imc indymedia

Los Angeles Indymedia : Activist News

white themeblack themered themetheme help
About Us Contact Us Calendar Publish RSS
latest news
best of news




A-Infos Radio

Indymedia On Air

Dope-X-Resistance-LA List


IMC Network:

Original Cities africa: ambazonia canarias estrecho / madiaq kenya nigeria south africa canada: hamilton london, ontario maritimes montreal ontario ottawa quebec thunder bay vancouver victoria windsor winnipeg east asia: burma jakarta japan korea manila qc europe: abruzzo alacant andorra antwerpen armenia athens austria barcelona belarus belgium belgrade bristol brussels bulgaria calabria croatia cyprus emilia-romagna estrecho / madiaq euskal herria galiza germany grenoble hungary ireland istanbul italy la plana liege liguria lille linksunten lombardia london madrid malta marseille nantes napoli netherlands nice northern england norway oost-vlaanderen paris/Île-de-france patras piemonte poland portugal roma romania russia saint-petersburg scotland sverige switzerland thessaloniki torun toscana toulouse ukraine united kingdom valencia latin america: argentina bolivia chiapas chile chile sur cmi brasil colombia ecuador mexico peru puerto rico qollasuyu rosario santiago tijuana uruguay valparaiso venezuela venezuela oceania: adelaide aotearoa brisbane burma darwin jakarta manila melbourne perth qc sydney south asia: india mumbai united states: arizona arkansas asheville atlanta austin baltimore big muddy binghamton boston buffalo charlottesville chicago cleveland colorado columbus dc hawaii houston hudson mohawk kansas city la madison maine miami michigan milwaukee minneapolis/st. paul new hampshire new jersey new mexico new orleans north carolina north texas nyc oklahoma philadelphia pittsburgh portland richmond rochester rogue valley saint louis san diego san francisco san francisco bay area santa barbara santa cruz, ca sarasota seattle tampa bay tennessee urbana-champaign vermont western mass worcester west asia: armenia beirut israel palestine process: fbi/legal updates mailing lists process & imc docs tech volunteer projects: print radio satellite tv video regions: oceania united states topics: biotech

Surviving Cities africa: canada: quebec east asia: japan europe: athens barcelona belgium bristol brussels cyprus germany grenoble ireland istanbul lille linksunten nantes netherlands norway portugal united kingdom latin america: argentina cmi brasil rosario oceania: aotearoa united states: austin big muddy binghamton boston chicago columbus la michigan nyc portland rochester saint louis san diego san francisco bay area santa cruz, ca tennessee urbana-champaign worcester west asia: palestine process: fbi/legal updates process & imc docs projects: radio satellite tv
printable version - js reader version - view hidden posts - tags and related articles

Internal Strife at SOS – Part III

by Next Move Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 3:38 PM

Part 3. The fall of SS187.

Internal Strife at S...
ss187.jpg, image/jpeg, 771x529


Recently an SOS member brought up the idea of flying an American flag upside down at the Hollywood March.

Since that is the universally recognized symbol of “my country is in distress” the poster felt that it would be an appropriate tactic given the prevailing opinion throughout SOS and the Minutemen that migrant workers have driven this country to distress. The idea was met with resistance.

Former member Rocco, who posted under the name SS187 on the SOS forum rebutted Chelene’s reactionary response stating “any American that truly does not understand what this means have not enough information to base their argument on.” The strange sentence structure notwithstanding, that was a direct attack on Nightengale.

Nightengale replied, “… I said no!!…organize your own event…and fly the flag upside down all you want!!” She went on to question even the thought that she could be accused of being wrong or even that another point of view might exist. She wrote: “I find this thread troublemaking and disrespectful by telling me and Ted [Hayes] we are wrong!! This is our march, we are organizing - final answer!!”

Apparently, it is out of the question for the rank-and-file members of SOS to even challenge the authority of their leaders. From a theoretical standpoint, this is all very ironic. Save Our State and the Minuteman Project portray themselves as Americans in the tradition of the original Minutemen. The funny thing is, the original Minutemen were anti-government and revolutionary. They opposed the monarchy and fought for the basic tenets of freedom on which the Declaration of Independence was based.

Fast forward 230 years and SOS and the Minutemen have become a pro-government group that smashes free speech and behaves in every conceivable way as anti-revolutionary.


All this excitement culminated with a thread by Rocco entitled, “SOS is a Sham”. In the thread, Rocco decried, “So, [what the fuck]? Who deleted these four posts, and why? I have a handful of guesses on who & why. Either way, it all comes down to SOS being a sham. Shame on sham'ful SOS.”

(Maybe Rocco gets the irony)

Turner denied deleting the posts stating, “I take personal offense to your suggestion that Save Our State is a sham organization. I have no idea what happened, as I was attending to some familial obligations (divorce proceedings?). Be that as it may, posts deleted in the lounge about a subject other than illegal immigration do not merit your accusations/insults.”

For what it’s worth moderators Don Silva and Drumsme7 also denied deleting Rocco’s posts. Apparently, nobody has admitted to the deletions.

So here ends the plight of Rocco. Purged from the group with no public explanation given. But for a group such as SOS that prides itself on top-down control and an intolerant attitude toward dissent, a purging of this nature is not surprising.

Report this post as:


by Next Move Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 3:38 PM

dsc_0176cxx.jpg, image/jpeg, 752x500

Report this post as:


by Next Move Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 3:38 PM

conquestofaztlanxj2.jpg, image/jpeg, 640x492

Report this post as:

Listed below are the 10 latest comments of 44 posted about this article.
These comments are anonymously submitted by the website visitors.
Chelene Nightingale--slaveowner Atheist Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 6:13 PM
Uhh... KR Friday, Aug. 04, 2006 at 7:23 PM
Maybe it means you want money? johnk Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 1:15 AM
Oh my god! Fredric L. Rice Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 1:40 PM
reply Jammer CC Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 2:10 PM
Chelene a slave owner? Phil Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 7:19 PM
reply Jammer CC Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 8:46 PM
repost? Tom Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 9:06 PM
Forget it Tom Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 9:11 PM
reply Jammer CC Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 10:11 PM
the best you can do? obi Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 12:52 AM
reply Jammer CC Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 1:34 AM
Hung up on a shirt Roger Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 7:14 AM
Hey obi and roger! 1st hand source Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 7:59 AM
Hypocrite or totally ignorant of history Roger Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 8:48 AM
flags of histories greatest mass murderers how many has the black flag killed? Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 9:16 AM
And yet you still live here Roger Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 9:31 AM
Next to the Stars 'n' Stipes BaBaBooey! Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 11:50 AM
Great flag quote Fuck flag worship Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 3:27 PM
confederate flag? Jalira Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 12:45 PM
Heather Evans V Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 2:52 PM
Heather Evans V Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 3:42 PM
Skynard fans in Laguna Beach Skynard rules!! Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 3:46 PM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 5:02 PM
reply Jammer CC Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 7:38 PM
Heather Evans V Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 7:55 PM
obi V Wednesday, Aug. 09, 2006 at 7:47 AM
Flag johnk Wednesday, Aug. 09, 2006 at 10:33 AM
Sweet Home Alabama Neil Young Saturday, Aug. 12, 2006 at 1:48 PM
When will you pay them back? Lynard Skynard Sunday, Aug. 13, 2006 at 4:41 PM
reply Jammer CC Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 1:08 AM
Next Move Maria Hernandez Saturday, Aug. 19, 2006 at 7:03 AM
I doubt it V Saturday, Aug. 19, 2006 at 8:02 AM
SOS "is" a Sham! Rocco SS187 Monday, Nov. 12, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Local News


lausd whistle blower A10 11:58PM

Website Upgrade A10 3:02AM

Help KCET and UCLA identify 60s-70s Chicano images A04 1:02PM

UCLA Luskin: Casting Youth Justice in a Different Light A02 11:58AM

Change Links April 2018 A01 11:27AM

Nuclear Shutdown News March 2018 M31 6:57PM

Join The Protest Rally in Glendale on April 10, 2018! M29 7:00PM

Join The Protest Rally in Glendale on April 10, 2018! M29 6:38PM

Spring 2018 National Immigrant Solidarity Network News Alert! M19 2:02PM

Anti-Eviction Mapping Project Shows Shocking Eviction Trends in L.A. M16 5:40PM

Steve Mnuchin video at UCLA released M15 12:34AM

Actress and Philanthropist Tanna Frederick Hosts Project Save Our Surf Beach Clean Ups M06 12:10PM

After Being Told He's 'Full of Sh*t' at School Event, Mnuchin Demands UCLA Suppress Video M02 11:44AM

Resolution of the Rent Strike in Boyle Heights M01 6:28PM

What Big Brother Knows About You and What You Can Do About It M01 3:30PM

Step Up As LAPD Chief Charlie Beck Steps Down F14 2:44PM

Our House Grief Support Center Hosts 9th Annual Run For Hope, April 29 F13 12:51PM

Don’t let this LA County Probation Department overhaul proposal sit on the shelf F13 11:04AM

Echo Park Residents Sue LA Over Controversial Development F12 8:51AM

Former Signal Hill police officer pleads guilty in road-rage incident in Irvine F09 10:25PM

Calif. Police Accused of 'Collusion' With Neo-Nazis After Release of Court Documents F09 7:14PM

Center for the Study of Political Graphics exhibit on Police Abuse posters F07 9:50AM

City Agrees to Settle Lawsuit Claiming Pasadena Police Officer Had His Sister Falsely Arre F04 3:17PM

Professor's Study Highlights Health Risks of Urban Oil Drilling F04 12:42PM

Claims paid involving Pasadena Police Department 2014 to present F04 10:52AM

Pasadenans - get your license plate reader records from police F03 11:11PM

LA Times Homicide Report F03 1:57PM

More Local News...

Other/Breaking News

Xyloglossie attitudinale A23 8:07AM

Shadowgun Legends Hack and Cheats A23 7:24AM

What does the Quran Say About Islamic Dress?? A21 4:15PM

Biodiversité ou la nature privatisée A20 11:22AM

The Market is a Universal Totalitarian Religion A20 7:14AM

Book Available about Hispanics and US Civil War by National Park Service A19 5:52PM

The Shortwave Report 04/20/18 Listen Globally! A19 4:01PM

The Republican 'Prolife' Party Is the Party of War, Execution, and Bear Cub Murder A19 11:48AM

Neurogenèse involutive A18 9:21AM

Paraphysique de la dictature étatique A16 10:13AM

Book Review: "The New Bonapartists" A16 3:45AM

The West Must Take the First Steps to Russia A14 12:25PM

Théorie générale de la révolution ou hommage à feu Mikhaïl Bakounine A14 3:30AM

The Shortwave Report 04/13/18 Listen Globally! A12 3:50PM

“Lost in a Dream” Singing Competition Winner to Be Chosen on April 15 for ,000 Prize! A12 3:48PM

The World Dependent on Central Banks A12 4:43AM

Ohio Governor Race: Dennis Kucinich & Richard Cordray Run Against Mike DeWine A11 9:40PM

March 2018 Honduras Coup Again Update A10 10:52PM

Apologie du zadisme insurrectionnel A10 3:33PM

ICE contract with license plate reader company A10 1:14PM

Palimpseste sisyphéen A09 11:23PM

Black Portraiture(S) IV: The Color of Silence...Cuba No...Cambridge Yes A09 5:32AM

Prohibiting Micro-Second Betting on the Exchanges A09 4:18AM

Prosecutors treat Muslims harsher than non-Muslims for the same crimes A08 10:33PM

Amy Goodman interview on cell phone safety A08 10:29PM

Mesa, Arizona police officer kills unarmed white man A08 9:50PM

Israeli leaders should be prosecuted for war crimes A08 9:48PM

Paraphysique de l'autorité A08 12:11AM

More Breaking News...
© 2000-2018 Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by the Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Running sf-active v0.9.4 Disclaimer | Privacy