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Those communists with ANSWER must have hated seeing those American flags.

I think most of them have few problems with the flags.

I suspect some of them carry a flag in their pocket, imprinted on their VA card.

Flaggery, my hope is that you really are that naive.

Hmm I wonder of Advocate will be there to counter protest. He was at Mira Loma.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/152671_comment.php#152861

I love it when Communists try and pretend they are patriots. It's like watching a child deny he ate the chocolate even though his face is covered in it.

it is funny when the minuteman/save our state denies the affilation with neonazi, but the evidence shows the minuteman/sos were the ones who called neonazi out to supports them.

So... you admit you're a communist. Your parents must be very proud.

Communists or not, SOS still interacted with Nazi types. Advocate rallied with them on 3/31/06 in Mira Loma. I was told by a former SOS member that Joe invited the Nazis. I know I keep saying that one over and over again. But I'm willing to speak out because people need to know. The sooner there's an eventual nationwide DENOUNCEMENT of the Minutemen and their affiliated groups, the better. Then we can get more reasonable and sensible people with better and more humane solutions. Hopefully solutions that protect human life and dignity. I'm sure it will require thinking outside the box so let's get progressive.

if you use that kind of logic? you are a neonazi or sympathizer. who do u look up to hitler?

Who are you addressing Chivo, me or tommy?

Looks like tommy is the lucky winner. Not sure who tommy is. Some forum troll I guess. It's like saying I want to turn this place into Aztlan just because I don't agree with protesting day labor like SOS and MM do.

I'm offended that you called me a neonazi. I'm not. As per Leftist rules, I will now accuse you of being a rabid racist.

Hitler was a barbaric savage, just like Che Guevara. The world is better off without them.

Now that we're all done playing the name game and the 'change the subject' game, I'll refer you back to my original statement... Communists are humorous when they feign patriotism.

Now, if you have a problem with my statement, TFB.

do u know what communist means?

International ANSWER is a front group for the WWP, an openly communist group.

El Chivo is a big fan of ANSWER.

El Chivo is a communist.

......no...by his brutal executions of political opponents of 'la revolucion' in the days after Castro took power in Havana....virtually all were summary executions...a bullet to the head...and Guevara took undisguised satisfaction in performing the executions himself

nobody can give me a definition of what is commmunist? i am hoping tommy or pants person can give me there definition.

To you mean a communist as in an activist who is promoting the idea of communist aspects in our society, or a communist as in someone from another country who actually conducted communist policy in a government role?

Albert Einstien, Mark Twain, Jack London, John Lennon, believed in a commmunist system.

Link of "Why Socialism?" by Albert Einstien

I want tommy or pants answer my question.

Albert Einstein wasn't a communist. He was a socialist. There's a difference. Furthermore, mentioning his name is a simple appeal to authority, which is a very basic logical fallacy that any critical thinking class would have taught you. Just because he was a great physicist doesn't mean he was a great social thinker.

Any movement that rigidly adheres to the basic principles of Marxism (and its subsequent derivatives) can rationally be called Communist. Communism, though there have been variations on the theme, is typified by the denial of private property, state ownership of the means of production and state control of all media and education. In nearly every case in history Communism has also been typified by totalitarian rule over those living under it. There, now you've had it explained to you. Feel better?

ANSWER is a known front group for the World Workers Party, a known Stalist group. That places ANSWER firmly in the Communist camp.

Its sad that simple things like this must be explained to you, El Chivo. But I don't expect you to burn your Che shirts. In fact I don't expect you to learn anything from this.

Have fun playing 'Mr. Revolutionary" and I'll see you after you're all done feeling 'oppressed' by capitalism.

Marx saw socialism (that is, the "dictatorship of proletariat") as a transitional phase, ultimately to be replaced by a classless communist society in which the existing forms of government would no longer be needed. According to Engels, the state was destined to eventually "wither away", as the representative democracy of socialism slowly turned into the direct democracy of communism, and economic life would be re-organised on a basis of freedom and equality. In holding this classless non-state as the ultimate goal, Marx expressed a long-term ideal not far from that of anarchism. However, whereas the anarchists wanted to abolish the state overnight, the communists wanted to utilize the state to transform society, expecting it to "wither away" to the extent that the nature of man evolved to the "new socialist man." In other words, while anarchists try to abolish the state more directly through an anti-statist, anti-capitalist revolution directly against both capitalism and the state at the same time, Marxists believe that a new state can be un-capitalist and that its destruction of the bourgeoisie will also destroy the self same state.

You had to go to Wikipedia to figure out that Socialism is Communism on training wheels?

Che would be disappointed.... angry even. Hell, knowing Che, he'd likely put a bullet in your head for being a lousy communist.

did i say i am this and that. you are putting words in my mouth. i do not appreciate that.

I never said I was a neonazi or a nazi sympathizer, yet that is exactly what you called me.

See, El Chivo, this little game is very easy to play.

Do you deny that you are a Socialist?

I think Chivo said you'd be a nazi according to your logic thrown back at you.

Now, El Chivo, perhaps you'll describe for the class (in your own words please) the existing country where the utopian classless communist fantasy is reality?

Tick Tick Tick.... we'll wait.

.....the "Peoples" "Democratic" "Republic" of North Korea is a perfect 'workers paradise'....they have a "Glorious Le ader' who is a "Hero of the Revolution" and everybody else in the country has the same equal classless opportunity to either eat leaves and grass or starve to death......what could be fairer?

My original satement was: "I love it when Communists try and pretend they are patriots. It's like watching a child deny he ate the chocolate even though his face is covered in it."

Put simply, that doesn't make me a neonazi or a nazi sympathizer, and to suggest that it does is intellectually dishonest. Nor am I a minuteman.

You guys LOVE to throw out the neonazi charge because for you it settles the issue. It's nothing but a lazy escape route for you. More to the point, El Chivo's retort to my original comment is a non-sequitor. It doesn't address my comment in any way whatsoever.

All of that said, thanks for working overtime trying to turn the United States into a third world country.

I didn't call you a Nazi. El Chivo didn't even call you a Nazi plain and simple. I think he was saying that going by your logic, then hey we can say you're a Nazi. I didn't comprehend what he said as saying you're a full on Nazi.

>>>>>>>>So... you admit you're a communist. Your parents must be very proud.

then what is this statement tommy?

You post a comment that says:

"Albert Einstien, Mark Twain, Jack London, John Lennon, believed in a commmunist system. "

...and then a subsequent link to an article written by Einstein defending Socialism.

And now you ask why I said you were a Communist?

You're making this too easy El Chivo.

i said that after you called me a communist.
there are different kinds of communist and socialist like there are different kind of capitalist. there are leninist, maoist, stalinist, cheist, trotskyist, gandhian socialist, etc... get the point tommy

You bet I get the point!

So... which type of Communist are you? I figure you for a low grade Cheist (ethnic identity and such).

I'll ask you again... Are you a Socialist? Yes or no?

why do want to know? i do not know why u pin me with che. i havent read to much about him. also, i could be an anarchist, libertarian, or a ecosocialist. how about u tommy? if you pin me up with che can i call you a hilter lover?

See, Cheevo... that's the difference between you and me...

You actually like Socialism, whereas I do not like Hitler or Nazism in any form.

I've already told you that before, but you apparently have a reading comprehension problem since my telling you this in clear terms before didn't prevent you from making the accusation yet again.

You have yet to deny that you are a Socialist. I therefore can only conclude that you are a Socialist.

Are you afraid to admit it? Sounds to me like you are.

I am afraid u are going to report me to j edgar hoover. you are already making the assumption that i am a socialist or a communist. are r afraid to tell me your political stance? i remember asking u from my last statement. hmmmm.

Man, you're making this too easy.

I am an Independent, a free market Capitalist and a Constitutional Originalist. There, now you know. Feel better?

Your turn... Are you a Socialist? YES OR NO?

Looks like El Chivo has finally admitted... not that he's a Socialist, but that he's afraid to tell anyone else that he's a Socialist.

Political Cowardice 101.

capitalist looking for cheap labor which exploit the land and people who travel to america for a better life. capitalism at it's best. rghit tommy?

Cheevo says: "capitalist looking for cheap labor which exploit the land and people who travel to america for a better life. capitalism at it's best. rghit tommy?"

First, this is a complete non-sequitor... it doesn't follow from anything I've said or asked previously. It's non sensical. It's also an incomplete sentence.

Second, its a ridiculously shallow and juvenile generalisation and stereotype of 'capitalists'. It's straight out of a Guardian comic.

Third, you still haven't answered my question, Cheevo... For the THIRD TIME... are you a Socialist? YES or NO?

well i do not want to put a label on me. i could say this i read alot of karl marx's lit. havent read das kapital yet.

"i do not want to put a label on me. "

Oh... you mean the way you labelled me a 'neonazi'?

Face it Cheevo... you're a Socialist to your core. You want Communism. Just confess.

But here's the good news for you... you can have your socialist wet dream TODAY! That's right, Cheevo... I highly recommend either Cuba or North Korea (where you'll find a purer strain of Marxism.) We'll even pass the hat around and pay for your one way flight to the communist paradise of your choice.

Go for it, Cheevo!

you have it wrong those country u mentioned is not marxist. i doubt it there were any country.

Man... you really are dense.

Cuba and North Korea aren't Marxist? Here's a news flash for you, Cheevo... Without Marx Cuba and North Korea wouldn't be what they are today.

I think I'm all done with you. This is like beating up on a defenseless kid.

Don't you have some sort of art project to complete by Monday?