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Internal Strife at SOS – Part III

by Next Move Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 3:38 PM

Part 3. The fall of SS187.

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Recently an SOS member brought up the idea of flying an American flag upside down at the Hollywood March.


Since that is the universally recognized symbol of “my country is in distress” the poster felt that it would be an appropriate tactic given the prevailing opinion throughout SOS and the Minutemen that migrant workers have driven this country to distress. The idea was met with resistance.

Former member Rocco, who posted under the name SS187 on the SOS forum rebutted Chelene’s reactionary response stating “any American that truly does not understand what this means have not enough information to base their argument on.” The strange sentence structure notwithstanding, that was a direct attack on Nightengale.

Nightengale replied, “… I said no!!…organize your own event…and fly the flag upside down all you want!!” She went on to question even the thought that she could be accused of being wrong or even that another point of view might exist. She wrote: “I find this thread troublemaking and disrespectful by telling me and Ted [Hayes] we are wrong!! This is our march, we are organizing - final answer!!”

Apparently, it is out of the question for the rank-and-file members of SOS to even challenge the authority of their leaders. From a theoretical standpoint, this is all very ironic. Save Our State and the Minuteman Project portray themselves as Americans in the tradition of the original Minutemen. The funny thing is, the original Minutemen were anti-government and revolutionary. They opposed the monarchy and fought for the basic tenets of freedom on which the Declaration of Independence was based.

Fast forward 230 years and SOS and the Minutemen have become a pro-government group that smashes free speech and behaves in every conceivable way as anti-revolutionary.


All this excitement culminated with a thread by Rocco entitled, “SOS is a Sham”. In the thread, Rocco decried, “So, [what the fuck]? Who deleted these four posts, and why? I have a handful of guesses on who & why. Either way, it all comes down to SOS being a sham. Shame on sham'ful SOS.”

(Maybe Rocco gets the irony)

Turner denied deleting the posts stating, “I take personal offense to your suggestion that Save Our State is a sham organization. I have no idea what happened, as I was attending to some familial obligations (divorce proceedings?). Be that as it may, posts deleted in the lounge about a subject other than illegal immigration do not merit your accusations/insults.”

For what it’s worth moderators Don Silva and Drumsme7 also denied deleting Rocco’s posts. Apparently, nobody has admitted to the deletions.

So here ends the plight of Rocco. Purged from the group with no public explanation given. But for a group such as SOS that prides itself on top-down control and an intolerant attitude toward dissent, a purging of this nature is not surprising.

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Uhh... KR Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 7:23 PM
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