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Counter demo to pro Israel rally : sunday- july 23 @ 4pm

by resist Israeli aggression Saturday, Jul. 22, 2006 at 3:31 PM
SW corner of SanVicente/Wilshire intersection.

Counter demonstration to pro-Israel rally at 4 pm Sunday July 23rd, at the SouthWest corner of the SanVicente/Wilshire intersection.

P.S. Villaraigosa is expected to address the pro-Israel rally.

_________________________________________________

Counter demonstration at 4 pm Sunday July 23rd, at the SouthWest
corner of the SanVicente/Wilshire intersection.

We are asking every one to be aware of the volatile situation and stay
safe at the face of the serious situations and injustices we are
struggling against.


The Israeli Consulate has announced there will be a "Community Rally to
support the People of Israel" this coming Sunday, July 23rd at 4PM, at
the Jewish Federation, Goldsmith Center, 6505. Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles (N side of Wilshire, just west of La Jolla - opposite side to Israeli Consulate)

So please join the counter demonstration. Gather at the SouthWest corner of
the San Vicente/Wilshire intersection. This area is very visible and most
people that will go to the rally will have to pass by there.

Because this counter demonstration has been quickly organized, and the
situation in Gaza and Lebanon is dire, we hope that many of you will
come with your signs and your flags on such short notice.

Make large signs with very clear to read and understand messages.

The police have been notified that we will be there, and they are expecting
us.
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More Information

by FYI Saturday, Jul. 22, 2006 at 4:41 PM


Wilshire Blvd. will be closed between San Vicente and Crescent Heights beginning at 11AM.
Note: If coming from the West on Wilshire, you will not be allowed to enter the rally walking eastbound on Wilshire.
Two main access points to the rally:
La Jolla avenue at Wilshire
San Vicente Blvd., cutting through the Petersen building parking lot to Wilshire


Rally Parking Information
Wilshire Blvd. will be closed between San Vicente and Crescent Heights beginning at 11AM.
Note: If coming from the West on Wilshire, you will not be allowed to enter the rally walking eastbound on Wilshire.
Two main access points to the rally:
* La Jolla avenue at Wilshire
* San Vicente Blvd., cutting through the Petersen building parking lot to Wilshire
Suggested Parking Lots:

8383 Wilshire Blvd. (Wilshire and San Vicente; enter on Gale)
Cost: $5 per car (800 spots available)
Free shuttle to Rally entrance point

Olympia Medical Center (formerly Midway Hospital)
5901 Olympic Blvd. (at Genesee)
Cost: $2 per car (500 spots available)
Free shuttle to Rally entrance point

Shalhevet High School (Fairfax and San Vicente)
Cost: FREE (50 spots available)
Free shuttle to Rally entrance point
Street Parking Recommendations:

San Vicente Blvd. (South side)
6th Street (South side)
5th Street (from Crescent Heights to Orlando)
Maryland (from Crescent Heights to Orlando)
Lindenhurst (from Crescent Heights to San Vicente)
La Jolla (from 6th Street to Drexel)
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How to counter the pro-war rally

by PEACE NOW Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 7:23 AM

By calling for this counter protest a full block away from the pro-war rally “resist Israeli aggression” has missed the whole point of a counter protest.

Assembly a block away could be called a separate demonstration, but it should not be considered a counter protest. A counter protest is a non-violent tactic where people directly confront the offending demonstration. Counter protesting is accomplished by positioning counter protesters in close proximity to the opposition. This can NOT be done from a block away.


Peace activists who truly want to counter the pro-war rally will get there early hours before the pro-war rally is set to start and peaceable assemble at 6505 Wilshire Boulevard. By occupying and holding that space first you will be staging a peaceful, non-violent and effective counter protest.

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call and email city hall

by Josh Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 3:33 PM

I just sent this letter to mayor@lacity.org I included my full name and street address so they know I'm local.


Will Antonio Villaraigosa be speaking at the Israeli consulate tomorrow? If so, I am embarrassed to have voted for him. Israel's current war against Lebanon is disproportionate and is doing much to hurt the cause of Israel. I support Israel's right to a peaceful existence but I stand with nearly every world leader (of course, minus Bush) in saying that Israel has gone too far.

Notably, even Tony Blair is saying this is too much.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1826969,00.html

Given Israel's current actions, this is not an event that Mr. Villaraigosa, as mayor of Los Angeles, should be attending. I ask that he cancel his plans to attend this rally. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization but that doesn't justify the actions of Israel against the civilians of Lebanon. Please take a stand for peace -- cancel your plans for speaking at this event.
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"Expertise"

by Lord Locksley Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 5:05 PM

Maybe the IDF needs to hire 'Josh' as its authority on what constitutes an 'appropriate' response.....I mean he just HAS to know better than they do what that is since he is 6000 miles away and sees it all on TV.....I have no doubt that 'Josh' would have protested the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo in April 1942 as an 'inappropriate response' to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor since they didnt bomb our Capital and we bombed theirs..
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and your there?

by Diane Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 6:58 PM

And so your there to see it all??
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what are you waiting for??

by la resident Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 11:39 PM

the last post mused about being called up to fight as well. you seem very "gun-ho." why are you waiting to be called up?? go and volunteer, i'm sure the idf will be more than happy to take you back--these are "your" people aren't they? it sure is nice to be able to bs from a safe vantage point, isn't it??
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Oh, Mayor Vendido -raigosa

by Nazi Hunter Sunday, Jul. 23, 2006 at 11:55 PM

...won't back down from speaking out on behalf of the war crimes being perpetrated by the white colonial settler state of Israel.

Be realistic.

He's running for Governor next time out.

He needs all the "support" he can get, and he knows it.

The vendido will sell anything for money fame and power.
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Shauvah tov , SJ

by Tia Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 6:18 AM

Get my message?
You've shamed me into reappearing, in spite of my best intentions.
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Hizbollah Agrees to 3rd Party Negotiation While Israel Kills Civilians

by zionist pigs not the chosen Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 6:21 AM

www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2006/July/middleeast_July502.xml§ion=middleeast
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Affirmative

by chaver Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 6:23 AM

Thanks for writing.
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Sure SJ, We all believe you (NOT)

by Gabe Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 8:31 AM

Yeah, sure you went to sign up. I beleive that as much as...oh....that the world is flat. You have demonstrated your fanatical obsessive nuttery too many times. Do you work?
You spend 24-7 trolling LAIMC. You are a whacko. If you are such a 'cyber warrior' (LMFAO!) why do you not do your thing in your own backyard? Too scared?
You don't have to answer that.
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Israel does target civilians as such.

by brutal terrorist murderers Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 8:31 AM

Israel does target c...
genocide99.jpgfrdonb.jpg, image/jpeg, 324x435

This is Zionism in action
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I'm wrong too

by Pachuco Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 11:00 AM

Because I believe in moral equivalence and apply it to the Arab_Israeli conflict.
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The captured Israeli soldiers were in Lebanon when they were captured

by AP Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 2:00 PM

Hezbollah Captures 2 Israeli Soldiers
Wednesday July 12, 2006 6:28am


BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to search for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity.

The Israeli military would not confirm the report.

Earlier, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called an emergency Cabinet meeting and said Lebanese guerrillas would pay a "heavy price" for Wednesday's attacks.

"These are difficult days for the state of Israel and its citizens," Olmert said. "There are people ... who are trying to test our resolve. They will fail and they will pay a heavy price for their actions."

The new captures came as Israel continued its two-week-old offensive in the Gaza Strip to try to win the release of another Israeli soldier who was captured by Hamas-linked Palestinian militants during a raid across the Israel-Gaza border last month.

Osama Hamdan, a Hamas spokesman in Lebanon, said Hezbollah's seizure of the two soldiers Wednesday strengthens Hamas' position, and demanded Israel free all Arab prisoners to secure their release.

"We have proven to this enemy (Israel) that the one option is the release of Palestinian, Lebanese and Arab captives. All captives, without exception," Hamdan told Al-Jazeera television.

"What happened has strengthened the issue of the captives, and the enemy will submit to our choice, which is the exchange of the captives in return for the release of the soldiers," he said.

The comments appeared to reflect a toughening of Hamas' stance in the abduction of Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit in the cross-border raid outside Gaza. Previously, Hamas had demanded the freeing of some Palestinian prisoners in return for Shalit's release.

Hamdan did not say whether Hamas had consulted with Hezbollah over Wednesday's seizure of the two soldiers at Israel's northern border with Lebanon. But he said there may be subsequent "coordination and an understanding" between the two groups.
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ZioNazis rule the U.S. - Might don't make right.

by Sara Monday, Jul. 24, 2006 at 10:19 PM

... uh, huh.
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comparison

by here Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 7:30 AM

Kurdish "terrorists" crossed into Turkey from Iraq and killed several Turkish military members. Should Turkey bomb and destroy the infrastructure of Iraq?

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/07/04C77744-2F65-4989-B6DE-D00564FD5DB8.html
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SchtarkerYid

by They've done it in the past Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 7:32 AM

They've done it in the past. Where were you then?
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Question

by question Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 7:38 AM

Did the Iraqi rulership ever give the Kurdish resistance in its country virtual control of the entire Iraqi infrastructure the way Lebanon had given Hezbullah?
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Question

by question Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 7:44 AM

Did the Iraqi rulership ever give the Kurdish resistance total control of the infrastucture in its country the way the Lebanese did for Hezbullah?
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answer

by here Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 9:52 AM

In the north of Iraq it is my understanding that the Kurds do control the infrastructure.
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SchtarkerYid

by A Kurdish thread? A Somali thread? Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 10:07 AM



The soldiers have moved across the international border, with the aim of stopping an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist group.

The terrorists are occupying large swathes of the neighboring country, which has been wracked for decades by civil war and bloody internecine conflict.

Sounds familiar, right?

Somalia_1Well, in fact, the above scenario is playing itself out not only along Israel's northern border, but in the Horn of Africa, too, where Ethiopia has moved troops into Somalia to counter an Islamic fundamentalist militia that has seized control over parts of the country.

Ethiopia legitimately fears the destabilizing effect of having a fundamentalist terrorist group based next door, particularly since the Somali Islamists aspire to create a "Greater Somalia" that would incorporate parts of Ethiopia itself. And so, Ethiopia has done what any normal country would do in such a situation: they have moved to protect themselves and their interests from harm.

Why do I bring this up? Because it underlines the hypocrisy and double standard that is applied by the media and much of the international community, which is only too happy to denounce Israel for defending itself, while remaining silent when others do precisely the same thing.

Selective media coverage? You bet.

Selective morality at the UN? Case closed.
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Nope

by here Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 11:37 AM

"Because it underlines the hypocrisy and double standard that is applied by the media and much of the international community, which is only too happy to denounce Israel for defending itself, while remaining silent when others do precisely the same thing."

It's not an anti-Israeli bias, it's the fact that sub-saharan Africa is and always has been ignored by the world!
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SchtarkerYid

by Then explain... Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 11:39 AM

Then explain Chechnya, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc
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SchtarkerYid

by Lebanon held hostage Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 11:46 AM

In essence, Lebanon is also held hostage by the pro-Syrian forces of Hezbollah. Hezbollah directly controls about 25% of the country, and the rest by threats and fear with a private army more powerful than the Lebanese National Army!
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more than state sanctioned protests needed

by to stop US/Israeli military aggression Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 12:05 PM

Am sending a message of appreciation for all the pro-Palestinian and pro-peace activists who have organized countless protests since the pre-invasion of Iraq to show their opposition to US/Israeli militarism, apartheid, genocide, corporate theft of resources, etc..

However, more action may be needed besides the usual sign waving protests where everyone drives home afterwards. Nobody likes being critisized on their tactics, sure protesting beats doing nothing other than typing on computers..

Having remembered the book by Ward Churchill "Pacisfism as Pathology" and increasing curiousity to learn about militants in British occupied India who secretly destroyed British munitions outposts in the countryside has led me to question the mainstream peace movement's button sales and permitted banner marches..

"Churchill rightly points out that several peaceful movements which pacifists use as examples of the effectiveness of their strategies were successful only because of the violence inflicted on the system by those outside the nonviolent movement. For example, Gandhi's allegedly peaceful triumph in the struggle for the independence of India was overshadowed at that time by nationalist and religious violence which made the country ungovernable both during British colonial rule and afterwards."

more on Churchill's book @;
http://www.spiritoffreedom.org.uk/profiles/rob/pacifismaspathreview.html

Ward's main position in this book is that concerned people will need to give up their comfort zones and directly engage the military/industrial complex of the US corporate government..

"The insistence of non-violent resistance and symbolic civil disobedience as the only acceptable forms of protest by North Americans is certainly one of the ideological areas which needs to be explored, challenged and debated."
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On July 12, 2006, Israeli soldiers entered the Lebanon border and were captured

by Beruit IMC Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 2:36 PM

Cancer of misinformation

from Pipistro - 24.07.2006 22:04

A little nation and its people have been tied to misinformation

For decades a coward silence has been the endemic cancer penetrating almost the whole western media when talking about the misdemeanours of the Israeli establishment. Therefore Israel has been turned into a little nation and its people has been tied to misinformation and egoism. Lebanese strike is the last show. On July 12, 2006, Israeli soldiers entered the Lebanon border and were captured in the Lebanese town of Ayta ash-Shab by Hezbollah militias that keep control of that land in Southern Lebanon (Bahrain News, Asia Times). Israel deliberately lies or let the world and the Westerners understand that the soldiers have been kidnapped in Israeli owned land. That’s it, then it’s hell. IDF bombs Lebanon while in Europe some say they are indignate (but they keep silent) and some talk of self defense (and they had better keep silent). After having believed as true, for years, world spread Israeli propaganda, such as the Western world trusted Barak’s unabashed lies (making impossible for his people and neighbours to reach a deal with Syria and killing Camp David and Taba talks), Western nations let US backed Israel blackmail the Middle East with another humanitarian catastrophe. Hundreds of dead and wounded, hundreds of thousands refugees must weigh over the coward Europe’s conscience, as there is no chance they weighed over the arrogance of the Israeli Military and Government or the dishonest US establishment. But something is moving. Protectors and protegees, in spite of the propaganda that has been spread for decades all over the world by hired information killers, are no longer able to keep people unaware of the facts.

http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2006/07/4734.shtml
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Nasrallahs plan to

by kidnap Israeli soldiers Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 2:46 PM

On July 24, 2006, Al-Jazeera TV aired an interview with Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah.
The following are excerpts from the interview:

We Did Not Expect the Arab Regimes "To Participate in Spilling the Blood of
the Victim, and to Provide Cover for the Crimes of the Hangman"

Hassan Nasrallah: "The international community has never been with us, for
us to claim that 'today it is not with us, it is besieging us, abandoning
us, and neglecting us.' It has never been with us. On the contrary, it has
been against us in the things that matter. For example, we have been on the
American terrorism list since... since they began the terrorism list. We
were among the first to be included in the terrorism list. Some European
countries also include us in their terrorism lists. The position of the
international community is clear, and therefore, we are not surprised by the
international community, and we have never pinned our hopes on it."

"As for some of the Arab positions - this is, of course, something new.
True. In the past, some of the Arab regimes renounced the resistance and its
men. Today, we would accept it if the Arab regimes - I am being very
objective and realistic... We would accept it if they were neutral. That's
it. In the past, too, we accepted this from them. If you examine the
rhetoric of Hizbullah... Maybe the rhetoric of our Palestinian brothers is
different, and this is their right, because their circumstances are much
harsher than ours. They always attack, accuse, and denounce the regimes and
the rulers. This is not part of our rhetoric or writings. Why? Because we
have forgotten about them. There is no need for it. If you assume someone
exists, you can attack him, but if you feel that he does not exist, by
attacking him, you would be aggravating yourself for nothing.

"Once we used to ask the international community to denounce the hangman and
to have mercy on the victim. Then we got to the point where we said we would
accept it if they denounce the hangman and the victim alike. This has become
what we could expect from them. If a resolution denounces both the hangman
and the victim - fine. As for the Arab regimes - all we expect from them is
to be neutral. And if they do not want to be neutral - brother, let them
treat Israel and us equally. We would even accept it if they treat the
hangman and the victim equally. But for them to participate in spilling the
blood of the victim, and to provide cover for the crimes of the hangman - I
tell you that we did not expect this. This was indeed a surprise."

"I say categorically that the Israeli response to the capturing operation
could have been harsh, but limited, if not for the cover provided by the
Arabs and international community. It is not that Israel got the green light
from America, Ghassan. Israel received an American decision that said: 'Go
on and finish that business in Lebanon.'"

"In addition, some of the Arabs provided a cover, and encouraged Israel to
continue the battle. Israel was told that this is a golden and historic
opportunity to annihilate the resistance in Lebanon. They don't want to
annihilate only the resistance of Hizbullah in Lebanon. They want to
annihilate any motivation to conduct resistance in Lebanon, whether by
Hizbullah or anyone else. They want to bring the country to a situation in
which the word 'resistance' is considered derogatory. Martyr, jihad,
wounded, steadfastness, challenge, liberation, freedom, power, honor,
nobility, dignity - all these words must be removed from the vocabulary of
the Lebanese, from the press, the political writings, from the political
thinking, from the popular conscience. This is what Israel is doing. America
needs this if it wants to reorganize the region."

"I Say to the Arab Rulers... Remain Neutral"

Hassan Nasrallah: "I am convinced that even the sons, daughters, and wives
of some Arab rulers are with us. But I say to the Arab rulers: I don't want
your swords or even your hearts. All I want is for you to leave us alone, as
we say in colloquial Lebanese. In other words, remain neutral. We are fine
with that. You've said what you said - you can relax now, thank you very
much. Today there is a war that was imposed on Lebanon. Its purpose is to
eliminate anything to do with the resistance or its fighters in Lebanon, and
to punish Lebanon for defeating Israel. The truth is that the goal of the
war against Lebanon is to eliminate the Palestinian issue. Everybody knows
that the widespread Intifada in Palestine broke out following the victory in
Lebanon. What is happening in Palestine is a similar and improved version of
the Lebanese model. If today we destroy the Lebanese model, the message to
the Palestinians would be that they should despair."

"The [Lebanese] Government Statement Says That [the Armed Resistance] has
the Right to Liberate the Land and the Prisoners"

Hassan Nasrallah: "This thing you asked me about - that I didn't inform or
ask [the Lebanese government]...

"First of all, the government statement, on the basis of which we joined the
government, says that the Lebanese government adopts the resistance, and its
natural right to liberate the land and the prisoners. Okay, how is the
resistance supposed to liberate the prisoners? It should go to George Bush?
I cannot and will not go to George Bush. When you say 'the right of the
resistance,' you are not talking about the foreign ministry. You are talking
about the armed resistance, and the government statement says that it has
the right to liberate the land and the prisoners. I am a resistance
movement. I am armed. That's one thing. This is the government statement, on
the basis of which the government won the parliament's vote of confidence.

"Second, during the [Lebanese national] dialogue... Some people are now
saying that I did or didn't say certain things... There are recordings. Yes,
I did tell them that we are keeping the border calm, because this was our
policy. But there are two issues in which we cannot tolerate this calm. I
raised four issues. Two issues can bear delays, procrastination,
postponement, and reminders. No problem. The first is the continued
occupation of the Shab'a Farms. Never mind, we can take our time on this.
This is a small and limited piece of land. We will not start a war over the
Shab'a Farms. I'm referring to the kind of war we have now. The second issue
was the aerial and naval violations [of sovereignty], and even violations by
ground forces. We can tolerate this. True, violations of our sovereignty are
deplorable. But are we supposed to destroy the world because of it? No. Two
issues cannot tolerate any delay. One is the issue of the prisoners, because
of the human suffering. The second
issue is any attack against civilians. I told them on more than one
occasion that we are taking the issue of the prisoners seriously, and that
abducting Israeli soldiers is the only way to resolve it. Of course, I said
this in a low-key tone. I did not declare in the dialogue: 'In July I will
abduct Israeli soldiers.' This is impossible."

"I Told Them [Lebanese Political Leaders] That We Must Resolve the Issue of
the Prisoners, and That the Only Way to Resolve it is by Abducting Israeli
Soldiers"

Interviewer: "Did you inform them that you were about to abduct Israeli soldiers?"

Hassan Nasrallah: "I told them that we must resolve the issue of the
prisoners, and that the only way to resolve it is by abducting Israeli
soldiers."

Interviewer: "Did you say this clearly?"

Hassan Nasrallah: "Yes, and nobody said to me: 'No, you are not allowed to
abduct Israeli soldiers.' Even if they had told me not to... I'm not
defending myself here. I said that we would abduct Israeli soldiers, in
meetings with some of the main political leaders in the country. I don't
want to mention names now, but when the time comes to settle accounts, I
will. They asked: 'If this happens, will the issue of the prisoners be over
and done with?' I said that it was logical that it would. And I'm telling
you, our estimation was not mistaken. I'm not exaggerating. Anywhere in the
world - show me a country, show me an army, show me a war, in which two
soldiers, or even civilian hostages, were abducted, and a war was waged
against a country - and all for two soldiers. This has never happened
throughout history, and even Israel has never done such a thing."

"If 60-70 people know all the details of an abduction operation, can it
possibly be successful? No, it cannot. All the more so if I inform a
government, which has 24 ministers, the heads of the three government
branches, political forces, and coalitions. When we held the national
dialogue, we talked and discussed things, and an hour later, the protocols
of the meetings reached the embassies. Do you want me to tell the entire
world that I am about to carry out an abduction operation? It's not
logical."

"It is true that I did not inform the Lebanese government, but I did not
inform my closest allies either. Syria and Iran did not know. No Syrian or
Iranian knew. They did not know, and I did not consult any of them."

How Can the War Affect the Iranian Nuclear Dossier?

Hassan Nasrallah: "On the Iranian issue... Now there is a war in Lebanon. In
one, two, or three months it will end. How long can it possibly last? Once
the war is over, in what way will it affect the Iranian nuclear dossier?
What effect will it have on it? On the contrary, if this is in any way
connected to the Iranian nuclear dossier, the war being waged against
Lebanon does not serve its interest. The Americans and the Israelis have
always taken into account that if a confrontation breaks out with Iran,
Hizbullah might intervene in Iran's favor. So striking Hizbullah now would
weaken, rather than strengthen, Iran on the nuclear issue."
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Beirut IMC rocks, Israel has one that is thriving, too.

by Gerb Tuesday, Jul. 25, 2006 at 6:35 PM

Check it out.
https://israel.indymedia.org/index.php
Good stuff.
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Stop the Zionists!

by White Pride World Wide Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 1:46 PM

As shown here, I*rael is not merely "defending" itself:
http://www.nsm88.com/images/israelsgranddesign.gif

It is pretty obvious why the United States is backing I*rael. Look at who is in control of the media:

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html
http://www.nukeisrael.com/media%20jewish%20elite.html

My Folk is really glad that Los Angeles Indymedia is helping to expose the insidious (zio)neocon control of the entire American government, and that LA Indymedia is helping to expose the following:

http://www.natvan.com/adv/2006/07-29-06.html

"Whether by accident or by conscious design, the position of the Jews in the world today relative to our people is precisely what I have just described. They have acquired their own organized racial state, in which only Jews can be citizens. They have taken control over much of the American media and all of its most influential political leaders. Of all the ways they could use their media power, they most often choose to use it to promote race-mixing and non-White immigration."

Furthermore, http://www.nukeisrael.com/jews%20we%20bless%20thee.htm

This site also has information that la.indymedia.org readers will doubtlessly find valuable:

http://www.davidduke.com/ for information about the Zionist massacre at Qana.
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"Israel has one that is thriving, too."

by you got that right Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 8:03 AM

Note the difference in editing styles between Israels and American Zionists:

https://israel.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/5045/index.php#Comment-5044

(snip)

sad but true

(snip)
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Nothing to see, folks

by move right along Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 8:09 AM

Have you noticed:

Any anti-semitism, on the web or in the world is black ops, according to TW?

Just last week , in that bastion of liberalism and tolerence, the Bay area, I watched a Palestinian man attack a "Woman in Black" with his shoe, because he thought she was a pro-Israel supporter.
And because the surrounding folk regarded it as an attack on an Israeli supporter, no action was taken.

No hate there. Not a bit.
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He thought she was an Israel supporter because

by what really happened Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 8:14 AM

real Israel supporters brought their Zionist flags and mingled in among, and against the expressed wishes of, the Women In Black, in order to confuse people, while other Israel supporters passed out leaflets accusing the all Jewish WIB of being anti-Semites.

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So you know who I am

by and with whom am I speaking? Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 8:32 AM

And how does it feel being targeted for a hate crime?

The flyers did not accuse Women in Black of being anti-semitic. Would you like to see one? They did however accuse Women in Black of being hypocritical (They'll show up at a picnic in the park, sponsored by the Jewish community, but they'll ignore a Palestinian conference dedicated to the destruction of Israel)

We did video-tape the whole event. The wheels of G-d grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
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"by bunk logic Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 5:32 PM "

by just wondering Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 2:49 PM

You mean *this* bunk logic?

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698659.php

(snip)

bunk logic

(snip)
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"by just wondering Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 5:49 PM"

by heard it before Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 2:55 PM

You mean *this* just wondering?

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698659.php

(snip)

just wondering

(snip)
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Thank you for playing

by Try again Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:44 PM

with whom am I speaking?
by good question Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 11:39 AM

I could be anyone, even someone you think is your friend.


I see what you are trying to do. It doesn't work with us, sweetheart.
"We few, we happy few. We band of brothers*"

Aside from the politics, you'd like our group, Nessie. Its egalitarian, non-heirachial, and unstructured. Zero budget.
You know what I've learned? Its incredible how much you can get done when you aren't looking to take credit for your accomplishments. Its zio-anarchy.


* and sisters
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Down with Zionism!

by Proud Jew Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006 at 3:48 PM

The Israeli attack in progress in Lebanon received, according to the expression even of the international press, the "green light" of the United States and the "tacit agreement" of the other great imperialists States, beginning with France (in spite of the declarations of "amity" with Lebanon!).

The meeting of the "G 8" which was held at the commencement of the hostilities reserves any even platonic judgment of the Israeli aggression, of any even symbolic call for peace, being limited to a hypocritical call for "reserve" by the "two parties" (!): the message was received loud and clear by the Hebrew State which at once intensified its bombardments in the country, aiming in particular at civil targets and essential services, with the aim of sowing terror and provoking an exodus: more than one half-million people were thus forced in a few days to flee the south of the country, while the death toll was in the hundreds. Israel also instituted an air and naval blockade of Lebanon, so much so that the Western ships which evacuate the foreigners must ask for their authorization for safe passage! None of these great States emitted the least criticism against this true act of piracy, which they, in fact, ratify.

This demonstrates that the "big 8" which dominate the world and which claim to be the defenders of civilization, are actually the terrorists-in-chief, they are the ones responsible for the crimes of capitalism, even when in fact smaller States undertake their dirty work.
The attack of Israel in Lebanon is a continuation of its attacks against the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank. The pretext of these murderous imperialist police operations was the capture of three of its soldiers--whereas thousands of Palestinian and many Lebanese prisoners have been left to rot for years in Israeli prisons.

On the one hand, their objective is crush any inclination of resistance to the permanent oppression undergone by the Palestinians and on the other, to turn up the pressure on those States in the area (Syria, Iran) which balk at yielding to the pressures of the United States and the Western imperialisms. During the civil war Syria sent its troops to Lebanon with the agreement of the United States, Israel and France to crush the Palestinians and the disinherited Lebanese masses, now it is subject to very strong American and French pressures to give up the positions which remain to it in this country, after having already been forced to withdraw its soldiers a few months ago. The French imperialists hope that a more or less permanent weakening of Hezbollah (dependant on Syria and Iran) under the Israeli onslaught will enable them to regain a part of their previous "presence" in Lebanon, traditionally an important money market and commercial center of the Middle East. This is why Chirac called only for the application of the UN resolution against Hezbollah, and not for those against Israel...


WORLD IMPERIALISM and the ARAB STATES are COMPLICIT in ISRAELI STATE REPRESSION



The United States and Israel responded to the electoral victory of the Hamas party; a victory which is explained by its denunciation of the generalized corruption and compromises of the former leaders (of Fatah); and the formation of its government, by openly declaring that they were going to asphyxiate the new Palestinian authorities. With utter contempt for international agreements, Israel refused to pay the sums due (customs duties, etc.) to the new government, while right after this the European States stopped their assistance to the Palestinians, just as the majority of the States of the Arab League (except that, anxious to avoid an explosion, the European imperialists sought to put forward that part of the assistance which is used to maintain the Palestinian police force and the structures of the mini-State by institutions firmly tied to imperialist domination). The Israelis had formerly supported Hamas, the reactionary clerical party, in order to weaken the Palestinian nationalists. But for years Hamas, which presents itself in the form of the defender of the poor and an irreconcilable adversary of the Jewish State, unceasingly criticized the negotiations with Israel and the various agreements of "peace". The arrival in power of this party was thus likely to call into question, not these agreements which never really succeeded, but the generally submissive attitude of the Palestinian Authorities to imperialist order in the area: here for what, from the United States to the European countries by way of Israel and the more powerful Arab States, all fell into agreement to strangle by any means the new "democratically elected" government, in spite of the fact that Hamas itself had begun to align itself on this imperialist order!

This is a new demonstration that all the international agreements, all the great principles of the right and the democracy are only hot air vis-a-vis imperialist interests: only force counts.

After the capture of a soldier from the Tsahal during a guerrilla action carried out in reprisal for the of massacre of Palestinian civilians on a beach, Israel "reacted" by accentuating its campaign of assassinations and destruction and by capturing a part of the Palestinian government with the intention of judging it for "terrorism". The Western countries did not emit a squeak of protest against these gangster actions, the imperialist leaders repeating that "Israel has the right to defend itself"! The Palestinians themselves, have only the right to die in silence, if not they become terrorists... Another demonstration that a Palestinian State will never be tolerated by Israel and its imperialist godfathers unless it remains a concentration camp for its inhabitants permanently suspended under the threat of murderous Israeli operations.

As long as capitalism exists, the various bourgeois States will never cease competition and armed confrontation, they will never cease exploiting their own proletarians all the while calling on them for the "unity of the nation" against the proletarians of the foreign countries, they will never cease oppressing the populations which fall under their domination. As long as the world imperialist order reigns, the Israeli State which is its Middle Eastern pillar and richly remunerated henchman (subsidies in Israel alone represent more half of the external assistance of the United States...) will not cease its exactions, it will not cease oppressing the Palestinians and encroaching on their territory.


NO TO THE MASQUERADES OF PEACE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN BOURGEOISIES!

YES TO THE REVOLUTIONNARY STRUGGLE AGAINST IMPERIALISM AND ALL CAPITALIST STATES!



The recent decades have provided the irrefutable proof that all the diplomatic negotiations, all the "peace" agreements signed under the aegis of the imperialists were used only to increase oppression and to lead to new massacres. There is no worse illusion than to appeal to the alleged peaceful intentions of this or that bourgeois State or the interventions of the UN, a true "den of thieves" subject to the orders of the imperialist big shots. Within the framework of capitalism, there cannot be any solution for the oppressed and all calls for peace are lies.

The only way out lies in the development of the proletarian struggle because only this struggle will be able to link all the exploited across all borders, will be able to smash to bits all nationalist unites --including in Israel. And this will be done on the condition of destroying the international imperialist order, of overthrowing all bourgeois States, in the Middle East and everywhere, in order to establish on their ruins an international and unitary proletarian power, the essential condition to eradicate all oppression, all exploitation, all repression and all discrimination at the same time as capitalism.

As remote as this may appear, this prospect is the only realistic one; it can and it must prepare as of today while bringing to the masses direct or indirect victims of "our" imperialism the only solidarity which really counts: the weakening of imperialism by the rupture of the proletarians with the organizations and parties related in one way or another to the bourgeois order, by their frontal opposition to the capitalists and in their State, in short by the resumption of the internationalist and revolutionary class struggle.



Down With Zionism, Down With Imperialism!

Solidarity with the Exploited and Oppressed Masses of Palestine and the Whole World!

Reconstitution of the International Proletarian Party for the Future World Communist Revolution!



July 23, 2006


International Communist Party




Proletarian Le Prolétaire Programme Communiste El Programa Comunista Il Comunista

Editions Programme, 3 rue Basse Combalot, 69007 Lyon FRANCE
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I replied to this,

by so predictable Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 8:37 AM

but gehrig hid it.

Here's what it said:

She's lying. Scroll up a couple screens to the post entitled "Let us join nessie" and see for yourselves. These people have threatened my life repeatedly. They belong to a murderous death cult, so I take the threats seriously, and take appropriate measures.

Also, I don't want to dialog with them for the same reason I don't want to dialog with the Klan and the Nazis, who are also willing to talk. A racist is a racist is a racist.

(1.) I remember what happened to Alan Berg.

(2.) I have nothing to say to any racist that I haven't already said on line. Zionism is racism. Left Zionism is just as racist as right Zionism for the same reason left Nazism is just as racist as right Nazism. I don't care if it's Tom Metzger or Michael Lerner. A racist is a racist is a racist. Dialog is not the appropriate response to racists. When I appear to be dialoguing with them online, I'm not. I'm using them for foils. I'm not talking to them, I'm talking to our readers. If we met face to face, there would be no readers, so there is no point in talking.

When the Zionist war machine stands down and stops killing Arabs, and there are elections and referendums in which everyone living in all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, has an equal say, no matter whether they are Arabs, Jews, Druze, Circassian, Armenians, Russians or whatever, then I'll be willing to talk. In the meantime, forget it. It's not going to happen. I don't talk to people who treat half the folks in the territory the control as virtual prisoners in the world's largest prison camps. I don't talk to people who live in stolen houses. I don't talk to people who think they have the right to lord it over others, just because they belong to the right tribe. I don't talk to people who slander me, hack my site and sign mu name to things I never wrote. I don't talk to people who threaten to kill me, just because I criticize their master race philosophy online.
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"Here's what it said:

by pointer Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 8:59 AM

Here's what it looked like:
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This is a self confessed member of a murderous death cult speaking.

by I don't walk into traps I can avoid. Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 9:59 AM

It's been a long time that a day has gone by without Zionists murdering somebody, somewhere. That's what they do. That's the kind of people they are. If they want me, too, either they come to the Bunker, and deal with its alarms and defenses, or they hit me in public. I'm vulnerable three or four times a month at the store, but there are always plenty of witnesses. It's a crowded street, and there are usually people in the store itself. Their best bet to hit me is buckshot through the window and escape on a motorcycle. It will be recorded on camera, so they ought to cover their faces and use a "borrowed" license plate. That's not advice. That's an objective observation of the facts on the ground. I know the facts. So do my stalkers. That's the best way to kill me. That's how I'd do it, if our roles were reversed. That's the facts of the matter. I know it. They know it. Anybody who thought it through twice knows it. C'est la guerre.

Or, if they care to show off their huevos, they could come into the store and use pistols, f2f. In that case, they *will* meet resistance. I'm a strong believer in Donald Goines' famous maxim, "Never die alone."

But hey, everyone dies. There's no way around it. Like the song says, "You'll never get out of this world alive." Or, as the old Norse proverb puts it, "Kings die, men die, cattle die. Only the tale lives on." I hope the make it sporting and wear their vests. It'll look better in my bio.

I've had a good run. I'm still having a good run. Lives come much worse than mine. Mine's been a good life. I'll leave the world a better place than I found it, in several significant ways, and I've had more fun than ten motherfuckers. So if I die today, I'm ahead of the game. This alone enables me to accept my own death, whenever it comes. "Be dead," was the samurai motto. Mine, too. I've had too many close calls not to be constantly aware that every breath could be my last. That's how I live. That's how I've always lived. I accept death. Death is my friend. I'll meet it in style. Fear is not in the equation.

Besides, if these people seriously want to martyr my ass, there's no way to stop them. No one, but no one, is immune to snipers. But hey, there's worse ways to die than to die as a martyr. I love to have the last word, and still to speak out, even when dead, is the ultimate last word. So if martyrdom is my fate, so be it.

But I see no point in making it easy for them. No, I don't walk into traps I can avoid, no matter how attractive they may look. If they want to silence *this* anti-Zionist, they're going to have to hunt me down.
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Crazy is

by diagnosis Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 11:56 AM

when people threaten your life and you *don't* take it seriously.

Zionism is a murderous death cult. Blood drips from its fangs. But not mine. I didn't get this old by being careless about my security. I'm not about to start now.

As for "my" website, it's not SF-IMC. Sf-IMC is a collective effort.

My site is:

http://www.transbay.net/~nessie/

Feel free to read it. Or not. Either way, it's not the most important thing I do online or off. Them I don't sign my name to.

Who does sign my name to thiongs i didn't write, all over IMC? The same people who claim to think I'm so unimportant that they ignore me.

See:

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More on Mixed nuts

by Real mixed nuts Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 12:25 PM

TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THESE FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RIGHT WING LUNATIC NUTS LOSE IT WHEN NO ONE WILL BELIEVE THEIR ZIONIST LIES. FUCK ALL FIVE OF YOU NUTCASES. HERE IS WHO YOU ARE. TRUTH IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE.

Zionists lie and threaten because they have to, history is not on their side. Neither is truth

See! HIm and his frothing at the mouth dunce-cap crew have plenty of little quips. In fact, here's some of their little zionest-I'm having a meltdown quips:

SchtarkerYid
by JA, Exactly when and where? Thursday, Jul. 13, 2006 at 11:14 AM

JA, Exactly when and where can I find you on the streets of Berkeley passing out candy? I'll meet you there. I have some new toys that I'd like to show you.
SchtarkerYid
by Its just a matter of time now Thursday, Jul. 13, 2006 at 11:09 AM

Its just a matter of time now. The crazed Islamic supremicists and their appologists have, once again attacked Israel, essentially demanding war. Israel has no choice but to fight this new war with devastating effectiveness. After that, the shattered smoking ruins of Hamas and Hezbollah may one day wish to discuss peace. HaShem will deliver the enemies of Israel into the hands of the students of his Torah.

On the decline of
by self-righteousness Thursday, Jul. 13, 2006 at 8:07 AM

Sigh. Of course, SJ, if JA were to die, I'd pass out candy on the streets of Berkeley. (Although in his case, fruits and nuts might be more approrpriate)

Chazack, chazack v'nit chazack.

Het lunch boy
by Scapegoated Jew Thursday, Jun. 29, 2006 at 4:48 PM

Hopefully the banker you met with today won't approve your loan. Maybe only a rough forceful rape by another man, possibly a whitey, will straighten your perversions out.
You're enjoying your copy of the last Der Stuermer issue on your desk?
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"We Have a Death Warrant For Your Home" No LIghts in Gaza

by We love you Palestine! Saturday, Aug. 05, 2006 at 9:38 PM

"We Have a Death Warrant For Your Home"
No Lights in Gaza

By ELIZA ERNSHIRE

West Bank, Palestine.

In Gaza the people have long endured the night-time terror of sonic-booms even before the low-flying, sound-barrier-breaking jets were accompanied by bombs and exploding shells. Now, as the war in Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli forces are tripling their psychological attacks against the already terrified civilians. Everyone can remember waking in the dark of night and calling out for a light. Everyone has heard their own little ones whimpering as they wake from a nightmare and everyone knows that to be soothed and to sooth and comfort, a light is turned on to disperse the shadows from the corners and make lie to the fears of the child.

''No, there is no one behind the door who will harm you my darling.''

But there are no lights in Gaza, and flickering candlelight only heightens the fear and anxiety in the face of the mother when she tries to comfort a child. She can not say that no one is behind the door because there well might be, and if they are there they will harm her child, as the statistics of this conflict shamefully show.

There is no light, there is no fresh water to give the people, there is no sewage system and there is no way that the hospitals will be able to continue functioning. All these factors are frightening. That the 1.3 million people in Gaza will slowly starve to death, or die of some unsanitary disease, is frightening. It is the feeling that one might have in a confined space wondering how long the air will last

The Israeli Army are now calling residents on their mobile phones them to warn them of an imminent raid on their family home.

Witnesses in Gaza tell of the following messages they have received: "If you want to give shelter to terrorists, we will destroy your house, as we are destroying the houses of Lebanon," and ''Name and Surname, here is the IDF, you have just one hour to leave your house and to advise all your neighbors, as after that we will destroy your house. We have a death warrant for your home."

Whether the raid occurs or not, the family are traumatized by the messages that either they received or their neighbors received or that they are afraid they will receive today or tomorrow or in the middle of the next night.

In countless ways a war is being waged against the future social health of the Arab states, where at the very least 50% of the population grow up with missing members of their families due directly to Israeli and American conquest wars and subsequent occupation of territories.

To further discredit the Israeli invasions of recent weeks and add weight to the immorality of Israeli tactics, evidence is slowly mounting about the use of chemical weapons and phosphorous bombs against the population of Gaza and the Lebanese people. Doctors have started testifying in south Lebanon about the condition in which some victims are brought in to be identified. They have reported how many corpses arriving in the hospitals show no signs of bleeding. How the bodies were burnt beyond recognition and how a strange odor emanated from them.
Horribly mutilated bodies are regular sights in the hospitals of Gaza as well where victims have been hit by exploding nail-bombs.

To the relatives of these victims, and to the people who saw them die, nothing will make them ever forget.
To the little Hudas of this war who have lost everything and who saw everything, a psychological void is all that will be in front of them.

And this is Israel's psychological war, one directly encouraged and backed and maybe even orchestrated by America: practiced as they are in the means of torture, leaked to the world at Abu Ghraib, and unknown to the world in many other cases.

The United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559.

Everyone knows how United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559, has been the most quoted resolution of the past month. The numbers 1559 fall off the tongues of politicians, journalists and Israeli citizens alike. Hezbollah must be disarmed, and by invading Lebanon and razing its cities, Israeli politicians are expecting to have their backs patted by the world for being the ones upholding the United Nations Security Resolution.

Two days ago an Italian Parliamentarian made a very good speech about the hypocrisy of the current situation in Lebanon and Israel in regards to this UN Resolution.

''For this one resolution that Israel is ''upholding'' they are daily violating a hell-of­a-lot more.''

Such as protecting civilians in wartime.

Not to mention the articles on the expected treatment of political prisoners, and of their families

I hardly even dare to remark on the Israeli soldiers captured by Hamas and Hezbollah fighters in June and July this year; actions which in someway were the catalyst of this conflict, or at least an excuse. However I feel bound to keep banging away at the prisons' Iron Gate which holds inside it utter disregard for any form of justice.

The situation for political prisoners inside Israel can only be likened to the conditions suffered by political prisoners of America held in Iraqi prisons and in Guantanamo Bay.
The list of violations carried out against the thousands of Palestinian men, women and children, currently being interrogated and held in detention and made to serve ridiculously long sentences, is endless and it is difficult to know which aspect to highlight in an article not specifically dealing with this issue.

Should we speak about the confessions that 14-16 year old youths are forced to sign, written in Hebrew, after sometimes 20 days of interrogation and isolation?
Or should we speak about the women, three of whom in the past year have been forced to bare their children inside the barred prison?

Or of the beatings that have left many with broken bones and sightless eyes?

Should we speak of the military court, conducted entirely in Hebrew, where young Palestinians are sentenced to 20 or 30 years in prison for crimes they are never told about because they are contained in a ''closed file''?

Or about the impossibility of Lawyers to visit their clients due to movement restrictions which do not allow them to leave the West Bank, although the majority of prisoners are held within Israel?

Or about the personal heartbreaking stories of the family visits to the prison where the prisoners are only allowed 45 mins to see mother and sisters and brothers (if they are not between 14-45 years) behind a glass window and wire mesh and cannot even touch their hands?

Or maybe that is enough for the moment.

There are times when it is easier to be objective and to try and understand the roots of this conflict from a perspective not tainted by the propaganda that is rife on both sides of the Wall. But as the days pass and the bombing continues and the civilians of Gaza are being more and more forgotten, it is hard to talk about balance and equal wrong or right in this conflict. The plain facts are that both Ismail Haniyeh the Palestinain Prime minister and member of Hamas, and Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, have called for a cease-fire on humanitarian grounds and both have been rejected by Israel and America on political grounds.

The cease-fire is still a far-off dream. The ground invasion gathers momentum and the relief -- aid so desperately needed by civilians in the war zone -- is unable to reach them while relief workers are unable to offer them any form of help. There is outcry here and in many parts of the world.

People are horrified by the blood-shed; people are horrified by the plight of the children and by the sight of their little tortured bodies being dragged out of the rubble.

But nothing has changed. Israel is not going to be deterred at this stage of its operation while it has the backing of the US and Britain.

Here, in the West Bank, people are tired of hearing the leaders of Israel and the US continuing to spout reasons for the necessity to continue military action against Lebanon and Palestine. Reasons are cited that are synonymous with policies that World Leaders have used on countless occasions over the past hundred years of conflict to justify military actions that cripple an ''enemy'' country and cause innumerable civilian casualties. Such as ''Bombing to Save Lives'' or ''Ending the Terrorist Threat by Destroying the Resistance'' or ''Upholding International Resolutions''.

The real policy is to continue endless war: To keep national politics in a state of ''emergency'' and ''security-priority'' and hence unquestionable to the population, while pursuing a relentless expansion into the oil-rich regions of the Middle East.

On a political level there has never been a need to justify the useless slaughter of human beings when there is a specific agenda that needs to be fulfilled.

If a population becomes a little angry at their government's war-tactics then the justification of ''kill to save lives'' is usually accepted. During the WWII bombings of Germany, Sir Arthur Travers Harris, the British air marshal and commander in chief of the Royal Air Force wrote:

''..Attacks on German cities are strategically justified in so far as they tend to shorten the war and preserve the lives of Allied soldiers''

He also added:

''..I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.''

Or a ''captured'' Israeli soldier?

In 1917 Hermann Hesse wrote to a German Minister to the effect that if only he could see the reality of the Western Front and hear the cries of the dying soldiers and the wailing of the women he would ''lock himself in his room and cry.'' And in the morning he would call on the Leaders to end the war.

But now the Ministers do hear the crying and do see the wounded and the killed and still fail to act.

What has changed since Hermann Hesse's impassioned plea to his Minister in 1917?

The age of television and computer imagery has taken over the world and the human senses have suffered most. People have become desensitized. They have become accepting of images of war and killing and torturing because unconsciously they can distance themselves from the reality, as they are accustomed to do when they sit down to a TV dinner and a 'good horror movie'.

But the reality on the ground in Gaza and the West Bank and in Lebanon is not just a horror movie.
So as compensation to those who have made the step away from a TV War and who are asking about the loss of civilians in the conflict so far, the political movers use the cliché justification of ''The killing is to stop more killing'' to silence their questions.

When America dropped the two bombs on the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, they were acting supposedly to save a ''possible one million lives of American service men'' the estimated cost of a ground land invasion of Japan.

Berlin was reduced to absolute ruins in 1944-1945 in an attempt to ''destroy the foundation of Nazism'' and thus save Allied lives; but the allied leaders refused directly to deal with the Moltke Circle of Resisters working in very influential circles of the army and government who had a very specific way to end Nazism and hence also stop unnecessary deaths in Germany and among the Allies, without reducing the country into a state of physical and psychological poverty.

While the bombing of Berlin is ''justified'', the bombing of Dresden, where the allied forces bombing with incendiary bombs killed somewhere between 35,000 and 135,000 civilians, is conveniently taken out of many history books, as the bombing of Qana will be too.

The idea of '''destroying resistance'' to Israel is too fluid a one to accept. What resistance is Israel actually speaking about? And Resistance to what? The obvious military ones of capturing Israeli soldiers and firing Qassam rockets and Katyusha rockets is only a fraction of the resistance movement that Israel and America are bent on destroying.
The more sinister program behind Israel's destruction of resistance can be seen in their determined attempt to attack the very basis of life in this region. By pounding the civilians of Lebanon and Gaza into the ground and grinding away at the quality of life in all regions of the Palestinian territories, Israeli politicians are revealing a long-term goal of reducing the Arab states into areas of such acute poverty and desperation that the Western World will accept a propaganda campaign that says a total and absolute occupation of the region will be the only way to save the Arabs from themselves is to occupy their lands.

The use of psychological means to reach these ends is quite terrifying.

There are too many examples of the way in which the state of Israel and the US are undermining their Middle Eastern ''enemies'' through psychologically terrifying them.

''If they only fought us with weapons they know they would be finished,'' an ex-prisoner of 12 years told me the other night. ''But instead they torture us so that only the strongest manage to survive.''

The Israeli Army uses specific methods of psychological warfare in combat zones and more subtle forms of it in non-combat but occupied zones; yet all methods add up to the frightening reality that Israel and the US are bent on inflicting long-term effects on the Arab world that will turn them into the desperate and maddened people that the Western media has long since portrayed them as.

In an unprecedented incident, an Israeli artillery officer has refused to bomb Lebanese villages.

Israeli press sources have stated that Corporal 'Umri Zaid, from the Israeli city of Safad, who serves as an artillery soldier in the occupied Golan Heights, had refused orders to launch more than 150 shells onto the Lebanese village of Al-Jdairah.

The sources have reported that the soldier told his comrades that he wasn't ready to serve in an army that is professional in shelling civilians in their villages and cities. He packed his belongings and headed to his home.
The first refusal since the invasion of Lebanon has aroused discussion among other soldiers.

The deputy head of the artillery brigade has announced that he will take the soldier to court.

The Palestinian Ministry of Health reported that Israeli soldiers have killed 176 residents, including 40 children, and injured 872, including 272 children, since Israel declared its "Summer Rains" offensive in the Gaza Strip on June 27.

During the period between June 27 and July 31, Israeli soldiers also shot and injured 172 residents in West Bank and 520 in Gaza.

Geneva Convention IV

Art. 16. The wounded and sick, as well as the infirm, and expectant mothers, shall be the object of particular protection and respect
and:

Art. 18. Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict
and:

Art. 19. The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy

and:

Art. 20. Persons regularly and solely engaged in the operation and administration of civilian hospitals, including the personnel engaged in the search for, removal and transporting of and caring for wounded and sick civilians, the infirm and maternity cases shall be respected and protected

Eliza Ernshire can be reached at eliza_ernshire@yahoo.co.uk
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End games

by Al -jeezera Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 4:03 AM


And so the war against mankind begins in earnest. The madman of Iran along with the other
"delegates" to the emergency Islamic conference held in Malaysia, has a
novel solution to the problem in the Middle East: "elimination of the
Zionist regime." That is, wipe out the State of Israel. But he'll
settle for an immediate ceasefire until that can be accomplished.


To all those who had such hopes for negotiations with Israel's enemies;
all those who believed in a two-state solution; all those that have
urged Israel to give up and give in, including many Jews and Israelis, I
hope you have your answer now. For all those who believe in the holy
grail of "negotiations," this is the real agenda. How would you like to
negotiate with Mr. Ahmadinejad? Let's say we agree to blow up half the
country, in exchange for him waiting until next year to blow up the
rest? Sound good, Human Rights Watch? Mr. Anan? Yossi Beilin? CNN?

But if that's too unreasonable, maybe we should agree to all jump into
the sea at the exact same time? Let's say, we promise to coordinate our
watches, and then Iran and the U.N. and the BBC can stand with observers
on the beach and watch. In exchange, there will be complete peace in
the region. Except of course, for the women, who will continue to get
their throats cut for dishonoring their families by calling their big
brothers rapists, and those pesky Christians who refuse to convert, but
they can always be quietly hung. Or Sunni's (or Shia's?) or Kurds, or
any other variant on the exact belief of Mr. Monkey.

And Israel? It will be as peaceful and as quiet as ...well, as a
cemetery. Or Auschwitz without any crying tourists.

As for me, I'm not really such a fan of peace. Peace Now, peace
negotiations, peace be with you, Salaam Alkeikum. I don't ever want to
hear that word again as long as I live, which will be as long as the IDF
can protect me, and the Israeli government refuses to take the advice of
its enemies and its so-called friends. No thanks to a multi-national
force of Arabs and their friends helping us to ensure our Northern
borders. No, thanks for the advice, really. Been there, done that.
Very kind of you to take such an interest. But I think the answer is
occupation. Israel occupation. The way the Allies occupied Europe until
the Nazis were rooted out. But first we need to kill the little monkey,
and all his friends and supporters. And then we have to take aim at his
nuclear program. And after that, send the white coats to commit
Assad's inbred moron son to a mental institution (and get him some
plastic surgery). As for North Korea, that's really not Israel's
problem at the moment, so we'll let Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush handle that.

For those of you who don't like what I've written, who think I'm being
not nice, too harsh, you are entitled to your opinion. But if you write
me, I'm going to kick you off my list, because you just don't belong
here. And if you decide to unsubscribe, please do it quietly because
frankly my dear, etc. etc. Below, the article that ticked me off.

Naomi (in the middle of a 24 hour fast commemorating the destruction of
Jerusalem)

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Ahmadinejad's Mideast Solution: Destroy Israel

Thursday, August 03, 2006


TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the
solution to the Middle East crisis was to destroy Israel, state-media
reported.


In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders in Malaysia
Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate cease-fire to end the fighting
between Israel and the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah.

"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist
regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented,"
Ahmadinejad said, according to state-run television
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MOre on Israeli Terror

by Not a zionazi Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 5:30 AM

The sharp escalation of the attacks against Lebanon Friday have made it abundantly clear that the objective of this US-Israeli war of aggression is to demolish Lebanon as an independent and sovereign country.

The war is aimed at transforming the country into an occupied territory controlled by the US and Israel, perhaps through the medium of a NATO “peacekeeping” force. The destruction of Lebanon is being carried out quite deliberately, and with very definite designs. For Israel, it is yet again a matter of annexation of more territory. And for Washington, it is the preparation of new and even bloodier wars, directed in the first instance against Syria and Iran.

The pretense that this war is being waged to defend Israel from terrorism or even to destroy the Shiite Hezbollah movement is belied by the Israeli bombing campaign that is now striking targets and claiming victims far from the Shiite centers of south Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut.

In one of the worst atrocities since the war began, an Israeli air strike claimed the lives of over 33 farm workers, blown to pieces as they loaded plums and peaches onto trucks at a farm warehouse in the far north of the Bekaa Valley, near the Syrian border. At least another 20 people were wounded in the attack. Most of the victims were Syrian Kurds. They were taken across the border to Syrian hospitals, because previous bombing raids had demolished roads leading to hospitals in Lebanon itself.

This massacre of farm workers followed airstrikes that systematically demolished bridges on the main coastal highway linking Beirut and the Lebanese south to the northern half of the country. Marking the first major attacks on the predominantly Christian North, these attacks served to cut the country in two and to cut off the sole remaining lifeline for relief supplies from abroad. At least five people were killed in these bombings, which were conducted during the morning rush hour, including motorists who were crushed to death as the bridges were bombed from beneath them.

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http://wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/leba-a05.shtml
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Israel continues reign of terror

by Not a zionazi Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 5:32 AM

Factories come under fire
Report, IRIN, 4 August 2006

A man walks next to a destroyed residential area in Baalbek, 1 August 2006. (Peter Speetjens/IRIN)
BEKAA VALLEY - The Maliban glass factory, owned by an Indian businessman based in London, used to produce some 200 tons of glass a day in Chaura, 40km east of Beirut in the heart of the Bekaa Valley, and employed around 400 people. Now burnt steel bars rise like giant teeth against a clear blue sky.

Salah Baraki, 60, the manager, looked out over a sea of devastation. "The factory is 42 years old, of which I worked here for 41," he said. "In two minutes, everything was gone." On 18 July, two Israeli fighter jets fired a handful of rockets on the production hall, reducing it to rubble.

The current conflict began on 12 July after Hezbollah, a Shi'ite Muslim political and militia group based in south Lebanon, captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel has responded with a land, sea and air blockade of Lebanon, with the intention of preventing supplies from reaching the militia group.

The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has bombed targets throughout Lebanon; Hezbollah has fired thousands of rockets into northern Israel.

"We had only 41 people coming in that day," Baraki said. "We were lucky, as they bombed around lunch time and most of us had gone out or found a quiet place to eat." Two workers were killed.

He said five factories were bombed in the area, resulting in some 1,300 people losing their jobs. "I have five children, two still in university. I should be retiring soon, but now I don't know. It is the same for the 400 other families who were dependent on this factory." Baraki thinks it will take millions of dollars to rebuild the factory.

Economic impact of warfare

This was not the only factory bombed by the IDF in "broad operations designed to strike at the forward infrastructure of the Hezbollah terror organisation" in the Bekaa Valley, a few kilometres west of the Syrian border.

Dalaal, which houses several factories under one roof, including a prefabricated homes plant making temporary accommodation units for the US army in Iraq and Afghanistan, was another. According to the owner, Toufic Dalaal, the Israeli jets made several raids. "When they saw one building was still standing, they returned and bombed again."

He said none of his 400 employees were killed because he closed his company when he heard of the bombing in Maliban. "Everything has been destroyed," Dalaal said by phone from the United States. "I'm here to buy machines so that I can start again as soon as possible. We have a name to keep up and we have a lot of work to do."

He does not understand why his factory was bombed. "The only thing I know is that we are too far from the border [with Israel] to fire Katyushas [Hezbollah's rockets], and this is a Sunni [Muslim] area. Hezbollah are Shi'ite and not even represented here. The only thing I can say is that Israel is involved in some sort of economic warfare."

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) denies this allegation. "We are striking decisively and intensely at a wide variety of targets to undermine and destroy terror infrastructure in Lebanon," said Brig-Gen Ram, an IAF squadron leader.

On the road to Baalbek, a Hezbollah-dominated city further north in the Bekaa Valley, a milk factory, Libanlait, was also destroyed by two Israeli rockets.

"This month the company will pay the salaries of the 300 employees, but after that it will depend on the decision of the shareholders whether to rebuild or not," said Mohamed Zeidan, a technical consultant for the company.

The main shareholders are Christians and Sunni Muslims, and a major Lebanese bank. "Many of the employees are Shi'ite, of course," he said, "but we don't do politics here, we make milk."
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More eye-openers that you don't see in the mainstream media

by Not an IDF baby-killer Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 5:43 AM

For Israel, innocent civilians are fair game

By Peter Bouckaert
International Herald Tribune

08/03/06 "IHT" -- -- TYRE, Lebanon Mideast -- The voice of Mohammed Shalhoub, 61, a farmer from Qana, still quivers with shock and exhaustion. He was in a basement shelter with more than 60 relatives when two Israeli bombs hit, killing at least 28, including 16 children. As I interview him in hospital, relatives arrive with more news of the victims. A woman starts screaming as she looks at the pictures of the dead and Mohammed's eyes well up with tears.

But his voice turns cold with impotent fury when I ask if there were Hezbollah fighters near the home when the bombs fell. "If the Israelis really saw the rocket launcher, where did it go?" he asks. "We showed Israel our dead; why don't the Israelis show us the rocket launchers?"

The world doesn't seem to put much credence in the testimonies of Lebanese civilians, preferring to buy generic Israeli statements about Hezbollah using civilians as human shields, "precision strikes" at terrorist targets, and a "proportionate" bombing campaign. But after days of contradictory statements about Qana, the Israeli military was reported as saying it had no indication of rocket fire or Hezbollah presence in Qana on the day of the strike, and had bombed the area in retaliation for rockets launched days earlier.

Israel's claims about pin-point strikes and proportionate responses are pure fantasy. As a researcher for Human Rights Watch, I've documented civilian deaths from bombing campaigns in Kosovo and Chechnya, Afghanistan and Iraq. But these usually occur when there is some indication of military targeting: high-ranking members of Saddam Hussein's regime present in a house just before it is hit, for example, or an attack against militants that causes the collateral deaths of many civilians.

In Lebanon, it's a different scene. Time after time, Israel has hit civilian homes and cars in the southern border zone, killing dozens of people with no evidence of any military objective.

My notebook overflows with reports of civilian deaths. On July 15, Israeli fire killed 21 people fleeing from Marhawin, including 13 children; no weapons, no Hezbollah nearby. On July 16, an Israeli bomb killed 11 civilians in Aitaroun, including seven members of a Canadian-Lebanese family on vacation; again, no Hezbollah, no weapons. On July 19, at least 26 civilians were killed in Srifa when Israeli bombs flattened an entire neighborhood; no evidence of military targets. On July 23, at least seven civilians were killed when Israeli warplanes bombed dozens of cars trying to flee the south after receiving Israeli instructions to evacuate immediately; no indication of weapons convoys in the vicinity. The list goes on, with about 500 civilians killed so far.

Israel says the fault for the massive civilian death toll lies with Hezbollah, claiming its fighters are hiding weapons inside civilian homes and firing them from civilian areas. But even if the Israeli forces could show evidence of Hezbollah activity in some civilian areas, it could not justify the extensive use of indiscriminate force that has cost so many lives.

Not only has Israel failed to distinguish between military and civilian targets; its own officials suggest that they have decided any civilian still in the south is fair game. Last week, Justice Minister Haim Ramon reportedly said, "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah."

So if you are too frightened to flee southern Lebanon, or are sick, injured or too poor to pay the more than $1,000 it now costs to get out, you are a "terrorist" and eligible for attack. As for those who heeded the Israeli warnings to flee, the roads are littered with bombed civilian cars, many with white flags still attached to their windows. After all, the Israelis tell us, they could have been transporting arms. Israel is prefabricating excuses to justify killing civilians.

Tragedies happen in the fog of war, but Israel's strikes on civilians can't all be excused as accidents or mistakes. The unacceptably high death toll is the natural result of Israel's failure to distinguish between civilian and military targets, and Israel is responsible for the deaths.

Israel must target its fight on Hezbollah, not Lebanese civilians. To do otherwise is not only wrong, but may very well be criminal, and Israel's leaders, and its friends elsewhere in the world, must face up to this harsh reality.

Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, is co-author of the report "Fatal Strikes: Israel's Indiscriminate Attacks Against Civilians in Lebanon," released Thursday.
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MOre on Israeli Terror and Vrutality

by Hershel Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 9:28 AM

ell Way writing from Jerusalem, Live from Palestine, 5 August 2006

On Monday, July 31st, Palestinians in Jerusalem implemented a general strike in solidarity with the people of Lebanon. The city was closed down.

On Tuesday, August 1st, Palestinians and some Americans held a protest outside of the American consulate in East Jerusalem, protesting America's massive political and financial roie in the assault on Lebanon. A small group of about 40 protestors gathered on the opposite side of the street. They were quiet for some time, then chanted for awhile, then sang. Israeli border police and Israeli regular police lounged against the consulate on the other side of the road. There were no physical or verbal exchanges between protestors or police. A police jeep arrived with back up.

Suddenly, about 15 police crossed the street to the protestors quickly in a column and began shoving everyone down the hill. They immediately became violent with the protestors, shoving them, aggressively using batons and horses. I really thought their intention was to kill one of the men they attacked. They directed all of their force at his head and neck -- four or five officers strangling him, beating his head and twisting it at the same time.

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Don't you love it how the zionazi PR Einsatzgruppen...

by TW Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 12:13 PM

...keep quoting the IDF's press releases line for line, obviously with calm faith that you're stupid enough to fall for it
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Speaking of meltodwns, I have one daily, See?

by si Sunday, Aug. 06, 2006 at 1:21 PM

I can't argue on the strength of real facts, morality, logic and history, so I swoop on anything to deflect that I can get my grubby little mitts on. Give me a trophy! (Please? I'll take my meds!)

I'm a Total Whacko in need of attention


Isn't it nice that most of my posts on every thread have been hidden? I'm venting my infantile frustration on all the antizionists who have superior mastery of the facts.
Truth and history are not on my side, neither is sanity. I'm a zionist fruit loop.
I post incessantly, 12 hours a day, here's just the hidden ones:
I should get a life, but I'm a rabid, bug-eyed frothing at the mouth zionist coward chickenhwak keyboard warrior.
See: That's pathetic.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/?keyword=&author=shetizdayen+indeebay&comments=yes&display=f&year=&month=&day=&medium=&language_id=&category=0&sort=&limit=30
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