I interviewed two of Costa Mesa's Minuteman Mayor supporters at his fundraiser Sunday. They defended his appointment of a white supremacists to a redevelopment and CBDG board.
Mayor's supporters defend his appointment of a neo-Nazi to a redevelopment board. This is the high quality version. It will take much longer to download.
While the mayor was signing his T-shirts he noticed that I was there and may have seen Duane as well. Then he raced over to the police, obviously to try to get us out of there or stop the photographing. Then the police apparently gave him a long needed lesson about First Amendment freedoms.
by Hate my neighbor
Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 2:10 AM
Thats funny. I know the guy in the video with the hawaiian shirt. He lives in Lake Forest. His name is Chris Nephi or something like that. He teaches at one of the colleges around here. Great, Ive got a neocon for a neighbor.
Orange County's biggest wind bag and number one cause of global warming due to hot air, Dana Rohrabacher, former Taliban commrade, leaves the Minuteman Fundraiser. Three Minutemen dropped dead of boredom after listening to his speech. A van disguised as an ambulance, but actually driven by "illegal" immigrants, took them to Mexico to be buried.
Minuteman Mayor Allan Mansoor signs the backs of his patriotic T-shirts to sell to Minutemen (and women) who worship him. A relative few people from Costa Mesa attended.
This is what the Bush regime's Amerikkka has come to. White supremacists feel emboldened to be out in public, standing on street corners and sidewalks waving Nazi and Confederate flags, gathering in public parks...
It's outrageous. Every one of these white supremacists are almost certainly Christians, too.
Nobody broke up their meeting or tried to. On the contrary, Minuteman fascists regularlly try to break up groups of lawfully assembled immigrants, sometimes brandishing firearms in the process. The Mayor, by the way, is an expert and well known for breaking up lawfull meetings in order to prevent freedom of speech by his opponents. He (the city of Costa Mesa) is currently being sued for that. Minutemen folks also regularly exagerate and lie about alleged attacks on their rights. Your post is an example of that.
I watched the videos -- quite informative but typical. I don't think we learned anything new here that wasn't covered in High School history class detailing the rise of Nazi Germany.
But I have to ask the white supremacist scumbags: Who cleaned up after you? After your little hate festival in a public park, who came along and cleaned up your mess?
What's that you say? Was it white guys who so often in America compete heavily for those kinds of jobs, perhaps?
A lovely picnick, complete with what looked like salad, bread, and what might have been corn chips. Who cultivated, weeded, and picked those vegitables you scumbags ate in a public park?
What's that you say? Was it white guys again who so often in America compete heavily for _those_ kinds of jobs as well, perhaps?
Irony: If it weren't for some 12 million illegal Mexicans in the United States, these scumbag racists would not have been able to have lunch -- at least not at a quarter of the price they paid for it.
Disgusting. Utter filth parading openly in America, the supposed "land of the free" and "home of the brave." Instead we've got neo-Nazi scumbags walking around out in the open in our public parks, not a care in the world or any embarrassment.
My opinions only and only my opinions, predicated upon what I saw in the videos offered. Your opinions may be mistaken.
Somebody needs a life or a girlfriend. I'm afraid to imagine that this might be a hobby.
You posted 71 megabytes of me answering a question at a picnic! Wow you really must be interested in my opinion. 15 minutes to download me saying I dont think posting something on the natonal vangaurd should disqualify someone from citizenship. Afterall I'm posting on Indymedia, assuming this isnt deleted, does it prove I'm a left leaning liberal. God I hope not. We both know would be a non-issue except that Mansoor also closed a day labor site and will allow the police to question criminals about their legal status. The "he hired a bigot" line is smoke. But its all you have so I guess you have to use it.
I hope that your comment is not deleted. Seems that one or two others were and I don't think they should have been. Just in case, I have copied your statement below.
But, you completely ignore my point during the video interview and replace it with one I didn't make. You were asked repeatedly if you would also appoint a neo-Nazi to a redevelopment board that was supposed to help minorities. And it was explained to you that the neo-Nazi in question was a prolific writer of neo-Nazi propaganda. And you simply chose to ignore the actual questions and actual facts. Also, you tried to separate "thoughts" from "actions." You essentially said it's okay to be a Nazi at heart, as far as being on a government committee is concerned, just as long as you don't actually kill anybody, etc., which such stupid logic on its face that I don't even need to explain why.
John Earl
71 megabytes?!?!?
by Chris Tuesday, Aug. 01, 2006 at 5:09 PM
Somebody needs a life or a girlfriend. I'm afraid to imagine that this might be a hobby.
You posted 71 megabytes of me answering a question at a picnic! Wow you really must be interested in my opinion. 15 minutes to download me saying I dont think posting something on the natonal vangaurd should disqualify someone from citizenship. Afterall I'm posting on Indymedia, assuming this isnt deleted, does it prove I'm a left leaning liberal. God I hope not. We both know would be a non-issue except that Mansoor also closed a day labor site and will allow the police to question criminals about their legal status. The "he hired a bigot" line is smoke. But its all you have so I guess you have to use it.
A 71 meg vid file is something that surprises you? Or, it would appear, something that makes you feel important and finally be somebody?
Let me help: 71 meg is nothing. A high resolution, high quality video that takes 71 meg is nothing unusual or unique, it doesn't mean that you or the disgusting ideologies you harbor are special.
No offence intended.
My opinions only and only my opinions. Attached comic representation is meant for spoof.
I did some comic representations like that one a while back, and they were also spoofs. But they were also based on things that people actually said.
On a side note, Don Silva posted somewhere indicating that I'll feel the supposed effects of this issue in every part of my life. Well I'm about to get hire again for a nice job. And I don't know the Spanish language and didn't need to and I didn't have to compete against people here against immigration laws. Gee, I guess I'm still waiting for Don's prediction to come true.
Well heres hoping Im not deleted. Since the story is essentially about me, I would like a rebuttal
"And it was explained to you that the neo-Nazi in question was a prolific writer of neo-Nazi propaganda"
First off, I reject the term Nazi for anybody but the real National Socialists circa 1928- 1944. They were in a league of their own and you calling a city councilman a Nazi just shows how much history you know. The real Nazis slaughtered many millions and saying some guy is the same thing because he called someone a name is ignorant on so many levels. To put it mildly I am unimpressed by you're "explanation" that someone is a Nazi, since you apparently dont have a clue what one was.
You seem to have a problem with my insistance in separating thoughts from deeds. To bad for you. I have no problem at all with some white guy thinking he is superior to all other races. I also have no problem with Jews thinking they are Gods chosen people, With Muslims who say only they are heard by God, With Nation of Islam members who say only blacks are humans and that blue eyed devils are genetic experiments gone bad. I further have no problem with Mexicans who believe they work harder than whites. I don't care if Asians think they are smarter than me. I have no problem with the Mormons who are the only true faith. I don't care if democrats think all republicans are stupid. If you John Earl want to proclaim yourself the smartest guy on Earth, fine by me. Go with it. I am not offended. You are entitled to believe anything you want. There are laws against some acts but never against thoughts. Its a distinction lost on the "its the thought that counts" generation.
And finally, I hope you are honest enough to admit that who Mansoor appointed would be unnoticed if he had no intention of enforcing immigration laws in Costa Mesa. I know it, you know t. The appointment is a non-issue. And name calling rarely win a debate in the public forum.
I did not call the Mayor or any city councilman a Nazi or even a neo-Nazi, but I asked why they appointed the latter to a redevelopment committee that deals with minorities when just about everybody, except maybe you, knows that racism leads to racist actions.
If you compare being a Nazi, or having a Nazi thought process, to Mexicans thinking they are harder workers than white people (supposing that is true), then you haven't a clue in the world what Nazism or neo-Nazism is. Or perhaps it's just your way of rationalizing away a dispicable act of racist pandering by the mayor.
As for your claim that the Mayor's neo-Nazi problem (and, I might add, his Minuteman racism problem) would be of no importance if not for the election, that's false. It has been an issue since 2002.
However, it was only under pressure from people like me, in an election year, that the Mayor finally tried to distance himself from the neo-Nazi philosophy of Mr. Millard. But that doesn't explain why he voted to appoint him in the first place, nor why he is a member of a neo-fascist and racist group like the Minuteman Project, which believes in a superior white protestant race over the Catholic Mexican 'race,' or his "sisters," the Gilchrist Angels.
John Earl
CChrist wrote:
"Well heres hoping Im not deleted. Since the story is essentially about me, I would like a rebuttal
"And it was explained to you that the neo-Nazi in question was a prolific writer of neo-Nazi propaganda"
First off, I reject the term Nazi for anybody but the real National Socialists circa 1928- 1944. They were in a league of their own and you calling a city councilman a Nazi just shows how much history you know. The real Nazis slaughtered many millions and saying some guy is the same thing because he called someone a name is ignorant on so many levels. To put it mildly I am unimpressed by you're "explanation" that someone is a Nazi, since you apparently dont have a clue what one was.
You seem to have a problem with my insistance in separating thoughts from deeds. To bad for you. I have no problem at all with some white guy thinking he is superior to all other races. I also have no problem with Jews thinking they are Gods chosen people, With Muslims who say only they are heard by God, With Nation of Islam members who say only blacks are humans and that blue eyed devils are genetic experiments gone bad. I further have no problem with Mexicans who believe they work harder than whites. I don't care if Asians think they are smarter than me. I have no problem with the Mormons who are the only true faith. I don't care if democrats think all republicans are stupid. If you John Earl want to proclaim yourself the smartest guy on Earth, fine by me. Go with it. I am not offended. You are entitled to believe anything you want. There are laws against some acts but never against thoughts. Its a distinction lost on the "its the thought that counts" generation.
And finally, I hope you are honest enough to admit that who Mansoor appointed would be unnoticed if he had no intention of enforcing immigration laws in Costa Mesa. I know it, you know t. The appointment is a non-issue. And name calling rarely win a debate in the public forum.
"...just about everybody, except maybe you, knows that racism leads to racist actions."
Very interesting theory. My first question is, does that theory apply to any race, or only Caucasians? My second question is, in your opinion, is it impossible for a person to set aside personal beliefs when conducting their sworn duties? Thanks...
"As for your claim that the Mayor's neo-Nazi problem (and, I might add, his Minuteman racism problem) would be of no importance if not for the election, that's false. It has been an issue since 2002."
Mr. Earl, Did I mention an election or even use the word "election"? Please take the time to go back and check. Where is that "claim" of mine?
Did I say the maor had a Neo-Nazi problem? I did not. I'll have to check to make sure that there is not another "Chris" on this thread you might have read.
Onc e again thanks to Indymedia for not booting ths.
You're right, I should not have said "election." But my point still applies. Millard has been an issue for over 8 years.
I did not mean to say that YOU thought the mayor had a neo-Nazi problem. On the contrary, you don't think his association with a neo-Nazi is a big deal. To you, it doesn't matter if he appoints a neo-Nazi to a government committee that deals with non-whites as well as whites. Most people, I think, would disagree with you, however.
I see no difference at all in the terms "nazi" or "neo-nazi" Both are intended as extreme perjoratives. Would there be any difference in being called a "pedophile" versus a "neo-pedophile"? Take any insult you want and tack "neo-" on the front. Has anything really changed? If there was a term worse than "nazi" I'm sure you would tack neo on it and use it on people who disagree with you. Your own website makes liberal use of terms like "minutenazis".
But I don't mind. Call me any epithet you like. People argue with insults when they are short of any facts or reasoning ability. Feel free to use the same doctored photographs at the next rally( Air Marshal Sensenbrenner or Mansoor with a kalishnikov are my favorites) Make liberal use of sarcasm ( three minutemen were bored to death) Lie, twist, exagerate and most of all proclaim guilt by association. Its a small world and if somebody isn't a bigot,he knows somebody who is or knows somebody who knows a bigot.
Ok if Indymedia dosn't delete this I'll send them a cake or something.
I think I agree with you to some extent: perhaps the biggest difference between the Nazi and neo-Nazi (or the fascists and the neo-fascists) is that the latter, so far, lack the power and influence of the former (if you recall your history) and they often try to put a happy face on Hitler or cover their fascist hearts with their hands while they salute the American flag at city council meetings. They distort history, deny their obvoius racism, even as they are expressing it, deny the Holocaust, for example (like your friend seemed to be doing in the video, remember: "what gas chambers?") and call themselves gene purists or white separatists, or minutemen. And they think it's no big deal that the mayor of Costa Mesa appointed a white supremacist, neo-Nazi to a government board.
You know John, I will admit to having attended quite a few Minuteman type events and several SOS ones. Maybe 50 or so. I have stood or sat next to or camped next to a broad range of people. Lots of former military including several who fought in WWII and one who helped liberate concentration camps. But also bikers , college professors, housewives, students, the rich and the unemployed. Soccor moms. A space shuttle crewman, a former porn actress. And in case you havent yet guessed, I do like to discuss a broad range of issues.
Now take this for what it's worth to you, but in all that time in Arizona, campo, San diego, Glendale, Los Angeles, I have never heard someone who have something nice to say about Hilter, the National Socialists or fascism in general. Maybe I didn't do the secret handshake right or my eyes are the wrong shade of blue. I also go to lots of open borders meetings and Ive found it interesting. So here is my challenge.
There will be a border watch group in the next month or so. The usual characters will be there. AND YOU ARE INVITED. Most watches get a little boring(OK a lot boring) and we are a talkative bunch. You will need a sleeping bag, maybe a cot and a lawnchair. There will be about 50 people on weekeend nights. You can play find the Nazi. Stay there one night or three.
So. Interested? I know it is a whole lot easier to scream names at people you have never met. Let me know.
I hope Indymedia got the cake by now. Thanks again
U havent been to the rally of last year in Baldwin Park, Victorville, and Laguna Beach. There were alot of National Vanguard people present. and it was SOS rallies. can u testify why they gravity to you guy. you can even asked John about Laguna Beach. The neonazi type held there nazi and nazi youth flag. Also, you know who started with borderwatch? it is Tom Metzger and the types. and you know some of them still on the board.
I saw the movie "Deliverence" and somehow the idea of sleeping out in the desert with Jim Gilchrist and his merry band of beer drinking minutemen just doesn't seem like a good idea. But thanks anyway.
But, seriously, I have hung out with lots of Minutemen lots of times at protests, meetings, interviews, fundraisers, etc., and there's no doubt at all about their white supremacist views. Some are more blatant than others. I have also looked into the background of some of their leaders, Barbara Coe and Mayor Allan Mansoor, for example. So I don't need to go to the desert to find the neo-Nazi types or those who pander to them. All I have to do is go to Costa Mesa to watch the mayor or Laguna Beach to see the SOS, Jim Gilchrist, the Klan, neo-Nazis, etc, etc. etc.
Here's one for you: Last Wednesday a Latino person was murdered in a drive by shooting. Some others were wounded and hospitalized. The idiot foot in his mouth Minuteman Mayor, who kisses neo-Nazi/neo-fascist butt, immediately started mouthing off about how such crimes are the result of having too many immigrants and soup kitchens in the city. He was assuming, of course, like the dumb racist pig he is, that the killer is a gang member. Actually, the police said that the suspect is white.
Now, wouldn't it be something if the killer turned out to be a neo-Nazi skinhead type? And who in the hell is creating the racist climate in Costa Mesa that might lead to such a crime? You know damn good and well who. No need to go to the desert Chris, just look at some of your local heros.
JE
Talk about clueless
by Chris Tuesday, Aug. 08, 2006 at 12:11 AM
You know John, I will admit to having attended quite a few Minuteman type events and several SOS ones. Maybe 50 or so. I have stood or sat next to or camped next to a broad range of people. Lots of former military including several who fought in WWII and one who helped liberate concentration camps. But also bikers , college professors, housewives, students, the rich and the unemployed. Soccor moms. A space shuttle crewman, a former porn actress. And in case you havent yet guessed, I do like to discuss a broad range of issues.
Now take this for what it's worth to you, but in all that time in Arizona, campo, San diego, Glendale, Los Angeles, I have never heard someone who have something nice to say about Hilter, the National Socialists or fascism in general. Maybe I didn't do the secret handshake right or my eyes are the wrong shade of blue. I also go to lots of open borders meetings and Ive found it interesting. So here is my challenge.
There will be a border watch group in the next month or so. The usual characters will be there. AND YOU ARE INVITED. Most watches get a little boring(OK a lot boring) and we are a talkative bunch. You will need a sleeping bag, maybe a cot and a lawnchair. There will be about 50 people on weekeend nights. You can play find the Nazi. Stay there one night or three.
So. Interested? I know it is a whole lot easier to scream names at people you have never met. Let me know.
I hope Indymedia got the cake by now. Thanks again
