I'm pretty sure no one was as unsurprised as I was when two Fox news employees were kidnapped in Gaza 10 days ago, 'coincidentally' right after the Israeli-Hizb'allah 'ceasefire'. Israel and America's dog and pony terror show must go on after all, and 'ceasefire' is a dangerous word when your goal is perpetual war. Use the word "ceasefire", and before you can say "nuke Iran" the damn bleeding heart pinko commies are talking about "Middle East peace".

In order to secure American and Israeli interests therefore, and to stay the hysterical peacemongering of such liberal types (one and the same thing), there's nothing quite like a well-timed abduction of Western citizens to reaffirm the irrefutable 'fact' that all Arabs "hate us because of our freedoms".

And so it was that the Fox News van of Cameraman Olaf Wiig, from New Zealand, and correspondent Steve Centanni, an American, was stopped at gun point by 'Arab terrorists' in Gaza on August 14th and the two men whisked away to an unknown location.

Nothing was heard from the men or their captors until yesterday when my unsurpise reached new and dizzying heights as a "previously unknown group" calling itself "Holy Jihad Brigades" released a video of the two men and made their demands.

Now I know what you are thinking: just where did this "holy Jihad brigades" come from? Well, they are the same outfit as "al-Qaeda in Iraq", "al-Qaeda in the UK" "al-Qaeda in Spain" "the al-Qaeda group for Jihad in Europe", "the Jihad Brigades of holiness" "the holy Brigades of Jihadiness" "the holy moly brigades of Islamic Islaminess", "the al-Qaeda group for holy hullabaloo in America" "the Palestinian Jihadi group for Holy Jihad in Jihadilandia" and of course, who could forget "Allah's Holy shi'ite Islamic army of Mohammed for Holy Islamic Jihad against the unholy infidel pigs."

In short, they don't exist, except in the twisted imaginations of Israeli, American and British intelligence agents.

In keeping with the idea that this particular Palestinan group does not actually exist, Hamas, Abbas and every other known Palestinan grouping denied any involvement and indeed condemned the kidnapping, with Haled Abu Hilal, Hamas interior ministry spokesman saying "this is not acceptable at all" and stating that Hamas security officials have put police across Gaza on alert and set up roadblocks to find the gunmen and free the reporters. Sadly, to no avail.

Furthermore, it is generally agreed that the type of language used in the statement by the kidnappers and their references to the Quran differed from the usually terse demands issued by other Palestinian groups and was more similar to those of al-Qaida and Jihadist Web sites.

So exactly what are these would-be Palestinans militants demanding? In their own words:

"We demand the release of the Muslim prisoners, males and females, in the prisons of America, in exchange of our prisoners. We will give you 72 hours starting noon today to look into this, and if you meet our demands, we will deliver on our promise, otherwise, wait and see, and we will wait with you until the order comes from God."

A point to note: When masquerading as Arab terrorists and staging the kidnap of Western citizens, it is essential to make demands that are very vague and more or less impossible to meet. For example, you could demand that America release all Muslims prisoners from its jails. The logic, of course, is that by making such demands you ensure that the only possible outcome is that you are 'forced' kill the captives (ideally in a gruesome way) when your impossible demands are not met and as a result, the further demonization of legitimate Arab resistance groups as crazed bloodthirsty terrorists is assured.

Of course, you are now thinking to yourself, well, ok, so it is pretty clear that such abductions play directly into the hands of the American and Israeli government's agenda to portray Arabs as evil terrorists in the minds of Western peoples, but if we are not dealing with any real Palestinan or Arab group, then who are we dealing with? Then you think about it for another second and conclude that, ok, so it is very likely that the kidnappers are working for the Israeli internal intelligence agency - Shabak - (which would explain why the Fox employees cannot be found in tiny Gaza), but the question remains as to how exactly agents of the state of Israel are able to successfully pass themselves off as Arabs.

I will let Rima Merriman, a Palestinian American author living in the Palestinian town of Ramallah explain:

"With a cadre of well-trained, Arabic-speaking Israeli informants who are indistinguishable physically from the Palestinian population, Shabak has little problem gathering intelligence on a people whose every movement is regulated by hundreds of check points and by total Israeli control on their borders. These infiltrators prey on Arab innate hospitality and friendliness. The Palestinians call them "musta'ribeen", i.e., "those who appear to be Arabs". Palestinians are not surprised when someone, somewhere comes up to them and says: Got you!"

Fox News reporters on the other hand, never ones to sincerely attempt to understand or report the brutal nature of the reality of life in Israeli-occupied Palestine, tend to be a little more surprised when such brutality is visited upon them.

it's a fact that it wouldn't be the first time or the last time a heretofore unknown group that does something like this to blame them arabs has been an Israeli black operation.

In the past year, name one and prove it. Nessie thinks EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

why the narrow time slot?

Discovery is usually years after the deed.

Nice try though.

Typical anti-zionist response, no real response. If I left the time open, the usual anti-zionist tactic is to cite to some charecter from fifty years agothat no one has ever heard of and some tall tale gleaned from the Comintern's archives of deception.

I think USraeli spooks and their collaborators in Iraq have been doing this sort of thing BIG TIME. The whole Nick Berg episode, for example, stank of black ops to high heaven. It seems likely that a lot of the Sunni/Shi'ite intramural "terrorism," e.g. the huge horrible mosque bombing, is in fact Western black ops designed to set these two groups at each others' throats and thus sap their ability to fight the Real Enemy: the alien conquering hordes of an imperial invader. I hope the Iraqi resistance has a clue about this. I suspect it does. Being willful, I don't believe as I'm supposed to that all Arab men are knuckle-dragging hotheads.

And now the pattern of these ops is simply being expanded to a new front the aggressors are trying to open up: direct assaults by Israel on its neighbors, in the hope of pulling both Syria and Iran completely into the war between the West and the Islamic Middle East, which will in turn unite an entire geographic bloc of defiant societies (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) in a "holy war" against us. Since the Western architects of this WWIII (IV? V?) are stark-raving insane with hubris (as always), they confidently assume they will win absolutely and thus the anti-Western phenomenon in the ME will be crushed absolutely (like the Japanese were by WWII), resulting in a clean sweep of new Western colonies stretching from the Mediterranean on the west to India on the east in which all the former troublemakers will be groveling at our feet sniveling "please don't hurt us no more! We'll do ANYTHING..."

I think Vietnam was a Sunday stroll through the park compared to what this shit will turn into. We're talking 150 million people in five countries, all of whom are being handed each day, directly by us, a new reason to wholeheartedly hate our guts. Once this war really gets rocking, Pakistan (166 million people) and Egypt (78.9 million people) at minimum will become wildcards in which most of the people will hate us just as much and their governments might buckle to them out of 1) sympathy and 2) self-preservation. This is in addition to the enemies we'll be arousing all around the world, having finally pulled off the FDR mask and revealed our true Hitler face

Unite entire national populations behind hammer-hardened hatred of you, and you create an opponent that can NOT be defeated, at least not according to any rational (non-hubris-crazed) definition of 'defeated.' I don't care what kinda BOOM! BOOM! stick you *think* you got. Theirs is better. It's a magical force, immutable as physical law.

Western imperialist lunatics never seem to learn this lesson, no matter how many times it's offered or how vivid each tutorial. As their intellects relate to this lesson, they are simply totally batshit. You'd think they'd have learned from Vietnam, fer chrissake!! You'd think the Israelis would have learned from the Palestinians.

The total cost of all Israeli efforts over the past six decades to drive the Palestinians off their land long ago bankrupted any sane argument for doing so, and STILL the Palestinians are unbowed! And still the Israelis, insane with determination, keep digging their trenches and building their walls, more frantically now than ever.

The zionists' entire stake in this emerging World War is their most desperate costly monomaniacal strategem yet FOR DEFEATING THE PALESTINIANS!!

There's only one conclusion possible: their war against the rag-tag goatherd Palestinians has already been lost. They'll just never admit it. Instead they'll just get crazier and crazier in their desperation to deny it, and _STILL_THEY_WON'T_WIN_!!

What incredible magic weapon do the Palestinian paupers own? I already named it: hatred. Their hatred is their cosmic sword. The Israelis' hatred is a cosmic sword too, only it's come to rest on their own throats. It's not hatred per se that's the abomination here. It is possible -- despite the baggage of 1800 years of Christian brainwashing -- for hatred to be righteous and valiant. It's the metaphysics *behind* the two sides' hatreds that are of interest here. These shift in all-important ways going from one side to the other.

It seems that the Israelis aren't so Chosen after all.

Facts, by definition, can be proven. Ex cathedra statements by suspected perps are not proof. Neither are the blatherings of the talking head hacks on their their lap dog media. Neither are ad hominem attacks on those individuals who point out inconvenient truths.

In this particular case we have no evidence whatsoever that these guys were ever even abducted, let alone proof of who did it, if it actually was done. For all we know for certain, it's a ruse they are in on.

Given the long trail of incidents faked by agents of the Anglo-American-Israel Axis, we would be foolish to not investigate further. As the more facts come in, some people will. Others will believe what the "authorities" tell them. This is a fact. This always happens.

Before you take anyone at face value about anything that benifits the Anglo-American-Israel Axis, I recommend that you do your own research and draw your own conclusion. Take care to not analyse each incident in a vacuum, but to note that there is a long standing pattern of your trust being abused in this very way, about this very kind of thing. You have been lied to many times. In many cases, the truth has come out later. So consider not only how much of what you are being told today may or may not turn out to be true, but also how much of what you were told in the past later turned out to be false.

But either way, draw your own conclusion. Don't let other people draw your conclusions for you, especially people with a vested interest in your believing them, and not looking any deeper, especially when they employ logical fallacies to distract you. It's a dead give away that they almost certainly have something to hide. People with nothing to hide don't try to distract you, not with logical fallacies, not with anything. Au contrair. If anything, they try to help you focus.

Some individuals doth protest far too much...

We should never consider the possibility this was a black ops that could only benefit zionist israel.

You who spend virtually all your IMC time bending over backwards to attribute every evil under the sun to Israel with no proof whatsoever get off parroting that line...

Now don't shoot yourself in the rhetoric.

'with no proof whatsoever' is a standard tactic you never cease to employ.

Like the assumtion that all Palestinians the zionist israeli state murders or kidnaps is a ( or potential) terrorist.

Come on.

"who -me?" -- Cute wannabe.

We have yet to see even one bit of proof from you that the Israeli state murdered Palestnians. You've been told on so many occasions to put up or shut up in effect, yet you've never managed to do the former.

That's right, israel can never do any wrong.

I keep forgetting this point.

Thank you.

That's a strawman. It's not a refutation. It's a way to change the subject. Don't fall for it.

We should never consider the possibility this was a black ops that could only benefit zionist israel.

No we shouldn't. Not when Palestinains have confessed to the crime. Not when even Abbas acknowledges Palestinian responsibility

I'm sure after a bit of time being tortured as is usual practice documented by Human Rights Watch even you would confess.

I'd like to see a bit of hard evidence by independent sources, however...

Anyway go on w/o me for awhile.

Play w/ yourself until I return in a bit. I know how upset you get when I leave w/o notification.

I can't even begin to think of one person in the sane quarter here that's sorry when you leave unannounced.

Zionists love to sign other people's names. That's the kind of people they are, fundamentally dishonest. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's.

For more about "black propaganda," see:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1711536

Hey, brilliant guy, it clearly wasn't deliberate deception, everyone knows that your position is etched in stone no matter what happens. It's a joke, one that's supposed to be obvious, buddy.

Anti-Zionists love to sign other people's names. That's the kind of people they are, fundamentally dishonest. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Ehud Barak's name to, or Irgun's or the Haganah's.

For more about "black propaganda," see:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1711539

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:



http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

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Once again he demonstrates what fundamentally dishonest a person he is:



http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1962248

(snip)

Sometimes he takes something that a Zionist has written, subtly alters its meaning by changing a few words, and posts it under the name of the original author.

(snip)

If these guys were as smart as they think they are, they'd have come up with something new by now.

If this guy were as smart as he thinks he is, he'd have come up with something new by now.

they flood:

tell us more

who where what when.

that sort of thing.

Kidnapped Journalists Freed in Gaza

The Associated Press

Sunday 27 August 2006

from: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082706Y.shtml

" The journalists had been seized in Gaza City on Aug. 14 by a previously unknown group calling itself the Holy Jihad Brigades. However, senior Palestinian security officials said Sunday the name was a front for local militants, and that Palestinian authorities had known the identity of the kidnappers from the start.

Haniyeh also confirmed the kidnappers were from Gaza, squashing speculation that al-Qaida had directed the abduction. "The kidnappers have no link to al-Qaida or any other organization or faction," Haniyeh said. "Al-Qaida as an organization does not exist in the Gaza Strip."

In the past two years, Palestinian militants have seized more than two dozen foreigners, usually to settle personal scores, but released them unharmed within hours. The Fox journalists had been held longest.

It remained unclear whether the kidnappers had ties to Hamas or the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent offshoot of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement. A third group, the Popular Resistance Committees, claimed Sunday it had helped mediate the release of the journalists.

In chaotic Gaza, gunmen often change their affiliation or form splinter groups. Their agendas are often driven by personal issues, including jobs and power for their clans, rather than by ideology.

Haniyeh was evasive Sunday when asked whether he would try to arrest the kidnappers. Before Hamas ousted Fatah in March, it had frequently criticized the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority for cutting deals with kidnappers and letting them go without punishment."

BECKY: For Joe Quinn above in the lead article to be correct, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh was in on the conspiracy. Those crafty Israelis are real clever to convince Haniyeh to play along!!

Where are the hard facts?

Are there any? Aside from the usual posturing, I mean.