slowing of money flowing into Israel. Judging by their slick websites and the many public relations experts employed, it is also a well-funded one. When community budgets are being slashed and local resources are drying up, how fair is it to allow a non-Santa Cruz County resident to broadcast his infomercials for free at the community's expense? Under the current structure of Community T.V., Becky Johnson, producer of Club Cruz, is the only person accountable to the public for the content of the show. She is listed under Dafka's website as a member and UCSC coordinator for Dafka; her email is listed as becky_johnson@sbcglobal.net. An alternative email address she listed on the Santa Cruz Indymedia site is becky_johnson222@hotmail.com.

In many of the websites associated with Kaplan, supporters are urged to inundate public officials, regulatory agencies and the media with their messages. Perhaps all those people Kaplan has been attacking really do have something to learn from him.

BUT THOSE ARE RIGHT WING SITES WRITES: "as you tried to pass her off as a neutral party..."

BECKY: I did no such thing. I briefly introduced her as "someone who has spent time on the West Bank" and "know more than ...I do."

BTW, I have not written for any of those sites you listed. So on what basis are you casting my entire political career, philosophy, and social bent as a "right-wing conservative?"

Perhaps Hex could be helpful (instead of just trying to cause trouble) and post some ACTUAL links to other Michelle Nevada articles? Just a thought.

Finally, Hex has, despite his own research, undoubtedly, claimed that I merely cut and paste many of my posts. Why don't you provide a few dozen links? Or maybe one?

While I do, on occasion, cut and paste a relevant section for my posts, I try to give credit to the author or source, and if I have time, provide the link as well.

Hex, wouldn't you say, that in examining the vast majority of posts, that they are individually composed specifically for that thread and dialogue?

Enquiring minds want to know!

> casting my entire political career


I'm not - other's are




> post some ACTUAL links to other Michelle Nevada articles? Just a thought.


actually I specifically excluded the actual links by truncating them - intentionally to not draw attention and readers to her or the websites she's on




> I merely cut and paste many of my posts. Why don't you provide a few dozen links? Or maybe one?


again for the same reasons - I make notes of when I see the same words/phrases/paragraphs but don't bother to bookmark them for any further uses for the same reason as above

the actual material doesn't deserve any further attention or effort - it get's too much on here as-is

the main problem is that you re-post the same material over & over, then secondary to that keywords and phrases generate hits on websites like the list above *often*


much more often than you're admitting here...

later I might give some examples but I'm occupied right now with a couple of things..

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/184870_comment.php#185658
OUTSTANDING!!!!

-However, an extensive and exhaustive search yielded no information that could confirm Kaplan's location, background, education, research and type of business. In addition, there no evidence was found that he had been published in print, as he insinuated. -

-What Does All of This Mean?

On a website found in Dafka's Links section, Bernard Shapiro, head of the "Freeman Center for Strategic Studies," describes a scheme for a worldwide public relations campaign with the ultimate aim of protecting the over six billion dollars Israel annually receives from the United States. -
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THANK YOU!
nice.

Oh! OK, then I'm sure you won't bother to refute these "direct experiences" (you know, like the ones Michelle had) in Palestine:
Palestine Diaries:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5904.shtml

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5898.shtml
Live from the refugee camp:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5870.shtml


General stats:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/General_Stat.htm

With these poverty stats:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/Closures_stat.htm

and just these forced home/business demolitions/attacks:
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/House_demolitions_stat.htm

Luckily, families and friends will take ea other in--in many cases. Sleeping outdoors is not a measure of homelessness...
#

The Gaza strip has 8 refugee camps housing some 400.000 people which is about half the refugee population in the strip. The camps in Gaza are amongst the most densely populated areas in the world (in average there are 356.5 m2 per inhabitant in Gaza. In comparison every inhabitant in Ramallah has 3,978.1 m2, Jerusalem: 1,029.4 m2, Nablus: 3,244.3 m2, Jenin: 2,846.8 m2).
#

The biggest and most densely populated Palestinian refugee camp in the world is Jabaliya in the outskirts of Gaza City. 90.000 people live in an area of 3 km2.

well a minor retraction... only for accuracy

trying to make a mountain out of a molehill again I see :)

and you called *me* troublemaker ?

why not just say what the retraction was ? that no one actually said dafka when the threat was made

boy that's some big deal !

So many times it is shameful
(especially for a "journalist"..LOL!)
And Becky, you work with nuts like this and defend him.
How embarrassing
There is a whole site dedicated to his lunacy:
http://kaplanwatch.blogspot.com/

INCREDIBLE WRITES: "In addition, there (sic) no evidence was found that he had been published in print, as he insinuated."

BECKY: So the TRUSTED writer (with the pseudonym) can't find any evidence of Kaplan as having had any articles published? How about these. They are Lee Kaplan's last TEN articles from the (arch right-wing) website, Frontpage:

from: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Authors.asp

Lee Kaplan's last 10 articles

# The ISM-Terror Connection (9/13/2006)
# The Al Awda Conference at San Francisco State University (8/9/2006)
# Understanding the International Solidarity Movement (7/14/2006)
# SFSU Hosts a War on the Jews (6/16/2006)
# The Falcon and the Terrorist (5/18/2006)
# Islamism's Legal Manipulations (5/9/2006)
# Funding Anarchism as “Performance Art” (4/18/2006)
# The New Anti-Semitism at Ramapo College (3/28/2006)
# The Divestment Conference at Georgetown (3/17/2006)
# The Divestment Conference at Georgetown (Continued) (3/17/2006)

Let me introduce you to Alison Weir, the ultimate drama queen who has catipulted two trips to the disputed territories into a career. Alison, after getted her ass handed to her in a sling by very well read well prepared students at Sonoma State, asked for a police escort to her car. She wasquaking in fear that more people would follow her to her car ASKING HARD QUESTIONS!

Her next talk at UCB featured Nation of Islam security guards.

that was stated at least a year ago - these dates are all recent - this year

and that rag frontpage mag

does that even count as "published" ?

to me it doesn't...

Though Kaplan didn't directly call for violence in the episodes, a little fact checking showed that groups he is associated with have been busy hijacking and illegally intruding on peaceful meetings, harassing peace activists and making at least one death threat.

Like the people?

(Describes an incident last month at the Jewish Community Center)

The auditorium would have fit a much larger crowd. But there were plenty of people there..... most of us in our thirties or older. Plus some people who look intense. Or just tense.

Security is tight but transparently variable. ...
Then the consul, who has only been back for 48 hours, comes on stage.

His talk is punctuated a various points with disruptive action by disagreeable people.

Disruption one: Three women chanting loudly about occupation and holding a Jews for a Free Palestine banner stand up in the audience, ten minutes after the consul had started talking. Boos, hisses, loud yells in Russian-accented English. Plainclothes and a rabbi finally pursuaded them to leave.
They were very strident.

Disruption two: Large hairy monster female stands up and starts yelling. There is vituperation. By this time the SFPD on hand, and she is 'pursuaded' out. Her incomprehensible exclamations echo down the side passage into the unknown, and muffle as a door closes.

Disruption three: Agent-provocatrice filming the disruptions, and her goonish male companion, are pointed out, confronted, told to get out. With sneers and gloats, they evaporate.

Disruption four: A man and a woman stand up and loudly declare that they are Jews and 'as Jews bla bla bla'. Loud long confrontation, followed by the police escorting them out.

Disruption five: Indignant blonde (?) proves herself a member of the troll contingent. Out.

Disruption six: Person of indeterminate gender stands up, becomes a wherewolf, and is escorted out by the cops.

fROM THE BLOG OF : atthebackofthehill

laughing too hard-

-Large hairy monster female stands up-

AGGGGgggbg p''''''f
,

As what? The rag you get your stuff from ? In that case, no.

> appeared on radio and television

again on the AIR or that local community cable feed ?



> Check this out then: frontpagemag.com


no thanks


all this tells me is horowitz is so desperate for shills he'll even use Lee - extensively - to fill the void




> Canada Free Press and for the Israel National News.

yes those sites... on the keeper list


I could do the same thing - "publish" on even my own website or my hosts's website then say I'm "publishing"


as to what websites count as publishing there's 2 levels to this question

a.) Will was refering to actual brick & mortar physical paper publishing not websites

b.) just as air broadcasting has a different meaning than closed circuit and bitcast feeds


again I can belch and actually broadcast on the actual air - Lee or you cannot do this - he never has and you've been stripped of this ability due your "politics" to put it mildly



most of what claims you're making for him are by your own efforts - trying to puff him up as much as possible

I've seen what he's done with the domains and in my book he's a terrorist and little else






> Being accused of having committed a felony

it's hearesay and nothing more - it only becomes a crime if the person making the affirmation is proven to have acted in bad faith and the authorities act upon it resulting in outcomes that are damaging to the accused


and then it's only a civil matter of the recovery of damages

there are several problems with this course of action

a.) no real person to attach the affirmation to
b.) no actions resulting from it
c.) no damages that can be claimed in a concrete manner
d.) no determination of what a recovery would constitute
e.) it's up to the "victim" to make the claim - you have no standing





Will Wallace has more credibility than you or Lee will ever have - try to accept that as no amount of complaining or whining is going to change it

It's as much of what Will *hasn't* done (like hijack domains for example) as it is for what he has.

you and Lee have major skeletons that will always haunt you no matter what you say or do

Becky: "I try to give credit to the author or source."

Oh really? So where'd you get this Goebbelsian graphic, Becky?

And what about all your other Arab-dehumanizing favorites?

"[Alison Weir] was quaking in fear that more people would follow her to her car ASKING HARD QUESTIONS!"

No, Alison Weir was in completely justified fear for her physical safety. Get a bunch of zionist political maniacs together in a big pack and get them all whipped up by the presence of one of their hate fetishes like Alison Weir and they're at their most dangerous, which is to say extremely. They've been killing and horribly maiming people just like Alison for decades, even before Irgun and Lehi.

The above picture is of Robert Faurisson, a 60 YO man beset by three young Betar goons as he was walking his dog near his home. Two of them pinned him to the ground while the third smashed into his face with a metal bar. His upper and lower jaws are both smashed into pieces.

The zionists' most defining attribute is the incredible intensity of their hatred, which has to be experienced to be believed. It's really terrifying. It becomes viscerally clear that back behind their politically adept masks they're quite insane and capable of A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G -- just in case Israel hadn't already filled you in.

Here it is

Could you provide some verification on the picture Becky keeps posting over and over again with the gun carrying ISM members which in itself merely shows these people holding rifles? I have rifles. They are sometimes loaded and I hold them. I wouldn't pose with them. Camera shy, you understand,
It is like the other photos Becky keeps showing all the time. They don't really prove anything because they aren't sourced to primary sourced independent articles. They are staged in un-landmarked locations or strange interpretations are inferred to deliberately mislead.
I have always viewed Ms. BJ as a Bush Admirer like troll for the israeli lobby who provides ample fodder for huge amounts of BW loading propaganda.

> I'm sure Lee HAS been published IN PRINT


Will specified print and you've been cited for this twice now on here alone


speaking of attempting to misinform that's exactly what the mainstay of your tactics are


the cherry picked shills passed off as neutral parties, the uncredited IDF propaganda pictures passed off as unbiased news sources, the unvarified ISM picture repeatedly pasted simply to mould perceptions and to elevate your hero Lee's dirty tricks as something positive


I'm surprised you haven't posted the domain listings he's hijacked


Lee has no cause and you have no standing yet here you are attempting to make legal threats - to intimidate and stifle information you can't live with or lie about - even trying to imply legal consultation and action which is - as TW would say - horseshit

"Also, any asshole can publish online. Anybody could post an article on this newswire, for example, and then claim to be a "published journalist," and many have. Even when online forums are mediated by professional editors and strict editorial standards, the bar is much lower because 1) the cost of publication is nil compared to print 2) space limitations are nonexistent. Being published in print is still the best way to seperate the men from the boys in journalism "


"Also, any asshole can publish online"
Hmmm. Wendy Campbell certainly springs to mind.

And yet, i am sure you will continue to ignore cited books and scholarly journals in favor of Hal Turner, Rense, and whitespeech.

Interesting observation:

The point of this pointless exericise was to prove how closely Becky works with Lee, and to demonize her because of it. And yet this entire threads proves quite the opposite. Its obvious that they do not work closely together, or Becky would know his publication status.

Don't know much about Lee Kaplan.
I suspect if people hate him as much as they do, it indicates he is effective.
I've meet Becky. I've read her writings, too. I'm willing to bet she's a more genuine "progressive" than you.
I suspect you wouldn't recognize a real progressive if it bit you on the leg

We should stick to politics, rather than character assassination, though. This is just trash talk. Not fair to teh overworked editors.

See, Weir doesn't WORK with and BELONG to the same organization, whereas Becky Johnson and Lee Kaplan BOTH are DAFKA members...
Quite different indeed.

BECKY: So the monitors came thru and hid ALL my articles (along with Tia) and left every foul-mouthed, slandering, anti-semite and Israel-basher up. Shows the mind of the monitor. Screw the editorial guidelines! Fuck Israel and the Jews!

But even more disturbing is that the following article (of which I ONLY have c & p'd the header, IS STILL UP!
So there ARE no journalistic standards here?

An article that the author himself has ALREADY ISSUED A REFUTATION for the ONLY serious charges remains up as news?

Again I repeat. It is libel. LA.IMC is legally libel for purposely posting libel, for ignoring evidence that it is libel.
And for refusing to take it down once the editors have been informed that the article is libel.

You are doing a disservice to LA Indymedia in particular
and to journalism in general. I have informed Lee Kaplan personally about this. And will refer it to the Dafka membership as well for action.



The difference being that Weir doesn't work with Duke, of course
by Ah, yes--the lying by insinuation Sunday, Oct. 29, 2006 at 6:29 PM

Lee Kaplan, Dafka Exposed

By Will Wallace

it's the readers that have flagged your posts to hidden (though not me)


Lee has no cause and you have no standing



> refer it to the Dafka membership as well for action.


oooh sounds scary

Well it is Halloween after all :)

If Lee had no cause, there would not be whole websites designed to discredit him. Clearly he is effective. Clearly he is regarded as a threat. If he were a harmless crackpot, like Hex/Sheepdog or TW, he'd just be ignored.

Why are you putting in so much effort to discredit him? Its fear, isn't it?

I don't need to discredit him - he discredits himself

I find dirt on his activities and post it - the domain hijacking, the cover-ups, the fake "news" - this is in addition to what other's have found on him

he's only done what he has with ISM using dirty tricks on the edge of illegal - actually what he did IS now illegal..

then Becky get's on here and whines about an anonymous article which retracted the statement that the person who made the death threat said they were "with" dafka - which could mean anything - like they visit the site, are a member, etc

then she's going to "report to these handful of dafka nuts for "action" - the exact same type of threat the article mentioned to begin with

what a laugh - if you guys didn't take yourselves so seriously you wouldn't be the laughing stock of other zionist organizations

yes I do know about that too :)

This practice is called "reverse domain hijacking" and is also punishable by a penalty of up to $ 100,000. for each violation under U.S. law.

The term is derived from "squatting", which is the act of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied space or building that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have permission to use.

Some countries have specific laws against cybersquatting beyond the normal rules of trademark law. The United States, for example, has the U.S. Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (ACPA) of 1999.


According to the U.S. federal law known as the Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, cybersquatting is registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with *bad-faith intent*.


Lee _definitely_ has BAD FAITH INTENT - the ISM could sue his ass




> Dafka left a death threat

what was that about twisting ?

Reposting hte same thing over and over is SPAM. Reposting the same thing over and over, when it has already been torn to bits- when the author already published a retraction- is just plain stupid

> This _article was retracted_ by the author

no - a small detail was clairified - dafka couldn't be directly connected to the death threat so he said so in an *update* to the article..

the article says FAR more than that, which is why you want it -

"torn to bits" - has the same ring and emotional impact as the 'ol favorite "we will destroy you"

So here we have a thread where all the relevant material was deleted, and off topic crap -Lee Kaplan, olive trees, homelessness- was left in.
Here, after being admonished that it is spam for a Zionist to re-publish text that has already been hidden (and incidently, the Zionist agreed not to), we have an anti- Zionist - wait for the punch line- publishing spam that has already been hidden.
So clearly the "rules" are only a way to limit the rights of anti-Zionists to participate in open publishing.
So, fuck it. I'll do what I want to do, and what I need to do. Its ridiculous top have a set of rules only for Zionists.

You posted things hidden on other threads, as if that 'didn't count', so you never ahdered to your statment/commitment anyway...
You are a bigoted troll and we now know who you are.
If, right here and now I was to say, "You are just like all the other Jews, attributing a charachteristic of dishonesty to all Jews" I would be the same as you. But it's OK when you do it, huh? Because you are right and it's different when talking about Muslims or Arabs, isn't it?

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

"There is no will wallace"

so its a forgery, in addition to lies and libel?

No surprises there.

You want to "talk" about me, you can find a differnet format than Indymedia. Do you want to comment on my new haircut? My latest projects? Set up a website. Don't further trash Indymedia. This ain't about me, sweetheart.

You are a supremist, and should be treated as such.
Sorry, hunee, but just like David Duke, your opinions don't count here anymore.

1. You lie (by insinuation) about Allison Weir. She doesn't work with Duke in any way. Because he can twist her words (critical of Israel) and use it for his own supremist ends, proves nothing. Unlike your bloved nutjob Kaplan, who DOES work with Becky Johnson, the so-called "journalist" (read: spamming propagandist for israel)

Now, what do you have to say about these bigoted comments?

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

> So, fuck it. I'll do what I want to do


another jewel :)



> Don't further trash Indymedia. This ain't about me, sweetheart.

it's not FOR you either - you have your indymediaWATCH blog

post your crap there..

you've come full circle - tried to take a moral high ground, made "promises" to not be a troll/spammer, whined about your Zionist crap being hidden, whined about being "blocked" but failed to present any evidence - and - YOU'RE STILL HERE - , then tossed everything good, high & mighty you tried to use against us out the window, then used your bunny-out-of-the-blue and movies you watch when no one asked about them, then faulted me for only replying to questions about myself in the same context - only when asked - and now you're back to a simple spamming troll "doing what she wants"

the many faceted sparkling spender of Tia as a polished diamond turns out to be a cheap common dull rhinestone made of plastic

You can point the finger, but here's some quotes pointing right back atchya, racist zio nazi:
Now, what do you have to say about these bigoted comments?

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

> my bunny is a much more attractive pet than your rangy old rooster

we have a bunny too :)


4 BlueJays, 2 Robins, a Starling and a bunch of Pigeons


so you'd rather be known as "ol ironsides" :)

the "forces of truth", sounds ultra-patriotic

and your website sucks too

I don't have a website.

But we've come to expect this. That is why they have no credibility except amongst themselves...
You can point the finger, but here's some quotes pointing right back atchya, racist zio nazi:
Now, what do you have to say about these bigoted comments?

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

> Stop trashing IMC with this spam.

good advice - but wait !

> "fuck it. I'll do what I want"


hmmmmmm, one set of rules for you - another set for everyone else


great minds think about ideas
average minds think about events
small minds think about other people

tap-tap-tap^ - _but what about *them*_? - ^tap-tap-tap

a dull plastic rhinestone or rusty old nail - either will do :)

A rusty old nail...

"for the want of a nail, a horseshoe was lost...."
A nail can stop a car dead in its tracks.
A nail can stop a person dead in their tracks, too.

I'm fine with that analogy. It works for me. Thanks.

quote:
------------------
Its ridiculous to have a set of rules only for Zionists.
- Tia ------------------

The deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return"is only available to "chosen ones" - not available to non-Jews who were born in Palestine.

It's ridiculous and racist and disgusting and immoral to have a set of rules only for Zionists, Tia.

"It's ridiculous and racist and disgusting and immoral to have a set of rules only for Zionists, Tia."

You don't need to be a Zionist to live in Israel- look at Illan Pappe. You don't need to be Jewish to live in Israel either. 20 % of the population of Israel is not Jewish. If a nono-Jew wants to move to Israel, then just need to apply. Every nation has immigration laws.

Have you looked atthe policies of Israel's neighbors?
You can't even visit Saudi Arabia if you are Jewish. The Jordanian constitution forbids Jews from ever becoming citizens.
Are these policies racist? I haven't herad anyone condemn them.

Again with the attempt to make zionism = Jews.
Disgusting.

======= You don't need to be a Zionist to live in Israel ==== RIGHT TO RETURN for PALESTINIANS RIGHT TO RETURN for PALESTINIANS Learn to read and comprehend. AUTOMATIC deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return" for "chosen ones" - even "chosen ones" born in Brooklyn! Baruch Goldstein - birthright to return!!! JEWS ONLY "BIRTHRIGHT" - FACT (se us-israel.org for clarification) ----------------- Its ridiculous to have a set of rules ONLY for Zionists. - Tia ----------------- BIRTHRIGHT TO RETURN for PALESTINIANS - NOW, Tia.

Again with the attempt to make zionism = Jews.
Disgusting.

"Gods Mittens made this claim "It's ridiculous and racist and disgusting and immoral to have a set of rules only for Zionists, Tia."

My response: You don't need to be a Zionist to live in Israel- look at Illan Pappe. You don't need to be Jewish to live in Israel either.

I am making a specific distinction between Zionist and Jewish. The most vehement critics of the Israeli government are, not surprising , other Israelis. Try and keep up, dear.

I suppose it would help to come up with a good working definition of Zionist. If you've ever read Spinoza, he likes to define his terms to make sure everyone is on the same page.
Can you accept that a Zionist believes in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their ancient homeland?

Right of Return of Palestinians to where? To the West Bank and Gaza? Be my guest. If they want to live in Israel proper, they can apply for citizenship.
And how are you defining Palestinians? The UN defines a Palestinian refugee as inherited status . If you had a family member who moved to Israel just 2 years before statehood, they are a "refugee" (it has nothing to do with "indigenous status"). Furthermore, their children, their children's children, etc, are also refugees. I've seen 4th generation Americans- real Valley girls- identify themselves as refugees. Do you know what 4th generation Ameicans who are refugees from Castro's Cuba call themselves? They call themselves Americans.
A survey a few years back, taken by a Palestinian found that only 10 % of Palestinians were interested in "returning" to Israel. Can you blame them- why would they want to move to an "apartheid state"? Why would they want to move somewhere there are breweries and unveiled women and commercial televison?

You didn't answer my question about the immigration policies of other nations in the mid-east. Are they fair? Or are they racist?

Why would they want to move somewhere there are breweries and unveiled women and commercial televison?


Maybe because THEY WANT breweries and unveiled women and commercial televison. Fundamentalism just isn't any FUN.

The invasion of zionists didn't want to apply for citizenship.
They just stated to slaughter the natives after the land buy out faltered.

once he finds his way through the maze

SO they can apply to be in their own stolen land ?

how charming :)

isn't that why the israelis always are so intent to destroy the records?

'Can you accept that a Zionist believes in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their ancient homeland? '

Yeah, sure. But the definition of zionist is not a Jew,
Jews practice Judaism, zionists practice genocide.
A homeland built on the mass graves of the native population. That's zionism and the constant frantic conflation of zionists being Jews. Without this contrived association of false relationship, zionists would stand naked with their aggression. This is why the hysterical laminations of being Jewish when they are the worst enemies of the Jews. Zionists made money off of the death camps they sacrificed their fellow Jews to in order to cooperate with the nazis.

It's genocide even if you can't stop them from 'breeding like rats'
Look it up.

Why does criticism of zionism make someone 'anti-semtic'?
Just wondering.

The poster said 'genocide' being done in the name of zionism. How does that make them anti-semitic?

gen‧o‧cide  /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/
–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Sorry. Not applicable.

BTW, Jordan killed 10,000 Palestinians in ONE month.
Was that genocide by your definition?
That is over twice as many that have died in the 6 years of the intifada.

oh really?
-Genocide is a term defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."-

Even if they resist, and 'breed like rats', it's GENOCIDE.

What the zionists have is a pogrom with tanks, artillery, jet fighters and attack helicopters against a people without an army.
Oh yeah they have katushas. Bite me.

And it applies to the zionist POGROM against the native Palestinians.

Pogrom (from Russian: ??????; from "???????" IPA: [gr??mit?]- to wreak havoc, to demolish violently) is a form of riot directed against a particular group, whether ethnic, religious or other, and characterized by destruction of their homes, businesses and religious centers. Usually pogroms are accompanied with physical violence against the targeted people and even murder or massacre. The term has historically been used to denote extensive violence, either spontaneous or premeditated, against Jews, but has been applied to similar incidents against other, mostly minority, groups.

Just substitute Palestinian for Jew. It is exact. This word, like GENOCIDE is another raw nerve that fits your ideology like a wet glove. Wet with blood.

The ??? is in a Cyrillic and it still applies to the POGROM against the natives of Palestine perpetrated by the zionist leadership and unfortunately most of the israeli 'citizens' as they are view upon as vermin.
You WILL reap what you sow. Then you'll wail and shriek and mewl as karma finds its center.

From dictionary.com:

"Pogrom: An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group"

Wow, it fits what the zionists are doing to the Palestinians PERFECT!!!

Of course, thuh Yidiot wants this to be one of those maudlin tragedy-evoking words that can **ONLY** be used BY Jews when telling yowling slobbering tales of their "unique" pain, accompanied by thousands of violins. Just like 'genocide,' 'suffering,' 'victimhood'...

really sick of zionist shit
by zionist shit Tuesday, Nov. 07, 2006 at 3:44 PM

oh really?
-Genocide is a term defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part....
`

So that means the Hamas and the Palestinians are engaging in a program of genocide AGAINST the Israelis.

Nasrallah and Hizbollah already admited it

"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Lebanon Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)"

looking for the language of victimization- look no futher than THIS thread

The TERRIBLE IMBALANCE of power between the Israelis and Palestinians makes it impossible for Israel, regardless of which government is in power, to deal with the Palestinians in any way except through a LENS OF ASSUMED MORAL CULTURAL AND RACIAL SUPERIORITY, as though military prowess equates with civilization and HOME MADE ROCKETS equate with SAVAGERYand a SUBHUMAN STATUS.

The SAVAGERY, though, belongs to Israel and to anyone who has the power to stop a BULLY in his BLOODY PUMMELING of a much weaker opponent but instead stands aside......


My goodness! If I wrote that about the Palestinians, Toady would have pointed it out 17 times already! Who is playing the victim in this post ? In fact, who is giving an academy award winning performance of the victim here?

TW try this

"....Palestinians when telling yowling slobbering tales of their "unique" pain, accompanied by thousands of violins. Just like 'genocide,' 'suffering,' 'victimhood'..."

The only yowling and slobbering is coming loud and clear from YOUR side.

guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

What if we replaced these same quotes with, "Jewish" and "Israeli" (respectively)
???

As a spammer who has filled two entire IMCS with unspeakably disgusting porn, what gives you the right to be the morality police?

You want to discuss this, stop being so chicken shit anonymous and meet me somewhere. Name the time and place. Lets see some huevos from you for once.

Got that pretty simple. And I've already made myself clear, didn't post porn. I'm not enough a fanatic that I would take the time out of my extremely busy schedule to "meet" you somehwere to "discuss" you obsession with propagandizing for israel, Tia. You truly would not be worth the time. You have proven yourself to be a hypocrite, a bigot, and a fanatic. I call you on the bigotry, you avoid/deflect, and alas, have a meltdown, squealing about "meeting" me--

guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

What if we replaced these same quotes with, "Jewish" and "Israeli" (respectively)

You see, this is like the little thing about zionists being unable to admit any wrong. It's the process of opening the door to an ocean of malevolent evil as once the barrier of denial is cracked open even the slightest bit, it would lead to a real self appraisal of their inherent racism and hate. Like a parent who molests and tortures the children. But is maintaining the facade of a wonderful parent despite the screams coming from the house, which is covered by loud classic music and a bright new coat of paint.
This is why 'she' can't answer you. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this pathology.

Just b/c you can find someone to back you up in a book, honey, doesn't prove anything except that you can find someone who is bigoted who wrote a book. I am surprised at the level of ignorance this kind of logic (or lack of) displays. I guess you've been surprising--and disappointing--quite a bit as of late. You appear to be decompensating, Tia. It is a sad sight to behold.

I'll continue to hold out hope for you, and ask you again, slowly: What if someone had attributed a trait/characteristic that most view in a negative light to an entire race or religion--like you did--except that religion happened to be Judaism. What would you call that Tia?


guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

We are all waiting to see if you can answer with something besides an ad hominem and/or deflective statement.

"doesn't prove anything except that you can find someone who is bigoted who wrote a book."

Shes Muslim, sweetheart.

She has a chapter in her book, "When did we stop thinking?"
Its at Berkeley Public. Read it. The whole thing.

I could say that she is a "self-hating" Muslim--that is the response everytime the multiple Jews who courageously speak out against Israeli terror are quote here--they are called 'self hating'

But once again, you fail to answer my question. What if someone said the same thing you said about Muslims and Palestinians--massive generalizations that attributed a negative characteristic to an entiere people--what if someone said those same things about Jews, Tia?

I'd say
"Welcome to Indymedia".
It happens every day here.

Bigotry?
So "he did it, too" is an excuse for racism now. Poor Tia.
On that note, I think I'll go to bed.
How sad.

Now you're just playing stupid.
When you generalize a negative attribute to an entire group of people, what is that called, Tia?

How many times have those pics been spammed?
You have no room to talk of spam or racism anymore. You have discredited yourself Tia.
You are not here for discussion (as you claim) but propagandizing--and your bigoted views have been exposed about Muslims and Arabs.

guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

We are all waiting to see if you can answer with something besides an ad hominem and/or deflective statement.

You obsession with me is clearly causing you a great deal of instability.
Does your wife know?
I'm afraid no matter how many times you dip my ponytails into the ink-well, you'll never be in my league. And of course, I mean that in the nicest way possible.

You still can't respond with anything besides ad hominems and deflections.

guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

We are all waiting to see if you can answer with something besides an ad hominem and/or deflective statement.

He's got to be doing this deliberately to prevent real discussions from taking place. Maybe he is trying to deflect attention away from the election results.
Maybe he is just a right wing shill. I suggest we ignore him.

But Tia, this thread was never about the election.
You use the words "Islamofascist" a very right wing term. It would seem that you have much more in common with the right wing shills.

And you still fail to address your bigotry--telling.

You will not live this down.

Denial is not river in Egypt, sweetie.
You can poing fingers back and try to deflect criticism (kind alike you do w/ your rabid defense of all things israel) but it doesn't eliminate the facts:

1. You've made racist comments, and then tried to justify them by, essentially saying, "but they are true" (toal denial)

2. You spam pictures and screeds over and over (even after they've been hidden, and you've said you wouldn't repost hidden articles-another lie) see the picture on this page for one in a long list of examples.

You have zero credibility now. You are in no position to call anyone on "spamming"--as you are a trolling spam artist.

You have been revealed as a bigoted supremist.

You still can't respond with anything besides ad hominems and deflections.

guess there's no defending the indefensible. You've been exposed.

Tia's quote, "in the time-honored Islamic tradition of avoiding the consequences of their actions"

Tia's quote, "Well Mr. PrionParty, why do I think you might actually be Palestinian? It isn't just the lies you tell- its the obsessive way you tell them."

Those quotes speak for themselves.

Anything to say about these bigoted comments, Tia?

We are all waiting to see if you can answer with something besides an ad hominem and/or deflective statement.

"too chicken-shit cowardly "
Tsk. No Tia, if I wasted my time meeting up with every whacko racist on the internet....do you really think that you are that important?
See, the energy to cut and paste your racism and expose your in between doing other things, is minimal. That's simple.

And while you seem to have all this time to "meet me", you continue to fail to address it right here in the forum where, 1. You said those words. and, 2. Where I called you on it.
and, 3. Where Yidiot even recognized those kinds of generalizations are racist.

Are they only racist when said about the Jooos, Yidiot?

Or when Tia says them aobut Muslims, too?

I'll be checking back later to see how you slithered out of admitting your zionazi double standards and hypocrisy on this one...

It is telling that you see nothing racist in what Tia said, but when I said the EXACT same thing, but rplaced Islam with judaism, you took a hot 2 minutes to call me racist.; This is what we've come to expect from the right wing zionsit trolls here. Hypocrisy.

I bet someone would have liked to keep this a secret.
The zionist liars revealed as bigots

I bet someone would have liked to keep this a secret.
The zionist liars revealed as bigots

I bet someone would have liked to keep this a secret.
The zionist liars revealed as bigots

What "race" is Muslim"? And why are Muslim supremicist political positions considered "left wing?" Isn't seeking to re-establish an old, centralized authority basedo theocracy considered right wing?

who said that?
" And why are Muslim supremicist political positions considered "left wing?"
you did. Just now.
Quit making things up.
The vast majority of the Moslem world is moderate and wants * secular* democratic governance.
Radicalism is the product of empire.