A short clip from the interview is available here and a high quality full version of the segment is available at http://www.ocorganizer.com/html/minutenazis.html

The entire segment is being divided up into more easilly downloadable shorter segments that will be available on the www.ocorganizer.com website as well as here on Indy as they are developed.

John Earl

Cliff May was interviewed by John Earl of the Orange County Organizer (www.ocorganizer.com) on Feb 17 at the Laguna Beach Day Labor Center.

and dont tell me that donnie didnt invite the neonazi to several of the rallies prior to the laguna beach. you, SOS, and the minuteman dont want to admit it. The neonazi were there at victorville, baldwin park, and several places. donnie invite still at the neonazi website.

Nice try "me". I never invited Nazis anywhere. But Debbie Sattler did tell me about SOS and the Nazis on Sept. 24th 2005 at Gilchrist headquarters, later in the day after the Laguna rally. Basically that Joe Turner invited Nazis.

The person I brought to Laguna beach on July 30th 2005 is someone I met at a Megadeth concert earlier that year in Anaheim. He was into the German stuff but specifcally said he's not a racist. And I had experience in local Nazism or whatever they call it. We went to Laguna Beach on July 30th and I already stated my case on that day. After the SOS/Nazi rally, me, my friend, Megan, Maceik, and Vince went to some bar to drink. I had a soda. I didn't invite the two Stormfronters, Vince did saying he wanted to buy them a drink and "you guys can do what you want" refering to the Nazis in the rally.

This was the first time I had to been in all this so I didn't know WTF to do. As soon as I hit the internet and communicated, I confirmed that the Nazis of today are still the same as ever. Meaning, don't deal with them. That much was clear to me.

I meant to say, I had NO experience in dealing with local OC Nazis or whatever and didn't know what they were exactly about at the time.

Because we technically did hang out with Maceik that day, he was willing to chat. Once chat got loose on the internet by error by Jim Chase. There are two more which aren't released. But they say it all. That Gilchrist knew they were from Stormfront.

John Earl refers to the two as Neo-Nazis. I suppose that is a general term refering to all white racist/racialist types and I understand. The two are self described white nationalists on Stormfront and so that's what I personally refer them as. Obviously that doesn't make it any better and someone who claims to not be a racist but works with white nationalists is a hypocrite all the same.

I'm in freaking Sacramento and I'm in a hurry here. I meant to say I had no experience in Nazism as in dealing with it at the time of July 30th 2005. I had a friend who apparently dabbled in that stuff for a bit, but make efforts in making friends with people of other races, myself included. First person I ever came across even remotely involved in that stuff. As far as I could tell, he had some friends who were pressuring him into that Nazi stuff but he didn't really want to be in it. He told me shortly before July 30th that some skinhead types may be there and that he was expected to stand with him, or fear consequences. I'm not sure what situation he is in now, but I hope he's doing alright. As for the two from Stormfront who were in the Gilchrist campaign, as I said one stated he wants to put all this behind him and maybe he'll change eventually. What more can I do?

Cliff is alos a friend of the NAZIS
by me Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 11:07 AM

Dear "me"

Yes, I give Cliff May credibility, certainly much more so than Jim Gilchrist who regularly lies and exaggerates and much more than people who can't spell "also."

Duane Roberts has followed the Neo-Nazi connections of SOS and Minutemen in detail. Here is what he said about Cliff's claims (below). Anyway, let's just ask Mr. Gilchrist (JC to you, no doubt), to open up all his campaign staffing records.

http://www.ocorganizer.com/html/minutenazis.html

Duane Roberts is a member of the Colectivo Tonantzin and Social Affairs Director of the Unitarian Church in Anaheim. He is also a frequent contributor to www.la.indymedia.org. Roberts has researched Neo-Nazi ties to the Save Our State (SOS) nativist group. His reaction is quoted below:

I'm of the opinion that Cliff May is telling the truth
when he claims that several local neo-Nazis ended up
doing volunteer work for Minuteman founder Jim
Gilchrist's campaign for the 48th Congressional
District.

Shortly after Gilchrist announced his candidacy, a
flurry of cryptic messages started popping up on the
Stormfront White Nationalist Community website
suggesting that he was getting some kind of support
from them.

The people Cliff identifies not only posted messages on that website, but were photographed at rallies organized by "Save Our State" supporters standing near persons who later ended up working on Gilchrist's campaign themselves.

In fact, this matter appears to be an open secret
among some Gilchrist supporters. One Minuteman I spoke
with earlier this year didn't deny any of the claims
that Cliff made; he just praised him for doing a good
job weeding out people.

That's pretty telling. Look at the racists try to divert attention away from the facts and subject of the article and try to point the finger at the individual who exposed the facts and subject of the article.

"I know you are but what am I?" Childish.

Did anyone who read the comment suddenly forget that known Nazis are intimately integrated with the whole SOSMM hate cult?

My opinions only and only my opinions.

One of the things I'm trying to do is get Gilchrist to explain the Stormfront persons in his campaign. His staff wanted to hide it like nothing happened. Like it was a mistake. But from what I've seen and heard(like Deborah-Courtney telling us FOUR white nationalists were invited in the offices) I'm not convinced it was all a mistake or an "infiltration." If Gilchrist wants to convince me and the public that he's clean, he needs to explain it all. So far he hasn't. Instead he has called me a "kook"(hey I guess that makes me one "k" short of being affiliated wih him anymore!), human debris, and awarded me a phony Benedict Arnold award. He needs to explain the two white nationalists in the campaign. Infact Eldon, his grassroots manager, needs to explain the FOUR white nationalists including the mentioned two. According to Deborah-Courtney, he let them in the offices KNOWING they were white nationalists. Like i said, if Gilchrist is gonna run for office in my country, this will be a factor.

On July 30, 2005, while I was at the "Save Our
State" protest at the day labor center in
Laguna Beach, I suddenly found myself standing
next to Don Silva.

Because I was near him, I decided to ask Silva
why he was communicating with neo-Nazis from the
Stormfront White Nationalist Community website.
He vehemently denied that he had any ties or
relationships with them.

But a couple of minutes later, "Advocate," a
white supremacist attorney from Rolling Hills,
walks right up to Silva and starts chatting with
him like he was an old school chum. "I'll catch
you later," were his last words.

Then before the protest ended, "Baldy," a well-
known neo-Nazi, comes to Silva, shakes his hand,
and praises him for being a wonderful guy. This
occurred, incidently, after "Baldy" and his friends
waved their Nazi and Confederate flags!

I thought this was hilarious because while
Silva was trying to deny he had any relationship
with anybody from Stormfront, "Advocate"
and "Baldy," frequent posters to that website,
kept coming up to him at the demo!

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com

P.S. It was also at that same demo that I
photographed Joe Turner hanging out
with "Baldy." A remarkable coincidence
since the latter was known by everybody at SOS
as being a neo-Nazi:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/133868.php

Maybe we should ask Turner's boss, Republican
State Assemblyman Ray Haynes, if he agrees
with his employee's prior flirtation with
avowed neo-Nazis?

don't give ANY personal info to "WATCH OUT" unless you want it in the hands of neo-Nazis

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/07/img_0148.jpgmid.jpg

WATCHIT WATCHOUT writes on Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 1:58 PM:

> don't give ANY personal info to
> "WATCH OUT" unless you want it in the
> hands of neo-Nazis
>
> http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/07/img_0148.jpgmid.jpg

Although I doubt Cliff May is a "Nazi Collaborator,"
a "government agent," or something else, if it were to be determined
later that he has acted in this capacity, I certainly
wouldn't loose a night of sleep over it. I haven't given him
any personal or sensitive data.

I fully stand by the statement I made to John Earl
about this matter. Other evidence exists backing May's claims,
so it's not like he's the only one bringing this issue
to the forefront.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com


http://www.ocorganizer.com/html/minutenazis.html

BEGINNING OF STATEMENT

"I'm of the opinion that Cliff May is telling the
truth when he claims that several local neo-Nazis
ended up doing volunteer work for Minuteman founder
Jim Gilchrist's campaign for the 48th Congressional
District.

"Shortly after Gilchrist announced his candidacy, a
flurry of cryptic messages started popping up on the
Stormfront White Nationalist Community website
suggesting that he was getting some kind of support
from them.

"The people Cliff identifies not only posted messages
on that website, but were photographed at rallies
organized by "Save Our State" supporters standing
near persons who later ended up working on
Gilchrist's campaign themselves.

"In fact, this matter appears to be an open secret
among some Gilchrist supporters. One Minuteman I spoke
with earlier this year didn't deny any of the claims
that Cliff made; he just praised him for doing a good
job weeding out people.

[End statement]

Like I said before, July 30th 2005 in Laguna Beach was when I was first thrown into all this. Rather, I threw myself into all this. I spoke with Baldy for a bit and didn't even know he was some guy named "Baldy" from Stormfront until I found out on the internet. Infact it was thanks to Indymedia LA that I learned of this.

That photo of me is with me and a female who I later spoke to on the internet. I told her about what I saw in the campaign and she was disappointed. I doubt she's a Nazi-type. And that guy in the photo is the friend I always referred to. The one who as far as I can tell was being pressured by the serious Nazi-types at the rally. As for my friend, he may be confused, he has displayed favorable opinions towards things like the National Alliance/Vanguard, but race wasn't an issue when he was making friends. Otherwise he wouldn't be hanging out with me. So I figured okay, I'll stay friends with him for his sake.

Remember, he was fearing consequences if he didn't hang with the Nazis at Laguna. He also advised me at first to show up separately from him. I didn't know what to think about that, but we just showed up together anyways with some other guy we came across on the way there.

Which brings the point of me knowing there many be Nazis there going into the rally. But I didn't know they were involved with SOS in any way. I thought they were gonna do their own thing, like Anarchists do at ANSWER marches. And I thought that for a while. When Debbie told me the stuff about SOS, Joe, and the Nazis on Sept 24th '05, I even thought maybe, oh maybe SOS can be redemed. Maybe by a name change. She and I even agreed. But no, not after all this and all these clues. No proof that that can happen. Too late. Forget SOS, forget the Minuteman name, it's all tainted. CCIR too. And anything Jim Gilchrist does relating to this issue, especially as a member of the American Independent Party, even if he passes himself off as a Republican. Like I said before, let them all step aside, all the Minuteman stuff and everything, and let others step in with more sensible solutions. Infact Howard Dean called for the denouncement of the Minutemen and I may offer my infomation, little as it may be, to him and affiliated Democrats as further reasons for the denouncement of the Minutemen and Jim Gilchrist.

I am not going to get in a discussion about this with any of you, but just wanted to drop a few tidbits since it is clear that the hypocrisy is as thick as usual around here.

It is status quo for the far left to accuse others of what they are in fact always themselves guilty of. This certainly occurs with many of you, as you stand next to racial supremisists all day long, and then point fingers.

Does the motto, " for the race,everything. for those outside of the race, nothing " mean anything to you ? These are the kind of people that you all talk to at rallies....in fact, at every rally. We rid ourselves of our new found fans, and a year later, you all are still chatting about it as if it matters, all the while still you are in full co-operation with racists yourselves ! This is why it is so hard for us to take any of you serious.

If Baldy (Robert) comes up to me and is nice or friendly, I treat him like everyone else that does the same. I would do so with most of you also. So what of it ? Excuse me for just being human.

As usual, you are all being silly. I could overlook that easily, but the hypocrisy is a different matter.

Duane is someone that I could actually talk to, because he is not a real hater.

Earl is a hater, and there is no talking to him.

Jesse Diaz is another violent hater, and needs to be arrested or something.

The day I met Cliff May, he had a W/N with him. He says much about that, but he gets a pass so long as he is on your side of the table.

Lefties get a pass on racism, bottom line.

The assertion that Mecha's ideological statement is equivalent to white nationalism is absurd.

Ours is a country that's trying to overcome its long history of white supremacy, to achieve the democratic ideals set out in the Declaration of Independence. The history, and power imbalances, result in different kinds of groups for each "race".

(Note: the concept of "raza' or "la raza cosmica", or "the race" is of a multiracial race, not a pure race like the one the white racists desire. The idea was discussed on this website.

(White supremacist or white separatist groups, are racially exclusive.)

The tendency for most groups like Mecha, despite what they may think at the time, is to cause its members to become more like the mainstream. If you look in mainstream politics, it's full of people who were involved in ethnic political student groups.

White supremacist groups, in contrast, are a self-marginalizing. They take people who might otherwise be in the mainstream, or enter the mainstream, and basically screw up their lives. They get people involved in supporting the neo-nazis who assault people.

"The day I met Cliff May, he had a W/N with him. He says much about that, but he gets a pass so long as he is on your side of the table. "

It may surprise you that my friend Mark is actually not from Stormfront and as far as I know, is not a white nationalist. He specifically told me that he's not a Nazi and never was. He just wears iron crosses and German flags on his backpack and may have dabbled in stuff like that.

"The day I met Cliff May, he had a W/N with him. He says much about that, but he gets a pass so long as he is on your side of the table."

It may surprise you that my friend at the time, Mark, is really not a WN from Stormfront. He also specifically told me that he's not a Nazi and never was. He even spoke to people about how how they should be proud of their race, no matter what race they are. He said that if he found out that he's really part some other race, he'd be okay and would want to learn more about it. Maybe he's like that around people who are other than white/caucasian. Or may be he really means it. But he's made efforts to stay friends with people of various races, myself included. We haven't hung out since, but when I tried to speak to him about this issue, he made it clear he didn't want to speak about it.

"The day I met Cliff May, he had a W/N with him. He says much about that, but he gets a pass so long as he is on your side of the table."

It may surprise you that my friend at the time, Mark, is really not a WN from Stormfront. He also specifically told me that he's not a Nazi and never was. He even spoke to people about how how they should be proud of their race, no matter what race they are. He said that if he found out that he's really part some other race, he'd be okay and would want to learn more about it. Maybe he's like that around people who are other than white/caucasian. Or may be he really means it. But he's made efforts to stay friends with people of various races, myself included. We haven't hung out since, but when I tried to speak to him about this issue, he made it clear he didn't want to speak about it.

Assuming that Mecha is racist (at least for your line of argument, though I am not asserting this). Assume for a minute that Mecha is racist. I am confused on how that makes it okay to organize a group racist against all non-whites. Mecha MAY comprise of 1% of the Hispanic population. Within the Mecha organization, virtually all of the members are here legally (it IS a college organization). Now you proclaim that you are against illegal immigration, which means the population you proclaim to target, does not have any ties to Mecha. Yet, you always go back to them. Further, with only one percent membership in Mecha, if the ARE racists, does not lead to any strong reasons that they way to fight them is by targeting all Hispanics in general.

Just think about what you continue to say. Turn it into a white thing. White people comprise of the Militia. These people want to abolish the federal government, and adhere to a strict constitutional system of government. Does that mean that all people who are pro-big government should go after all white people to stop the militia movement?

There are several radical Christian organizations out there that bomb abortion clinics. There is some regularity between them. They are white, they are Christian, and many of them work middle class jobs. Does this mean that I should form an organization to target and imprison all white middle class Christians?

So if you want to go after the organization of Mecha, then you need to completely change the goals of SOS. If you want to go after illegal immigration, you need to completely get off the anti-Mexican kick and focus on immigration instead of race.

This aside, attacking people by calling them baldy doesn't further your message or your cause. Fighting against the exposure of the Nazi's in your cause only helps confirm our notions of your complicity with racism, and a desire of some sort of "final solution". A proper response would be to start identifying any and all racists publicly to make sure everyone in YOUR group knows who they are, and knows not to let them use immigration to further their causes. Of course, I am still convinced that if you separated the racists from your organization (not just the Nazis, but anyone who uses, "those people" to refer to another race), you wouldn't have enough people left for your group.

Okay not sure how all those double posts of mine happened. Maybe it's this hotel computer I'm using here in Sacramento. But sorry bout that. Basically the guy I brought to Laguna is really not a WN from Stormfront, much to Don Silva's surprise.

It may surprise you that according to all his friends at SF and all the Nazis he is with, you are wrong. They know him, and claim he is a close friend and supporter of W/N. Further, so does HE! When they speak about racial pride, they are usually talking to non believers whom they see racism in (potential White Nationalists), and they are trying to win you over by convincing you that white nationalism is not racism. They then try to paint the white people as all pious victims at the hands of non Aryans (Jews, Afro-Americans, Immigration, etc.) If you spent a little less time here, and a little more time at SF reading his posts, you would realize how dumb that reply really is. Baldy is a Nazi.

Yes I have been speaking out in the way you suggest by identifying two WN's in the Gilchrist campaign. And I get kicked out by Mary Parker Lewis for my efforts. If I was really some Nazi collaborator who somehow brought Nazis to Laguna Beach, even though I have never been involved in them in my life, why would I be speaking out? To switch sides to get new friends? Out of boredom? Yeah right. I'm not registering as a Green voter and infact to illustrate this, I will never register as a Green or be a member of the Green Party. So there. I'm in support of environmentalism all the same. But just to prove my point, I will never ever be a member of the Green Party. I will communicate with them for the sake of knowledge, like I have. But I won't be a member.

And what I'm doing is not fun. What I'm doing is what I feel to be my duty. If Gilchrist tries to run for office again in district 48, then the voters of 48 need to know what I've seen. It needs to be a factor. It may feel safer for them to keep all this quiet, but it's time to step out of the comfort zone like I have and let everyone know what's going on regarding white supremacist/nationalist types being involved. There's no other way. So far, things are going according to plan, although Gilchrist still has not explained the two Stormfront WN's that I, along with Debbie and others, found out about. Nor has he explained those two and the other two that Eldon let in the offices according to Deborah Courtney. It's time for Gilchrist to stop throwing insults at me like a child and start explaining all this on his minutemanproject.com website, where instead there's a photo of Naui being detained by a police officer in Fullerton. Until then, I'm going communicate and make efforts at this, whether it's posting here where I'll get an audience from all sides to speaking on camera at ocorganizer.com or speaking with the Southern Poverty Law Center. My communication does not indicate a membership in any groups, whether it's the Green Party or whatever. So really, I'll even speak with Jesse Diaz or even Enrique Morones if need be. I get my word out by people who have the motivation to get this out, this questioning that Gilchrist has to answer. And they get someone who's been there in person giving his testimony. It's about communication and getting answers.

Like I said, I couldn't get the answers I needed as an American and a human being by myself. I was dicked around and kicked out. Go figure. This is the way.

"It may surprise you that according to all his friends at SF and all the Nazis he is with, you are wrong. They know him, and claim he is a close friend and supporter of W/N. Further, so does HE! When they speak about racial pride, they are usually talking to non believers whom they see racism in (potential White Nationalists), and they are trying to win you over by convincing you that white nationalism is not racism. They then try to paint the white people as all pious victims at the hands of non Aryans (Jews, Afro-Americans, Immigration, etc.) If you spent a little less time here, and a little more time at SF reading his posts, you would realize how dumb that reply really is. Baldy is a Nazi."

It was Mark i was speaking of, not Baldy. I spoke with Baldy at Laguna, but didn't bring him there. I later found out who this Baldy person is and what he's about. No question there and i saw his posts at SF.

If Mark really is from SF, then I'm wrong about him. But as far as i know, he's not a Nazi or WN. And I know that the National Alliance is racist.

I thought you were talking about Baldy, so I retract what I said. And, for the record, speaking out is the best thing to do when confronted with injustice.

No problem. I'm not sure if Baldy's real name is Mark. But the Mark I was speaking of is the one in the photograph with me, with the female between us. I should have been wiser about bringing him to the Laguna rally, even from his appearance alone. But I was thinking about numbers and threw myself into all this. And i do blame myself for bringing Mark into all this. He didn't ask for this attention. But he'll be alright and I'm sure he'll be a good person and he's found some work to support himself.

Dear Mr. Silva:

You stated "Earl is a hater, and there is no talking to him."

Your own hate is strongly evident in the videos that you make and publish on your websites. Those videos show a racist hatred and contempt---ACTED OUT---on camera, directed against people who are just looking for work.

In fact, many people, including Minuteman Project members, talk to me quite freely and I never deny the basic humanity of anyone, even you. That's the whole basis of organizing for progressive change: finding our common ground as human beings and acting upon it in a positive way, even if you disagree on everything else.

If you don't believe me, ask Vince Estrada to play the video interview that he did with me several weeks ago at Monahan's. Wonder why that hasn't been spread across the Internet? I guess he didn't hear what he excepted or wanted to hear, so best to just cover that up.

As a humanist, my "faith" is in the ability of human beings to make this world a better place by working together. There really isn't any other choice, is there?

But that doesn't mean sitting back and letting fascists like you have their way with the rest of us.

Sincerely,
John Earl

This is the same dopey story this mongrel has been telling for months on this site. Who gives a shit about his experiences with Gilchrist.? Enough is enough.

Well I finally had a chance to tell my case on video and John Earl posted here, and obviously I still had some replies to reply to. I really don't mean to drag on repeated information.

This hotel computer doesn't do video so I'll have to review the posted video when I get home. Afterwards, I may have more to add with my own video camera(best $400 I ever spent by the way) and USB equipment. But maybe you guys are kind of tired out from all this, I understand.

Come on Gilchrist, fess up.

Thanks Cliff for siding with the side of humanity .

Thank you too for your fight againist this new type of suttle racism .There is a few white people doing your kind of work !

Really.

If people can just link into Indymedia to promote their own websites, and not even have the graciousness to actually post the story here, then I cannot imagine why the editors don't understand the implied insult, and why they would post this kind of thing in the center column.

I read Indymedia for local matters of real import.

I don't need another link service.

I have posted a number of complete stories on Indymedia and will continue to do so. But organizing is about mutual work and benefit. The more people or groups organizing, the better. The more they link up, the better.

In solidarity
JE

the next thing to do is expose gilchirst all the local papers in organe county. start with the oc weekly people read that and then expose him on the daily paper i.e. oc register. start with an editorial page see if they pick it up. if it gets printed you did your job.

I tried and I can try again. I actually spoke with an OC Weekly guy in Lake Forest. But he said he needed batteries for his tape recorded, left, and I never saw him again. That was weird. I'd love to do that on the OC Weekly, OC Register, etc. I just state what I saw and know. I don't call Jim Gilchrist a racist or Nazi collaborator or whatever. Just state the facts I know and Jim Gilchrist is more than welcome to explain his case. If Jim wants to be some kind of American leader or hero or whatever and run for office, the people should know about this. Hey, if he's clean and it somehow really is a mistake and he somehow really didn't mean to have white nationalists in his campaign, great, he can explain. So far, he hasn't. I know, I know, it could be campaign strategy to ignore it and let it blow over. But the occasion has gone beyond that. Too late for that. Time for him to fess up. If he's clean and it was someone else's doing, he can explain. I mean come on, he can at least give us a filtered explanation. But he's got to acknowledge the SF WN's in his campaign, because I know for a fact that they were in his offices working.

If some KKK types or whatever endeared themselves to Gilchrist, and Gilchrist just thought "wow, scary KKK guys, omg, but what if i had them on my side?" and he was all friendly with them but regrets it, hey time to confess and maybe, just maybe he can be redemed. Probably not, but it's not like he has a choice. Things seem to point that way according to what Jim Chase spoke out on, and what he told me on the phone. He knows more than I do. Just ask Mary Lewis, she apparently tried to bribe Chase.

Come on Gilchrist, confess your sins. If you believe in the Lord, you've got to believe he's waiting.

I'm back at home now and viewed the entire 20 minute footage from ocorganizer.com. First thing I noticed and you'll probably notice is that it looks like I'm wearing a big mushroom on my head! Haha! Actually it was the sun glare or contrast or something on a light colored sun hat I was wearing. I'm just into sun hats I guess.

Anyways I'm very happy about this one. Every single participant of the Gilchrist campaign needs to view this whole video. Especially those involved in the situation that was being spoken about by me. And those who were in the campaign staff and the managers. And it would do every Minuteman out there to view this as well.

I did speak about how I feel about day labor workers, how I now wish to let them work while they're still here awaiting their fate(a fate to be decided by us I guess). I wanted to make it clear that my desire to let them work isn't because of the Stormfront people in the Gilchrist campaign. Or vice versa, the reason for speaking out isn't because of my wish to let the day labor workers work. They're separate things. Just to clear that up.

Like I said at the end, I don't know what the Stormfront persons are up to right now. The male wants to put it in the past. It sucks that they were involved in this in the first place. I'm sure it wasn't fun for them. And you guys here at Indymedia made things not so fun for them ;-). And this video may seem like it will stir things up for them again, but that doesn't have to be. It's Gilchrist who needs to fess up. It's him this is all about. As for the Stormfront couple, hopefully they can grow out of the Stormfront stuff and move on. And I hope they're not mad at me. I can't just say "Persons A, B, and C" anymore, otherwise it would all sound fake. I have to do this because Gilchrist is not being up front about this stuff. He has some explaining to do.

I stand by my choice of actions. Now it's Gilchrist's turn to talk.

You're a broken record with nothing to say and you keep replying to yourself. Shut up.

Hmm, not that nice for an Anarchist. If you are one.

I received this lovely email from Vince Estrada (unsigned):

What Interview John?
You never interviewed me nor would I grant you one.
You are a bottom scum sucking feeder who happens to be a loser!!!
Yes, I know Jim and I support him 100%!!!! I will be where he goes and support him.
You are worthless !!!

My reply:

Yeah, Vince, now that I know it's you I know what you
are referring to. As is always the case with you
Minutemen, you get words and facts all twisted
up...YOU interviewed ME! And then you stopped
interviewing me when you didn't get the answers you
wanted. Why don't you put that interview on the
Internet? Or are you too scared?

>>>>>>>>>Yes, I know Jim and I support him 100%!!!! I will be where he goes and support him.

Vince even suppot the neonazi being in the gilchrist campaign.

When I was trying to get answers and help the campaign keep Nazi-types out, assuming that's what they wanted, Vince actually defended me along with Debbie. It was in Laguna Beach when he said "you guys can do whatever you want" refering to Nazis in SOS protests, but that doesn't indicate direct involvement with them on his part. It may just be the attitude where if he saw the Nazis get in a scuffle with the counter protesters he despised, like Naui and others, he'd probably laugh and let the Nazis do whatever and get into trouble. Could be. He also helped me keep a watch on the skinhead guy in the Sacramento rally, observing him and his apparent mentor. So I actually had a little help there, that's about it. No one else confronted the skinhead, but instead he was able to pass out flyers and literature all he wanted.

Why are you still defending SOS/MM there are the neonazi colaborator? Are you working with SOS/MMp still Jammer?
Can you explain this picuture? three out of five people in this picture are in neo nazi organization. This picture was taken several months before the SOS's laguna beach protest of the day laborer. It was in Baldwin Park. in this picture, vince (was hiding in back of the umbrella) was laughing it up with neonazi. He knew the neonazi was in SOS before you have joined Jammer.

Different pic from above

On Saturday, Mar. 18, 2006 at 3:49 AM, Don
Silva wrote:

> I am not going to get in a discussion
> about this with any of you, but just
> wanted to drop a few tidbits since it
> is clear that the hypocrisy is as thick
> as usual around here.

> It is status quo for the far left to
> accuse others of what they are in
> fact always themselves guilty of. This
> certainly occurs with many of you,
> as you stand next to racial
> supremisists all day long, and then
> point fingers.

> Does the motto, " for the race,
> everything. for those outside of the race,
> nothing " mean anything to you ?
> These are the kind of people that you
> all talk to at rallies....in fact,
> at every rally. We rid ourselves
> of our new found fans, and a year
> later, you all are still chatting
> about it as if it matters, all
> the while still you are in full
> co-operation with racists yourselves!
> This is why it is so hard for us to
> take any of you serious.

Wikipedia defines racism as being "a system of oppression, as in institutional racism; a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and socially marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. With regard to this, 'racism' as a term is usefully applied only to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others."

When you eventually figure out what all of that means, you'll discover to your astonishment that neither I nor the people whom I hang out with can be classified as "racists." In fact, we aren't. Nobody that I'm acquainted with believes they are superior to anybody else; nor do they think it's right to "discriminate against and socially marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation." That cannot be said about some of the folks you mingle with, I'm afraid.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com

"Why are you still defending SOS/MM there are the neonazi colaborator? Are you working with SOS/MMp still Jammer?
Can you explain this picuture? three out of five people in this picture are in neo nazi organization. This picture was taken several months before the SOS's laguna beach protest of the day laborer. It was in Baldwin Park. in this picture, vince (was hiding in back of the umbrella) was laughing it up with neonazi. He knew the neonazi was in SOS before you have joined Jammer. "

I'm not defending SOS/MM. I'm just not gonna make stuff up. That's why I'm careful and don't call Jim Gilchrist a racist or anything like that because that would still be a premature conclusion.

I'm not working for or with SOS, MM, Gilchrist, or CCIR or anything affiliated in any way.

The photo you posted is one I've seen before but the event it's from is not one I've been to before. My first event and experience was the SOS protest in Laguna on July 30th, 2005. Actually I've seen the SOS site several times before. I remember thinking the attitude was rather strong and I'm not sure exactly why I decided to come to the Laguna protest afterall.

If Vince was in the Baldwin Park event laughing and stuff, I didn't know. I was just stating what I saw and experienced from what I knew. I met Vince for the very first time on July 30th 2005. Before that I've never heard of him.

WATCHOUT'S Nazi buddy Mark is 2nd from the right

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/07/sos_youth_brigade_in_laguna_beach.jpgmid.jpg

Yes that would be him. I already explained numerous times the he was under pressure to stand with the Nazis, fear consequences if he didn't. And he stated that he's not a Nazi. He spoke favorable about white nationalism, although according to the National Alliance criteria he doesn't actually qualify for membership. I haven't been in any contact with him for a long time.

>>>I already explained numerous times the he was under pressure to stand with the Nazis, fear consequences if he didn't.

so what's your excuse for standing with the Nazis???

I didn't stand with the Nazis in support with the Nazis. The closest I got was walking around the same general area they were in. I wasn't involved with their demonstration in any way.

I have recieved numerous attacks on Indymedia reply forums from people likely to be Minutemen or Gilchrist supporters trying to paint me as a Nazi collaborator. From now on, any questions about such an idea must be from someone who will identify him/herself for it to be answered.

...and 100% Nazi collaborator!!!
Anyone who does not see the swastika on his forehead does so at his own risk...

Hey, do not steal Jesse Jacksons thunder !

In other words DR, only whitey can be racist.

Not even your goon buddies accept that twist on reality.

Okay, so the at the next protest, when one of your buds shouts the usual racial charged whitey statements at me (even tho I am not white...love that) I can just dismiss this and tell him... 'its okay, I understand that you are just an oppressed man, its not racist to call me a white blankity blank.'.

!!!!!

Ray Charles could see thru that.

Don Silva on Wednesday, Mar. 22, 2006 at 9:33 PM:

> Hey, do not steal Jesse Jacksons
> thunder !
>
> In other words DR, only whitey can be racist.
>
> Not even your goon buddies accept that twist on reality.
>
> Okay, so the at the next protest, when one of your
> buds shouts the usual racial charged whitey statements at
> me (even tho I am not white...love that) I can just
> dismiss this and tell him... 'its okay, I understand
> that you are just an oppressed man, its not racist to
> call me a white blankity blank.'.
>
> !!!!!
>
> Ray Charles could see thru that.

I hate to disappoint you, but I don't recall ever posting anything
in the previous message which even remotely suggested that I supported
that position.

But I should have anticipated it coming from someone like yourself.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com

P.S. Care to post any evidence backing your assertion
I or the people I hang out with are racist?

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1