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Molly Ivins: Pro-Israel 'Nutjobs' on the Attack

by repost Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 1:55 PM

by Molly Ivins

AUSTIN, Texas—One of the consistent deformities in American policy debate has been challenged by a couple of professors, and the reaction proves their point so neatly it’s almost funny.

A working paper by John Mearsheimer, professor of political science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, professor of international affairs at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, called “The Israel Lobby” was printed in the London Review of Books earlier this month. And all hell broke loose in the more excitable reaches of journalism and academe.

For having the sheer effrontery to point out the painfully obvious—that there is an Israel lobby in the United States—Mearsheimer and Walt have been accused of being anti-Semitic, nutty and guilty of “kooky academic work.” Alan Dershowitz, who seems to be easily upset, went totally ballistic over the mild, academic, not to suggest pretty boring article by Mearsheimer and Walt, calling them “liars” and “bigots.”

Of course there is an Israeli lobby in America—its leading working group is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). It calls itself “America’s Pro-Israel Lobby,” and it attempts to influence U.S. legislation and policy.

Several national Jewish organizations lobby from time to time. Big deal—why is anyone pretending this non-news requires falling on the floor and howling? Because of this weird deformity of debate.

In the United States, we do not have full-throated, full-throttle debate about Israel. In Israel, they have it as a matter of course, but the truth is that the accusation of anti-Semitism is far too often raised in this country against anyone who criticizes the government of Israel.

Being pro-Israel is no defense, as I long ago learned to my cost. Now I’ve gotten used to it. Jews who criticize Israel are charmingly labeled “self-hating Jews.” As I have often pointed out, that must mean there are a lot of self-hating Israelis, because those folks raise hell over their own government’s policies all the time.

I don’t know that I’ve ever felt intimidated by the knee-jerk “you’re anti-Semitic” charge leveled at anyone who criticizes Israel, but I do know I have certainly heard it often enough to become tired of it.

And I wonder if that doesn’t produce the same result: giving up on the discussion.

It’s the sheer disproportion and the vehemence of the denunciations of those perceived as criticizing Israel that make the attacks so odious. Mearsheimer and Walt are both widely respected political scientists—comparing their writing to “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is just silly.

Several critics have pointed out some flaws in the Mearsheimer-Walt paper, including a too-broad use of the term “Israel lobby”—those of us who are pro-Israel differ widely—and having perhaps overemphasized the clout of the Israel lobby by ignoring the energy lobby.

It seems to me the root of the difficulty has been Israel’s inability first to admit the Palestinians have been treated unfairly and, second, to figure out what to do about it. Now here goes a big fat generalization, but I think many Jews are so accustomed (by reality) to thinking of themselves as victims, it is especially difficult for them to admit they have victimized others.

But the Mearsheimer-Walt paper is not about the basic conflict, but rather its effect on American foreign policy, and it appears to me the authors’ arguments are unexceptional. Israel is the No. 1 recipient of American foreign aid, and it seems an easy case can be made that the United States has subjugated its own interests to those of Israel in the past.

Whether you agree or not, it is a discussion well worth having and one that should not be shut down before it can start by unfair accusations of “anti-Semitism.” In a very equal sense, none of this is academic. The Israel lobby was overwhelmingly in favor of starting the war with Iraq and is now among the leading hawks on Iran.

To the extent that our interests do differ from those of Israel, the matter needs to be discussed calmly and fairly. This is not about conspiracies or plots or fantasies or anti-Semitism—it’s about rational discussion of American interests. And, in my case, being pro-Israel. I’m looking forward to hearing from all you nutjobs again.

www.commondreams.org/views06/0425-27.htm

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The last time that somebody posted this, try again Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 2:02 PM
sure just for drill... Sheepdog Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 2:20 PM
A Response to Critics of 'The Israel Lobby' repost Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 6:08 PM
'Israel Lobby' bad for Israel, the U.S. repost Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 5:55 AM
neocons and the lobby Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 9:50 AM
SchtarkerYid Theres always a conspiracy nut Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 10:19 AM
Here's some of this zionist pig's best lobbying SchtarkravingShalom Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 10:23 AM
there they go again so typical Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 10:45 AM
SchtarkerYid Embarrassing for others Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 10:49 AM
IS THIS LEADING A JOYOUS JEWISH LIFE?I THINK A REAL SP[IRITUAL PERSON WOULD BE ASHAMED OFY HYPOCRISY Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 10:53 AM
SchtarkerYid Just raving now Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:00 AM
-maybe for once they'll prove me wrong- Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:01 AM
You probably employ stupidity strategically autoblocked @Indybay Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:07 AM
Notice Yid's constant denial Busted Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:13 AM
SchtarkerYid Hidden Posts on Indybay Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:13 AM
well, autoliar@LA Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:14 AM
THESE ZIONISTS CAN'T STAND TO HAVE LOST THEIR "BATTLE" FOR INDYBAY THAT MUST HURT ALOT, TO LOSE LIKE THAT Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:18 AM
speaking of worms... Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:21 AM
In other words autoblocked @Indybay Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:22 AM
We need some new blood here autoblocked @Indybay Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:28 AM
explain courage and bravery? Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:35 AM
SchtarkerYid The inevitable "meltdown" Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:36 AM
Indybay is going down the tubes autoblocked @Indybay Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:43 AM
SHABOT SHALOM CHAVERIM LOSERS!!!! LOST THE INDYBAY BATTLE Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:45 AM
"maybe for once they'll prove me wrong" typical Zionist tactic Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:46 AM
"What they have proven is... they'll even prove "nessie" was telling the tr heard it before Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 11:58 AM
nope Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 1:27 PM
John Hagee's Christians United For Israel Christian Zionist version of AIPAC Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 1:31 PM
"by heard it before Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 2:58 PM " so predictable Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 1:41 PM
nessie the spammer gehrig Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 1:49 PM
An ad hominem is not a rebuttal. more Zionist double talk Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 1:57 PM
nessie's delusions threaten to drown him gehrig Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 2:23 PM
"I've proved it's untrue quite a while ago . . ." wishful thinking Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:00 PM
stupid even by nessie standards gehrig Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:10 PM
If you hate people who happen to be Jews, solely because there he goes again Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:36 PM
yes or no, nessie gehrig Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:40 PM
blah, blah, blah there he goes again Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:45 PM
sorry dorks... Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 3:58 PM
"by so predictable Monday, May. 15, 2006 at 4:41 PM " debate coach Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 1:17 AM
No Tia Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 3:27 AM
nessie's word games gehrig Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 3:50 AM
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"by debate coach Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 4:17 AM " there they go again Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 6:46 AM
"Zionists *love* to sign their enemies' names to things..." heard it before Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 6:53 AM
How many atrocities by Ben Gurian and pals? Meyer London Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 7:56 AM
Did Lenni Brenner tell you they're still closed? autoblocked @Indybay Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 8:15 AM
"by heard it before Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 9:53 AM " there they go again Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 8:42 AM
WOW! How does a thread about Israeli nutjobs turn into discussing the "Arabs" Deflection Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 9:27 AM
Ben Gurian and fellow heroes Meyer London Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 9:30 AM
Golly gee... autoblocked @Indybay Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 12:59 PM
"the topic" in case anyone has forgotten Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 1:53 PM
In case anyone has forgotten heard it before Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 2:11 PM
"by heard it before Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 5:11 PM " there they go again Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 2:52 PM
"by there they go again Tuesday, May. 16, 2006 at 5:52 PM " heard it before Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 2:54 PM
People who do thing like this so predictable Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 6:00 PM
"People who do thing [sic] like this" so very predictable Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 6:11 PM
nut job methods of derailing prole Wednesday, May. 17, 2006 at 6:20 PM
Inverting reality must be awful lotta fun autoblocked @Indybay Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 1:14 AM
what a thoughtful argument gehrig Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 3:55 AM
Share some more with us autoblocked @Indybay Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 4:08 AM
I note the porn posted is always from an Anti-Zionist Becky Johnson Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 4:14 AM
"I note the porn posted is always from an Anti-Zionist" skeptic Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 4:31 AM
"for one reason and one reason only" exception Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 4:38 AM
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nut jobs Sheepdog Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 5:20 AM
"Sure was right" indeed Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 5:32 AM
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Think for a second or two... Becky Johnson Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 3:43 PM
Think for a second or two... Becky Johnson Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 3:44 PM
Project Mockingbecky Sheepdog Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 3:57 PM
speaking of which Sheepdog Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 4:02 PM
Fundamentally dishonest people by way of deception Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 9:10 PM
Palinazi: "Like anyone cares? autoblocked @Indybay Thursday, May. 18, 2006 at 10:16 PM
ask yourself why gehrig Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:21 AM
I don't believe the zionists, and stop foging my name! autoblocked@indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 4:03 AM
I've just forged 'autoblocked' Indybay editor Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 4:16 AM
It's hard to tell who's who! autoblocked@indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 4:21 AM
I've just forged 'autoblocked' Indybay editor Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 4:28 AM
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bunk logic typical Zionist trick Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 5:38 AM
any suggestions? Sheepdog Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 5:57 AM
Ja Wohl, Fuerer! autoblocked @Indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:01 AM
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To sheepdog autoblocked @indyaby Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:09 AM
your Final Solution- to autoliar@LA Sheepdog Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:12 AM
Even I don't take my own forgeries seriously... Indybay editor Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:13 AM
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That is a great paper! End U.S. welfare to Israel! Tia Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:17 AM
The jackboots still fit though. autoblocked @Indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:19 AM
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Israeli torture Critical Thinker Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 6:47 AM
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thank you, Critical Thinker. Sheepdog Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:00 AM
Only one listed Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:00 AM
Hey, wait! Does that mean the zionist forger has been forging all zionist posts? autoblocked@indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:02 AM
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Nice try on my part. Still not working! Indybay editor Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:10 AM
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I'm the raving lunatic Tia referred to Indybay editor Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:25 AM
Yo Sheepdung autoblocked @Indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:31 AM
That post wasn't "hidden by error" Stop foging my name! autoblocked@indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:42 AM
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Schtarker Yid Just read that link, good one! Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 7:50 AM
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The reason I don't use pseudonyms Becky Johnson Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 2:50 PM
Well thanks! autoblocked @Indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:07 PM
live and learn throw the racists out Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:11 PM
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slight correction gehrig Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:30 PM
Behold a DEAD SITE!! Becky Johnson Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:38 PM
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Palinazi stupidity autoblocked @Indybay Friday, May. 19, 2006 at 3:51 PM
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"Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are" heard it before Saturday, May. 20, 2006 at 2:04 AM
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Looks like the insane anti-zionists like me already trashed it Indybay editor Saturday, May. 20, 2006 at 3:58 AM
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