SOS, Minutemen and other racist groups will be demonstrating in downtown L.A on May 21th. The main organizer is Ted Hayes. The progressive community should counter demonstrate that day. Please get the word out..

*lease link it into this thread

The primary group taking this on needs to be the African American Community.

We have to also ask ourselves what the MM / SOS and Hayes are up to.

Might as well call a Klan demo in South Central as this. I think they want to provoke violence to prove that Blacks and Browns are both "savage" peoples who must be "controlled."

We need to be VERY conscious about how we approach this and in what we do about it.

This really does smell like a set up of some kind. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Ted, who's been recruiting gang members to work with him, didn't actually start violence himself EXACTLY LIKE HE DID IN LEIMERT PARK.

Soul food wrote:
"Mexicans brutalize black kids at school and black people in their neighborhoods. it is time blacks resisted the mexican invasion"

Shift the blame of the atrocities committed against African-Americans from Whitey to Beaners.

Nice try, Bubba, but this ain’t the MinutemenSOS you are talking to, but the African-American community, which is many degrees wiser and intelligent than those racist poohbutts.

Racism is the oldest card in the ruler's deck of lies.
We are all one People.
We belong to this earth.

The following is a personal observation about the state of affairs regarding "immigrants" and the debate surrounding them. If you are easily offended, don't read this. Now holy grails here, everything is put on the table. From observations at the West Sac protest;

Just wondering if anyone at the West Sac protest noticed the Minutemen/SOS goons huddled together on the sidewalk. Their signs were pro-Bush and anti-immigrant, draped in red, white & blue jingoism they shouted insults at anyone who was nearby and held any pro-immigrant sign (or anything written en Espanol). Then when the people they were shouting at attempted to engage in some discussion and provide facts about how globalization and corporate colonialism were the driving force behind undocumented immigrants coming north, the Minutemen called for the police to remove the person who challenged their right-wing dogma myths..

The police themselves are often racist in action, ignoring the verbal (sometimes physical) threats, antagonisms made by the US flag waving Minutemen and instead harrassing Mexican protesters..

Dialogue with the Minutemen protesters seems impossible, like there is not any logic operating with their spewing of venom. To discuss the reasons for massive undocumented immigrants requires an in depth analysis of US imperialism and global economic inequality. The Minutemen deftly avoid this by focusing on their "band-aid" border wall as a solution. Of course the Minutemen attempt to hijack symbols like the "Don't Tread on ME" snake flag to represent their cause. Fighting British imperialism is what that revolutionary snake flag represents, and should be flying in protest in front of the White House daily to show the Bush regime that imperialism is not what the US stands for. Using the snake flag to scapegoat immigrants is cowardly and insulting to true patriots who challenge imperialism at it's source (Bush regime corporatocracy), not at imperialism's many symptoms (poverty induced immigration)..

The heirarchy for the Minutemen seems to be tied into some CIA/FBI type of a militia front group. Feds have also worked with leadership elements in neo-nazi skinhead movements when it suits them. In fact, it may be to the feds advantage to have working class people divided and fighting over ethnicity, complexion and language differences. The Minutemen/SOS and other hate groups recruit working class Euro-americans who may have legitimate class based reasons for anger yet are misdirecting their anger at other working class (Mexican) immigrants at the "border" instead of the billionaire oily corporatists who currently infest the White House. This is evident because the Minutemen/SOS "mouthpieces" at protests are unwilling to engage in any real dialogue about the causes of undocumented immigration, instead engage in name calling, insults and shouting matches. They act like agent provacatuers..

In the absence of any real dialogue we get the Tweedledee-dummer polarized discussion of Republican (Minutemen/SOS) pundits saying "Send the Mexicans back! Militarize the border! Scapegoat, arrest and punish the Mexicans immigrants!"

& the Democrats (knee-jerk neo-liberals) saying "Let them ALL come over! We welcome ALL immigrants! Big hugs and sugar candy kisses for ALL immigrants! Immigrants (especially Mexicans) WORK really hard in the farm plantations!"

Both sides need one another (like the religious right needs pornographers), the Republicans immigrant phobias are put in check by the Democrats immigrant philia or else there'ld be nobody around to slave away in the agribusiness plantations of CA central valley and elsewhere. Developers putting up their mega mansions throughout CA are always happy to have some extra hard working undocumented immigrant to hammer nails all day on a hot sunny roof, no questions asked..

The "leftist" or should we say Democrat's left arm, the UFW, insists that large agribusiness plantations are the way to go, and pesticides need to be regulated (or workers made to wear masks) but never outlawed. Mention zero tolerance for pesticide at any UFW meeting and you'll likely be laughed right out of the room. Smaller permaculture farms are a threat to the organization of this mammoth farm workers union, they need large plantations with many workers to be able to unionize..

Sort of like the PRI union for the maquiladora workers, let the patriarchs handle labor negotiations, never let the workers organize amongst themselves. We still haven't questioned why we need all that chemical junk made at maquiladoras anyway. We all want our fancy new car stereos, don't we now. What were the mostly indigenous (Seri, Cucopa, Zapotec, etc..) Mexican women doing for thousands of years in meso-america before the Euro-american corporations gave them a reason to live by providing them with JOBS in maquiladoras? Wasn't gathering native food plants and making artwork (baskets, ironwood carvings, boats) from local plants reason enough to live and thrive? Or did somebody need to capitalize on people's time, land and efforts?

Now the Sonoran state police use physical threat in attempts to separate the Seri from their homeland. Should the Seri also migrate to el norte and work in the agribusiness plantations of CA??

"Members of the Seri indigenous community who inhabit northwestern coastal Sonora accuse the state and federal governments of attempting to take their land for tourist development. Ernesto Molina Villalobos, a resident of the traditional Seri village of Punta Chueca, denounced a raid conducted by the Sonora State Judicial Police and Federal Agency of Investigations last month in which 40 masked officers allegedly fired at buildings occupied by children and pulled a pistol on a woman. Molina charged that the raid was part of a pressure campaign to force the Seri off their lands and clear the way for hotel and tourist construction as part of the Nautical Stairway tourist mega-project.

“We have struggled for years to not lose our history and territory, but now the government has violated the sovereignty of our community,” said Molina. "

Direct quote from Sonoran Governor Eduardo Bours;

“I am worried about the backwardness of the Seris. They have a great opportunity to modernize as they inhabit one of the richest zones in the state for tourist development and aquaculture.”


article @;
http://www.nmsu.edu/~frontera/Mexicalinews.html

Why doesn't the UFW help defend the community campesino farm in LA under attack by real estate developer Ralph Horowitz? Maybe the UFW doesn't view community farms as worth their time, or are the campesino tenant farmers/shareholders a bit more difficult to push around than the average union stiff? Without the Euro-american derived myth of private property ownership, couldn't the campesino farmers become their own organizers?

Yet neither side wants to discuss why economic conditions in Mexico (and elsewhere) are so difficult that people are uprooted from their homes and forced into treacherous physical conditions to migrate across an imaginary border to a different "nation" where the economy is better. So the uprooted Mexicans end up on some field filled with iceberg lettuce in the Imperial Valley of CA breathing more than their recommended share of pesticides/herbicides/etc... all because they are economically disadvantaged. Cancer and sickness from pesticide exposure wins them a free trip back to Mexico..

Neither the Republican Minutemen nor the Democrat neo-liberals want to take on the corporate plantation style agribusiness that subjects undocumented workers to physically unsafe conditions from chemical pesticide exposure. The discussion of immigrants and economic inequality from imperialist globalization needs to be taken away from both the Republicans and the Democrats if people ever want to come to any agreements..

Meanwhile in southern Mexico the Zapatistas are struggling to save their village homes and farmlands from another globalization pacted Mexican government dam flooding them out, and we wonder why so many people from South America are uprooted and forced off their lands??

When the Zapatistas non-violently organize a resistance movement in their self defense, they are attacked by the combined forces of the right (imperialist lapdog Vicente Fox) and the left (neo-liberal corporatists)..

"There weren’t very many of them, but the mayor says on the radio, “I asked for the support of the state police force.” The people back in Atenco find out that their compañeros have been surrounded and they start to blockade roads, so their compañeros can go free.

All of this happens with a PRD mayor, who is supposedly leftist, democratic, and the country’s salvation. The police arrive to remove them, and they keep pushing, all the way into the town, and the people there react, they fight and drive them back. Next comes the fear campaign. “Get rid of them, how could this chaos be happening.” And that’s when the police come in with extreme brutality, and the spin becomes that it’s the people’s fault, and who knows what else."

http://www.narconews.com/Issue41/article1794.html

Mexicans to straighten out Mexico-
that would be mighty nice when and if the corporate thugs didn't * control * these governments.
Multinational assholes.
read
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man' (ISBN: 1576753018),
by John Perkins

Gathering/pep at 11am Sunday, May 21st (corner of Olympic & Broadway)
-March begins sharply at noon!
-March from noon until 2pm from corner of Olympic/Broadway to City Hall
-2pm at City Hall - speakers/rally

Ted Hayes is the almighty GOD.

RE"CAREFUL
by Watchale Thursday, May. 11, 2006 at 10:22 PM
The primary group taking this on needs to be the African American Community. "

Agreed, BUT if there is not a large turnout by the A.A.C. (if I may be permitted a neo-abbreviation), should that stop others. In particular, could not PROGRESSIVE white students and others take a proactive stance against Ted Hayes - perhaps more strategically shrewd than allowing a confrontation between Hayes and Chicano-Mexicano-MesoAmerican folks?

Worst case scenario, if Hayes starts trouble and the media picks it up, it will be visibility of white kids supporting Nahuatl brothers and sisters. And NOT being liberal guilt trip intimidated by Ted Hayes.

What would be so bad about that?

But yes, insofar as you may mean to not allow him to trigger confrontation between black and brown, agreed, we should avoid letting him provoke that. If due to turnout demographics we find that a large contingent of Latino comrades are forced to take some form of leadership, VIDEO TAPE EVERYTHING from all angles and try to bring GOOD MICROPHONES and CAREFUL, QUALITY AUDIO so we can pick up fighting words, hate speech and other remarks which we can use in court.

Comments? I may be totally missing some aspect, but I think your point applies primarily to avoidance of direct conflict between los amigos y Ted Hayes clones.

Again, I may be totally wrong...

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FOCUS WROTE: the Minutemen attempt to hijack symbols like the "Don't Tread on ME" snake flag to represent their cause. Fighting British imperialism is what that revolutionary snake flag represents, and should be flying in protest in front of the White House daily to show the Bush regime that imperialism is not what the US stands for.

me: Interesting. Maybe we should recapture that flag for our own, in some way. Anyone reading this might think of something the next time they prep for a rally.
I think it would be excellent if we could racapture that flag for progressives, it is actually a cool flag. Maybe we could just use it as is with a sign that says
"don't tread on US"

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10546

Excerpt from Hayes SOS thread

HAYES WORKING WITH THE COPS - BUSINESS CARDS EXCHANGED -

We were all eating dinner and this fine officer came over to thank Ted. We chatted with him for a bit and this officer is also a minutemen! We all exchanged cards. It was one of the moments

Theres about five threads over there about Sunday's march. They are all too hyped up for their own good.

Note to idiot: Put down the Fox news and learn to think for yourself, fuck wad.

The group Boners Without Borders was there also. They are SOOOOO COOL!! Anyone can join them but you have to have a boner to march.